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Garrack
Caldari
No Quarter.
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Posted - 2007.03.05 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Garrack on 05/03/2007 17:07:32
IT IS WHAT IT IS, PEOPLE.
Jeez, the whining drives me batty.
Is it an exploit? Meh. Not really. The game works this way. The developers are aware of it and haven't published anything saying "IT IS ILLEGAL FOR YOU TO MAKE MONEY DOING THIS", so...
Is it fair? Eh, not really, but... so?
That's really what it boils down to. It's not fair, it makes you mad, whah!
You know why I say "whah"? Simple. If you (or the person who started this thread or the 8000 others like it) got THEIR hands on the bpo, do you know what they'd do?
THE SAME THING EVERYONE ELSE DOES! Woot!
I don't have a Hulk BPO, but I can assure you if I got one, I'd be selling 'em for whatever people will pay for 'em just like eeeeeeeeeveryone else.
What's more is that if some other dipstick started putting hulks up for a "fair" price of 200M, I can assure you that everyone and their dog would be snatching them up and popping them right back on market for 600M.
It's the way of real life, it's the way of people, it's the way of Eve.
Get over it.
Hell, be enterprising. Buy up 3-4 hulks, wait a couple months and sell them at a 200M profit each. Well, assuming the market doesn't crash... but then, hey, worst case you can whine about that too!
Woot!
Eve is for whiners!
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Emperor D'Hoffryn
No Quarter.
C0VEN
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Posted - 2007.03.05 17:59:00 -
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everything is worth what its purchaser is willing to pay.
nothing to see here.
ill go out on a limb that eventually you will cave and buy one, cause you really want it, and then the prices will always be the same.
 Originally by: Snuggly
It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
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ScEmAl
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Posted - 2007.03.05 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Lucio
Given this blog and that I know someone who gained a Hulk BPO via the lottery recently, I think that Hulks were probably part of this price cartel that recently got smashed.
Would explain why the price wasn't falling....
I read the blog,, Only one HULK BPO has ever been sold afaik,, they are just too expensive to sell (nobody has enough money to buy one). Therefore I am reasonably sure we are talking about the Cap Charger II market. That and possibly the cloak market are the only price fixed items out there. There are not Hulk cartels out there,, I would have been contacted already. 
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Omber Zombie
Gallente
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2007.03.05 18:13:00 -
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i agree, hulk bpo owners are all splo1tin *****z and should be banz0red from eve*
*this may in fact be sarcasm with stupid l337 speak thrown in **
**well, it is really nothing more than that ***
*** yes, i'm exploiting you all and rolling around in my swimmingpool full of isk scrooge mcduck style.
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Aerykah Malegant
Camelot Innovations
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Posted - 2007.03.05 18:32:00 -
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Edited by: Aerykah Malegant on 05/03/2007 18:29:23
Hulks are on the the few high-priced items that are probably worth what you pay for them.
Yes, the people who produce them make a huge profit over build-cost. The people who use them, make back what they spend on them in a very short time. Contrast this with people paying billions for an item someone got dropped to them for free off an NPC rat.
Few ships or modules can boast the kind of return on investment provided by the hulk.
They sell for 600m because people willingly pay that amount for them. Why? See above.
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Xtro 2
Caldari
Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2007.03.05 18:56:00 -
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so before you could invent anything, were those same Hulk BPO owners exploting something, id say not, but now inventions possible, how does that make them exploiters, they have done nothing different from when invention wasnt possible.
Xtro 2 - Tactically Insane Tradesman.
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perfeus
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2007.03.05 18:59:00 -
[67]
You probably just knocked the hulk down a couple of pegs with this stupid title of yours.
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Nymos
Fimbulvintr
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Posted - 2007.03.05 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Shania Eria
true a hulk can earn its worth in high security space in about 80 hours of mining but seriously..
well, that is looking at absolute values. if you compare it to the performance of a covetor it suddenly takes much longer for a hulk to pay off because the hulk doesn't mine 50 times as much for 50 times the price. and in 0.0 just get someone to tank and mine away.
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Hypatia Iola
Caldari
Warhounds
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Posted - 2007.03.05 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Ya'ng
Originally by: Masochistic Cannibal
Even if there was a cartell or monopoly going on it IS NOT an exploit, in fact it's just good business sense !
Cannibal
LOL
tell me 1 game where you can advance more than 1 char at a time using only 1 account. this is even not possible in free games like Silkroad.
WoW... hate to say it, but you can. easily, in fact. now more than one @ one time on one acct: Conquer i believe. never played it myself, so can't swear to it, but i know that my friends used to leave their warriors/pally/whatever in the training area while we went to hang out.
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Pang Grohl
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.05 19:31:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Omber Zombie
*** yes, i'm exploiting you all and rolling around in my swimmingpool full of isk scrooge mcduck style.
Doesn't that sting? Seeing how ISK are electronic signals...
Just saying. 
Si non adjuvas, noces
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Vladikov Orrico
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Posted - 2007.03.05 20:22:00 -
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Quote:
Anyone who would NOT sell hulks for all they are worth is, in fact, not a good businessman and not one I would do business with.
So if a store closes down the street leaving you with a monopoly on the products you btoh sold, and you suddenly jack your prices up 30% just because you can (not because costs went up or anything....) you would rather do business with a person like that?
You worry me...
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Johnathan Roark
Caldari
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.03.05 20:32:00 -
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I am not going to bother reading the entire thread and just post a reply.
If its too expensive, then do not buy them. I am sure if you had a product either RL or Eve, you would sell it for the highest price you could get away with.
Invention is not going to effect prices as much as you are hoping for anyway.
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Crydawner
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Posted - 2007.03.05 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Vladikov Orrico
Quote:
Anyone who would NOT sell hulks for all they are worth is, in fact, not a good businessman and not one I would do business with.
So if a store closes down the street leaving you with a monopoly on the products you btoh sold, and you suddenly jack your prices up 30% just because you can (not because costs went up or anything....) you would rather do business with a person like that?
You worry me...
yes, but that store closed because of the fierce price war you were having with them, half your products were loss leaders, you even sold a kidney so your supply and spaghetti never ran out! heaven forbid you be known as the spaghettiless shop!
i think in such a case you'd be perfectly entitled to bump your prices up as competetion drives them down, down, down, and you ain't a charity.
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Dant Kramble
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Posted - 2007.03.05 20:45:00 -
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Edited by: Dant Kramble on 05/03/2007 20:43:12
Why do people play market-driven games only to ***** about markets?
Can CCP please spin off a kindergarten-level flash game where everyone gets Hulks or some super T5 magic Hulks and everything is fair?
Or why doesn't the OP just go and mine on the test server? Doesn't it have Hulks at 100isk?
If you hate markets and hate people and CCP is so awful, why in the world are you playing a CCP market-based MMORPG?
Yes, it would be nice for Hulks to be inventable, its a good idea I think. Yes, Hulk BPO holders are some darn lucky bastages. But why cry about markets in a market game?
My kids play a game you might be interested in. It's called Webkins and you get a teddy bear with every subscription.
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Steele Storm
Dark Zan
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Posted - 2007.03.05 21:01:00 -
[75]
My Godà
EVE has a free market economy. Prices are set at the selling parties discretion. ItÆs very simple. You donÆt want an item, donÆt buy it. Whining about these people who are lucky enough to have the BPOs will not change anything, and calling it an exploitàMy god the skewed definitions people are flinging around are hurting my head.
Yes the BPO holders are exploiting the players willing to pay the set amount for a hulk, however this is not an exploit in the game mechanics. DonÆt even begin to kid yourselves, if you held a BPO on a hulk you would be selling it at a competitive price that is congruent with the current market values.
Saying that these people are exploiting a bug to make money? TheyÆre cheating how exactly? Asking/pleading/begging/ CCP to make hulks available for invention is a noble cause. I would be right here with you chanting, ôMake them Hulks a Inventible, Miners will be Joy û Ful!ö (Yea so I suck making chantsà) while picketing in front of their office wearing nothing but suspenders and a top hat. ThatÆs great! But to attempt to say that the people holding BPOs are these evil genius types sitting in a dark smoke filled room slowly stroking their sedated white cat while cackling maniacally about people purchasing their overpriced hulks is not true. TheyÆre simply playing the market to their advantage. Everyone does it, they just are the lucky few.
"Win as if you were used to it, lose as if you enjoyed it for a change."
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
The Keep
THE R0CK
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Posted - 2007.03.05 21:04:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Ravelin Eb
Broken Supply and Demand system
Thread over.
fixed that for ya.
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Coveney
Caldari
Paxton Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.05 21:29:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Coveney on 05/03/2007 21:29:03
Edited by: Coveney on 05/03/2007 21:28:21
Edited by: Coveney on 05/03/2007 21:26:13
Considering that a bug or exploit is a mistake.
If you like comparing with real life, then you have to compare that players in eve will not mind paying the 600 mil for the ship. Why? because they can and do not bother about it.
And Eve economy work great of Offer & Demande. Its the trade of Eve. works like that since the start of the game.
You wanna complain about it? send an email to the dev.
You can't afford the price of the ship? then buy the other one.
In the end, Eve is a game and there are alot of ways to make money so you can buy yourself one.
Forgot one thing to ask you?
What would you do if you would be the only person in the game to get a BPO for anything in the game? what would be the price for the item it gives?
Place yourself in there shoes, because you would do the same thing they do.
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Big Al
Ki Shoda
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Posted - 2007.03.05 21:39:00 -
[78]
Blame the people that buy them, then prompty lose them.
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Shameless Avenger
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Posted - 2007.03.05 22:03:00 -
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Without being a T2 Producers fanboi (God firbid me), there's really no way to tell if Hulk on sale is being sold by it's produccer or by a trader/re-seller. |
Ashira Twilight
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Posted - 2007.03.05 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: UberDefDef
Gotta pay to be a carebear
Yeah, because....non-carebears?....never mine, rat, or do missions to finance pvp?
Mining is a source of income, just as ratting and missions are. It just-so-happens that the ships you fly were built using carebear minerals, carebear bpos, by characters with carebear skills. Unless of course, you only use an Ibis.
Myself, I'd rather shoot something that magically gives isk.
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Hellspawn01
Amarr
Falcon Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.05 22:28:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Halloitsme
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Lol, just lol.
Ok, seriously, you should get banned from the forums. You¦re just jelious.
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Maya Rkell
Forsaken Empire
The Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.05 22:31:00 -
[82]
Quite. A calm appeal to CCP to fix a bug..now that I might have agreed with.
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Snake Doctor
Guardians of Hell's Gate
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.05 22:34:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Halloitsme
The Hulk BPO owners.
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Why does the paying customer have to put up with this? Hulk BPO owners are making 10s if not 100s of extra billions EACH, over what they would have made if hulks were just inventable from day 1 of invention. It wasn't even classified by ccp as a bug when invention went live. Apparently the only non inventables were drones and T2 ammo, it didn't take long for people to figure out T2 barges wern't inventable either, apparently people figured it out before CCP did though.
Here's my response, or responses. Stolen, of course:
82. The flimsier the product, the higher the price
217. You can't free a fish from water
266. When in doubt, lie
Also, why charge 100, when you can charge 1000? :) 
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Coasterbrian
Loss of Sanity
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Posted - 2007.03.05 22:41:00 -
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Don't knock the BPO owners. They simply sell at the price people are willing to pay. "Sell cheaper" you say? Guess what? If the BPO owners sell cheaper, then margin traders will just buy them and mark them up to whatever market price is. Don't whine at the BPO owners for a mistake on the part of CCP. Kthx. 
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Loss of Sanity.
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Miranda Ceres
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Posted - 2007.03.05 23:51:00 -
[85]
The internet.
Serious business.
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Dark Kavar
Caldari
Even-Flow
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Posted - 2007.03.05 23:52:00 -
[86]
Originally by: UberDefDef
Gotta pay to be a carebear
Mining doesn't make you a carebear
Kind of like the Triforce in Zelda, only not quite as potent.
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Necronomicon
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.06 00:28:00 -
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Thanks for reminding me to sell my alt's Hulk for 590 mill before they fix this :D
Does mining really make me a carebear?....damn :(
Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
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Sgt Blade
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.06 01:06:00 -
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seems to be that somone cant get the best miner ship in gam so tehy whine about it untill tehy can  500m-600m isnt that much tbh if your a industry type char who has 0.0 access.... pays for itsself after afew hours seing as its a good enough ship to be able to tank the rats and mine your expected to pay abit of monies for it
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westernstab
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Posted - 2007.03.06 01:07:00 -
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It is no Exploit it is a free market Economy. The price is that high because people will pay for it that simple. If they lowered the price their wouldn't be more people with hulks just a mix of rich and poor people with hulks.
they will make invention work for hulks when they get around to it. until then I got a friend with a BPO and i am borrowing money form him. (he is not a DEV BTW i know him in real life)
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Smelly Kelly
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Posted - 2007.03.06 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: westernstab
It is no Exploit it is a free market Economy. The price is that high because people will pay for it that simple. If they lowered the price their wouldn't be more people with hulks just a mix of rich and poor people with hulks.
they will make invention work for hulks when they get around to it. until then I got a friend with a BPO and i am borrowing money form him. (he is not a DEV BTW i know him in real life)
Wrong, it's not a free market economy because the major factor that plays into it (invention) does not work for hulks. It is supposed to, and it's not even been documented by any member of CCP staff that it doesn't.
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