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Nicholas Marshal	Posted - 2003.12.18 09:19:00 - [1] I understand that the ore for DCM is is the depths of 0.0 space. I had always thought the whole point of DCM was that it would give peacful miners a new type of mining in SAFE space. I spent months training to get the required skills, and have no desire to travel 30 jumps from the nearest station to mine merxocit (whatever). Very few people actually have astro lvl 5 and mining lvl 5, and I feel that those who do have it should be given an opportunity to use the skill in at least 0.4 throught to 0.1 systems. I am sure I once heard a dev say that you would be able to DCM a standard pyro or scordite roid anyway. This seems to have changed, and it is a silly change imo. People will just not bother.
The Reclaimer	Posted - 2003.12.18 09:25:00 - [2] I also read that in a CSM in like June I believe. Even though I am in a large allaince, I thin that this SHOULD NOT be limited to 0.0 space. It needs to be in low sec Empire IMO to give ppl more choices. Besides, its just another thing for a few ppl (including myself) to dominate the market. I am holding out hope that they will fix this in the coming days.
Nicholas Marshal	Posted - 2003.12.18 09:29:00 - [3] This is what I mean - its about choices. DCM was to me like a career choice. It should not need a 6 battleship escort and a fleet of indies just to do it in 0.0 ffs. There should be DCM roids in pretty much every system (a few) - since so few people have the required skills, the few who BOTHERED to train it (and spent a month + doing so !) will be rewarded and can carry out their chose occupation in peace.
Ranandor	Posted - 2003.12.18 09:43:00 - [4] We need a statement from a Dev on this really.
Manfred Doomhammer	Posted - 2003.12.18 09:46:00 - [5] well.. reading the description of the deep core mining laser, you can mine normal rocks with it.. its just not very good at it ---- Manfred Doomhammer Fleet Admiral CEO ShadowTec Inc.
CT BadIronTree	Posted - 2003.12.18 09:48:00 - [6] in one month i can use the DC mining laser that i made with the BP i got from a agent... nice job... it cost 200k isk to make sell for 600k :P ============================================ Colossus Technologies The first and oldest corp in eve! BadIronTree Head of Production CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003: Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic mode. --------------------------------------- playing (or beta testing)since Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:06 (beta 5) ---------------------------------------
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2003.12.18 09:52:00 - [7] Good one BIT ! _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Soolin	Posted - 2003.12.18 09:53:00 - [8] I totally agree. When I heard DCM was coming into the game I decided to specialze in mining. I have mining 5, astrogeology 5 and started training DCM yesterday. I was lead to believe you could mine for Morphite on regular asteroids like Plag and Pyro etc, but now I discover you need to go 'strike it lucky' deep in 0.0 systems and find an elusive Mercoxit asteroid which is "EXTREMELY rare - rarer than Arkonor" - to quote Polaris. Well, for miners who are part of a small corp or who like being freelance, DCM is an impossible proffession to take up. Finding a Mercoxit roid is bad enough, but the need to have a squadron of Battleships just to protect you from the NPC's and a fleet on haulers to take the 40 vol ore to a distant refinery puts a LOT of dedicated miners out of the equation. And yes I KNOW this game is Multiplayer and players should band together - but there a LOT of players who are part of smaller corps or freelancers. This game should cater for them and not just the mega corps. They want players to stop mining Empire systems but give them NO incentive to do so. DCM should have been made available in 0.4 - 0.0 systems, available to mine any roid using the new lasers with a chance to find a Mercoxit roid deep inside the regular roid. But from what I hear thats not the case now. I hope I'm mistaken. You thought it was bad with BS miners strip mining Empire systems before? LOL. The vast majority of players who mine have now been left with no choice other than to do just that now. Wow... that was my first whine! feels better
Judicator	Posted - 2003.12.18 10:08:00 - [9] I will need to brush up alot on this patch once the x-mas holidays set in. Too much work to focus enough on EVE. I actually had the notino that I could DCM asteroids in Empire, guess I can't. Oh well, I won't train astrogeology v anytime soon. I think I'll be hitting the agents for some time, since I already got a nice bunch of social skills I can use. The payout and missions types has also increased afaik. At least my Fedreal Int. Office agent likes to hand out kill missions, and I like that. Time to focus more time to my combat skills, mining is ok, but I am not currently going to also train RE V and then the added refine skills for each ore type, talk about commitment. Big downside to the commited, you do need an entire army to keep the belt clear and even then there is no guarantee a group of npcs wont spawn right on top of the miners. I like the patch so far tough. About DCM, I had the idea that there where two new kinds of mineral, Morphite, that could only be had from Mercoixt and then a second one, names eludes me, that could be mined from nomral roids with DCM lasers. It would simply blast the roids and extract small fleeting elementa of that second mineral. Guess I got something mixed up. -------------------------
Fausto	Posted - 2003.12.18 10:16:00 - [10] Well there is one simple solution. They should make it scanable, so you just fly to the belt, scan them all and know if you are about to waste your time or not. I don't see why it should not be scanable. ______ <brainpodder>
Nicholas Marshal	Posted - 2003.12.18 10:25:00 - [11] The point is, apart from the Mercoxit stuff, DCM should be able to give benefits on STANDARD roids as well.
Olag Gan	Posted - 2003.12.18 10:33:00 - [12] I spent 3 hours mining regular asteroids yesterday using DCM lasers - got no mercoxit or morphite what so ever. Why were so many people led to believe otherwise? Even people who'd played on chaos mentioned you could mine regular roids with the new lasers and get a Mercoxit roid that way. Can we have an offical word on this? I think players have a right to know wether its worth training the DCM skill or not
Psy Corp	Posted - 2003.12.18 10:38:00 - [13] if you read the disscription of the new ore its like its in ever ore.. so i think it should be I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
Nicholas Marshal	Posted - 2003.12.18 10:41:00 - [14] What does the description say ? I have no way of reading it.
Mordessa	Posted - 2003.12.18 10:43:00 - [15] Edited by: Mordessa on 18/12/2003 10:46:14 Quote: I also read that in a CSM in like June I believe. Even though I am in a large allaince, I thin that this SHOULD NOT be limited to 0.0 space. It needs to be in low sec Empire IMO to give ppl more choices. Besides, its just another thing for a few ppl (including myself) to dominate the market. I am holding out hope that they will fix this in the coming days. I agree 100% here. Keeping the Mercoxit roid in deep-deep 0.0 space is basically an injustice to the rest of the players who are not in large alliances I.E. Fountain, Stain, Curse.... These alliances already pretty much control the Megacyte and Zydrine minerals to a stranglehold if the devs haven't already noticed. Why they would they give them a third is beyond me. I remember when CCP took ALL the Zydrine and Megacyte bearing ores and put them ALL out in 0.0 non-factioned space, why? Because we were only inhabiting 15-25% of the map, and they wanted us to move out of empire space. Well guess what CCP, pretty much all of 0.0 space is inhabited and camped by the respective alliances. Now, why arent you moving at least some of the lower Zydrine ores back to some of the lowest sec areas of empire space so that the smaller corps and freelancers can get at them? And lastly, would a random Mercoxit roid in every 20-25th 0.1-0.2 system really hurt that much in empire space??
Darkstarr	Posted - 2003.12.18 10:44:00 - [16] They should have made DCM available to all - but with varying degrees of danger invovled... i.e. if you mine using DCM miners in 1.0 systems the damage caused to your ship from the unstable ore should be considerable bordering on destruction... as the security status drops, the level of damage to your ship should drop accordingly. DCM in 0.0 systems should be pretty safe as far as the instabilty of the ore goes - but then you have to worry about the NPC's etc. This may stop people DCM in the safer Empire sysytems or at least give them a CHOICE wether to risk it or not. Not sure how this could be justified from a roleplay/scientific p.o.v. though
Iskander	Posted - 2003.12.18 10:48:00 - [17] DCM is, at present, the only may to get the new ore, the new ore is the only way to build Tech Level II. Players who train the relevant skills first are sitting on a gold mine... BUT ...there is no risk without reward anyone can click a skill and sit and wait for a few days (weeks) anything worthwhile in Eve should be hard to get, so yes put the new ore in 0.0 and encourage people to travel out of empire space. How much are your mercoxit(?) mins going to be worth when you're the first one sitting on nice stockpile of it?
Nemesis I	Posted - 2003.12.18 10:51:00 - [18] Its the way it is adapt
Varia	Posted - 2003.12.18 10:52:00 - [19] I was a little disappointed too plus I find the description a little misleading, yes it can be used on other asteroids but itÆs not going to yield merxocit. I would have thought Deep Core Mining would have something to do with planets/planetoids not asteroids, oh well. Women that strive to equal men lack ambition.
Psy Corp	Posted - 2003.12.18 10:54:00 - [20] ------------------- Name Mercoxit (Ore) Group Ore Race Description Mercoxit is a very unstable type of ore that is never found exposed in the open for long. It is only found buried deep inside basic asteroid rock and needs to be blasted free and mined quickly before it breaks down, using specialized mining techniques. Mercoxit is the only ore that yields the extraordinary Morphite mineral. Base Price 1149400 Volume 16 m3 Capacity 0 Area of effect 5000 EM Damage 50 hp Explosive Damage 50 hp Kinetic Damage 50 hp Thermal Damage 50 hp Primary Skill required Deep Core Mining 522 0.05 It is only found buried deep inside basic asteroid rock and needs to be blasted free and mined quickly before it breaks down that should say it all I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
T'Pau	Posted - 2003.12.18 10:57:00 - [21] Edited by: T'Pau on 18/12/2003 11:04:07 Quote: DCM is, at present, the only may to get the new ore, the new ore is the only way to build Tech Level II. Players who train the relevant skills first are sitting on a gold mine... BUT ...there is no risk without reward anyone can click a skill and sit and wait for a few days (weeks) anything worthwhile in Eve should be hard to get, so yes put the new ore in 0.0 and encourage people to travel out of empire space. How much are your mercoxit(?) mins going to be worth when you're the first one sitting on nice stockpile of it? Nobodies arguing with that... the problem is that DCM atm is ONLY viable to the mega corps who are already super-rich as it is! What about the players who can't get enough help together to go mine the stuff? DCM should be for specialized miners and the majority of miners in this game don't have the combat skills needed to fend off insane NPC's. And not everyone has access to the logistcs needed to make DCM viable. CCP should stop alienating smaller corps.
Nicholas Marshal	Posted - 2003.12.18 11:02:00 - [22] Mercoxit is a very unstable type of ore that is never found exposed in the open for long. It is only found buried deep inside basic asteroid rock and needs to be blasted free and mined quickly before it breaks down, using specialized mining techniques. This is the crucial part. Therefore, it MUST be available in scordite, pyro et al.
Varia	Posted - 2003.12.18 11:08:00 - [23] Edited by: Varia on 18/12/2003 11:09:48 Quote: ------------------- Name Mercoxit (Ore) Group Ore Race Description Mercoxit is a very unstable type of ore that is never found exposed in the open for long. It is only found buried deep inside basic asteroid rock and needs to be blasted free and mined quickly before it breaks down, using specialized mining techniques. Mercoxit is the only ore that yields the extraordinary Morphite mineral. Base Price 1149400 Volume 16 m3 Capacity 0 Area of effect 5000 EM Damage 50 hp Explosive Damage 50 hp Kinetic Damage 50 hp Thermal Damage 50 hp Primary Skill required Deep Core Mining 522 0.05 It is only found buried deep inside basic asteroid rock and needs to be blasted free and mined quickly before it breaks down that should say it all oh I never tried the basic basic rocks, will have to try this out again. Women that strive to equal men lack ambition.
Olag Gan	Posted - 2003.12.18 11:09:00 - [24] Well I've tried mining regular asteroids in 0.5, 0.4, and 0.2 systems. Got nothing but regular ore to show for over 3 hours mining. I don't mind blasting away at those regular rocks with my Deep Core Miners and fending off the rats as long as I know I'm doing the right thing and theres a chance (however small) that I may get some rare ore. CCP CAN WE OR CAN WE NOT GET MERCOXIT FROM REGULAR ASTEROIDS? - OR DOES IT ONLY COME FROM A MERCOXIT ROID DEEP WITHIN 0.0 SPACE??? Polaris say one thing, the roid description says another... please clarify.
StealthNet	Posted - 2003.12.18 11:15:00 - [25] Well it clearly contradicts itself. First it says that it's available deep inside common ore. And in the last phrase, it says that mercoxit is the only ore that yeld the morphite. So my guess is that CCP changed their minds: first they were thinking of putting morphite in every astroid. Later, changed that requiring a new type of ore. BTW, Im curious: is the DCM laser blue ?!? _______________________________________________
Blueblooded	Posted - 2003.12.18 11:19:00 - [26] Have any one asked a "Megacorp" exactly how many Mercoxit the have been able to mine? I can't say I know of any one who has been able to find it... Could i be possible that it's not available? ---------------------------------------- "The royal blood is blue, hence my name"
Olag Gan	Posted - 2003.12.18 11:20:00 - [27] Quote: Well it clearly contradicts itself. First it says that it's available deep inside common ore. And in the last phrase, it says that mercoxit is the only ore that yeld the morphite. So my guess is that CCP changed their minds: first they were thinking of putting morphite in every astroid. Later, changed that requiring a new type of ore. BTW, Im curious: is the DCM laser blue ?!? Yep thats how I'm reading it too. Problem is, CCP "forgot" to tell us
Psy Corp	Posted - 2003.12.18 11:20:00 - [28] Quote: Well it clearly contradicts itself. First it says that it's available deep inside common ore. And in the last phrase, it says that mercoxit is the only ore that yeld the morphite. So my guess is that CCP changed their minds: first they were thinking of putting morphite in every astroid. Later, changed that requiring a new type of ore. BTW, Im curious: is the DCM laser blue ?!? yeah its blue.. dont know if the beam is but i meen people have mined it on chaos right befor it came in so someone should know witch is right I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
Cell Satimo	Posted - 2003.12.18 11:22:00 - [29] By making the availability of the new ore low, it means there is further specialisation in the players and corps, forcing co-operation between corps. IMHO this is a good thing. If you want to be a DCM miner, yep you're gonna have to assemble a group of like minded people who are willing to take the risks for the reward. DCM in low sec space is for lazy players who want a flat distribution of players - no real differentiation in levels or specialisations. \| Join eve-webring.com to promote your site.
Psy Corp	Posted - 2003.12.18 11:22:00 - [30] Quote: Have any one asked a "Megacorp" exactly how many Mercoxit the have been able to mine? I can't say I know of any one who has been able to find it... Could i be possible that it's not available? yeah maybe... but then they could say that its not so people dont go out hunting for it that mutch anyway maybe they just got a bugg in the system and will fix it with the hotfix patch thats this dt I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..

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