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Rune Star
Trauma Ward Winmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.06.26 23:26:32 -
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I'd accept the sun too, but really at star gates? It just makes the game feel cheap. Most carebears are setting up bubble hellcamps off gates now with their citadel. So when you jump in you've got to deal with the citadel and bubble rage cage and can't even go snipe a bear in an anom. :( |
Neadayan Drakhon
Heuristic Industrial And Development AddictClan
290
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Posted - 2016.06.26 23:37:36 -
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Working as intended, move along.
Edit - semi serious response: You're complaining that people are actually defending their space? |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
8179
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Posted - 2016.06.26 23:38:00 -
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GÖ½ Unintended Consequences. GÖ¼
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The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper: 'Hodor'.
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Rune Star
Trauma Ward Winmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2016.06.26 23:41:29 -
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Doc Fury wrote:GÖ½ Unintended Consequences. GÖ¼
Hopefully there's an iterative pass on Citadels after a few patches. Although it's pretty low prio, I bet. It just feels kinda like space is going to get trashed up with citadels on gate. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3350
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Posted - 2016.06.26 23:42:44 -
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CCP failed to allow for 1000km drag bubbles in their thought process. Which results in an overly silly situation now and I'm quite sure they will correct it one way or another. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2016.06.27 01:03:26 -
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Rune Star wrote:I'd accept the sun too, but really at star gates? It just makes the game feel cheap. Most carebears are setting up bubble hellcamps off gates now with their citadel. So when you jump in you've got to deal with the citadel and bubble rage cage and can't even go snipe a bear in an anom. :(
If they're only carebears, reinforce the citadel and make it cost them 2B a pop every time they try this.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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nezroy
Nice Clan
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Posted - 2016.06.27 04:52:13 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:CCP failed to allow for 1000km drag bubbles in their thought process. Which results in an overly silly situation now and I'm quite sure they will correct it one way or another.
They actually went out of their way to RESTRICT them to ONLY 1000km drag bubbles, so... I mean, you can disagree with their choice but you can't actually argue they didn't think about it. |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1277
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Posted - 2016.06.27 05:36:19 -
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Malcanis wrote:Rune Star wrote:I'd accept the sun too, but really at star gates? It just makes the game feel cheap. Most carebears are setting up bubble hellcamps off gates now with their citadel. So when you jump in you've got to deal with the citadel and bubble rage cage and can't even go snipe a bear in an anom. :( If they're only carebears, reinforce the citadel and make it cost them 2B a pop every time they try this.
#Effort #BringingActualShipsOnTheField #NoFriends #ActuallyRiskingSomething #SomeoneElseCanDoItAndWhiningIsBetter
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
16525
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Posted - 2016.06.27 05:42:06 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:Malcanis wrote:Rune Star wrote:I'd accept the sun too, but really at star gates? It just makes the game feel cheap. Most carebears are setting up bubble hellcamps off gates now with their citadel. So when you jump in you've got to deal with the citadel and bubble rage cage and can't even go snipe a bear in an anom. :( If they're only carebears, reinforce the citadel and make it cost them 2B a pop every time they try this. #Effort #BringingActualShipsOnTheField #NoFriends #ActuallyRiskingSomething #SomeoneElseCanDoItAndWhiningIsBetter #amidoingitright?
Better the Devil you know.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
1855
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Posted - 2016.06.27 08:58:46 -
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They are putting a Citadel at risk, also it is being used as a force multiplier to assist in area defence, perfectly good use of a citadel IMO. If you don't like it go and blow it up, they are "carebears" after all...
COHE, the Coalition of Hisec Entities is now in operation, time to make hisec work for people who operate there.
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Zappity
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2879
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Posted - 2016.06.27 09:19:07 -
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There should be more ways to protect your space and rmake it your own, not less.
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2016.06.27 11:06:45 -
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Working as Designed. Please submit a change request, as this is not a defect.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
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Mark Hadden
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
74
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Posted - 2016.06.27 11:25:49 -
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yes, citadels on gate grids shouldn't be possible since they allow safe gatecamps from 1000 km away. Lets see how long CCP is going to take to fix this. |
Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
347
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Posted - 2016.06.27 12:10:42 -
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You gotta love that opening salvo of a whinethread about getting rekt by bears.
Shall we introduce a brand new Plankton class for Bear++ bottom feeders? |
Chewytowel Haklar
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
210
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Posted - 2016.06.27 14:54:39 -
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Yeah this makes me sad too. I demand you all take down all these bubbles and citadels on gates cause it makes my job much much harder!
Also, please don't shoot me and destroy my ship unless you honor my 1 vs 1 honorable combat request. Thanks and have a pleasant day.
OH, lastly do NOT drop super's on people that is just rude!!!! |
Aiwha
Infinite Point Test Alliance Please Ignore
1191
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Posted - 2016.06.27 15:22:04 -
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Citadels have to be 1k off gates. So you're never gonna be blapped by one when you jump though a gate.
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
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Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
397
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Posted - 2016.06.27 16:58:15 -
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Ugh, bubbles are only allowed in NullSec, right?
If so, then Carebears in Null? That's a new one on me. Sounds like a bad cartoon title. Also, if null, then can't you cyno the system and drop a Cap Fleet in there to remove the Citadel?
I don't think CCP would allow something like this to exist if there weren't ways around it. Also, if you dropped a Fleet through the gate, wouldn't the Citadel be dragging in it's own doom?
I think I'm missing a lot of information here to understand what the issue really is. Then again, I'm a HiSec Carebear (Though I usually do have on my teeth and claws) and we are dumber than your average bear, maybe really dumb compared to our NullSec cousins...
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
348
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Posted - 2016.06.27 17:05:48 -
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Think OP's complaining about not having a scout / tactical bookmarks around gates, then getting his fleet dragged into bubbles at the citadel where it dies horribly.
Nullsec things, yup. Citadels have access to deadly weapon systems (point defense, mini-doomsdays) you won't find (I believe?) in highsec.
Still... how about not flying into the bubble maybe? Is this different than any other gaycamp? |
Roci Nantes
Spongeworks Ltd. Snuggle Struggle.
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Posted - 2016.06.27 17:09:01 -
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I agree with the OP's statement but not for the same reason. Maybe I'm the only one but I hate seeing all the citadels in the system.(I mean physically seeing them) I can't throw a rock and not have to look at this terrible looking things. Some systems with a dozen or more is just gross. At least with the pos you had to go to a moon to see them. It feels like I'm in WALL-E flying through everyone's space junk.
The function and use of the citadels is fine by me. I just don't like seeing them. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2016.06.27 17:16:11 -
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Roci Nantes wrote:I agree with the OP's statement but not for the same reason. Maybe I'm the only one but I hate seeing all the citadels in the system.(I mean physically seeing them) I can't throw a rock and not have to look at this terrible looking things. Some systems with a dozen or more is just gross. At least with the pos you had to go to a moon to see them. It feels like I'm in WALL-E flying through everyone's space junk.
The function and use of the citadels is fine by me. I just don't like seeing them. So go slap them about, bring like two guardians and a couple of vindis and youre golden. Unless they have a defense fleet but then you get a fight!
Better the Devil you know.
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Roci Nantes
Spongeworks Ltd. Snuggle Struggle.
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Posted - 2016.06.27 19:13:27 -
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I have attempted to stir up a crusade or two... I hope to at least keep them out of the areas I like to frequent. If there is already a dozen of them in a system, really isn't a whole lot of point in trying to destroy them. |
Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
397
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Posted - 2016.06.27 19:59:24 -
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I see the Astrahaus's pretty regularly but not much larger yet (at least in HiSec areas I poodle around in.) (And before you ask, yes, poodle around is the appropriate term. You see my capsule entertainment system is cobbled together from old starship salvage parts and it's what's left of something called "VHS" and I have one tape... Grease. So, poodle skirt and blonde wig singing my way through the Cosmos.) Okay, enough with about as much RP as I will ever feel like doing in GD.
Anyway, having multiple Citadels in a system shouldn't be much of a problem unless the dominate your overview so much you can't see anything else. At that point I'd either ask CCP for a quick reconfig button on the Overview that you can toggle certain states of a tab on and off... or time to get together a fleet of like minded, annoyed, folks and put them all into reinforced a few times and wipe them out in a week... or two.
I have no idea what drives people to want to put these critters up anyway, it's like Deep Space 9, you're stuck there and all the fights have to come to you!
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Zappity
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2884
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Posted - 2016.06.27 20:11:19 -
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The carriers are not safe. You cannot tether with a weapons timer so the carrier becomes vulnerable when it aggresses.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
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Scotsman Howard
S0utherN Comfort Test Alliance Please Ignore
137
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Posted - 2016.06.27 21:16:06 -
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Rune Star wrote:I'd accept the sun too, but really at star gates? It just makes the game feel cheap. Most carebears are setting up bubble hellcamps off gates now with their citadel. So when you jump in you've got to deal with the citadel and bubble rage cage and can't even go snipe a bear in an anom. :(
Let us begin a glorious list:
1. Bubble Hellcamps are nothing new. Therefore you argument regarding being unable to "snipe a bear" due to the bubble camps is not valid.
2. A Citadel can only be within 1000 KM of a gate, so the guns cannot touch you. Therefore your argument regarding being unable to "snipe a bear" due to a Citadel being on gate is not valid.
3. Carriers sitting on a Citadel while fighters are on gate - Being addressed in the next patch (people feel different things about this), so your whining about CCP not addressing (at least part of) the issue is not valid.
4. A bubble camp with a ship defending it shows that someone is defending their space. This is a good thing. We can debate the use of carriers all you want, but at least someone is defending it. You want a fight? Go look for one. You jump in a system with a camp, then obviously whatever you are flying can't handle it, so move on the to the next and don't go back.
5. Your use of the term "snipe a bear" leads me to think you are not actually looking for a "Good Fight" but rather a gank. I have news for you. There is no such thing as a "Good Fight" in Eve (unless arranged). This is how the game is played. If you ever find yourself in an even fight, it does not mean both sides were honorable. It means both sides messed up somehow and did not fight on their terms. Some people don't mind this. Others such as your self complain on the forums. This is Eve it is what we do. |
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
1018
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Posted - 2016.06.27 21:21:55 -
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Malcanis wrote:Rune Star wrote:I'd accept the sun too, but really at star gates? It just makes the game feel cheap. Most carebears are setting up bubble hellcamps off gates now with their citadel. So when you jump in you've got to deal with the citadel and bubble rage cage and can't even go snipe a bear in an anom. :( If they're only carebears, reinforce the citadel and make it cost them 2B a pop every time they try this.
Oh you are better than this.
It dramatically raises the bar for roaming gangs, and gives them risk free ways to defend their space from small raids. The entire point of AegisSov was to try and make sov more dynamic, and put value on smaller raids, rather than everything being about 1 or 2 timers. This tilts it back to timer-based gameplay, involving large fleets, rather than being dynamic, fun, and fast. I.E. don't bother trying to do a roam unless everyone has all the book mark packs, and or you actually have a fleet that can fight a citadel.
I never had a problem with gate camps, or people defending their space. That is good, emergent gameplay. Getting camped in by a 100 man supercap fleet in JU- was fair: they at least had to be undocked and vulnerable on paper, whereas there is absolutely zero risk in camping in a citadel.
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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
519
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Posted - 2016.06.27 21:54:24 -
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I don't understand. Citadels can be no closer than 1000 km to a gate. Citadels can only dock out to 350 km. How is the citadel a factor at all? |
Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
349
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Posted - 2016.06.27 22:06:23 -
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it's a one-man defense with a bubble dragging y'all in.
Whereas a regular camp would require more than one gunman.
Edit: ...and whereas a regular camp can be shot-- the citadel outside its vulnerability window can shoot yessir, but you can't shoot back. |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1282
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Posted - 2016.06.27 23:58:07 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote:it's a one-man defense with a bubble dragging y'all in.
Whereas a regular camp would require more than one gunman.
Edit: ...and whereas a regular camp can be shot-- the citadel outside its vulnerability window can shoot yessir, but you can't shoot back.
Warp off?
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Frostys Virpio
Yet another corpdot.
2950
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Posted - 2016.06.28 01:23:56 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:Brokk Witgenstein wrote:it's a one-man defense with a bubble dragging y'all in.
Whereas a regular camp would require more than one gunman.
Edit: ...and whereas a regular camp can be shot-- the citadel outside its vulnerability window can shoot yessir, but you can't shoot back. Warp off?
Did you miss the point where he mentioned a bubble? |
Zappity
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2886
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Posted - 2016.06.28 01:39:21 -
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Don't warp straight to the gate?
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