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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers EVEolution.
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Posted - 2016.06.13 08:37:26 -
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as much as i think the op is way off the mark,, lmao
cloaky afk camping has been a part of the game for a very very long time and isn't going away anytime soon.
but i will say this, it's a well used tactic with no direct counter to it. IE: you can't scan down or disrupt the cloak of the afk ship. i've said it before on these forums in threads like this, i love stealth ships, use them a lot myself, but always found it strange that there wasn't a counter module to the cloak and i've said i'd welcome one because it would only make things that bit more interesting and fun as far as i'm concerned.
but hey, afk cloaky campers are not going away and CCP will not react well to this thread hahahahahaha ah well,, some things in EVE forums just never go away,. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
16281
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Posted - 2016.06.13 08:37:38 -
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*chime*
The offices of Mr King-Griffin would like to thank you for your time.
Mr King-Griffin is currently AFK and unable to service your thread.
Your nerf AFK Cloaking thread is important to us
Please continue posting
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Raging Bull Unchained
Signal Lost
986
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Posted - 2016.06.13 08:38:52 -
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But removing local is no help at all for this "issue", because then you allways have to assume that there is an afk cloaker you don-Št know of because no local... |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
269
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Posted - 2016.06.13 08:44:38 -
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Dracvlad wrote:An AFK flag after an hour of no activity which gets removed with any interaction with the client, with policing of the client for any automated activity would be the way to deal with this. I have no problem with cloaky camping by active players, but it is impossible to bait into traps people who are asleep or at work. The focus is on intel gathering to assess risk, CCP please implement this so you no longer reward AFK play. You want a solution? Remove nullsec local. THAT is the only problem here.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
729
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Posted - 2016.06.13 08:47:29 -
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If instant local chat intel is making you sad, you can always go to the spooky space where there's never any AFK cloaky campers to upset you and make you afraid of cyno hotdrops.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1745
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Posted - 2016.06.13 08:54:27 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:Dracvlad wrote:An AFK flag after an hour of no activity which gets removed with any interaction with the client, with policing of the client for any automated activity would be the way to deal with this. I have no problem with cloaky camping by active players, but it is impossible to bait into traps people who are asleep or at work. The focus is on intel gathering to assess risk, CCP please implement this so you no longer reward AFK play. You want a solution? Remove nullsec local. THAT is the only problem here.
Go to WH space then.
If it was only local, there is so much free intel in this game its silly, look at all that stuff on Dotlan and on the Eve map, remove those too. In any case CCP will be doing something to local in terms of the observationary structures, you will be getting your wish sort of, because people will have something in space that you can attack to remove that functionality. which is great.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2588
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Posted - 2016.06.13 08:56:55 -
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Such space-lawyering
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1729
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Posted - 2016.06.13 09:37:43 -
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OP delivers with quite a lot of 'pssshhhhhh'. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.13 09:51:30 -
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Paikis wrote:This thread comes up on almost a weekly basis. In fact, I'd be surprised if there wasn't a nerf cloaking thread in the first 2 pages on this forum section. Almost every single one of them goes like this:
1. OP posts a post with a new (lol) idea that always boils down to some variation of the following: - "There's a big meanie who is sitting in my system and not doing anything, but I don't know where he is and I can't ever just go next door. I can't find said meanie and even though I know that he's probably at work and poses no threat at all, I wont do anything in my system that I absolutely can't leave ever because he might not be at work and I might lose a ship. CCP please stop the meanie from being able to do nothing to me because he's probably at work"
2. Thread gets trolled because its been done literally to death. This horse has been beaten so hard and so often that it's little more than a memory of a memory of a red smear on the grass, and yet it STILL WONT DIE! In fact it's been done so many times that this particular horse is now undead; even if it does die, it will still be remembered and parodied.
3. Someone comes along and suggests that AFK cloakers can't hurt you, because they are, by their very definition, AFK. No one ever lost a ship to someone who ISN'T PLAYING THE GAME.
4. Someone else comes along and points out that while the cloaker might be AFK, he might not be, and so we have Schrodinger's Hot Dropper. The cyno pilot who might be AFK... but he might not be as well, and you will only know for sure when he decloaks, points and lights his candle. (Yes, I know this isn't how the cat works)
5. Someone else comes along and suggests that you use bait and setup a TARP. Or have a defence fleet on standby. Heaven forbid you have to actually fight to defend your space.
6. A further person comes along and suggests that the problem isn't cloaking AFK in your system that you can't possibly leave ever, but that you KNOW that the person is AFK in your system... and perhaps local should be removed because free 100% accurate intel is probably not the best thing in the game and if you didn't know that the big meanie was in your system, you wouldn't be worried about leaving the undock/POS.
7. Then another person pokes their head in and complains that local is 100% NEEDED because D-Scan and probing are such bad mechanics, and IF YOU TAKE MY LOCAL AWAY IM QUITTING FOREVER AND NO YOU CAN'T HAVE MY STUFF!
8. Someone asks if they can have 7's stuff.
We end up with another thread which goes on for pages and pages between complains about local, defence fleets, inability to just go next door, people who aren't playing the game but are playing the meta, lots of bickering and in the end nothing gets solved. CCP wont remove cloaking because it would mess with waaay too many things and it creates content (which is a good thing) by removing content (which is a bad thing) but they can't really think of any way to do it without a complete overhaul of the local and scanning systems.
Now that I've had this entire thread's conversation, can we just let it die? Please?
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2016.06.13 09:54:39 -
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Hawke Frost wrote:OP is an idiot.
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Christo Severasse
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2016.06.13 10:07:29 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Christo Severasse wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Christo Severasse wrote:OP complains about afk cloaky camping as it involves AUTOMATION (even though it clearly doesn't). Wants an afk flag AUTOMATICALLY applied to make it easier to identify them.
*Caps use intentional to highlight 1: hypocrisy and 2: irony. Not a very bright one are you, but you are in RvB being farmed so what ho, I am not the OP, I am just taking the opportunity to suggest the AFK flag which I do on every AFK Cloaky thread, because so many people say it does not matter as he is AFK so I said OK have an AFK flag and then they all scream it matters, its rather hilarious actually... and rather ironic and dare I say it showing acute levels of hypocrisy. When you hunt them you have to find out when the little dears are active so you can bait them for results, not while they are snoring their heads off or under the whip at work. You got my number, bud. Congratulations. On the other hand I am enjoying the game and not scared my space pixels might get blown up and that I have to spend pretend space money to replace them. You are not the OP, no matter, my comment is still accurate as you have the same mind set. Oh really, so you are saying someone who wants to hunt them but does not want to waste his time when they are AFK has the same mindset, wow, I repeat you are not very bright are you, perfect material for the kill farmers in RvB, have fun...
Dude, if you want to hunt them drop your cloak and let them come to you. Or are you only happy to hunt people if you have a clear advantage? |
Lan Wang
Knights of the posing meat FETID
3133
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Posted - 2016.06.13 10:10:19 -
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can we have a flag for people who are undocked? so it doesnt seem a waste of time scanning systems out to see whats ratting, or what about a flag if you are ratting or mining? saves a lot of time tbh
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Mortlake
Devils Rejects 666
2230
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Posted - 2016.06.13 10:13:10 -
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Miss Scordite wrote:
This is an automation - player's ship remains cloaked and present in a system by itself, without any attention paid to a game client. Just because there is no third-party software doesn't mean this action is not performed automatically; Yawn.
This applies to practically every miner with an active module.
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cBOLTSON
Star Frontiers Brotherhood of Spacers
163
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Posted - 2016.06.13 10:23:47 -
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It is somewhat straight forward to work around cloaky campers - including but not limited to old favourites like "Moving system" (that's assuming that you have other good systems to use) "standing fleets / running in gangs" this is a personal favourite "Cyno jammers" (wont help deter black ops gangs but hey it stops a carrier cyno'ing in on your face.)
That being said, AFK all day style cloaky camping is just a bad game mechanic that I would hope CCP will change for something more engaging for both the attacker and defender.
Some people hate cloaky campers, some people love to cloaky camp. Personally I have done a little of both and think that there is a better way for sure.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1745
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Posted - 2016.06.13 10:36:28 -
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Christo Severasse wrote:Dude, if you want to hunt them drop your cloak and let them come to you. Or are you only happy to hunt people if you have a clear advantage?
Well as I got on a Cloaky Goon Tengu camper km with a Badger I can say to you baiting only works when people are active, but it can be great fun...
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1745
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Posted - 2016.06.13 10:45:31 -
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Lan Wang wrote:can we have a flag for people who are undocked? so it doesnt seem a waste of time scanning systems out to see whats ratting, or what about a flag if you are ratting or mining? saves a lot of time tbh
The AFK flag should apply to people in station too if that helps...
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1745
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Posted - 2016.06.13 10:49:22 -
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Mortlake wrote:Miss Scordite wrote:
This is an automation - player's ship remains cloaked and present in a system by itself, without any attention paid to a game client. Just because there is no third-party software doesn't mean this action is not performed automatically; This applies to practically every miner with an active module.
Rubbish, the miner has to manage roid selection and application of the mining lasar, as well as moving to get the desired roid in range, whereas a cloaky camper just clicks his cloak once and he is golden. But do not take from my reply I want to change the cloak, I do not, cloaks are perfectly fine as is. I do not want to see fuel requirements or the need to re-click every so often, the AFK flag was the only way to do this without causing a cascade of bad decisions for game play.
Eve has to have no easy log off which is about the right balance, but the negative is AFK cloak camping which can be reduced in affect by a AFK flag.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the posing meat FETID
3133
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Posted - 2016.06.13 10:49:38 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Lan Wang wrote:can we have a flag for people who are undocked? so it doesnt seem a waste of time scanning systems out to see whats ratting, or what about a flag if you are ratting or mining? saves a lot of time tbh The AFK flag should apply to people in station too if that helps...
i dont have an issue of afk cloakies, i have an an issue of having to scan out big systems, or dock in every station to realise nobody is actually in space
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
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Posted - 2016.06.13 11:04:27 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Lan Wang wrote:can we have a flag for people who are undocked? so it doesnt seem a waste of time scanning systems out to see whats ratting, or what about a flag if you are ratting or mining? saves a lot of time tbh The AFK flag should apply to people in station too if that helps... i dont have an issue of afk cloakies, i have an an issue of having to scan out big systems, or dock in every station to realise nobody is actually in space
That's rather trival as compared to hunting a cloaky camper, for my own part having an idea on who was active in a system I was camping rather helps, but you are talking about low sec and I am talking about sov 0.0 where I cannot check the stations...
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
903
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Posted - 2016.06.13 11:08:47 -
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That's pretty much all that needs to be said.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
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Sequester Risalo
Semiki Minerals and Missiles Company Ltd.
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Posted - 2016.06.13 11:27:48 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Mortlake wrote:Miss Scordite wrote:
This is an automation - player's ship remains cloaked and present in a system by itself, without any attention paid to a game client. Just because there is no third-party software doesn't mean this action is not performed automatically; This applies to practically every miner with an active module. Rubbish, the miner has to manage roid selection and application of the mining lasar, as well as moving to get the desired roid in range, whereas a cloaky camper just clicks his cloak once and he is golden.
I was going to write the same in a lengthy post explaining why afk cloaking is not input automation. Then I soon gathered that nobody here seriously supports the thesis of the OP which was supposedly only aimed at stirring up feces. But it seems some clarification is really needed.
Clicking the cloaking device one results in it running until cap runs out. In case of stable fits that's never. Clicking on a mining laser, armor repper, shield hardener, missile launcher etc has exactly the same result. I understand that one of the two options does affect you more than the other. Still, for the purpose of the input automation rule this thread supposedly is about both actions are identical.
Also be advised that the input automation rule doesn't care if you are present or afk. It simply requires you to communicate with the EVE client yourself in person and not via a bot/multiplier. If the EVE client then repeatedly performs the same action or one action eternally, is completely in line with this rule. Otherwise every miner, PvPer and PvEer would have to be banned under this rule.
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Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
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Posted - 2016.06.13 12:03:22 -
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The problem many people have with cloaky camping is the lack of tools to fight it effectively. It is a tactic that really has only 2 counters: One, ignore it and hope the camper isnt a dropper. Two, switch systems. The argumen is that no one should be able to sit in space for long periods with no risk.
The irony of this is that the same people that support cloaky camping would be the first to complain about people who could rat or mine without any or little risk such as the calls to get rid of the local channel list.
Every tactic in eve should have an effective counter tactic. Apparently CCP agrees, as they are working on a counter, from what i read, for cloaky campers.
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Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
1839
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Posted - 2016.06.13 12:10:19 -
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Miss Scordite wrote:... This is an automation - player's ship remains cloaked and present in a system by itself, without any attention paid to a game client. Just because there is no third-party software doesn't mean this action is not performed automatically So doing nothing is an action performed automatically? Wait here, I will be right back. I have to tell my boss that doing nothing is actually automating the workload. win/win...
Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format.
Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14190
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Posted - 2016.06.13 12:35:01 -
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There are few things i find more irritating that people complaining about 'cloaky' camping. It's so intensely weak minded it's not funny. In my group, we rat and mine and ignore cloaky campers. We WANT you to drop us, how else will we get Blops kills with mining and ratting fit non-pvp ships?
The cloaky camper complainers are just the 'bumped miners' of null sec. The 1st thing we my corp noticed is that that when you get a reputation for fighting back and killing hot droppers and cloaky solo camper types, you stop having to deal with hot droppers and cloaky solo camper types (because those people react to cost-beneift analysis just like every one else....we COST too much for them to have fun with so they move on to places where people don't fight back). |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
519
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Posted - 2016.06.13 12:42:43 -
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Can we have this flag for when they are AFK.
With my leet pvp skills, I want to know when they aren't going to shoot back at me, because this is nullsec and shooting at ships that won't shoot back will make me uber leet.
So knowing they are AFK would be great thanks. |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
903
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Posted - 2016.06.13 12:48:02 -
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Christo Severasse wrote: Dude, if you want to hunt them drop your cloak and let them come to you. Or are you only happy to hunt people if you have a clear advantage?
Um, duh. That's just human nature. In general, people don't go picking a fight they think they'll lose.
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Revis Owen
The Conference Elite CODE.
351
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Posted - 2016.06.13 12:59:25 -
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Miss Scordite wrote:In other words, an AFK camper makes an impact on the universe while not paying attention to his game client.
Of course, your OP is completely wrong. But you seem to have energy, and there are MUCH bigger fish to fry. Get on the righteous crusade against AFK miners in highsec!
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Revis Owen
The Conference Elite CODE.
353
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Posted - 2016.06.13 13:11:23 -
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Roenok Baalnorn wrote:The argumen is that no one should be able to sit in space for long periods with no risk.
I agree. So let's get CCP to reverse the nerfs that protect the biggest offenders by far: highsec miners.
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Mortlake
Devils Rejects 666
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Posted - 2016.06.13 13:26:19 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Mortlake wrote:Miss Scordite wrote:
This is an automation - player's ship remains cloaked and present in a system by itself, without any attention paid to a game client. Just because there is no third-party software doesn't mean this action is not performed automatically; This applies to practically every miner with an active module. Rubbish, the miner has to manage roid selection and application of the mining lasar, as well as moving to get the desired roid in range, whereas a cloaky camper just clicks his cloak once and he is golden. But do not take from my reply I want to change the cloak, I do not, cloaks are perfectly fine as is. I do not want to see fuel requirements or the need to re-click every so often, the AFK flag was the only way to do this without causing a cascade of bad decisions for game play. Eve has to have no easy log off which is about the right balance, but the negative is AFK cloak camping which can be reduced in affect by a AFK flag.
So you disagree that most miners are afk or at least not paying attention for the vast amount of time that they are mining? The cloak has absolutely nothing to do with it. What I am saying is that with reference to the OP's quoted point, miners are also not paying attention to the game client. The same can be said of auto piloting.
Dracvlad wrote: but you are talking about low sec and I am talking about sov 0.0 where I cannot check the stations.
I too rat in opposing alliances systems, especially the ones with stations. All day. With gay abandon.
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Frostys Virpio
Yet another corpdot.
2913
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Posted - 2016.06.13 13:27:59 -
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Revis Owen wrote:Roenok Baalnorn wrote:The argumen is that no one should be able to sit in space for long periods with no risk. I agree. So let's get CCP to reverse the nerfs that protect the biggest offenders by far: highsec miners.
Killing a miner in HS is harder for you than killing a guy cloaked in deep space and AFK? |
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