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Intoccabile
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Posted - 2003.12.18 08:21:00 -
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Things were much better before Castor, CCP, please realize that rolling out massive changes shocks the system too much, also now the game is tedious and frustrating instead of being fun. I agree with many of the changes but their implementation was misguided and poorly planned.
So please rollback to 1254 and replan your implentation of changes to the game mechanics, roll them out more gradually AND they need much more testing that they received.
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Loud Bob
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Posted - 2003.12.18 08:41:00 -
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I can't understand why people are complaining so much. Yes there are a lot of changes. But these changes have made the game more realistic. You can't expect to be good at everything.
Mind you, as i have rarely ventured from empire space i am not qualified on saying how easy or hard it is in the lower sec regions.
However, as far as the npc rats are concerned they are just doing what the large corp's have been doing for ages, protecting all the good stuff with the best ships they can get togethor.
If you were in their place wouldn't you try to protect it?
Of course it will be near impossible for small corp's and freelancers (unless they have uber uber ships, equip & skills), but this is true in the real world.
I can hear you mumbling now 'but this is not the real world'.
Get over it, specialize in a trade (good, bad or ugly) your services will be appreciated in the long run.
I'm not saying this because I'm in a big corp or a pirate or have Uber skills etc. The only thing i can offer at the moment is my skills as a refiner. Ref lvl 5 Ref Eff lvl 5 All Ore Ref (upto Jaspet) lvl 1 And only getting higher.
My services are available (at a small price).
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Buddrow
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Posted - 2003.12.18 08:49:00 -
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please do not ramble on fourms. you think they take rolling back lightly, thats prolly the thing they should do LEAST. no, that in fact should not even be an option at all right now. ---------------------------------- "Give me but one firm spot on which to stand, and I will move earth." Archimedes c.287 - 212 BC
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Lysanne
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Posted - 2003.12.18 08:59:00 -
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heulsusen!
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Shock
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Posted - 2003.12.18 10:56:00 -
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Going back is always the worst thing to do. Better go forward, endure the difficulties and overcome them.
The old situation is gone, adapt already! --- soonÖ |
Artean
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Posted - 2003.12.18 11:00:00 -
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Rollback?
No, I love the patch.
(sure in need of some tuning though...) ........ There is a fine line between gate camping and just standing by a gate, looking like an idiot... |
Sarina
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Posted - 2003.12.18 11:24:00 -
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No rollback please.
But the programmers are in for a massive work to patch this up, theres just to many things they didnt consider the consequences of. My cruisers cant carry the new 10 unit MWD's at all without sacrificing their weapons. Worst for my alt that despite having engineering 5 and weapon upgrades 3 had to remove guns to fit the new MWD.
And dont say we should go missiles, Amarr type ship isnt made for missile launche
Cant but agree with Intoccabile on her original post that this couldnt have been tested enough.
Yet I can and will live with this patch if they can fix the worst problems soon.
Sarina
'Omber Zomnie for emperor over all roid belts and the unsettled (or unsettling) systems NOW!'
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Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2003.12.18 11:28:00 -
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No dont roll back. New patch is must better. Things are a challenge again. Rats need to be re-distributed some and a few bugs ironed out but thats all. Well done CCP better late than never. Now What about shiva
Tal
What goeas around comes around...
What goes around comes around...
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Ertai Vodalion
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Posted - 2003.12.18 11:45:00 -
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I seriously like Castor - but i think there must be a rollback because the Agent missions gave Original BPs and Advanced skills in packs like 13 Skills - 9 BPs etc.
This is a serious imbalance in the economy - imagine a guy that got 13 advanced skills as a time bonus for a lev 2 Mission - he made a fortune and others got no chance to catch up (as it seems fixed now) within weeks ...
.. it¦s just plain unfair to ignore this Skills & Blueprint blowout the agents did after the patch !
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Spanker
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Posted - 2003.12.18 12:00:00 -
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Quote: My cruisers cant carry the new 10 unit MWD's at all without sacrificing their weapons.
No they can't, but that's the whole point isn't it? If you're a combateer, use guns. If you're a space farer, use MWD's.
The implications of this patch send shudders down my spine, good ones. Everything is being corrected at last. *sighs in relief and relaxes*
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Sarena Sparrow
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Posted - 2003.12.18 13:31:00 -
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Yes, roll back. This is bull$hit. They want to "balance" the game but there are people out there with 100 original Cruiser BP' from phuked up Agent Missions? ROLLBACK NOW.
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dutchfreak
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Posted - 2003.12.18 13:42:00 -
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Edited by: dutchfreak on 18/12/2003 13:42:53 Rollback? ... no thnx, allthough i cant say much about he bp's and stuff for i dont use em much (sure i have some ammo bpc and an ogres bpc, but hell, thats all i need) Instead of rolling back.. FIX and PROGRESS! geez... rollback go whine somewhere else please, if ya want a change, come up with idea's and/or addapt a little... can't be that bad? Im sick of guys/dolls saying CCP suck, EvE rules, sorry to say so, sure it needs finetuning, but which MMORPG doesnt?
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Papa Smurf
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Posted - 2003.12.18 13:53:00 -
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Quote: Yes, roll back. This is bull$hit. They want to "balance" the game but there are people out there with 100 original Cruiser BP' from phuked up Agent Missions? ROLLBACK NOW.
Obviously, we'll fix the BP issue. There's no need for a general rollback because of it.
The BP's were dished out because of a bug. The bug's been squashed, and we'll be taking care of the BP's that it squirted into the economy today.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.12.18 14:09:00 -
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Quote:
Quote: Yes, roll back. This is bull$hit. They want to "balance" the game but there are people out there with 100 original Cruiser BP' from phuked up Agent Missions? ROLLBACK NOW.
Obviously, we'll fix the BP issue. There's no need for a general rollback because of it.
The BP's were dished out because of a bug. The bug's been squashed, and we'll be taking care of the BP's that it squirted into the economy today.
Papa, you rock hard. On many different levels. Simultaneously.
The only reason I'd like a rollback is so I could manufacture more 100MN MWD's, as the demand is quite impressive. .
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Lord Panther
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Posted - 2003.12.18 14:30:00 -
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I agree. I know dozens of players who are ready to quit if something is not done.
Last night I lost my apoc to pirates in Empire space. My screen froze when they spawned. It took several tries to get out of the game. Then when I tried to log back in it wouldn't let me in. All the while though I could hear the lasers firing at me.
When I finally got back in (after five or six attempts) my ship was almost gone. They finished the job two minutes later. (I was warp scrambled before I could get away)
Beyond that they made the refine efficency skill (and who knows how many others) useless. Slowed the game down to a crawl by making the new mwd's use way too much cap and with their no closer than 20km to jumpgates thing.
It took too long to get anywhere before. Now it takes forever.
When I came to EVE there were several hundred of us who decided to leave a game called Mankind and come here. Now only a few dozen of us are left and almost all of them are talking about leaving.
Way to go CCP. You guys must have a had a meeting to answer the question "How can we tick off the greatest number of our customers in the shortest period of time."
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SPUFFofDoG
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Posted - 2003.12.18 15:31:00 -
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as above
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Falnaerith
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Posted - 2003.12.18 15:37:00 -
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Hmm, i believe that people called farming boring and tedious. Challenge is a good thing to keep your attention. You can't just warp in, lock, hit f1-f7 then go and read on the internet.
Gasp, it's tough, these are supposed to be the toughest npc pirates to be found (@ bs pirates) why do you think 1 person should be able to take on 5 at once and not even break a sweat?
Rollback isn't an option, use that sack of rotting meat inside your head for once and figure a way to do things in the "New" world. ------------------- Basic truths? Idiots make us rich. - Some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill them. |
Talon SilverHawk
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Posted - 2003.12.18 15:44:00 -
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Edited by: Talon SilverHawk on 18/12/2003 15:46:28 Things are much better now CCP once you have finished the tuning this game will rock
You have made loads of people happy. Except for those that didnt read about the changes visit Chaos or just like to complain.
Half the ppl complaining want a rollback to recover there lost BS's .
Tal
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GFLTorque
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Posted - 2003.12.18 15:47:00 -
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Quote: I agree. I know dozens of players who are ready to quit if something is not done.
It took too long to get anywhere before. Now it takes forever. "
I must agree with Panther in substance here. The new HUD is outstanding, the changes to hybrids are a vast improvement. Having said that, Miner II's using 90 cap, Bistot that has disappeared from where it was before, NPC's that make it nearly impossible to mine many 0.0 areas without a large fleet, and a whithering new set of skill requirements have made this patch a tremendous obstacle in the progression of users that have put in months building, working, and striving to get to this point. Many a battle, many a ship lost, many a NPC pirate has been fought to control the area my corporation had staked a claim on. Now, *poof* all the reason for us being in that area is gone. All the rares are gone, the NPC's are too strong unless you have many others on at one time, mining for even the commons is to great a risk with no capicator due to the Miner II sucking so much cap.
Fastly, the best alternative approaching is AFK mining with Miner I's in Empire 1.0, and 0.9 systems. This imo, was exactly what we didnt want to occur.
Respectfully, Torque
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Papa Smurf
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Posted - 2003.12.18 15:59:00 -
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Quote: I seriously like Castor - but i think there must be a rollback because the Agent missions gave Original BPs and Advanced skills in packs like 13 Skills - 9 BPs etc.
This is a serious imbalance in the economy - imagine a guy that got 13 advanced skills as a time bonus for a lev 2 Mission - he made a fortune and others got no chance to catch up (as it seems fixed now) within weeks ...
.. it¦s just plain unfair to ignore this Skills & Blueprint blowout the agents did after the patch !
We've decided to deal with the issue by turning all of the BP's that agents dished out into limited run BP's, with 1 or a few runs as the limit.
The skill packs were a much lesser issue, and we've decided to allow people to just keep them, no strings attached.
I'd hope people just congratulate them on their good fortune, rather than focusing on the fact that now 'others have no chance to catch up'.
That would certainly be the case for BP's, but not for skill packs. The skill packs are not that much more profit-per-minute than mining. Skillpack wise, at most people got away with about 10 times what they should have on an occasional mission, when compared with mining, for the first day of Castor. Agents usually stiff people so bad, that it really shouldn't be much of an issue.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.12.18 16:03:00 -
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"We've decided to deal with the issue by turning all of the BP's that agents dished out into limited run BP's, with 1 or a few runs as the limit.
The skill packs were a much lesser issue, and we've decided to allow people to just keep them, no strings attached."
\o/
Most excellent.
And yeah, congratulations to those who got all those extra skill packs ;) (since you can't use more than one copy of the skill anyway, in the end it's the others who will benefit from this surplus...)
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.18 16:19:00 -
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Bog it! I wanna keep my Energy Neutralizer 1 BP!
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Harisdrop
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Posted - 2003.12.18 16:21:00 -
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Great news thanks Papa... --------------------------
Garsh ma it soo cool killing people in there space thingies |
Nirces Y'Tuk
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Posted - 2003.12.18 16:30:00 -
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What we need:
Less NPC's around, keeping the same number of NPC's with the new tech/AI would have been changelling, What we got is the impossible.
Less agent missions, i started today trying to do agent missions for a level 1 agent, after 5 missions the corp standing is still just 0.01% with a 5% reduction per week, it works out as 400 missions, not that i believe in decay at all, it just punishes the casual players.
Everything single part of tech2 research and manufacture has to be done through agents, give us manufacturers a break already, we dont like agent missions, we aren;t couriers we are manufacturers, you have even made is so we have to do agent missions to get the parts we need to build.
Wheres all the ore promised? Bistot and higher ores will be re-distrobuted as to be more common, complete and utter crap, most of it has just disappeared, the belts in my home system, guarded by the possible 5x50k,10x20k spawns now has NO higher ores at all, after weeks of oiur corp farming the belts.
We need agents as before, where standing increases at a simalar rate. Decay is useless and just punishes thoose of us who do not powergame.
More rewards taken from agents, there needs to be construction componets bps on market, skills on market. so called research agents going on player skill ALONE, forget standing.
More rare ores across 0.0 space, less common ores and higher spawn rates
Less NPC's, far less NPC's everywhere, new battleship npcs should only be at the extremes depths of space.
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Casca
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Posted - 2003.12.18 16:34:00 -
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Quote: Yes, roll back. This is bull$hit. They want to "balance" the game but there are people out there with 100 original Cruiser BP' from phuked up Agent Missions? ROLLBACK NOW.
Obviously, we'll fix the BP issue. There's no need for a general rollback because of it.
The BP's were dished out because of a bug. The bug's been squashed, and we'll be taking care of the BP's that it squirted into the economy today.
k if you can fix that and the fact that we lost ships due to a inbalance in pirates. Ok then go with the patch I do like alot of the things but there are some serious problems with this patch if you can correct the looses as well as the gains good if not the role back and get it over with so we can get to playing again. I can't even play right now because you cannot do courier missions so I have been setting here for a day doing nothing.
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Neamess
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Posted - 2003.12.18 16:34:00 -
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Great news Papa, thanks.
Any eta on the fix to the standings? I know your all working hard on it, but its been 36 hours now and im starting to get withdrawl |
Emily
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Posted - 2003.12.18 16:53:00 -
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well from the looks of it on the two other threads those who love Castor and those who hate it the love castor ones are the run & gun shoot em up I want to kill stuff type of players. Yes the NPC rats are now a challenge for them Hoorah!
However, those against Castor seem to be the manufacturers/miners who now have lost virtually all the benefits they have gained in playing.
Personally after playing Castor for 2 days, rolling back seems to be a step backward. A step foward might have been to Give the run and gun shoot em up wanna kill everything in sight people the challenge but not make it impossible for everyone to NOT to have access to the rare ores. The run and gun kill them all players can do that AND HELP the mfg's and miners get access to the needed rare ores.
Changes do need to be made. It's whether CCP will make them. Tom B said publically "It's not gonna change so live with it".
People will stop playing and paying it something isn't done.
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2003.12.18 16:56:00 -
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Thank you PapaSmurf for dealing with the BP issue.
-- TomB: End the speed-race. 1 propulsion mod allowed, make turrets affect ship attributes like +speed/+ab speed +agil for progressivly smaller/lighter turrets, -speed/-ab speed -agil for long-range. |
Chop
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Posted - 2003.12.18 17:14:00 -
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Too be so stupid man, there aint nothing wrong with the patch, so they've made the pirates a bit too tough, so they've made the ships all a lot slower, but all that is needed is to adjust a few variables and stats, not a complete rollback
I think its been a great improvement did they not say it would be a bumpy ride the first few days??? CEO Crimson Permanent Assurance
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.12.18 17:38:00 -
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Quote: The skill packs were a much lesser issue, and we've decided to allow people to just keep them, no strings attached.
*boggle*
And you WORK for this game? You patently do not know anything whatsoever about it. The guys who got a boodle of skillpacks have *already* made vastly more money than my original Thorax blueprint could ever have produced.
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