Ship it!

Till the hauler lights his cyno that is.
Till something comes through he can kill, followed by a ceptorfleet.
Till the ship turns out to be a deadspace death machine.
Till undersized guns.
Till another cloaky shows up and waits for the camper to make a move.
Till bait Nereus.
.....
no risk confirmed.

A deaspsace fit hauler that can outgun a Svipul - I'd like to see that fit.

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If this means I can no longer deploy a working bubble mid-way, between gates. No thanks.
Back to the drawing board. Perhaps link change to citadels, as this is how this has been exploited?

LOL.. you really live out there don't you.

Who's going to waste a cyno and fatigue on a Svipul ganking off a drag bubble?

Go ahead and make the change I'll just find a new way abuse the mechanic and so will everyone else.

Hi Space Friends,

The current range that warp bubbles are effective (how far from your destination they can pull you out of warp) is a little unclear. This has lead to some 'interesting' possibilities, such as bubble camping a gate with a citadel.

With the 118.7 patch, we are considering changing the maximum distance for a warp bubble (mobile, probe or hictor bubble) to effect a warp to be 500km.

This means only warp disruption bubbles that are 500km in-front or behind your warp destination, which are inline with your warp, will pull you out of warp early or drag you.

What do you think? We'd love your feedback!

Update 2016-07-04 - Q&A

Why not give us more bubbles including one that block nullified ships?
People ask for this for a long time.

If i have sov, why i cannot deploy a bubble that will block all nullified ships ?
Let say, separate type of bubble, that need to be entosised to work and block incoming nullified ships.

Perfect balance - no AFK game play.
You don't have entosis link running - there is no bubble - you apply entosis - you get anti nullification bubble.

Bubble need to be entosised to work, by adding simple modification that this module only works when both module and entosising person are from alliance holding TCU in system, we get pretty balanced mechanic.

You fought for the space, and conquered it - you get important benefits.

i think it would be better just to get citadels off gate grids

Can we get citadels closer to gates, like 50 km off tether range will be perfect.
If someone own the space he should be able to do whatever he likes.
EVE nullsec is sandbox - why add rules that negate this sandbox?

Rules don't negate the sandbox, but broken risk/reward situations can damage play in it. If you want to block of part of your space then put ships out there, at risk, and get shot at in return. You want to have Citadels as a bolt-hole then great, put them on-grid and warp to them if you need to dock up or repair, should be a fantastic defensive advantage if you use it correctly.

This was a troll, but troll to protect sandbox.

Balancing a ship or game is one thing, but balancing things to compensate someone lack of skill or willingness to learn is another.
Bubbles where never a huge issue, they provide a lot of game play options - and the only thing that is missing is the lack of killmails for them.
If we get kill-mails, roaming gangs will clear the gates by them self.

This was a troll, but troll to protect sandbox.

Balancing a ship or game is one thing, but balancing things to compensate someone lack of skill or willingness to learn is another.
Bubbles where never a huge issue, they provide a lot of game play options - and the only thing that is missing is the lack of killmails for them.
If we get kill-mails, roaming gangs will clear the gates by them self.

The unwillingness to learn is on the part of the people who are now seemingly unable to defend their space without an invulnerable citadel and a bunch of bubbles sitting off a gate.

On-gate Citadels are massive reward for zero risk, which is massively un-Eve, that's why they lose out here.

As for the idea that Bubbles just need kill-mails... that's ridiculous. Bubbles cost about as much as a T2 Frigate, and have about as much HP as a Carrier. No one wants to sit through the time required to kill even one, especially in hostile territory, let alone more than one.

Plus, if those bubbles are sitting on top of a Citadel, then no one is going to be able to sit around and kill them without dying. For a 20 million ISK killmail. That didn't itself shoot back.

Right, totally something people are going to actively do because that sounds like so much fun.

Bubbles are just like any other structure - except for the fact that they do not generate lossmails for the enemy. I know plenty of people who will sign up to go shoot a POS. I've known plenty of roaming gangs who will stick around to shoot MTU's after scanning them down. If it causes losses for your enemy and generates a killmail for you, people will do it.

Ahahaha, happy to help!



This is incorrect, they used to before grids were expanded. Now they're 1km drag-side and any distance incoming-side. This change is pretty much just about standardizing mechanics.

I would imagine there are also a few potential exploits involving grid-warping that this removes as well.

Many many many expansions ago, you used to be abel to put them in between gates and pull people out of warp.

Yup, but that was long enough ago as to not be relevant to this discussion.

No real reason to mess with the bubble anchor distance.

I disagree

Currently there are interdiction nullified ships present in the game, allowing for the avoidance of Citadel drag bubbles. Travel ceptors are unlockable and should be used to scout your routes. If you're travelling a route you haven't scouted, it should the defender who has the advantage.

Grids are currently 8'000km. Grids of this size would be not be fully utilized if we're only going to use 500km.

Warp disruption bubbles and drag bubbling allow for grid manipulation and control. The ability to change the terrain and manipulate it allows for interesting scenarios to develop based upon point of origin and setup.

Bubble camping a gate with a citadel only puts you in range of the PDS systems, as such small things (if you haven't scouted your) will be affected. If you have scouted your route, why are you warping gate to gate? Shouldn't you bounce from a moon, planet or anomaly to avoid bubble?

If you're bigger, haven't scouted, and land in the bubble depending on the ship you have you'll land in a warp bubble as normal and suffer the consequences.

Citadel camping, i.e being on a citadel with carriers and attacking people on the gate bubbles won't be fixed by this.
Being in a Citadel camping with the PDS smart bombs won't save you from a manned gate camp.

So in brief this change is an attempt to protect travel from manned gate camps. Which it won't prevent because apparently the smart bombs on citadels are too OP (which they aren't) on account of people traveling through space without scouting (which they shouldn't).

Does that about cover it?