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Zaribeth
Federation of Freedom Fighters
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.03.05 14:00:00 -
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Edited by: Zaribeth on 05/03/2007 13:57:07
I agree with the op.
This has gone way too far, if it continues people are gona get banned.
I ask for all in eve to stop writeing and think for a sec.
CCP have made what i consider the best game i have ever played.
Been playing for over 2 year's now, and i am not gona stop.
If you get tired, just leave. You will come back eventually. We all do :)
TY cpp for the best game out there :D
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Buxaroo
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.03.05 14:37:00 -
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Agreed. Try playing any other MMO. Look at SOE. Look at how they raped SWG. Look at the forums there......nothing but whining. But then again SOE deserves it.
But CCP are truely a great company who actually care about their game. If you don't beleive that give me an example of another MMO with communication and response times from the devs and gms.
And the reason why the petitions are taking so long is because every jerkoff who lost a ship is petitioning it, even if it wasn't lag.
Having said that:
I do think the servers need to be more speedier when it comes to fleet battles. Hell, who doesn't think that. Large fleet battles are not fun at all. To me they should just get rid of all the gang bonuses if your gang is over 40+. I would rather have no gang bonuses and lag-free fights than that extra 10% armor etc.
The escrow system is not fun at all like one of the psoters said above me. I like to browse for things. I have found some things I never heard of before just by browsing. It's WAY to much of a pain in the ass to browse anymore.
But other than those problems and a few minor ones, CCP are at the top of their game. If you think otherwise then show me another MMO on ONE shard that is better....
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Demonic Embrace
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Posted - 2007.03.05 15:36:00 -
[33]
Edited by: Demonic Embrace on 05/03/2007 15:34:59
 Originally by: Kihnada
Try playing games like WoW - where server hiccup means 8 hours up to 3 days offline.
Did you play the first day it came out and never play again or something?
I've had a petition in for near a month before I got a response here in EvE.
As you said, you're new. You can slide, this time..I'll be watching for your "WTF CCP" posts soon.
As far as the OP's post goes: No, they don't deserve a "break". There are a lot of other reasons people are a bit more angry about CCP and the things they are doing.
Yah they made a great game, too bad what they are doing now is going to ruin it all.
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Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H.
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.05 16:00:00 -
[34]
Lets take a differentiated approach to this.
I appreciate all the work that CCPs developers, DBAs, network people, ISD and all are doing keeping the cluster running. And I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve a big thanks - people who are being paged out of bed (such as some days ago) and I won't say a bad word about the handling of last nights db issues. Yes I posted a rant about the login queue but that in the heat of the moment and a kinda self-ironic response to my own stupidity of jumping right before downtime. So on that front, thanks CCP for great work beyond the call of duty. I'm paged out of bed for servers myself and know how that sucks (and maybe they're not even paid for it - I know I am not )
But at the same time, I definetly criticize how CCP runs Eve in the long run. Gameplay decisions aside I can find absolutely no understanding anymore for, say, the fact that the forums still have constant hickups and swallow every second post for as long as I play Eve and probably a lot longer. I have no understanding for including features such as invention, which are by all accounts from what I read broken to the point of being unusable.
And I could list a million other things - some of them that would be really quick to fix, such as certain UI issues. Or petitions that run several months - again the DMs and ISD are doing a great job and probably beat the monkey as fast as they can (and they are an outstanding example of friendliness and helpfulness) but it seems someone should add some manpower to that department or come up with some creative ideas (more creative than limiting the number of active petitions to two).
Talk UI features. I play Eve for more than a year and I'd have thought they'd build something in that time that lets me set a status (such as "afk" or "busy") for my corp mates to see. After all this is 2007 but nope. Same with evemail which is very basic to say the least (try eve-mailing two people at once). Or fixing the broken cut/paste (e.g. in bookmark descriptions). Or updating the base prices (its about time) to make insurance worthwile again and not just an entry on a feature list. Nope - the basic UI features and basic gameplay mechanisms see very little improvement indeed. "Contracts" got bolted on (in a so complicated way that NONE of my corpies could figure out why my private contracts would not work) but thats about it, and small changes get touted at the biggest thing since sliced bread (or at least as the reason for patches).
Its kind of difficult to voice it but the eve UI really feels a lot like a database client with spaceships than a game (prime example: repackaging ships looses insurance for no gameplay reason at all but because it fits the database schema - its so obvious and could be worked arround easily, for the sake of useful insurance).
If CCP wants my respect and endorsement back then Eve should stop being run by the marketing department - adding new festures is fine as long as there is some improvement on the old ones, and foremost as long as the new stuff WORKS (again - contracts, new region roids etc.)
All that doesn't even begin to touch the more personal (aka flame-target) aspects of ballancing, gameplay (23/7 omgwtfbbq gate camping etc) and so much more.
I for one (flame me if you must) KNOW that the grass is greener on the other side, I've played other games that IMHO did a much better job in that area.
p.s. if anyone wonders, I still play Eve (because I invested a lot of time) and hence you can not have my stuff just yet. But that does not mean that I hate to love Eve.
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Ealiom
Blackhole Entry Point
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Posted - 2007.03.05 16:12:00 -
[35]
No trolling please.
Ive been in EVE since Beta and I also play WoW Azjol-Nerub European server. So I think I have a good say on just how bad Blizzard are and how well CCP manage there game.
You have a wee search on the Azjol Server and then come back here with the same comments. That server has had nothing but problems from day 1.
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Ysolde Xen
Minmatar
Liberal Trading Co
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.03.05 16:20:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Wild Rho
Have to agree with the OP. The attitudes from some of the people here recently have been a disgrace.
It seems some people have forgotten that they can simply cancel their subs and walk away if they are really THAT bothered by everything.
There's criticism and then there's just being out right obnoxious. More recently the latter seems to be becoming the norm.
This post neatly sums up my thoughts exactly.
EVE players are becoming spoiled. They seem to think that all other MMOs exist in some magical utopia of no downtimes ever, perfect psychic communication and other such things. In my experience, CCP outperforms the other MMO makers I've come across by a mile.
The door is that way --->
Ta ta!
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Ealiom
Blackhole Entry Point
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Posted - 2007.03.05 16:25:00 -
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CCP are not some mammoth game designing engine. They are a relatively small team of incredibly dedicated folk.
Blizzard have the manpower of a small country and yet still cant offer the same dedication to its game and paying customers as CCP can. Likewise there creeky old server rarely see any love and all this time they are raking in the big bucks with massive smiles on there faces.
I don'T want to sound as if im attacking Blizzard but its the easy target to distinguish good Devs from bad ones.
Most of the changes you stated actually sound quite good to me. I had never thought of having an AFK option to be honest. Never really found the need for one. But i can see its a good idea.
So im sure you can imagine that if i have been playing this game forever and never found a need for it many times many more folk wouldnt have either.
Post your ideas and if they are good they WILL be used. Definetly not right away but one day yes.
I would think due to EVE's relatively small customer base CCP have to look at the future to ensure we all want to keep playing whilst attracting new customers with its fancy new looks and features. So I think you should forgive them for not giving every small detail the attention it deserves.
Invention may be borked at the moment but read the blogs they are on it and it sounds promising and a helluva alot better than the current BPO lottery.
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Princess Jodi
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.03.05 18:30:00 -
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I dissagree with the opinion of giving CCP a 'break'. We are paying customers, and as such have a right to complain when things are broken. While I still like EVE more than I hate it, the answer is not in changing our player expectations. The answer is in fixing the problems in a timely manner, communicating the status of issues, and above all in FAIRNESS to all (and FAVORITISM to NONE.)
The question is how long CCP can go on without alienating enough of its player base to make it go broke. It is my sincere hope that things improve and this great game keeps getting greater. But I can easily see the other extreme happening, and EVE collapsing into obscurity. It is a challenge, and the job of CCP, to keep this game great.
Therefore don't expect me to be standing behind the Devs and giving them shoulder rubs while cooing in their ear about how great they are. I refuse to let someone rest on their laurels, at least while I'm paying for their services.
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2007.03.05 18:36:00 -
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Whining is the price you pay for having a great vision executed poorly.
Its also causes fanbois physical pain.
And someone got his GTCed CNR back within 24h due to threatening to cancel his 3 accounts, so it works.
Something that helps you get stuff, and punishes evil people -> win.
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Roger Waters
Wise Guys
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Posted - 2007.03.05 18:47:00 -
[40]
I'll signe that one, CCP should get their pads on their backs everyonce in a while.
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Lord Slater
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.03.05 18:50:00 -
[41]
Yea give CCP a break FFS [kisses Devs butt]
After all CCP is a small software company and considering what they have achieved they deserv ower praise [Rubs nose in butt]
Everyone should just take a break from the forums and get some perspective [Cleans browns stuff off nose]
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Ealiom
Blackhole Entry Point
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Posted - 2007.03.05 19:54:00 -
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What do i have to gain from any of my opinions regarding CCP in this thread?
I have 5 accounts to my name so i feel my wallet twitching as money is taken from me each month. If this game wasn't entertaining and damn right thrilling id shut my wallet tight.
Dont like this game? want to endlessly complain go play WoW and give yourself something to complain about.
Last couple of posts are example1: That even EVE is home to sad flame throwers.
This thread will likely be ruined by said saddos before it can disappear with any sort of dignity. I should say im not surprised.
Good job CCP and thanks to those who leant there support, ill leave this thread alone now.
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Renegade316
Gallente
Gallente Federal Bank
Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.05 20:19:00 -
[43]
Thanks CCP for the best 3years i have had in a MMO and will be hear for much longer.
keep it up 
just ignore the whiners
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Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2007.03.05 20:23:00 -
[44]
Who wins the whinage contest?
a) The guy that whines about something.
b) The guy that whines about the guy that whines about something.
c) The guy that makes a whole new thread about guys a & b?
/funny off
Now, seriously. If there's something we don't like, we mention it and talk about it. You may dismiss it as whinage if you like. You may suggest that people just quit and "walk away" or cancel. But not everyone's a quitter. Some people try to work out the issues discusing possible solutions and proposing ideas. Sure, some just whine/rant/flame. But that's the first step: recognising that there is an issue.
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Athren Soulsteal
Gallente
Intergalaxy Salvage And Repair
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Posted - 2007.03.05 20:51:00 -
[45]
First off when CCP deserves a break they get one, when they don't it's the responsibility of every player to slap them in the back of the head and ask "WTH were you thinking!"
The only why anything gets improvied is by pointing out the problems.
What you call a whine the rest of us call QA.
If you go buy a hamberger and it is given to you partally cooked on moldy bread do you point that out (whine by your POV) or do you accept it, pay your money and come back tomarrow hoping for better? Only if you file a complaint can you expect for the service to ever get better.
After four (yes going on 4 years now)years of EVE I have seen more good come from the so called whinage than the ignore the problems attitude fanbois and yes men.
Give CCP a break, yes when they deserve it, but every decision they have made of late seems to be a slap in the face for the average and causal players.
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar
LuthorCorp Combat Division
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Posted - 2007.03.05 20:57:00 -
[46]
CCP staff are better then any MMO on the market. Much <3
CCP however are also bad at a lot of things.
Yes they may beat WoW hands down... But I'm not playing that.
2nd try and posting this....
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Rudy Metallo
Minmatar
G.H.O.S.T
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Posted - 2007.03.05 21:00:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Rudy Metallo on 05/03/2007 20:58:12
YE!
Originally by: Ysolde Xen
Originally by: Wild Rho
Have to agree with the OP. The attitudes from some of the people here recently have been a disgrace.
It seems some people have forgotten that they can simply cancel their subs and walk away if they are really THAT bothered by everything.
There's criticism and then there's just being out right obnoxious. More recently the latter seems to be becoming the norm.
This post neatly sums up my thoughts exactly.
EVE players are becoming spoiled. They seem to think that all other MMOs exist in some magical utopia of no downtimes ever, perfect psychic communication and other such things. In my experience, CCP outperforms the other MMO makers I've come across by a mile.
The door is that way --->
Ta ta!
/signed
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BhallSpawn
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Posted - 2007.03.05 21:16:00 -
[48]
Lack of transparency from the recent problems(we all know what I'm talking about)causes frustration and anger.
So when little hiccups happen its just another thing to add to the list.
"and above all in FAIRNESS to all (and FAVORITISM to NONE.)"
Amen to that.
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BhallSpawn
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Posted - 2007.03.05 21:18:00 -
[49]
"After four (yes going on 4 years now)years of EVE I have seen more good come from the so called whinage than the ignore the problems attitude fanbois and yes men.
Give CCP a break, yes when they deserve it, but every decision they have made of late seems to be a slap in the face for the average and causal players."
And Amen to that too.
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Samirol
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.05 21:20:00 -
[50]
ccp needs to get their **** together
http://www.iknowderek.com/
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Lamic Tarvalla
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.03.05 21:20:00 -
[51]
I'm going to be hitting my 3 year mark next month, I've logged into this game almost everyday. And almost everyday with the exception of Big patch days, or the "every Tuesday patching" of old, the server has is up and running. I think if I counted all the times there was a full day of the server down I would still have a few fingers left. That's a huge credit to CCP. I have a few friends that play world of borecraft and they tell me of the awful customer service, the half-ass repair work to the server(s)
I gladly well continue to send me 15bucks a month to CCP, even with the past issues over the last few weeks.
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Lord Slater
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.03.05 22:46:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Samirol
ccp needs to get their **** together
[Gives an angry look] Go away troll this is an ass kissing thread GGGGGRRRRRRR
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Jack Target
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Posted - 2007.03.05 22:59:00 -
[53]
Keep up the good work CCP!
And best of luck to 'The Enslaver', their new GM!
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Hasak Rain
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.03.05 23:05:00 -
[54]
Originally by: 000Hunter000
Sometimes i get the feeling that only the whine threads get any response at all.
Either from pro or anti whiners.
if someone does post a serious question it gets snowed under and ends up 3 pages further in a matter of hours.
I noticed i'm reading the general forum less and less (mebbe it is time ccp renamed it the general whine forum hehe  )
Yeah that is the pitfall of having a Dev team and a company in general who communicates with it's player base on a regular basis. The whines tend to get a little louder because the whiners feel that the Devs are here 24/7 to wait on them and address all of their complaints.
My last MMO, DAOC, didn't even have an official forum. All game discussion was done on VN boards and the Devs never posted there. The only other "communication" was the Team Lead program which was a total joke and I won't go into why here because it would take too long to explain. Lets just say that the players never really get to talk to anyone except themselves about game issues in DAOC.
Personally, I would like to thank CCP for keeping the communication on the level in which they do. They have made some mistakes and haven't handled everything the way we all would like to see sometimes but I would take CCP and EvE over any other game out there.
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Actanna Levh
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.03.05 23:16:00 -
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I agree.
My impression is that, especially on the forums, CCP must endure endless complaining and a lot of arrogance from players.
One trend which I dislike is people pushing their agenda with regard to their own in-game income streams. I cannot count the number of threads I have which boil down to
ôHow dare CCP nerf myà(insert cash farm).. if this continues any further I shall quit taking myà. accounts and so shallà. other subscribersö
Some examples: low sec agents, mission loot, NPC belt spawns?, static complexes, T2 ôcartelsö, access to invention, NPC corps, etc.
This often comes with the argument ôI am a paying customer thereforeà.ö (CCP should cower before the might of my $15 and do back flips to avoid my wrath)
This is not to say everything is perfect, only that CCP already works hard, which is often forgotten. The eve community seems quite fanatical and it must be quite nerve wracking for the developers to introduce changes which the community will be able to dissect, publish the workings of and critique, with great speed.
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Dark Kavar
Caldari
Even-Flow
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Posted - 2007.03.05 23:41:00 -
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signed
Kind of like the Triforce in Zelda, only not quite as potent.
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Nachshon
Caldari
Gradient
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.03.06 01:07:00 -
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I find that CCP seems to listen a lot more to the players than in other games. True, they're not perfect, they need to do better, but they are doing pretty well.
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Alannis
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Posted - 2007.03.06 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Gilbert Drillerson
CCP definetely deserves a lot of praise for eve, not only for comming up with the concept originally but also for the implementation and for the first couple of years.
I have been playing eve for a little over three years and I have to say that I am not 100% happy with the way the game has taken in the last year or so.
Mainly I think CCP could have handled a number of growth related issues better:
Petition response times have risen from days to months
A lot of gameplay related tuning have been done to help server performance and stability, I especially HATE the huge leadership nerf that happend with Kali, basically HUGE impact gameplay wise and no impact to server stability... quite the opposite. Same can be said about contracts replacing Escrow, in some respects an improvement but at the cost of overview, I can no longer find anything or go shopping for fun.
Kali content was cut back to VERY little compared to what was planned, the patch was a stability disaster and many VERY old bugs was left in game while new ones was introduced.
I could go on but i guess most of us knows all this anyway :)
I LOVE Eve and CCP, I spend my hard earned cash on more accounts than i care to admit and I will probably continue to do so.... but I do hope CCP will find their way again... as it is right now I feel a little abandoned to be honest.
QFT + recent 'honesty' issues.
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Sgt Blade
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.06 01:23:00 -
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hmmm yes tbh people are either over reacting or just want to make a scene.... there few mins of fame sort of thing 
if people were actually that peed of with the game/ccp/exploits/omg hacks then they should really quit the game and find somthing that makes them happy... at the end of the day its a game and your suppose to spend your monies on fun.... not to play this and think this suck ill post a few times and carry on playing for another year..
i mean you wouldnt go out and buy a tv and if it dosnt work you will jsut right a few letters and phone calls but still keep hold of it to try and see if it gets better lol
if its gets fixed fine... nothing to complain about then but it it happens again... you would think again if you should really buy a different brand of tv wouldnt you.... i know i would
for me eve is about life tbh... things get f*cked up but you go in and try again... if it dosnt work adapt... but the main thing is have fun and if you the type of person who dosnt want to change with the game then go and play WoW or Guild Wars
ooo and can i mention... errm please for those who have the T2 Caps Lock.... repro them cause they get nerfed next patch
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Alannis
Gallente
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
The Fifth Race
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Posted - 2007.03.06 02:19:00 -
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I think the point a few people are trying to make is Eve is a great game, however there are some long term issues that need fixing.
On a personal note I don't want to stop playing Eve, however I do want things fixing - especially with the several month petition queue.
It's never a black and white issue and I think the community has a right to bring these issues to the attention of the Dev's.
At the same time its awesome the dev's actually respond directly to the community.
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