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Flaming sambuka Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:42:00 - [1] I want shields completely removed from all armour tanking ships. It makes no sense that a ship that is built around armour tanking would waste resources on shields so lets get real and remove em! Makes sense for shield tankers to still have armour though ofcourse. /discuss...
Sokratesz Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:46:00 - [2] Edited by: Sokratesz on 05/03/2007 11:42:54 While your idea may be a bit too extreme, i do agree that a larger difference in shield / armor quantities on a racial level should be introduced. Like, for caldari, cut all armor in half and increase shield amount by 25%. (with a 25% increase in recharge time, too), and for amarr and gallente, the inversed. Minmatar should keep a bit of both. Suicide is bad, hmkay? (clickety clickety)
Kusotarre Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:48:00 - [3] Pointless. It kills setup diversity. I sincerely hope you aren't making this from an RP perspective...
Dahak2150 Chaos Monkeys	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:49:00 - [4] This isn't flamebait at all.... ---------------- If you're on IE, pretend this is transparent while you get a browser that supports .png.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:50:00 - [5] Originally by: Kusotarre Pointless. It kills setup diversity. I sincerely hope you aren't making this from an RP perspective... Setups diversity was killed with iStab introduction. -------- .....
Laughlyn Vaughns Gallente Lagos-Vaughn Industries	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:52:00 - [6] It makes sense that all ships would have the same 3 grades of defense as each other but other ships concentrate and improve on one aspect of it. It would be like not wearing a coat in winter because u have 2 sweaters and a t-shirt on, or wearign 2 coats and a shirt.
Flaming sambuka Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:52:00 - [7] Originally by: Kusotarre I sincerely hope you aren't making this from an RP perspective... No not at all. I dont see how it would kill setup diversity either... Think about the nano ships, all of them are armour tankers using the shields as a buffer instead of armour tanking like they should be which allows them to use nano & i-stab combo's to do stupid things. Trying to think of other reasons to justify this now...
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:54:00 - [8] Only if armour is removed from shield tankers as well. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:56:00 - [9] and how do you decide if a ship is a shield or armor tanker?? ----- Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! QFT!!
Flaming sambuka Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:57:00 - [10] Edited by: Flaming sambuka on 05/03/2007 11:53:45 Originally by: Rodj Blake Only if armour is removed from shield tankers as well. Well no, since the shield tankers still need armour for structure ~ its part of the ship.
Flaming sambuka Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:59:00 - [11] Originally by: Breed Love and how do you decide if a ship is a shield or armor tanker?? Shield tankers have more med slots than low slots, vice versa and bonuses to armour or shields kinda tells you which that ship is meant to be.
Kay Rissa Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:59:00 - [12] well, there r a few ships which could be armor tanked for one occasion, and shield tanked for the other. What u r gonna do about them ? Proud member of the Rage of Angels ps: i dont like to kill innocent ppl, so if i killed u, u rnt innocent
Liv Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.05 11:59:00 - [13] oh hell, why not get just one health bar to make things a bit easier? /irony off and if you d be serious about your idea you should think about shield tankers sticking to their hull, since more plates would just be senseless weight or do you really expect your tank to be broken?
Yarek Balear Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.03.05 12:00:00 - [14] Fail to see how this solves any problems. Just because one person thinks it a great idea because of some theoretical thought process doesn't mean it is. Consider Minmatar ships that while they aren't particularly fantastic at either at least they have the flexibility to choose depending on what they want to achieve. Removing shields or armour from either would render many of their ships even more useless...
Breed Love FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 12:01:00 - [15] Edited by: Breed Love on 05/03/2007 11:58:52 Originally by: Flaming sambuka Shield tankers have more med slots than low slots, vice versa and bonuses to armour or shields kinda tells you which that ship is meant to be. So curse and pilgrim are now shield tankers? and vaga is an armor tanker then huh. P.S. fleet tempest, which kind is it now? ----- Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker At this time I am more disgusted by the player base then with the dev to be honest! QFT!!
Flaming sambuka Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 12:05:00 - [16] Care to name a few ships this idea would hurt? Ofcourse ships like tempest, dominix & vagabond would be affected in a bad way, perhaps they could have special rules applied to them allowing them to do both? Or one or the other? But ships like the raven, eagle, megathron, curse, geddon ~ (most armour ships tbh) Would have no sheilds...
Sokratesz Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.05 12:05:00 - [17] did anyone even read the second post? if adjusted, it could be very cool Suicide is bad, hmkay? (clickety clickety)
Keruli Amarr Frontier Combine Inc	Posted - 2007.03.05 12:07:00 - [18] Quote: I want shields completely removed from all armour tanking ships. It makes no sense that a ship that is built around armour tanking would waste resources on shields so lets get real and remove em! Makes sense for shield tankers to still have armour though ofcourse. Quote: Well no, since the shield tankers still need armour for structure ~ its part of the ship rotfl the stupidoo of the year argument and basically you want that caldari be boosted even more...
Flaming sambuka Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 12:09:00 - [19] Originally by: Sokratesz did anyone even read the second post? if adjusted, it could be very cool I agree with it, perhaps for all ships this could apply EXCEPT to those ships that have bonuses to armour tanking. Something could be worked out.
Flaming sambuka Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 12:11:00 - [20] Originally by: Keruli the stupidoo of the year argument and basically you want that caldari be boosted even more... You know what they say if you havent got anything constructive to add? STFU! And no i dont want caldari boosted, im not caldari and cant fly any caldari ships and im not asking that caldari or any shield tanking ship be boosted in any way.
Bellum Eternus Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.05 12:13:00 - [21] Edited by: Bellum Eternus on 05/03/2007 12:10:49 Originally by: Flaming sambuka Originally by: Sokratesz did anyone even read the second post? if adjusted, it could be very cool I agree with it, perhaps for all ships this could apply EXCEPT to those ships that have bonuses to armour tanking. Something could be worked out. Just remove armor from shield tanked ships. It makes sense- all the shield tanking equipment/projectors etc. take up the space that would normally be filled with armor plate. After all, shield tanked ships should die once their shield is gone. Otherwise they're just waaay over powered like how armor tankers get this free buffer of damage. Please refer to my sig as soon as possible. It was implemented with persons such as yourself in mind. Everyone is having a stupid contest, and you're in first place! FIX RECON PROBES
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.03.05 12:14:00 - [22] It might be worth mentioning that shield tanks are 'forward loading' so to speak, ie: you press your shield booster and shields instantly begin to boost, but armour tanking is 'rear loaded' ie: you press your armour reppers and it runs a cycle before it begins to rep. Armour tankers need the shield buffer because they are rear loaded, you see your shields start to disintigrate and you whack on your repper before your armour starts to take a beating. In my opinion the op's idea is a bad idea
Leumas Ebmocnud Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2007.03.05 12:14:00 - [23] Edited by: Leumas Ebmocnud on 05/03/2007 12:11:39 So, Shield tankers should have shield armour and hull and armour tankers should just have the two? Sure thing, if you reduce the armor repping duration to 5 seconds. erm . . . . This is an awful idea, as has been said before what would happen to people who wish to armour tank their ravens?? ohhh yaaa, they would still be free do armor and shield tank but the armour tankers would be having their options removed from them. And to be honest with you, this is my sig.
Keruli Amarr Frontier Combine Inc	Posted - 2007.03.05 12:39:00 - [24] Quote: You know what they say if you havent got anything constructive to add? STFU! youre right i didnt add anything constructive, neither did you in the first place, so STFU! youre whole idea is a butt fart, decide either you want shields or amor on youre ships if you suggest such a "solution"...
Flaming sambuka Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 12:42:00 - [25] Originally by: Keruli Quote: You know what they say if you havent got anything constructive to add? STFU! youre right i didnt add anything constructive, neither did you in the first place, so STFU! youre whole idea is a butt fart, decide either you want shields or amor on youre ships if you suggest such a "solution"... Get a girlfriend.
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 12:54:00 - [26] I'm not going to flame, but I really, truly, think this is a bad idea. There's nothing wrong with the distribution of shields and armor as it is now. Forcing ships to specialise is going to kill any ingenuity their owner's had when fitting them, e.g: an armortanked Raven for ratting in Sansha space, or a shieldtanked Domi for doing missions vs the Angel Cartel. In PvP, I also fail to see what is wrong with ships not conforming to the stereotypical tanking setups, e.g: a plated Scorpion because you need all those midslots, or a shieldtanked (slighty) full-gank hyperion. Sokra's idea is more reasonable but still a step in completely the wrong direction. And I for one will btch viciously if anything like this is implemented. --- Originally by:* Foopadoo Hell hath no fury like an internet nerd scorned.
Arkanjuca Caldari The Edge Foundation Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2007.03.05 13:15:00 - [27] Originally by: Gneeznow It might be worth mentioning that shield tanks are 'forward loading' so to speak, ie: you press your shield booster and shields instantly begin to boost, but armour tanking is 'rear loaded' ie: you press your armour reppers and it runs a cycle before it begins to rep. but do you see the huge difference of the ammount repaired? lets take the Medium Shield Booster, and the Medium Armor Repairer MSB: 60en, 60hp MAR: 160en, 240hp gimme your repair ammount per energy and i will gladly give my cycle to you... "It,s a good day do flight"
Riho Gallente Red Wrath Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.03.05 13:19:00 - [28] Originally by: Flaming sambuka I want shields completely removed from all armour tanking ships. It makes no sense that a ship that is built around armour tanking would waste resources on shields so lets get real and remove em! Makes sense for shield tankers to still have armour though ofcourse. /discuss... why should shield tankers have armor ?? remove that and its kinda fair trade :P Great being Gallente... aint it ? ----------------- <------ Hijack free space :) -----------------
Shania Eria	Posted - 2007.03.05 13:20:00 - [29] lets remove gun slots from missile users too and remove the missile slots from khanid ships and make Ewar ships unable to use drones or guns or even missiles.. lets make it so you cant put small guns on medium gunslots and make it so large drones eat smaller drones in the cargo bay because they are dominant!
Shayla Etherodyne	Posted - 2007.03.05 13:30:00 - [30] Originally by: Flaming sambuka I want shields completely removed from all armour tanking ships. It makes no sense that a ship that is built around armour tanking would waste resources on shields so lets get real and remove em! Makes sense for shield tankers to still have armour though ofcourse. /discuss... of course?

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