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Ealiom Blackhole Entry Point	Posted - 2007.03.05 10:44:00 - [1] Ive noticing an alarming increase in the amount of forum whining and attacks on CCP as of late. Last nights server hiccup was handled extremely well, Sharkbait posted updates on the situation and the problem was ultimately resolved. However I felt bad reading his final comment before he unlocked the thread. "unsticking and unlocking. flame away if you must" These guys must be under some serious pressure up there and the sheer amount of whining in the forums not to mention the hacker attacks must be causing more than a few sleepless nights. So with the forums full of negative threads i thought one positive thread wouldnt harm anyone. I have faith in CCP. I have faith in a developer who goes against current trends to develop a game 'we' want and I have faith that they will continue developing this game into something that shows everyone else just how to do it! I just hope they realise that not all pilots and not all forumites are whingers. Keep up the good work guys. If anyone agrees post a Ye! for all others please post in one of the other many moaning threads there are plenty of them. Have you seen Oveur lately the man doesnt look to well Executioner Model Blackbird Model
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2007.03.05 10:46:00 - [2] if people didnt care they wouldnt yell a perfectly civil official board would prove the game sucks ------ Relaxed corp recruiting
SonOTassadar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.03.05 10:53:00 - [3] Originally by: Splagada Edited by: Splagada on 05/03/2007 10:46:17 if people didnt care they wouldnt yell a perfectly civil official board would prove the game sucks Errr...no it wouldn't. Personally I think the general forums need to be a lot stricter about what you can post. People btch, pss, moan, flame, troll, etc. -- there are constructive and civil ways to share a complaint. ----- Griffin -- 100,000 ISK ECM - Multispectral Jammer Is -- 20,000 ISK Standard Missile Launcher Is -- 10,000 ISK War target sobbing over losing a fight in his T2 fitted Battleship -- priceless
Marshall Knight Ardent Industrial Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.03.05 10:54:00 - [4] I will second this they do a great job and yes there are problems due to the server hiccup yesterday i lost a domi and had no insurance money so cant replace it but was told hopefully after dt i will have the insurance money and if i dont i should contact them again yes it was annoying for me but hey its a game :) and people need to start treating it as such the developers do a great job under sometimes a lot of pressure keep up the good work guys and like the op said were not all whiners :) THis game is managed welll compared to some and i always see the same faces moaning on the forums which makes it look like the whole community is moaning theres 30k people who play this game but i only tend to see the same 20 or so posters moaning :)
Ealiom Blackhole Entry Point	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:00:00 - [5] Originally by: Splagada you cannot try to create passion on one side and prevent it on other side I'd whole heatedly agree with you if it werent for the lack of good response from the community. Whiners are generally a hundred times louder than anyone else and i understand there is no reason to post how happy you are. But lately it has been a joke and I can only imagine how much pressure these guys must be under. So I wanted to give them my support. Executioner Model Blackbird Model
Scilent Enigma Minmatar	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:03:00 - [6] /Signed Indeed, my mind boggles at the thought of administering a database the size of EVEs. A lot of hard working and dedicated people working in CCP.
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:06:00 - [7] It saddened me on the "hiccup" thread to see that the fifth or sixth response from a player was somebody whining about how some two hundred BoB had managed to log in before he had, and intimating that this was somehow CCP's fault. People are taking this grudge more than a little too far, I think. ***
Kyo Makamoto	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:06:00 - [8] Yes, I agree - Sharkbait was very prompt with the info for the players. This does calm a lot of nerves especially for those of us in the middle of large battles when the server went down. Also props to the devs for getting it sorted out so quickly. But the many comments on TS/Vent in the various corp channels about the locked server and 8 BoB logged in FIXing things while the rest of us wait (even if good natured fun) shows what is on a lot of peoples minds at the present time.
Ovno ConSyquence The Plebians	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:06:00 - [9] /signed CCP do a great job and i just wish all the whinners would stfu
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:13:00 - [10] Originally by: SonOTassadar Originally by: Splagada Edited by: Splagada on 05/03/2007 10:46:17 if people didnt care they wouldnt yell a perfectly civil official board would prove the game sucks Errr...no it wouldn't. Personally I think the general forums need to be a lot stricter about what you can post. People btch, pss, moan, flame, troll, etc. -- there are constructive and civil ways to share a complaint. I agree. It is possible to show strong opinions without using bad language, general trolling and all-round flaming against the devs or against each other. I know lot of people care very much about this game. But think of this: would you really really really flame the people behind this fantastic game? Dont you think that your whining might put them off track instead of on track? Whining creates bad mood. and people in bad mood creates bad games. And when the game gets nerfed, the temper rises among the players. and then the devs get even more sour and nerfs everything! BUT! But if people from the start did give constructive arguments and encouragements, the devs might not get into bad mood, and while they are in the good mood they creates a even better game, which again makes us want to throw a firework to celebrate the devs instead of swinging the pitchforks and lightning the torches! just my 2 isk ofcource! Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
Kihnada	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:15:00 - [11] Try playing games like WoW - where server hiccup means 8 hours up to 3 days offline. Or things like lag mean that after 3 or so weeks of yelling you get forum response like - We are aware of it. Not to mention Vanguard - where hicup means youre comp will probably blow up in youre face. Granted I am new to EVE, but been playing MMO for a while now. First impression of customer feedback was WOW - this is AWSOME ! As a noob - ofc noob chat what you strat using after tutorial and seeing and CCP employee in there taking care of noob questions, whole new ball game. Database error - and you see info about it in plain sight when loging in, a SHOCK. Ussualy companies just inform you servers are down, put fingers in theire ears and sing LALALLA- I CANT HEAR YOU !. All in all- Im new around here, but from what I see, customeres are pampered here far more then in other games ...
s4mp3r0r ZiTek Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:19:00 - [12] I actually feel they are handling the hardware issues better than a year or more ago. It's the other stuff i'm not pleased with. Quote: I wish i could tell you more but I was sworn to absolute secrecy!
Wild Rho Amarr Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:24:00 - [13] Have to agree with the OP. The attitudes from some of the people here recently have been a disgrace. It seems some people have forgotten that they can simply cancel their subs and walk away if they are really THAT bothered by everything. There's criticism and then there's just being out right obnoxious. More recently the latter seems to be becoming the norm.
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:43:00 - [14] Originally by: Kihnada All in all- Im new around here, but from what I see, customeres are pampered here far more then in other games ... I think the term you're looking for is "spoiled rotten" ***
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:45:00 - [15] Sometimes i get the feeling that only the whine threads get any response at all. Either from pro or anti whiners. if someone does post a serious question it gets snowed under and ends up 3 pages further in a matter of hours. I noticed i'm reading the general forum less and less (mebbe it is time ccp renamed it the general whine forum hehe ) Resized tag... again... hope this pleases the tag ninjas from ccp... again :p
Di Jiensai Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:49:00 - [16] Agreed, although, i'm running a little bit low on faith at the moment after loosing yet another ship to a nos domi. CCP Please, Please, with sugar on top, let me fly ships again without cap injectors. Just HATE it, if i HAVE to fit these suckers, but at the current state of PvP, its fit a Cap booster or die. i hate it. so, please do fix nos. P.S. Did i mention that i hate cap injectors? P.P.S and nos? P.P.P.S Please fix. P.P.P.P.S and good job in general, but please fix nos.
Pelsson Amarr Northern Intelligence Artificial Intelligence.	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:58:00 - [17] they are doing a great job. I will buy each of them a beer downtown, IF they can warp scramble me at the clubs next weekend.
Nex Angelus Caldari Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner	Posted - 2007.03.05 12:01:00 - [18] I would have to agree with the OP. There's waaaaay to much whining on these forums.
Jastra Gallente Gallente Venture Inc	Posted - 2007.03.05 12:08:00 - [19] As with most online games, this game would be much better without the general discussion forum.
Ealiom Blackhole Entry Point	Posted - 2007.03.05 12:09:00 - [20] @Nex Angelus My god man I almost had a fit trying to pronounce your corporation. Thanks for the posts guys, tis a good thing to show CCP our support. There should be some type of Dev relief fund. Something stressed Devs can dip into to find some solace. Like a player funded beer tank. I fear though after the last few months it would be bled dry in minutes. Executioner Model Blackbird Model
Gilbert Drillerson DarkStar 1 Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.05 12:09:00 - [21] CCP definetely deserves a lot of praise for eve, not only for comming up with the concept originally but also for the implementation and for the first couple of years. I have been playing eve for a little over three years and I have to say that I am not 100% happy with the way the game has taken in the last year or so. Mainly I think CCP could have handled a number of growth related issues better: Petition response times have risen from days to months A lot of gameplay related tuning have been done to help server performance and stability, I especially HATE the huge leadership nerf that happend with Kali, basically HUGE impact gameplay wise and no impact to server stability... quite the opposite. Same can be said about contracts replacing Escrow, in some respects an improvement but at the cost of overview, I can no longer find anything or go shopping for fun. Kali content was cut back to VERY little compared to what was planned, the patch was a stability disaster and many VERY old bugs was left in game while new ones was introduced. I could go on but i guess most of us knows all this anyway :) I LOVE Eve and CCP, I spend my hard earned cash on more accounts than i care to admit and I will probably continue to do so.... but I do hope CCP will find their way again... as it is right now I feel a little abandoned to be honest. Dont get mad - Get even
Joebarchuck	Posted - 2007.03.05 12:19:00 - [22] CCP is handling many issues well but for sure some problems are rising and recurring. Also, many parts of the game is getting old and no matter how much I like Eve, I will quit is new graphics are not coming this year. We also need a lot of new options, features, mods, etc... So, thank you CCP for the great game but get back to work.
Nero Ya'ng Caldari YaFa Empires	Posted - 2007.03.05 12:33:00 - [23] This Game Rocks !!!! i really love the game. Islanders rock :P
Redbad Minmatar Be Inspired Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.05 12:34:00 - [24] I wholeheartidly agree with you Ealiom! A lot of posting on these forums is way out of ordinairy communication civil people would do in their normal lives (at least in my surroundings). CCP/ISD has my blessings to go a bit more "Paladin" on these threads. join us today!
Inquisitor Berthez Arcana Imperii Ltd. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.03.05 12:55:00 - [25] I love this game and I really hate to see things I love get screwed up so badly so regularly. I will give CCP a break when they give us a break. No sooner, no later. .
CaptianBlack Minmatar Nightmare Holdings Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 13:00:00 - [26] there are some things i dislike about the game. there are some things i love about the game. but the whining as almost comming across now as personal attacks,but i've been playing for over 3yrs now,so CCP must be doing something right to keep myself and over 100k others playing... if you don't like what there doing, then voice your opinion on the forums, but try to do it in a constructive manner. remember, manners cost nothing. i used to read the forums everyday, catching up on all the latest news and info, now i hardly read them at all.. what's that old saying: you can please all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but never all of the people all of the time... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/c/capblak.htm
Urias Donnan	Posted - 2007.03.05 13:01:00 - [27] I love this game really. No one is forcing no one to play, so if you think something sucks, then quit. Oh, wait, you can't cause you are addicted. So, stop whineing about the game. Only thing that I don't like about CCP ppl is wrong informing. If you can't fix it till 15.00 or something, then say it's gonna be back in 15.00, not 12,20, then 12.35, then 13.30... Yes, I am addicted and I wanna play this great game.
Philip Jones Gallente Crystal Ship	Posted - 2007.03.05 13:02:00 - [28] I also have faith in CCP and the brilliant game they have produced. The game will be constantly in development and therefore there will always be a problems as they seek to make the game better/ add more content to the game. All i would like to see though is realistic estimates for when the server will be up and ready. Ladt night was another example, as is today. Why say 'See you in 20 minutes', if that is not a reasonable response time for the server to be up? I would rather them say 2 hours, or 3 hours etc. This would give themselves more time and less pressure they put on themselves; and leave me managing my time better than coming back to seee if the server is up. This is not a whine. All companies must give themselves a realistic time plan to do something in and this would stop more whines about people not having a longer skill on, etc....
Heliocon	Posted - 2007.03.05 13:35:00 - [29] Amen to this I love eve its a great and unique game. Really the customer support and stuff is pretty good I havent waited any longer then 3-4 days for any petition info ect. Whinning and trolling wont help here it only discourages people we shoudl all keep a positive civil and helpful attitude and if we do that things will get done. Show me another game with the scope complexity excitment and fun of eve and I will love you so far I have found non. Keep up the work devs!!! PS great thread OP.
Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 13:51:00 - [30] /signed @ the OP. i'm getting sick of all the whineing, it used to be amuseing but now its just getting boreing. -
Zaribeth Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.03.05 14:00:00 - [31] Edited by: Zaribeth on 05/03/2007 13:57:07 I agree with the op. This has gone way too far, if it continues people are gona get banned. I ask for all in eve to stop writeing and think for a sec. CCP have made what i consider the best game i have ever played. Been playing for over 2 year's now, and i am not gona stop. If you get tired, just leave. You will come back eventually. We all do :) TY cpp for the best game out there :D
Buxaroo Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.03.05 14:37:00 - [32] Agreed. Try playing any other MMO. Look at SOE. Look at how they raped SWG. Look at the forums there......nothing but whining. But then again SOE deserves it. But CCP are truely a great company who actually care about their game. If you don't beleive that give me an example of another MMO with communication and response times from the devs and gms. And the reason why the petitions are taking so long is because every jerkoff who lost a ship is petitioning it, even if it wasn't lag. Having said that: I do think the servers need to be more speedier when it comes to fleet battles. Hell, who doesn't think that. Large fleet battles are not fun at all. To me they should just get rid of all the gang bonuses if your gang is over 40+. I would rather have no gang bonuses and lag-free fights than that extra 10% armor etc. The escrow system is not fun at all like one of the psoters said above me. I like to browse for things. I have found some things I never heard of before just by browsing. It's WAY to much of a pain in the ass to browse anymore. But other than those problems and a few minor ones, CCP are at the top of their game. If you think otherwise then show me another MMO on ONE shard that is better....
Demonic Embrace	Posted - 2007.03.05 15:36:00 - [33] Edited by: Demonic Embrace on 05/03/2007 15:34:59 Originally by: Kihnada Try playing games like WoW - where server hiccup means 8 hours up to 3 days offline. Did you play the first day it came out and never play again or something? I've had a petition in for near a month before I got a response here in EvE. As you said, you're new. You can slide, this time..I'll be watching for your "WTF CCP" posts soon. As far as the OP's post goes: No, they don't deserve a "break". There are a lot of other reasons people are a bit more angry about CCP and the things they are doing. Yah they made a great game, too bad what they are doing now is going to ruin it all.
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.03.05 16:00:00 - [34] Lets take a differentiated approach to this. I appreciate all the work that CCPs developers, DBAs, network people, ISD and all are doing keeping the cluster running. And I wholeheartedly agree that they deserve a big thanks - people who are being paged out of bed (such as some days ago) and I won't say a bad word about the handling of last nights db issues. Yes I posted a rant about the login queue but that in the heat of the moment and a kinda self-ironic response to my own stupidity of jumping right before downtime. So on that front, thanks CCP for great work beyond the call of duty. I'm paged out of bed for servers myself and know how that sucks (and maybe they're not even paid for it - I know I am not ) But at the same time, I definetly criticize how CCP runs Eve in the long run. Gameplay decisions aside I can find absolutely no understanding anymore for, say, the fact that the forums still have constant hickups and swallow every second post for as long as I play Eve and probably a lot longer. I have no understanding for including features such as invention, which are by all accounts from what I read broken to the point of being unusable. And I could list a million other things - some of them that would be really quick to fix, such as certain UI issues. Or petitions that run several months - again the DMs and ISD are doing a great job and probably beat the monkey as fast as they can (and they are an outstanding example of friendliness and helpfulness) but it seems someone should add some manpower to that department or come up with some creative ideas (more creative than limiting the number of active petitions to two). Talk UI features. I play Eve for more than a year and I'd have thought they'd build something in that time that lets me set a status (such as "afk" or "busy") for my corp mates to see. After all this is 2007 but nope. Same with evemail which is very basic to say the least (try eve-mailing two people at once). Or fixing the broken cut/paste (e.g. in bookmark descriptions). Or updating the base prices (its about time) to make insurance worthwile again and not just an entry on a feature list. Nope - the basic UI features and basic gameplay mechanisms see very little improvement indeed. "Contracts" got bolted on (in a so complicated way that NONE of my corpies could figure out why my private contracts would not work) but thats about it, and small changes get touted at the biggest thing since sliced bread (or at least as the reason for patches). Its kind of difficult to voice it but the eve UI really feels a lot like a database client with spaceships than a game (prime example: repackaging ships looses insurance for no gameplay reason at all but because it fits the database schema - its so obvious and could be worked arround easily, for the sake of useful insurance). If CCP wants my respect and endorsement back then Eve should stop being run by the marketing department - adding new festures is fine as long as there is some improvement on the old ones, and foremost as long as the new stuff WORKS (again - contracts, new region roids etc.) All that doesn't even begin to touch the more personal (aka flame-target) aspects of ballancing, gameplay (23/7 omgwtfbbq gate camping etc) and so much more. I for one (flame me if you must) KNOW that the grass is greener on the other side, I've played other games that IMHO did a much better job in that area. p.s. if anyone wonders, I still play Eve (because I invested a lot of time) and hence you can not have my stuff just yet. But that does not mean that I hate to love Eve. -- CCP: PLEASE fix the forum software - thanks.
Ealiom Blackhole Entry Point	Posted - 2007.03.05 16:12:00 - [35] No trolling please. Ive been in EVE since Beta and I also play WoW Azjol-Nerub European server. So I think I have a good say on just how bad Blizzard are and how well CCP manage there game. You have a wee search on the Azjol Server and then come back here with the same comments. That server has had nothing but problems from day 1. Executioner Model Blackbird Model
Ysolde Xen Minmatar Liberal Trading Co Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.03.05 16:20:00 - [36] Originally by: Wild Rho Have to agree with the OP. The attitudes from some of the people here recently have been a disgrace. It seems some people have forgotten that they can simply cancel their subs and walk away if they are really THAT bothered by everything. There's criticism and then there's just being out right obnoxious. More recently the latter seems to be becoming the norm. This post neatly sums up my thoughts exactly. EVE players are becoming spoiled. They seem to think that all other MMOs exist in some magical utopia of no downtimes ever, perfect psychic communication and other such things. In my experience, CCP outperforms the other MMO makers I've come across by a mile. The door is that way ---> Ta ta! ----- Everyone knows Derek.
Ealiom Blackhole Entry Point	Posted - 2007.03.05 16:25:00 - [37] CCP are not some mammoth game designing engine. They are a relatively small team of incredibly dedicated folk. Blizzard have the manpower of a small country and yet still cant offer the same dedication to its game and paying customers as CCP can. Likewise there creeky old server rarely see any love and all this time they are raking in the big bucks with massive smiles on there faces. I don'T want to sound as if im attacking Blizzard but its the easy target to distinguish good Devs from bad ones. Most of the changes you stated actually sound quite good to me. I had never thought of having an AFK option to be honest. Never really found the need for one. But i can see its a good idea. So im sure you can imagine that if i have been playing this game forever and never found a need for it many times many more folk wouldnt have either. Post your ideas and if they are good they WILL be used. Definetly not right away but one day yes. I would think due to EVE's relatively small customer base CCP have to look at the future to ensure we all want to keep playing whilst attracting new customers with its fancy new looks and features. So I think you should forgive them for not giving every small detail the attention it deserves. Invention may be borked at the moment but read the blogs they are on it and it sounds promising and a helluva alot better than the current BPO lottery. Executioner Model Blackbird Model
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.05 18:30:00 - [38] I dissagree with the opinion of giving CCP a 'break'. We are paying customers, and as such have a right to complain when things are broken. While I still like EVE more than I hate it, the answer is not in changing our player expectations. The answer is in fixing the problems in a timely manner, communicating the status of issues, and above all in FAIRNESS to all (and FAVORITISM to NONE.) The question is how long CCP can go on without alienating enough of its player base to make it go broke. It is my sincere hope that things improve and this great game keeps getting greater. But I can easily see the other extreme happening, and EVE collapsing into obscurity. It is a challenge, and the job of CCP, to keep this game great. Therefore don't expect me to be standing behind the Devs and giving them shoulder rubs while cooing in their ear about how great they are. I refuse to let someone rest on their laurels, at least while I'm paying for their services.
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2007.03.05 18:36:00 - [39] Whining is the price you pay for having a great vision executed poorly. Its also causes fanbois physical pain. And someone got his GTCed CNR back within 24h due to threatening to cancel his 3 accounts, so it works. Something that helps you get stuff, and punishes evil people -> win.
Roger Waters Wise Guys	Posted - 2007.03.05 18:47:00 - [40] I'll signe that one, CCP should get their pads on their backs everyonce in a while.
Lord Slater Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.03.05 18:50:00 - [41] Yea give CCP a break FFS [kisses Devs butt] After all CCP is a small software company and considering what they have achieved they deserv ower praise [Rubs nose in butt] Everyone should just take a break from the forums and get some perspective [Cleans browns stuff off nose] ----------------------------------------------- YYAARRHH HAHAHA IM THE HAPPY PIRATE
Ealiom Blackhole Entry Point	Posted - 2007.03.05 19:54:00 - [42] What do i have to gain from any of my opinions regarding CCP in this thread? I have 5 accounts to my name so i feel my wallet twitching as money is taken from me each month. If this game wasn't entertaining and damn right thrilling id shut my wallet tight. Dont like this game? want to endlessly complain go play WoW and give yourself something to complain about. Last couple of posts are example1: That even EVE is home to sad flame throwers. This thread will likely be ruined by said saddos before it can disappear with any sort of dignity. I should say im not surprised. Good job CCP and thanks to those who leant there support, ill leave this thread alone now. Executioner Model Blackbird Model
Renegade316 Gallente Gallente Federal Bank Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 20:19:00 - [43] Thanks CCP for the best 3years i have had in a MMO and will be hear for much longer. keep it up just ignore the whiners
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.03.05 20:23:00 - [44] Who wins the whinage contest? a) The guy that whines about something. b) The guy that whines about the guy that whines about something. c) The guy that makes a whole new thread about guys a & b? /funny off Now, seriously. If there's something we don't like, we mention it and talk about it. You may dismiss it as whinage if you like. You may suggest that people just quit and "walk away" or cancel. But not everyone's a quitter. Some people try to work out the issues discusing possible solutions and proposing ideas. Sure, some just whine/rant/flame. But that's the first step: recognising that there is an issue.
Athren Soulsteal Gallente Intergalaxy Salvage And Repair	Posted - 2007.03.05 20:51:00 - [45] First off when CCP deserves a break they get one, when they don't it's the responsibility of every player to slap them in the back of the head and ask "WTH were you thinking!" The only why anything gets improvied is by pointing out the problems. What you call a whine the rest of us call QA. If you go buy a hamberger and it is given to you partally cooked on moldy bread do you point that out (whine by your POV) or do you accept it, pay your money and come back tomarrow hoping for better? Only if you file a complaint can you expect for the service to ever get better. After four (yes going on 4 years now)years of EVE I have seen more good come from the so called whinage than the ignore the problems attitude fanbois and yes men. Give CCP a break, yes when they deserve it, but every decision they have made of late seems to be a slap in the face for the average and causal players. Quote: Think about the people that did fight you fairly. Think.... that were honorable and helped you out in times of need. Those are the real heroes of EVE. I wish I could fit all the Quote
Gone'Postal Minmatar LuthorCorp Combat Division	Posted - 2007.03.05 20:57:00 - [46] CCP staff are better then any MMO on the market. Much <3 CCP however are also bad at a lot of things. Yes they may beat WoW hands down... But I'm not playing that. 2nd try and posting this.... -------------------------------------------- Welcome to the best slideshow on Earth!
Rudy Metallo Minmatar G.H.O.S.T	Posted - 2007.03.05 21:00:00 - [47] Edited by: Rudy Metallo on 05/03/2007 20:58:12 YE! Originally by: Ysolde Xen Originally by: Wild Rho Have to agree with the OP. The attitudes from some of the people here recently have been a disgrace. It seems some people have forgotten that they can simply cancel their subs and walk away if they are really THAT bothered by everything. There's criticism and then there's just being out right obnoxious. More recently the latter seems to be becoming the norm. This post neatly sums up my thoughts exactly. EVE players are becoming spoiled. They seem to think that all other MMOs exist in some magical utopia of no downtimes ever, perfect psychic communication and other such things. In my experience, CCP outperforms the other MMO makers I've come across by a mile. The door is that way ---> Ta ta! /signed
BhallSpawn	Posted - 2007.03.05 21:16:00 - [48] Lack of transparency from the recent problems(we all know what I'm talking about)causes frustration and anger. So when little hiccups happen its just another thing to add to the list. "and above all in FAIRNESS to all (and FAVORITISM to NONE.)" Amen to that.
BhallSpawn	Posted - 2007.03.05 21:18:00 - [49] "After four (yes going on 4 years now)years of EVE I have seen more good come from the so called whinage than the ignore the problems attitude fanbois and yes men. Give CCP a break, yes when they deserve it, but every decision they have made of late seems to be a slap in the face for the average and causal players." And Amen to that too.
Samirol Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.03.05 21:20:00 - [50] ccp needs to get their **** together http://www.iknowderek.com/
Lamic Tarvalla Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.03.05 21:20:00 - [51] I'm going to be hitting my 3 year mark next month, I've logged into this game almost everyday. And almost everyday with the exception of Big patch days, or the "every Tuesday patching" of old, the server has is up and running. I think if I counted all the times there was a full day of the server down I would still have a few fingers left. That's a huge credit to CCP. I have a few friends that play world of borecraft and they tell me of the awful customer service, the half-ass repair work to the server(s) I gladly well continue to send me 15bucks a month to CCP, even with the past issues over the last few weeks.
Lord Slater Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.03.05 22:46:00 - [52] Originally by: Samirol ccp needs to get their **** together [Gives an angry look] Go away troll this is an ass kissing thread GGGGGRRRRRRR ----------------------------------------------- YYAARRHH HAHAHA IM THE HAPPY PIRATE
Jack Target	Posted - 2007.03.05 22:59:00 - [53] Keep up the good work CCP! And best of luck to 'The Enslaver', their new GM!
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.03.05 23:05:00 - [54] Originally by: 000Hunter000 Sometimes i get the feeling that only the whine threads get any response at all. Either from pro or anti whiners. if someone does post a serious question it gets snowed under and ends up 3 pages further in a matter of hours. I noticed i'm reading the general forum less and less (mebbe it is time ccp renamed it the general whine forum hehe ) Yeah that is the pitfall of having a Dev team and a company in general who communicates with it's player base on a regular basis. The whines tend to get a little louder because the whiners feel that the Devs are here 24/7 to wait on them and address all of their complaints. My last MMO, DAOC, didn't even have an official forum. All game discussion was done on VN boards and the Devs never posted there. The only other "communication" was the Team Lead program which was a total joke and I won't go into why here because it would take too long to explain. Lets just say that the players never really get to talk to anyone except themselves about game issues in DAOC. Personally, I would like to thank CCP for keeping the communication on the level in which they do. They have made some mistakes and haven't handled everything the way we all would like to see sometimes but I would take CCP and EvE over any other game out there.
Actanna Levh Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.03.05 23:16:00 - [55] I agree. My impression is that, especially on the forums, CCP must endure endless complaining and a lot of arrogance from players. One trend which I dislike is people pushing their agenda with regard to their own in-game income streams. I cannot count the number of threads I have which boil down to ôHow dare CCP nerf myà(insert cash farm).. if this continues any further I shall quit taking myà. accounts and so shallà. other subscribersö Some examples: low sec agents, mission loot, NPC belt spawns?, static complexes, T2 ôcartelsö, access to invention, NPC corps, etc. This often comes with the argument ôI am a paying customer thereforeà.ö (CCP should cower before the might of my $15 and do back flips to avoid my wrath) This is not to say everything is perfect, only that CCP already works hard, which is often forgotten. The eve community seems quite fanatical and it must be quite nerve wracking for the developers to introduce changes which the community will be able to dissect, publish the workings of and critique, with great speed.
Dark Kavar Caldari Even-Flow	Posted - 2007.03.05 23:41:00 - [56] signed Kind of like the Triforce in Zelda, only not quite as potent.
Nachshon Caldari Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.03.06 01:07:00 - [57] I find that CCP seems to listen a lot more to the players than in other games. True, they're not perfect, they need to do better, but they are doing pretty well. __________________________________________ What I say should not be taken as the position of Gradient or NMTZ. Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship.
Alannis	Posted - 2007.03.06 01:17:00 - [58] Originally by: Gilbert Drillerson CCP definetely deserves a lot of praise for eve, not only for comming up with the concept originally but also for the implementation and for the first couple of years. I have been playing eve for a little over three years and I have to say that I am not 100% happy with the way the game has taken in the last year or so. Mainly I think CCP could have handled a number of growth related issues better: Petition response times have risen from days to months A lot of gameplay related tuning have been done to help server performance and stability, I especially HATE the huge leadership nerf that happend with Kali, basically HUGE impact gameplay wise and no impact to server stability... quite the opposite. Same can be said about contracts replacing Escrow, in some respects an improvement but at the cost of overview, I can no longer find anything or go shopping for fun. Kali content was cut back to VERY little compared to what was planned, the patch was a stability disaster and many VERY old bugs was left in game while new ones was introduced. I could go on but i guess most of us knows all this anyway :) I LOVE Eve and CCP, I spend my hard earned cash on more accounts than i care to admit and I will probably continue to do so.... but I do hope CCP will find their way again... as it is right now I feel a little abandoned to be honest. QFT + recent 'honesty' issues.
Sgt Blade Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.06 01:23:00 - [59] hmmm yes tbh people are either over reacting or just want to make a scene.... there few mins of fame sort of thing if people were actually that peed of with the game/ccp/exploits/omg hacks then they should really quit the game and find somthing that makes them happy... at the end of the day its a game and your suppose to spend your monies on fun.... not to play this and think this suck ill post a few times and carry on playing for another year.. i mean you wouldnt go out and buy a tv and if it dosnt work you will jsut right a few letters and phone calls but still keep hold of it to try and see if it gets better lol if its gets fixed fine... nothing to complain about then but it it happens again... you would think again if you should really buy a different brand of tv wouldnt you.... i know i would for me eve is about life tbh... things get fcked up but you go in and try again... if it dosnt work adapt... but the main thing is have fun and if you the type of person who dosnt want to change with the game then go and play WoW or Guild Wars ooo and can i mention... errm please for those who have the T2 Caps Lock.... repro them cause they get nerfed next patch Hypnotic Pelvic Thrusting Level 5*
Alannis Gallente Fusion Enterprises Ltd The Fifth Race	Posted - 2007.03.06 02:19:00 - [60] I think the point a few people are trying to make is Eve is a great game, however there are some long term issues that need fixing. On a personal note I don't want to stop playing Eve, however I do want things fixing - especially with the several month petition queue. It's never a black and white issue and I think the community has a right to bring these issues to the attention of the Dev's. At the same time its awesome the dev's actually respond directly to the community.
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.03.06 02:37:00 - [61] Originally by: Sgt Blade hmmm yes tbh people are either over reacting or just want to make a scene.... there few mins of fame sort of thing So if I unanchor a lab and it flies away and I need to get a friend in a webbing-ceptor to catch it and slow it down till the industrial ship can get there ... and then I whine about it... I'm over-reacting? And then I'm going to access the ammo on the guns turrets but I can't... I whine... I'm over-reacting? Then I finally move everything to the new moon, I try to anchor the tower and it warps away 100km, i whine about it, I'm over-reacting? ...and the list continues... ehm.. nope, I don't think people are over-reacting.
Deliz Seemack Conics Corporation	Posted - 2007.03.06 03:17:00 - [62] Two words: Stockholm syndrome -He conquers who endures. -Never underestimate game companies' greed.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.03.06 03:35:00 - [63] They don't need a break... They need to fix the disturbingly simple and obvious, easy to fix looking bugs that plague this game... Fix the -really- basic stuff and I'll stfu. - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - - "186,282 miles per second; It's not just a good idea, it's the law."
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2007.03.06 03:48:00 - [64] Originally by: Deliz Seemack Two words: Stockholm syndrome Thread won!
Magnum III Journey On Squad	Posted - 2007.03.06 04:26:00 - [65] Ok, CCP you are cool, I like this game and that is that. Thank you.
Agrus Kassin	Posted - 2007.03.06 04:46:00 - [66] Edited by: Agrus Kassin on 06/03/2007 04:45:05 I love this game or I wouldn't keep sending my $15 pat on the back to CCP every month. Or I should say that to the best of my recollection I love this game. My only real beef is all the down times in my prime time. Up to an hour scheduled DT fine because we know it's there. Granted when DT is in the middle of your evening game session that is over 2 active weeks of Eve you lose each year but what the hell. After every patch and with increasing regularity between patches we are getting longer down times. What does that mean to a working stiff like me in Sydney. Try this: Every evening when you sit down to play Eve, stop. Do not log in for a full hour. Then roll a dice. If you roll a one or a six do not log in for the rest of the night. If it is a Tuesday do not log in for the rest of the night if you roll a 1, 3 or 6. If it's a Tuesday and the first week of the month don't bother with the dice, just don't log in for the evening. Keep that up for a couple of months at least (or 2 years if you like). Note how many skill changes you miss and try running even just one POS while you do it. Am I happy about it? of course not. Nobody would be but the fact is I like the game enough to still pay my subs for when I can get on the servers. If you want me to be happy about it get CCP to at least spread maintenance around other time zones or try and get it all done in one night a month. I already know the standard Eve community response to all this off my heart. "Move country and play WoW". Silly as that comment is if Eve actually had a serious competitor in Sci-Fi MMOs that was online in my timezone I would have to give it a very serious look. But that's not what I'd prefer. It is easy to complain about complainers when you don't have the dirty end of the stick. Try a bit of empathy and get that dice out. Edit: Signed Telemicus Thrace. Default character my ****.
Lady Amira	Posted - 2007.03.06 05:58:00 - [67] Edited by: Lady Amira on 06/03/2007 05:55:54 I used to be a regular "forum warrior" several alts posting to a whole load of different threads and generaly debating just about anything the forums had to offer. Now I rarely read or post to the forums because the whinage got a bit too much for me to stomach. Every little thing that goes wrong generates 20 threads about it. Every big thing that goes wrong not only generates a couple of thousand threads about it but people hijack every thread around and whine there too. It really wouldn't surprise me to see a few people in ships and modules channel debating say the relative advantages of autocannons and blasters when all of a sudden someone would jump in and say "yeah but CCP need to sort out the BOB HAX thing" right out of the blue. So I have mostly left behind the forums and carried on playing this great game that CCP have made. I'm taking a break from the game for a bit soon. My first real break in three years. I'm off to play some single player and non MMO games for a bit. I used to complete every game I brought except the ones that really sucked. Since I joined Eve the only two games I have completed are Half Life 2 and GTA San Andreas. I have a stack of uncompleted and even unopened games on my shelf that I have brought since I joined the pod pilot community. Will I come back to Eve? Absolutely Its had almost as much play time devoted to it as every other game I've ever played put together. /edit Oh and almost forgot. Well done CCP for the best MMO i have ever played.
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.03.06 09:43:00 - [68] Originally by: Ealiom CCP are not some mammoth game designing engine. They are a relatively small team of incredibly dedicated folk. Blizzard have the manpower of a small country and yet still cant offer the same dedication to its game and paying customers as CCP can. Yet one pays, IIRC, as much for playing WoW, made by huge Blizzard, as one pays for Eve. But thats not the point, and I am not even saying CCP should charge less - just deliver a bit more in some areas in a much more timely manner. Totally off topic, the ONE grief I have with charges is that a second account costs as much as a first - why not give dedicated players a rebate for second accounts? Sure, the "two for the power of one" came up but a very time limited offer (which is long gone now) for a time limited discount that, if the player likes it turns into a perpetual full-price account soon thereafter - thats just another prime example of the marketing dept running the show. But I want to elaborate a bit on the "grass is greener on the other side" argument and take up the "CCP is a small shop" line of reasoning. I KNOW I will get flamed from this point on but here is goes: Consider "Guild Wars" for example. Yes, I know. Its not an MMO technically (despite the fact that its on #1 at mmorpg.com last time I checked). But it has no huge world but instances for small parties. So lets NOT look at downtimes (which is has none of) and lets even NOT look at patching (which works a LOT more seamless with GW in my experience) or responsiveness of the game client because thats all related to Eve running a huge chunk whereas GW runs a lot smaller chunks and more on client-side. Lets look at comparable aspects of: 1. UI IMHO (and everyone is free to disagree) the Guild Wars UI feels a LOT more slick. I rarely have the feeling that I am playing a beautified "database interface" with icons. Its extremely customizable and it doesn't have ANY of the hickups that, say, the overview has all the time. Again, the UI (for example) has a very slick contact list that works a bit like say MSN, where people can be "away" - lets face it, Eve's contact list is a joke for an MMO in 2007 and I remember text-based multiplayer games 10 years ago where I could set an afk message. 2. QA Again in my experience GW has a LOT better QA than Eve - sorry CCP. Sure, there was the big row about a hero not being in the game but lets just compare: How many blueprints were (or are) not even seeded in Eve? DED relations skillbook anyone? Apart from that, and balancing issues aside, I never had one of the (totally seamless) patches break anything I noticed (again, anyone is free to object if their mileage differs). -- CCP: PLEASE fix the forum software - thanks.
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.03.06 09:44:00 - [69] (continued) 3. Storylines, Artwork. It always itches me when its touted as the greatest thing to have some new region or a new spaceship. When GW adds an expansion it has NEW LANDSCAPES with all new textures and no two places look alike in the same way that all(!) Eve star systems are the same only some have a different background image. How much effort to design a new continent with landscape, villages, items, character types, armor, scripted missions, cutscenes (and again QA all that) vs. "designing" some new solar systems with the same stations and belts thrown in? Yes I know the majority of the work is in enabling the server side and cluster to scale and support that but nevertheless - the amount of new artwork in, say, RMR or Revelations so far, frankly, is a joke compared to other games. 4. Community Response Players ask for pet infusion. Pet infusion implemented. Players ask for a way to stop the "lfg" spam. New "group wanted" interface implemented. Players ask for material storage. Material storage implemented. Players ask for special festivity item storage. Solution for that implemented. I could go on and on. Again everyone who thinks different speak up but IMHO they listen a LOT more to the community than CCP and/or implement stuff faster (with some few exceptions). Having the community manager appear in-game at times for chats and evidently LISTENING to people is also a nice thing. And btw, if you ever play GW, compare Christmas ("Wintersday") in GW to Eve ... or helloween or chinese new year. Quests, different textures, loads of extra items, special arenas and match types vs. 10 snowballs which were taken away from me recently almost as surprisingly as they appeared. Now, here's the catch: Is ArenaNet (maker of GW) a smaller shop than CCP? I honestly don't know. The ANet page (not sure if I am allowed to link to it) lists 113 people - including management, QA, artists, designers, coders, community manager, writers etc., seemingly everything but customer support. But then that team makes not one game but several (lineage, auto assault etc). I have found no numbers for CCP to compare. But they recently merged with White Wolf, none of them is publicly listed to my knowledge, and hence I don't believe that CCP is significantly smaller than, say, ArenaNet. Yes I know GW has a different business model but if anything they have LESS revenue from the player base (not everyone who uses their servers and bandwidth buys the expansions AT ALL so no fresh cash infusions from every player, a GW expansion retails for say 45 bucks ideally every 6 months (ideally - not even that) which is the cash CCP makes in about four months of Eve subscription and CCP forks no cash to retailers. So sorry, the bottom line of this long rant is that the "small shop, give them a break" argument just doesn't cut it for me. -- CCP: PLEASE fix the forum software - thanks.
R3dSh1ft Caldari FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.06 09:53:00 - [70] the stability of eve has been a lot better the past year, in terms of the server actually staying online, these incidents have been few and far between. there are 2 major performance downers though that are the problem 1. Uncloak lag 2. Descyncs are much more common now ______________________________________
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.03.06 10:04:00 - [71] Originally by: R3dSh1ft the stability of eve has been a lot better the past year, in terms of the server actually staying online, these incidents have been few and far between. there are 2 major performance downers though that are the problem 1. Uncloak lag 2. Descyncs are much more common now How about every time I fly into some gate camp there is no effing way to save the POD because of the well-known lag after ship explodes? Easy to replicate. There. 3rd major item for the list -- CCP: PLEASE fix the forum software - thanks.
Lluthiunne Kriss	Posted - 2007.03.06 10:16:00 - [72] Edited by: Lluthiunne Kriss on 06/03/2007 10:21:24 Blah blah blah Guild Wars. Guild Wars is created as one large fixed world with all the content in it from day one. There is no economy - well nothing more rudimentary than WoW's and no escalating pitch wars for land/space. Its all fixed. That is why they can do it with a small team The create one game and its done, they patch it its done they dont have to worry about what the player will do with those new toys because its a closed system. No monthly fees, no there isnt but how do you think they pay for the servers. The hope that you buy all there expansion packs thats where they get the money from. EVE = no charge per expansion. Besides Guild Wars hasn't been out as long as EVE and i can gaurentee EVE will still be around after Guild Wars bellies up. Persistant developing galaxy with a dynamic player base vs a fixed world with fixed player actions. Which one do you think needs more people to run duh! The point i think the OP is trying to get across is that CCP have a huge task ahead of them and always will. The muck up they get stuff wrong but they love there game and are totally dedicated to it. It pains me as well to see so much whining and yes there is a difference from constructive debate and criticism to the uber whining thats so prolific on this forum at present. If thats what he means then [SIGNED]
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.03.06 10:22:00 - [73] Edited by: Cheyenne Shadowborn on 06/03/2007 10:19:35 Originally by: Lluthiunne Kriss Blah blah blah Guild Wars. Guild Wars is created as one large fixed world with all the content in it from day one. There is no economy - well nothing more rudimentary than WoW's and no escalating pitch wars for land/space. Its all fixed. That is why they can do it with a small team The create one game and its done, they patch it its done they dont have to worry about what the player will do with those new toys because its a closed system. No monthly fees, no there isnt but how do you think they pay for the servers. The hope that you buy all there expansion packs thats where they get the money from. EVE = no charge per expansion. Besides Guild Wars hasn't been out as long as EVE and i can gaurentee EVE will still be around after Guild Wars bellies up. Persistant developing galaxy with a dynamic player base vs a fixed world with fixed player actions. Which one do you think needs more people to run duh! If you would have actually READ my post you would find EVERY SINGLE THING you just said both anticipated and acknowledged and either debunked, or it doesn't matter because the points I chose for my argument don't relate to the "big cluster" vs. "small instances" scenario. And how is a multitude of effects and skills that interact exponentially less complicated than Eve's model? You see people do things that were not anticipated by the devs all the time in GW PvP builds. They just happen to deal with it better (but again thats my opinion). But as for the shallowness of the points you make as a response to my post, thats about the level of reasoning I have come to expect on this forum, so no worries -- CCP: PLEASE fix the forum software - thanks.
Lluthiunne Kriss	Posted - 2007.03.06 10:35:00 - [74] Yeah cos saying ohh that weapons a little too powerful lets drop it a few points is the same as regulating markets etc etc. I would agree that CCP can be quite slow when such things as nano-domi's are whizzing around. But it isnt just modules there having to look at - Like Guild Wars!
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.03.06 10:41:00 - [75] Originally by: Lluthiunne Kriss Yeah cos saying ohh that weapons a little too powerful lets drop it a few points is the same as regulating markets etc etc. I would agree that CCP can be quite slow when such things as nano-domi's are whizzing around. But it isnt just modules there having to look at - Like Guild Wars! Just another moot point. I never mentioned the market at all for making my point. Yes, Eve has a more complicated market than GW (its still far from working well btw). But since you insist: How about fixing insurance? Thats not hard. An intern could put updated static(!) base prices into the database within a day or two based on recent sales averages and make that game mechanism that is there for some reason worthwhile again. No magic required. Does CCP do anything? No. Do they comment on insurance (a feature that makes sense for a small minority of ships only) EVER? No. THAT is the stuff where I ask CCP to fix it or at least be RESPONSIVE and that is _NOT_ whining. Besides, a REAL market would have dynamic base prices but I am realistic enough to know that this would be insanely hard to implement. I don't ask anything impossible from CCP, just to fix the easy things within reasonable time. -- CCP: PLEASE fix the forum software - thanks.
Crydawner	Posted - 2007.03.06 10:55:00 - [76] Originally by: Lluthiunne Kriss Edited by: Lluthiunne Kriss on 06/03/2007 10:21:24 Blah blah blah Guild Wars. Guild Wars is created as one large fixed world with all the content in it from day one. There is no economy - well nothing more rudimentary than WoW's and no escalating pitch wars for land/space. Its all fixed. That is why they can do it with a small team The create one game and its done, they patch it its done they dont have to worry about what the player will do with those new toys because its a closed system. No monthly fees, no there isnt but how do you think they pay for the servers. The hope that you buy all there expansion packs thats where they get the money from. EVE = no charge per expansion. Besides Guild Wars hasn't been out as long as EVE and i can gaurentee EVE will still be around after Guild Wars bellies up. Persistant developing galaxy with a dynamic player base vs a fixed world with fixed player actions. Which one do you think needs more people to run duh! The point i think the OP is trying to get across is that CCP have a huge task ahead of them and always will. The muck up they get stuff wrong but they love there game and are totally dedicated to it. It pains me as well to see so much whining and yes there is a difference from constructive debate and criticism to the uber whining thats so prolific on this forum at present. If thats what he means then [SIGNED] enough of the gws hate mate :) i'm just saying that NCsoft made something incredible with guildwars. Fee-free, lagless, insanely varied PvP, the best balancing i have ever seen in a game made all the more remarkable by the amount of skills, super-fast patches, no downtime, reliance on skill not time played...You see? Eve has the potential to be incredible, a huge persistent player-driven universe with all that entails, but it's not at the moment. way, way too much lag. it's that simple imho. and as for guild wars making ya pay, well, all 3 expansions cost me ú60, this game costs ú11 a month, after 6 months, guildwars is cheaper for 3 entire games (at least in pve content wise)... I only compare them because, even as they are both different games, both have substantial playerbase claims of being the best pvp mmo on the web and that's begging for a pvp fight between the two, and guild wars simply wins. sorry to burst your bubble and all, keep comparing this game to that warcraft crap. and as for escalating content, well, there's always...the guild wars themselves! anyhow, am fighting loads of rats atm and can't write coherently...but ccp should not be given slack, eve should not be compared to wow because that's too easy, compare it to real pvp games. i think eves only issue is lag, tbh. get rid of lag and eve will explode.
Lluthiunne Kriss	Posted - 2007.03.06 11:14:00 - [77] I dont hate GW far from it in fact its a breath of fresh air. Im just saying that you cannot compare it to EVE they're chalk n cheese. Also that eve and CCP are trying to juggle a whole lot of balls at once whereas GW doesnt have half as many. lol i just have a sorry image of CCP with 20 balls in the air frantically juggling away while the forums scream at them - DROP IT MF DROP IT. The plain fact of the matter is that CCP are all over EVE and they are trying there damndest to give us all the game they envision and there isnt another group of devs on this world with as many balls in the air attempting to deliver such a complex game. I only compare it to WoW cuase its the market leader not because its an easy target (which it is) I dont have nearly enough experience of GW's to comment on its pvp. But im of the understanding that you dont lose anything when you die ?!?! If so that is a major turn of for me - I want to know ive hurt my enemy. personally i kind of see it like CCP are a 4 yr old who have made us this ellaborate birthday card from scratch. Theyve used all there crayons and glue found all these sparkly bits to sprinkle on. Its a labour of love and effort, then the Forum dad scowls over the top of it and scoffs WTF is this. Too much Yellow here dumbass and whats with this thread ** here. ** in the bin it goes do better next year or youll feel the back of my hand.
Crydawner	Posted - 2007.03.06 11:39:00 - [78] Edited by: Crydawner on 06/03/2007 11:36:49 gah multipost.
Crydawner	Posted - 2007.03.06 11:40:00 - [79] Originally by: Lluthiunne Kriss I dont hate GW far from it in fact its a breath of fresh air. Im just saying that you cannot compare it to EVE they're chalk n cheese. Also that eve and CCP are trying to juggle a whole lot of balls at once whereas GW doesnt have half as many. lol i just have a sorry image of CCP with 20 balls in the air frantically juggling away while the forums scream at them - DROP IT MF DROP IT. The plain fact of the matter is that CCP are all over EVE and they are trying there damndest to give us all the game they envision and there isnt another group of devs on this world with as many balls in the air attempting to deliver such a complex game. I only compare it to WoW cuase its the market leader not because its an easy target (which it is) I dont have nearly enough experience of GW's to comment on its pvp. But im of the understanding that you dont lose anything when you die ?!?! If so that is a major turn of for me - I want to know ive hurt my enemy. personally i kind of see it like CCP are a 4 yr old who have made us this ellaborate birthday card from scratch. Theyve used all there crayons and glue found all these sparkly bits to sprinkle on. Its a labour of love and effort, then the Forum dad scowls over the top of it and scoffs WTF is this. Too much Yellow here dumbass and whats with this thread ** here. ** in the bin it goes do better next year or youll feel the back of my hand. i could waffle on and on about guild wars till a pipe appears in my mouth and a rocking chair comes out my arse, so i'll just agree with you! ^.^ and no, you don't lose anything when you die :) the game is simply about a players knowledge of the 10 professions skills and their ability to use/counter. it's very much just a computer game, where as eve...well eve is not 'just a game' in the traditional sense. chalk and chese :)
Pesadel0 Vagabundos THE H0RDE	Posted - 2007.03.06 11:51:00 - [80] To the OP ,you are whining against whiners ,what do you think that makes you? As for the whining must stop ,the question i make is why?If i were a DEV if i didnt see my game's forums filled with whines with some passion i would know that the game i'am producing isn't worth a ***. "The time i quit whining is the time i quit the game,i whine because i CARE" But i agree with you there is whine and there is the "accusations",tin-foil they said ,but some of the tin-foils were true.Guess what sherlock people felt cheated not by alliances or players but by the DEVS our "fathers".Yes CCP did make some progress with "issues" hello arkon ,but some people feel cheated still. The question i put to the whiners that whine against the players that felt cheated is this : What form of expression would you use against the past events whiteout cancelling our subs? Bottom line is we still love the game and were is love there is hate involved . Deal with it. I was sworn to absolute secrecy BY CCP.*
KaerBerohs	Posted - 2007.03.06 12:01:00 - [81] I rarely completly read any thread on these forums for the obvious reasons, but this thread got my atention since I've seen some talk about stuff they have to clue about what they are talking. So I was on the first 50 beta testers for EVE, I remember the "world" being 7 systems only and having a login limit of 20 testers! After that long time beta testing EVE, I decided I wanted to try something else for a change. I took up online FPSs and formed one of the top teams in the world and even if we were winning for something like 20-0 (normal scores would be 8-2) we would still be whinning to each other, because we got to such a competitive level that we wanted more every time, that pushed us to trying being ever better. When it came to a point where personal skill just CAN'T get better, you start pointing your finger at whatever is left, in this case, the game engine. We whined about the game engined not registering hits as it should, whined and whined. Didn't get us anywhere and we ended up leaving, not because the game was broken but because it stopped being fun and it was required (by ourselfs) that everything had to be perfect. We totally lost the sense that it's a game! Having left the FPS, I then moved back to MMORPG, I played Earth & Beyong, Starwars Galaxies, City of Heroes, Lineage 2 (these last two from the same developer of Guild Wars). Being so, I have alot of experience in this games, and I can just tell you out right that EVE is far "bigger" than all of those put together! But I'll start explaining my points of view. First off, comparing Guild Wars is just stupid. It's not a MMORPG! The only massive thing you have is chatting, and that you can manage with a simple IRC server! You can't compare any sharded game with EVE! The mere complexity of the market on eve is probably bigger than everything else in Guild Wars! Guild Wars is the "low end" of Lineage 2, and believe me, because I've played it! Lineage is great indeed and one of the best games I've ever played but it lacks complexity and deepth in it's gameplay. In EVE it's not just another corp war, it's not just another ship. You can LOSE real money! In lineage, if another player attacks me and I dont want to fight, I just stand still and let him kill me. I lose nothing and he gets flagged as agressive and other players can kill him and he will lose some of his precious gear! There's limitations to what you can do and those limitations dont exist in EVE! Another "small" thing, is that the universe in eve is about 50x bigger than the whole Lineage world... on all servers put together! I can walk from one end to the other in a couple of hours... I can't go from one end of the eve universe to the other in a day even! Get some perspective before even comparing EVE to other games that dont have 1/10th of the features. Features in eve are applied to a massive universe and not some shard! The seamless updates you get on GW is because of that, because it's simple to upgrade a server when noone is playing on it! They simply put a server out, thus, no instances will be created on it and upgrade it if they need. That can't happen in EVE cuz having full redundant hardware for these amounts of players is just crazy! Comparing responsiveness of the developers? I really can't cuz I never really got any responses from the developers from NCSoft or any other game for that matter! I think the players in EVE are something like my baby brother, a spoiled brat that can't stop complaining about not getting what he wanted! And thinking about comparisons, the only way you found of making any sense was to separate small items. Comparing the lag alone on EVE with GW is simply stupid. Compare the hundreds of things you have in eve that you dont have in GW for a change! Get some perspective please and stop making comparisons that can't apply! I liked working with CCP in the beta and I value all the work that has been done with this game! HAVE FUN <--
Inquisitor Berthez Arcana Imperii Ltd. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.03.06 12:30:00 - [82] Originally by: KaerBerohs ...They simply put a server out, thus, no instances will be created on it and upgrade it if they need. That can't happen in EVE cuz having full redundant hardware for these amounts of players is just crazy! Comparing responsiveness of the developers? I really can't cuz I never really got any responses from the developers from NCSoft or any other game for that matter!... These amounts of players?? EVE has a real hard time to cope with only 30,000 players. WoW, GW etc. are played by millions! I find this something to be ashamed of. Even though other games might not be as database heavy, they still have to cope with millions of 'light' commands. If the EVE team can't handle 30k players they should hire more help and get better equipment. As for the customer service of NCsoft, I always got a reply within 24 hours on any issue. .
Lluthiunne Kriss	Posted - 2007.03.06 12:39:00 - [83] Originally by: Inquisitor Berthez These amounts of players?? EVE has a real hard time to cope with only 30,000 players. WoW, GW etc. are played by millions! I find this something to be ashamed of. Even though other games might not be as database heavy, they still have to cope with millions of 'light' commands. If the EVE team can't handle 30k players they should hire more help and get better equipment. As for the customer service of NCsoft, I always got a reply within 24 hours on any issue. EVE has the largest game universe [read the top ofthe page] WoW has or did have around 3000 players per server i think they may have doubled that now. But its still a far cry from 30,000 people. Oh yeah and those 30,000 are all doing things far more complex that collecting your 30 monkey turd or whatever else your told to collect.
Kasahara Steel Frontier Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.06 12:58:00 - [84] Rawr CCP doing great job, and i second this post :P
Grismar Gallente Vertigo Corp Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.06 13:08:00 - [85] First off: Yay CCP. With that out of the way, I would like to say to the whiny part of the EVE playerbase: get a life. EVE is a game. You pay a monthly fee to play this game. Unless you're paying months ahead for whatever reason (the only good one I can think of is that you like the game and what CCP plans to do to it), it means you can quit any month. Cancel your account, give away your goodies to some newb and be done with it. Plenty of other games out there. You do not pay CCP to maintain a world to somehow replace your pitiful existence in what is commonly referred to as 'real life'. The fact that you have been paying CCP for X months already doesn't give you any more rights than a player that just started paying CCP yesterday. It's a -game-. You pay for access to it every month. You can stop doing so any month. If the game changes and you don't like the changes: let your wallet do the talking (and I don't mean 'buy isk' here). If the game doesn't change enough and you don't like it: quit. Maybe come back a little later to see if CCP got the message. If you're like me: report a bug from time to time and help out CCP in improving a game that most of the players think is awesome. Your EVE IGB home: EVE Wiki, Explorer, Navigator
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.03.06 13:09:00 - [86] The fact that GW isn't the same "one cluster" design as Eve still does not mean that one can not look at unrelated items (again, such as the sucky quality of the UI or the forums or community response or other), which for the gazillionth time have NOTHING to do with whether its a big cluster universe or a small sharded design and conclude that someone else does a better job. And it would be nice if the "fanboys" understand that achievement in one area is NOT a token that guards against constructive criticism of shortcomings in the game in all other areas for eternity. The fact that the eve universe is huge doesn't mean a thing. I can (in the DESIGN stage) clone a solar system a gazillion time and throw some fugly stars in and some stations from a small pool of 3D models and win the guiness book of records entry. That still doesn't change the fact that a) DESIGN WISE the world of GW is hand-crafted with a LOT more variety and visual appeal, and b) if the end result lags uncurably and is so hard to manage as it seemingly is then maybe it just fundamentally doesn't scale as well as it is needed for a game to be fun. This will likely be my last post on the subject, I've made my point and I have better things to do than to argue with a generic "ccp is so nber" stance that some people have on the subject, one can't reasonably argue with that. Fly safe. -- CCP: PLEASE fix the forum software - thanks.
Lluthiunne Kriss	Posted - 2007.03.06 13:15:00 - [87] P.S. I dont agree with you Berthez .......... but .... your sig .... it *****s me up everytime i see it!
Lluthiunne Kriss	Posted - 2007.03.06 13:20:00 - [88] Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn The fact that GW isn't the same "one cluster" design as Eve still does not mean that one can not look at unrelated items (again, such as the sucky quality of the UI or the forums or community response or other), which for the gazillionth time have NOTHING to do with whether its a big cluster universe or a small sharded design and conclude that someone else does a better job. And it would be nice if the "fanboys" understand that achievement in one area is NOT a token that guards against constructive criticism of shortcomings in the game in all other areas for eternity. The fact that the eve universe is huge doesn't mean a thing. I can (in the DESIGN stage) clone a solar system a gazillion time and throw some fugly stars in and some stations from a small pool of 3D models and win the guiness book of records entry. That still doesn't change the fact that a) DESIGN WISE the world of GW is hand-crafted with a LOT more variety and visual appeal, and b) if the end result lags uncurably and is so hard to manage as it seemingly is then maybe it just fundamentally doesn't scale as well as it is needed for a game to be fun. This will likely be my last post on the subject, I've made my point and I have better things to do than to argue with a generic "ccp is so nber" stance that some people have on the subject, one can't reasonably argue with that. Fly safe. Not fanboi uberism just looking at it realistically. Your not grasping what im saying to you. EVE is HERUUUGE they have many things to do and fix the UI is only one of the things needing some love - only one. They have to keep there eye on and fix tons of stuff sometimes that means forgetting about something to concentrate on something else. I agree with you it does need some love - but for every one of your requests there are hundreds more that need 'done' EVE is a big place and there isnt enough hours in the day and enough people behind there computer screens to give it all to you now. But one day maybe yes! Read the blogs im sure the UI is getting some loving soon tm.
Lluthiunne Kriss	Posted - 2007.03.06 13:20:00 - [89] Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn The fact that GW isn't the same "one cluster" design as Eve still does not mean that one can not look at unrelated items (again, such as the sucky quality of the UI or the forums or community response or other), which for the gazillionth time have NOTHING to do with whether its a big cluster universe or a small sharded design and conclude that someone else does a better job. And it would be nice if the "fanboys" understand that achievement in one area is NOT a token that guards against constructive criticism of shortcomings in the game in all other areas for eternity. The fact that the eve universe is huge doesn't mean a thing. I can (in the DESIGN stage) clone a solar system a gazillion time and throw some fugly stars in and some stations from a small pool of 3D models and win the guiness book of records entry. That still doesn't change the fact that a) DESIGN WISE the world of GW is hand-crafted with a LOT more variety and visual appeal, and b) if the end result lags uncurably and is so hard to manage as it seemingly is then maybe it just fundamentally doesn't scale as well as it is needed for a game to be fun. This will likely be my last post on the subject, I've made my point and I have better things to do than to argue with a generic "ccp is so nber" stance that some people have on the subject, one can't reasonably argue with that. Fly safe. Not fanboi uberism just looking at it realistically. Your not grasping what im saying to you. EVE is HERUUUGE they have many things to do and fix the UI is only one of the things needing some love - only one. They have to keep there eye on and fix tons of stuff sometimes that means forgetting about something to concentrate on something else. I agree with you it does need some love - but for every one of your requests there are hundreds more that need 'done' EVE is a big place and there isnt enough hours in the day and enough people behind there computer screens to give it all to you now. But one day maybe yes! Read the blogs im sure the UI is getting some loving soon tm.
Marshall Knight Ardent Industrial Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.03.07 12:12:00 - [90] Thought id reply to the guy with the pod probelm when killed turn off blink on your mail its the blinking from getting a mail of your ship destroyed that will cause you to lag if you turn it off 9 times out of 10 you can warp out in ya pod with out lag or so i found anyway and a few others have found

CCP Sharkbait	Posted - 2007.03.07 13:43:00 - [91] hmm, ok. basically i don't read the forums that offen because i do work as much as i can on eve and seeing whining all the time kinda makes me wonder why i used to read the forums daily. probably shouldn't say that, but hey i say alot of stuff i shouldn't as to the original poster and many of the others, all i can say is thx for the support. it does mean alot to us. this is the 1st forum that i read every post this year, so i decided to answer and quote a few people. Originally by: Ealiom However I felt bad reading his final comment before he unlocked the thread. "unsticking and unlocking. flame away if you must" it was a mad night, i was phoning loads of people to get stuff sorted but in the end Valar was able to sort it. Tbh i expected alot more flaming than we got, might have been because i was posting information as it was available that the flaming was an altime low. Originally by: s4mp3r0r I actually feel they are handling the hardware issues better than a year or more ago. It's the other stuff i'm not pleased with. this is very true. everytime something bad happens we don't stop at fixing it, we try to put something in place that will alert us to it happening before it does again, but however this isn't always possible. Originally by: Buxaroo And the reason why the petitions are taking so long is because every jerkoff who lost a ship is petitioning it, even if it wasn't lag. you have no idea how true this is. some people petition every ship loss. some of us in the office do PVP and there has been times where we have killed someone and they petition it saying the node was lagging or something. it's not funny tbh as it effects alot of people. Originally by: Gone'Postal CCP staff are better then any MMO on the market. Much <3 CCP however are also bad at a lot of things. this is very true, we are bad at alot of things. but we are trying our best to suck less and become as good as humanly possible at those things we are bad at. Originally by: Jack Target Keep up the good work CCP! And best of luck to 'The Enslaver', their new GM! thx for the support. i have passed this on to both "the enslaver" and Arkanon. Originally by: Lluthiunne Kriss Oh yeah and those 30,000 are all doing things far more complex that collecting your 30 monkey turds or whatever other hoop Blizzard has you jumping through. quote] i lol'ed

Ealiom Blackhole Entry Point	Posted - 2007.03.07 15:41:00 - [92] Originally by: CCP Sharkbait As to the original poster and many of the others, all I can say is thx for the support. it does mean alot to us. this is the 1st forum that I read every post this year, so I decided to answer and quote a few people. Becoming more jaded with the General Whine Discussion Forum I thought it best to voice a small anti-whine resistance . In all seriousness though good job. I further cemented my support for CCP last night by whipping out the credit card and purchasing another two accounts. (If my girl finds out im a deadman There are pods and clones in real life right........right?!?!?!) Originally by: CCP Sharkbait Originally by: Lluthiunne Kriss Oh yeah and those 30,000 are all doing things far more complex that collecting your 30 monkey turds or whatever other hoop Blizzard has you jumping through. i lol'ed Lluthiunne says anytime. She digged deep into the epic book of 1001 World of Warcraft Jokes and gripes for that one. Fly safe all! Executioner Model Blackbird Model
Ashiana	Posted - 2007.03.07 16:20:00 - [93] Originally by: Shameless Avenger Originally by: Sgt Blade hmmm yes tbh people are either over reacting or just want to make a scene.... there few mins of fame sort of thing So if I unanchor a lab and it flies away and I need to get a friend in a webbing-ceptor to catch it and slow it down till the industrial ship can get there ... and then I whine about it... I'm over-reacting? And then I'm going to access the ammo on the guns turrets but I can't... I whine... I'm over-reacting? Then I finally move everything to the new moon, I try to anchor the tower and it warps away 100km, i whine about it, I'm over-reacting? ...and the list continues... ehm.. nope, I don't think people are over-reacting. Wow, when they called them *Mobile* labs they weren't kidding? In seriousness, I hope you petitioned that one and they believed you.
Br0wn 0ps	Posted - 2007.03.07 16:31:00 - [94] I have complete faith that CCP are trying their best to correct the problems that they become aware of...both ingame and out-of-game. They still have the best game on the market, bar none unless you are a carebear who doesn't want to risk anything, and were way ahead of their time when EVE came out. I think they have made great strides in game improvements, and have much more improvements coming into the pipeline (mostly because they DO play the game they love). So, keep up the good work CCP. Now, to ensure that this isn't a fanboi post, CCP does have a lot of areas that they need to improve, and I will try to be constructive here. GM consistency is one of the biggest non-game areas that need to be addressed. Results of petitions for the same incident, but different players, depends totally upon the GM that worked the petition. This is unsatisfactory. Transparency in GM actions would go a long way into addressing that (one of the ways to begin that process is to allow players to talk about situations and GM responses). Another thing that could be done, is CCP keep a public list of what GMs have characters in what alliance/corp, so that if there is any question as to the response a GM gave, it could quickly be seen if there is a possible conflict of interest there. That sort of transparency would quickly restore some lost faith, I think. Having said that, I don't think there is any reason to prevent GMs or Devs from playing the game in the highest levels of a corp or alliance (I mean, they are developing/supporting the game we love, so it only makes sense that they get to enjoy it too), as long as their actions are tracked, and cheating dealt with harshly.
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.03.07 16:50:00 - [95] Originally by: CCP Sharkbait this is very true, we are bad at alot of things. but we are trying our best to suck less and become as good as humanly possible at those things we are bad at. Quote of the year. Thanks for all of your efforts. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Sarf	Posted - 2007.03.07 17:33:00 - [96] /signed Keep up the Wicked good job CCP! http://codesmyth.net/eve-guide/ Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Suboran Gallente Sphinx Inc	Posted - 2007.03.07 17:38:00 - [97] as far as im concerned CCP do an amazing job, far better than other companies cough SOE cough and that has shown through this brilliant game.

CCP Sharkbait	Posted - 2007.03.08 10:05:00 - [98] Originally by: Br0wn 0ps Another thing that could be done, is CCP keep a public list of what GMs have characters in what alliance/corp, so that if there is any question as to the response a GM gave, it could quickly be seen if there is a possible conflict of interest there. That sort of transparency would quickly restore some lost faith, I think. this is a fair point tbh, but i don't think it's needed. i do alot of stuff ingame, looking into server issues, looking into player issues and addressing issues that come up and the GM's can't deal with. i offen pick people from the help channels and try to help them so they don't have to file petitions, but there has been times when someone in the same corp as me has problems and needs help, when this happens i do not get involved unless asked to by a GM directly. i stay well away. and i also know that when a GM opens a petition and it's from the same corp/alliance he is in, he just passes it to another GM who is on duty. none of us ever address issues from people who we are in the same corp/alliance and it's not worth us doing so.

Br0wn 0ps	Posted - 2007.03.08 12:01:00 - [99] Originally by: CCP Sharkbait Originally by: Br0wn 0ps Another thing that could be done, is CCP keep a public list of what GMs have characters in what alliance/corp, so that if there is any question as to the response a GM gave, it could quickly be seen if there is a possible conflict of interest there. That sort of transparency would quickly restore some lost faith, I think. this is a fair point tbh, but i don't think it's needed. i do alot of stuff ingame, looking into server issues, looking into player issues and addressing issues that come up and the GM's can't deal with. i offen pick people from the help channels and try to help them so they don't have to file petitions, but there has been times when someone in the same corp as me has problems and needs help, when this happens i do not get involved unless asked to by a GM directly. i stay well away. and i also know that when a GM opens a petition and it's from the same corp/alliance he is in, he just passes it to another GM who is on duty. none of us ever address issues from people who we are in the same corp/alliance and it's not worth us doing so. It's not necessarily the petitions from players in the same corp/alliance that worries me (and others), its the ones where the player is in a corp/alliance with negative standings to the petition worker's characters....where the GM possibly has a vested interest in the outcome. For instance, if I were to lose a mothership because of something beyond my control, and should easily qualify for a reimbursement, but the GM that worked the petition is in a corp that, although not officially at war (CONCORD-wise), but is at negative standings with me, was to deny the petition because it was hurtful to my corp/alliance. I could then look at the list of GMs, see that he was in a corp that doesn't particularly like my corp, and request that the GM escalate the petition to a senior GM. If at that point, he refuses, a harrasment petition could then be sent in against the GM. Results: Simple, yet very effective, player driven enforcement of a sense of fairness. Not asking for the GM player character's names, just which corp/alliance that particular GM was in. For instance, a (purely ficticious) list would look something like this: -GM Painter has characters in Evolution [BoB], Hello Kitty and Imperial Academy -GM Drawer has characters in Omega Enterprises [D2] and Imperial Academy ... so, players in Omega Enterprises could look at this list and see that petitions answered by GM Painter have the possibility of being handled incorrectly based on ingame associations...and know, that in the interest of fairness to all, GM Drawer should not be answering their petitions.
Joerd Toastius Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2007.03.08 12:34:00 - [100] Originally by: Ashiana Originally by: Shameless Avenger Originally by: Sgt Blade hmmm yes tbh people are either over reacting or just want to make a scene.... there few mins of fame sort of thing So if I unanchor a lab and it flies away and I need to get a friend in a webbing-ceptor to catch it and slow it down till the industrial ship can get there ... and then I whine about it... I'm over-reacting? And then I'm going to access the ammo on the guns turrets but I can't... I whine... I'm over-reacting? Then I finally move everything to the new moon, I try to anchor the tower and it warps away 100km, i whine about it, I'm over-reacting? ...and the list continues... ehm.. nope, I don't think people are over-reacting. Wow, when they called them *Mobile* labs they weren't kidding? In seriousness, I hope you petitioned that one and they believed you. Look on the bright side. At least it doesn't chase you around the system and kill you when it hits you...
Lord XSiV Amarr The Nine Gates	Posted - 2007.03.08 13:06:00 - [101] Edited by: Lord XSiV on 08/03/2007 13:06:06 Originally by: Ealiom Originally by: CCP Sharkbait As to the original poster and many of the others, all I can say is thx for the support. it does mean alot to us. this is the 1st forum that I read every post this year, so I decided to answer and quote a few people. Becoming more jaded with the General Whine Discussion Forum I thought it best to voice a small anti-whine resistance . In all seriousness though good job. I further cemented my support for CCP last night by whipping out the credit card and purchasing another two accounts. (If my girl finds out im a deadman There are pods and clones in real life right........right?!?!?!) Agreed. I have multiple accounts all over the place doing various things and contribute quite a bit in relative terms of my 'entertainment' funds to help make sure the game keeps going. It is a small part, but that and promoting the game to friends and like minded individuals all helps. Even using the GTC selling for isk thing to help out the less fortunate players is a way to support the game. Unfortunately we shouldn't stop there. In fact a more proactive stance on these forums needs to be taken against the whiners. So, as I stated in another thread, I am going to be actively slamming any peon who posts hostility towards the game. Eventually they may get a clue that their negative posting isn't going to get them anything or lead to the downfall of this game. I highly doubt it, but if we can at least use their own tactics of drowning everything else out against them, the impression of the game they are trying to present won't look so bad. Reputation is critical to a small player like CCP in this game market and I for one don't want to see a bunch of inept cowards cause issues that hamper CCP's ability to continue to improve the game. Plus it is downright disrespectful what these airheads post and undoubtably has an impact on CCP staff morale. It could be a negative impact, or a positive one by giving something to laugh at during the day. :) Oh almost forgot - Ealiom, if she is already involved with your finances, just tell her that it is the perfect xmas/birthday/anniversary/<other event> gift to give you and because it was a timing issue, you had to make the call. Sometimes works :)
Loqui	Posted - 2007.03.08 14:08:00 - [102] /Signed There is a lot of whining on these forums but we wub you realy CCP! Thank you!
Ishtar1 Puppets on Steroids Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:04:00 - [103] Edited by: Ishtar1 on 08/03/2007 16:02:47 another big /signed I have absaloot(sp) faith in the staff at CCP imo there custmer service/comunity interaction is the best out there. I do think it is sad how much people whine at times when it is more than obveous how much the staff care about this game hell they care more than us its there baby but people will be people and will always bring up the past just gota close the thread before you start to read it and start pulling out your hair
Ja'kar Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals	Posted - 2007.03.08 16:19:00 - [104] yeah the whining is annoying but not as much as those that kiss arse and they are far more of them!
Ishina Fel Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:05:00 - [105] The problem with publishing a list of GMs player characters is the fact that these characters will immediately become unplayable. Their mailboxes and private chats will become besieged by desperate people who are willing to go to every length to make sure their suggestion of giving all Amarr ships 4 extra highslots and inventing explosive light waves gets through to CCP. Even if there's half a million CSPA charge in front of every mail. You better believe it.

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