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Nicholas Marshal	Posted - 2003.12.18 09:19:00 - [1] I understand that the ore for DCM is is the depths of 0.0 space. I had always thought the whole point of DCM was that it would give peacful miners a new type of mining in SAFE space. I spent months training to get the required skills, and have no desire to travel 30 jumps from the nearest station to mine merxocit (whatever). Very few people actually have astro lvl 5 and mining lvl 5, and I feel that those who do have it should be given an opportunity to use the skill in at least 0.4 throught to 0.1 systems. I am sure I once heard a dev say that you would be able to DCM a standard pyro or scordite roid anyway. This seems to have changed, and it is a silly change imo. People will just not bother.
The Reclaimer	Posted - 2003.12.18 09:25:00 - [2] I also read that in a CSM in like June I believe. Even though I am in a large allaince, I thin that this SHOULD NOT be limited to 0.0 space. It needs to be in low sec Empire IMO to give ppl more choices. Besides, its just another thing for a few ppl (including myself) to dominate the market. I am holding out hope that they will fix this in the coming days.
Nicholas Marshal	Posted - 2003.12.18 09:29:00 - [3] This is what I mean - its about choices. DCM was to me like a career choice. It should not need a 6 battleship escort and a fleet of indies just to do it in 0.0 ffs. There should be DCM roids in pretty much every system (a few) - since so few people have the required skills, the few who BOTHERED to train it (and spent a month + doing so !) will be rewarded and can carry out their chose occupation in peace.
Ranandor	Posted - 2003.12.18 09:43:00 - [4] We need a statement from a Dev on this really.
Manfred Doomhammer	Posted - 2003.12.18 09:46:00 - [5] well.. reading the description of the deep core mining laser, you can mine normal rocks with it.. its just not very good at it ---- Manfred Doomhammer Fleet Admiral CEO ShadowTec Inc.
CT BadIronTree	Posted - 2003.12.18 09:48:00 - [6] in one month i can use the DC mining laser that i made with the BP i got from a agent... nice job... it cost 200k isk to make sell for 600k :P ============================================ Colossus Technologies The first and oldest corp in eve! BadIronTree Head of Production CSM Chat Log September 25, 2003: Fuhry> Some things we simply cannot test, and therefore we just put it on Tranq. cross our fingers and then get into panic mode. --------------------------------------- playing (or beta testing)since Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:06 (beta 5) ---------------------------------------
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2003.12.18 09:52:00 - [7] Good one BIT ! _______________________________________________ Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues.
Soolin	Posted - 2003.12.18 09:53:00 - [8] I totally agree. When I heard DCM was coming into the game I decided to specialze in mining. I have mining 5, astrogeology 5 and started training DCM yesterday. I was lead to believe you could mine for Morphite on regular asteroids like Plag and Pyro etc, but now I discover you need to go 'strike it lucky' deep in 0.0 systems and find an elusive Mercoxit asteroid which is "EXTREMELY rare - rarer than Arkonor" - to quote Polaris. Well, for miners who are part of a small corp or who like being freelance, DCM is an impossible proffession to take up. Finding a Mercoxit roid is bad enough, but the need to have a squadron of Battleships just to protect you from the NPC's and a fleet on haulers to take the 40 vol ore to a distant refinery puts a LOT of dedicated miners out of the equation. And yes I KNOW this game is Multiplayer and players should band together - but there a LOT of players who are part of smaller corps or freelancers. This game should cater for them and not just the mega corps. They want players to stop mining Empire systems but give them NO incentive to do so. DCM should have been made available in 0.4 - 0.0 systems, available to mine any roid using the new lasers with a chance to find a Mercoxit roid deep inside the regular roid. But from what I hear thats not the case now. I hope I'm mistaken. You thought it was bad with BS miners strip mining Empire systems before? LOL. The vast majority of players who mine have now been left with no choice other than to do just that now. Wow... that was my first whine! feels better
Judicator	Posted - 2003.12.18 10:08:00 - [9] I will need to brush up alot on this patch once the x-mas holidays set in. Too much work to focus enough on EVE. I actually had the notino that I could DCM asteroids in Empire, guess I can't. Oh well, I won't train astrogeology v anytime soon. I think I'll be hitting the agents for some time, since I already got a nice bunch of social skills I can use. The payout and missions types has also increased afaik. At least my Fedreal Int. Office agent likes to hand out kill missions, and I like that. Time to focus more time to my combat skills, mining is ok, but I am not currently going to also train RE V and then the added refine skills for each ore type, talk about commitment. Big downside to the commited, you do need an entire army to keep the belt clear and even then there is no guarantee a group of npcs wont spawn right on top of the miners. I like the patch so far tough. About DCM, I had the idea that there where two new kinds of mineral, Morphite, that could only be had from Mercoixt and then a second one, names eludes me, that could be mined from nomral roids with DCM lasers. It would simply blast the roids and extract small fleeting elementa of that second mineral. Guess I got something mixed up. -------------------------
Fausto	Posted - 2003.12.18 10:16:00 - [10] Well there is one simple solution. They should make it scanable, so you just fly to the belt, scan them all and know if you are about to waste your time or not. I don't see why it should not be scanable. ______ <brainpodder>
Nicholas Marshal	Posted - 2003.12.18 10:25:00 - [11] The point is, apart from the Mercoxit stuff, DCM should be able to give benefits on STANDARD roids as well.
Olag Gan	Posted - 2003.12.18 10:33:00 - [12] I spent 3 hours mining regular asteroids yesterday using DCM lasers - got no mercoxit or morphite what so ever. Why were so many people led to believe otherwise? Even people who'd played on chaos mentioned you could mine regular roids with the new lasers and get a Mercoxit roid that way. Can we have an offical word on this? I think players have a right to know wether its worth training the DCM skill or not
Psy Corp	Posted - 2003.12.18 10:38:00 - [13] if you read the disscription of the new ore its like its in ever ore.. so i think it should be I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
Nicholas Marshal	Posted - 2003.12.18 10:41:00 - [14] What does the description say ? I have no way of reading it.
Mordessa	Posted - 2003.12.18 10:43:00 - [15] Edited by: Mordessa on 18/12/2003 10:46:14 Quote: I also read that in a CSM in like June I believe. Even though I am in a large allaince, I thin that this SHOULD NOT be limited to 0.0 space. It needs to be in low sec Empire IMO to give ppl more choices. Besides, its just another thing for a few ppl (including myself) to dominate the market. I am holding out hope that they will fix this in the coming days. I agree 100% here. Keeping the Mercoxit roid in deep-deep 0.0 space is basically an injustice to the rest of the players who are not in large alliances I.E. Fountain, Stain, Curse.... These alliances already pretty much control the Megacyte and Zydrine minerals to a stranglehold if the devs haven't already noticed. Why they would they give them a third is beyond me. I remember when CCP took ALL the Zydrine and Megacyte bearing ores and put them ALL out in 0.0 non-factioned space, why? Because we were only inhabiting 15-25% of the map, and they wanted us to move out of empire space. Well guess what CCP, pretty much all of 0.0 space is inhabited and camped by the respective alliances. Now, why arent you moving at least some of the lower Zydrine ores back to some of the lowest sec areas of empire space so that the smaller corps and freelancers can get at them? And lastly, would a random Mercoxit roid in every 20-25th 0.1-0.2 system really hurt that much in empire space??
Darkstarr	Posted - 2003.12.18 10:44:00 - [16] They should have made DCM available to all - but with varying degrees of danger invovled... i.e. if you mine using DCM miners in 1.0 systems the damage caused to your ship from the unstable ore should be considerable bordering on destruction... as the security status drops, the level of damage to your ship should drop accordingly. DCM in 0.0 systems should be pretty safe as far as the instabilty of the ore goes - but then you have to worry about the NPC's etc. This may stop people DCM in the safer Empire sysytems or at least give them a CHOICE wether to risk it or not. Not sure how this could be justified from a roleplay/scientific p.o.v. though
Iskander	Posted - 2003.12.18 10:48:00 - [17] DCM is, at present, the only may to get the new ore, the new ore is the only way to build Tech Level II. Players who train the relevant skills first are sitting on a gold mine... BUT ...there is no risk without reward anyone can click a skill and sit and wait for a few days (weeks) anything worthwhile in Eve should be hard to get, so yes put the new ore in 0.0 and encourage people to travel out of empire space. How much are your mercoxit(?) mins going to be worth when you're the first one sitting on nice stockpile of it?
Nemesis I	Posted - 2003.12.18 10:51:00 - [18] Its the way it is adapt
Varia	Posted - 2003.12.18 10:52:00 - [19] I was a little disappointed too plus I find the description a little misleading, yes it can be used on other asteroids but itÆs not going to yield merxocit. I would have thought Deep Core Mining would have something to do with planets/planetoids not asteroids, oh well. Women that strive to equal men lack ambition.
Psy Corp	Posted - 2003.12.18 10:54:00 - [20] ------------------- Name Mercoxit (Ore) Group Ore Race Description Mercoxit is a very unstable type of ore that is never found exposed in the open for long. It is only found buried deep inside basic asteroid rock and needs to be blasted free and mined quickly before it breaks down, using specialized mining techniques. Mercoxit is the only ore that yields the extraordinary Morphite mineral. Base Price 1149400 Volume 16 m3 Capacity 0 Area of effect 5000 EM Damage 50 hp Explosive Damage 50 hp Kinetic Damage 50 hp Thermal Damage 50 hp Primary Skill required Deep Core Mining 522 0.05 It is only found buried deep inside basic asteroid rock and needs to be blasted free and mined quickly before it breaks down that should say it all I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
T'Pau	Posted - 2003.12.18 10:57:00 - [21] Edited by: T'Pau on 18/12/2003 11:04:07 Quote: DCM is, at present, the only may to get the new ore, the new ore is the only way to build Tech Level II. Players who train the relevant skills first are sitting on a gold mine... BUT ...there is no risk without reward anyone can click a skill and sit and wait for a few days (weeks) anything worthwhile in Eve should be hard to get, so yes put the new ore in 0.0 and encourage people to travel out of empire space. How much are your mercoxit(?) mins going to be worth when you're the first one sitting on nice stockpile of it? Nobodies arguing with that... the problem is that DCM atm is ONLY viable to the mega corps who are already super-rich as it is! What about the players who can't get enough help together to go mine the stuff? DCM should be for specialized miners and the majority of miners in this game don't have the combat skills needed to fend off insane NPC's. And not everyone has access to the logistcs needed to make DCM viable. CCP should stop alienating smaller corps.
Nicholas Marshal	Posted - 2003.12.18 11:02:00 - [22] Mercoxit is a very unstable type of ore that is never found exposed in the open for long. It is only found buried deep inside basic asteroid rock and needs to be blasted free and mined quickly before it breaks down, using specialized mining techniques. This is the crucial part. Therefore, it MUST be available in scordite, pyro et al.
Varia	Posted - 2003.12.18 11:08:00 - [23] Edited by: Varia on 18/12/2003 11:09:48 Quote: ------------------- Name Mercoxit (Ore) Group Ore Race Description Mercoxit is a very unstable type of ore that is never found exposed in the open for long. It is only found buried deep inside basic asteroid rock and needs to be blasted free and mined quickly before it breaks down, using specialized mining techniques. Mercoxit is the only ore that yields the extraordinary Morphite mineral. Base Price 1149400 Volume 16 m3 Capacity 0 Area of effect 5000 EM Damage 50 hp Explosive Damage 50 hp Kinetic Damage 50 hp Thermal Damage 50 hp Primary Skill required Deep Core Mining 522 0.05 It is only found buried deep inside basic asteroid rock and needs to be blasted free and mined quickly before it breaks down that should say it all oh I never tried the basic basic rocks, will have to try this out again. Women that strive to equal men lack ambition.
Olag Gan	Posted - 2003.12.18 11:09:00 - [24] Well I've tried mining regular asteroids in 0.5, 0.4, and 0.2 systems. Got nothing but regular ore to show for over 3 hours mining. I don't mind blasting away at those regular rocks with my Deep Core Miners and fending off the rats as long as I know I'm doing the right thing and theres a chance (however small) that I may get some rare ore. CCP CAN WE OR CAN WE NOT GET MERCOXIT FROM REGULAR ASTEROIDS? - OR DOES IT ONLY COME FROM A MERCOXIT ROID DEEP WITHIN 0.0 SPACE??? Polaris say one thing, the roid description says another... please clarify.
StealthNet	Posted - 2003.12.18 11:15:00 - [25] Well it clearly contradicts itself. First it says that it's available deep inside common ore. And in the last phrase, it says that mercoxit is the only ore that yeld the morphite. So my guess is that CCP changed their minds: first they were thinking of putting morphite in every astroid. Later, changed that requiring a new type of ore. BTW, Im curious: is the DCM laser blue ?!? _______________________________________________
Blueblooded	Posted - 2003.12.18 11:19:00 - [26] Have any one asked a "Megacorp" exactly how many Mercoxit the have been able to mine? I can't say I know of any one who has been able to find it... Could i be possible that it's not available? ---------------------------------------- "The royal blood is blue, hence my name"
Olag Gan	Posted - 2003.12.18 11:20:00 - [27] Quote: Well it clearly contradicts itself. First it says that it's available deep inside common ore. And in the last phrase, it says that mercoxit is the only ore that yeld the morphite. So my guess is that CCP changed their minds: first they were thinking of putting morphite in every astroid. Later, changed that requiring a new type of ore. BTW, Im curious: is the DCM laser blue ?!? Yep thats how I'm reading it too. Problem is, CCP "forgot" to tell us
Psy Corp	Posted - 2003.12.18 11:20:00 - [28] Quote: Well it clearly contradicts itself. First it says that it's available deep inside common ore. And in the last phrase, it says that mercoxit is the only ore that yeld the morphite. So my guess is that CCP changed their minds: first they were thinking of putting morphite in every astroid. Later, changed that requiring a new type of ore. BTW, Im curious: is the DCM laser blue ?!? yeah its blue.. dont know if the beam is but i meen people have mined it on chaos right befor it came in so someone should know witch is right I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
Cell Satimo	Posted - 2003.12.18 11:22:00 - [29] By making the availability of the new ore low, it means there is further specialisation in the players and corps, forcing co-operation between corps. IMHO this is a good thing. If you want to be a DCM miner, yep you're gonna have to assemble a group of like minded people who are willing to take the risks for the reward. DCM in low sec space is for lazy players who want a flat distribution of players - no real differentiation in levels or specialisations. \| Join eve-webring.com to promote your site.
Psy Corp	Posted - 2003.12.18 11:22:00 - [30] Quote: Have any one asked a "Megacorp" exactly how many Mercoxit the have been able to mine? I can't say I know of any one who has been able to find it... Could i be possible that it's not available? yeah maybe... but then they could say that its not so people dont go out hunting for it that mutch anyway maybe they just got a bugg in the system and will fix it with the hotfix patch thats this dt I Have The Power Of The Mighty Lo.0lipop..
Casca	Posted - 2003.12.18 11:28:00 - [31] It's just more of the same they tell you one thing you work toward it and then they change it. What can we expect the truth from them it's not the first time that we have been miss lead. And unless I miss my guess it will not be the last. I also have characters that have trained for DCM but there is no way it will happen we had a group of 5 BB's out fitted for combat and we could kill the pirates as long as we stayed at a distance but if you went into the belts to pick up the loot you could expect 20+ pirates to drop in on you no matter that you can kill all the pirates you cannot kill them fast enough to not loose ships that is what the DEV's must want people to loose they're ship's I just have not figured why or how they think this will make the game better with the rate of loss there will be few players left in the weeks to come that can go into the 0.0 sectors but PKer's who have trained nothing but combat skill's from the start maybe that is what they want the PKer's to completely control the game. I logged on expecting the pirates to be somewhat harder so out fitted my ship for combat had three times my normal load out for 0.0 NPC pirates extra cap and shield boosters I lasted 30 sec in an APOC. They increased them all right now it will that a fleet to mine in 0.0 I say lets all go stripe mine empire space of every roid there because unless you have a mega corp. to back you, you will not less 1 minute in the belts these days.
Jav Rendei	Posted - 2003.12.18 11:31:00 - [32] Edited by: Jav Rendei on 18/12/2003 11:31:59 Quote: By making the availability of the new ore low, it means there is further specialisation in the players and corps, forcing co-operation between corps. IMHO this is a good thing. If you want to be a DCM miner, yep you're gonna have to assemble a group of like minded people who are willing to take the risks for the reward. DCM in low sec space is for lazy players who want a flat distribution of players - no real differentiation in levels or specialisations. This has already happened once with the mega and zydrine shortages... players banded together, formed alliances etc, and held a monopoly over the resources (which is good in a lot of respects). But what players are complaining about here is the fact that DCM has been made almost impossible for people who play in smaller corporations or who aren't able to get sufficient numbers to help them go Deep Core Mining. CCP has taken DCM away from the majority of players and handed it to those mega corps and alliances that already had a strangle-hold on the rare ores. One day we'll all belong to the same gigantic mega corp - won't that be fun?
Varia	Posted - 2003.12.18 11:31:00 - [33] Edited by: Varia on 18/12/2003 11:38:34 Quote: Well it clearly contradicts itself. First it says that it's available deep inside common ore. And in the last phrase, it says that mercoxit is the only ore that yeld the morphite. So my guess is that CCP changed their minds: first they were thinking of putting morphite in every astroid. Later, changed that requiring a new type of ore. BTW, Im curious: is the DCM laser blue ?!? Yes it's a plus looing miner that fires a blue looking beam. I now suspect that when you mine Veldspar(larger the the better) ore you will stand a % that mercoxit will be found (which refines down to produce morphite). If the rock you are mining produces mercoxit then a cloud of gas will also be released causing you damage as you extract the ore. Women that strive to equal men lack ambition.
Tyria Evenstar	Posted - 2003.12.18 11:53:00 - [34] Edited by: Tyria Evenstar on 18/12/2003 11:54:52 I agree, players should be able to DCM for Mercoxit in 0.4 and lower sec systems, (perhaps only if noone is else is in the belt with you, due to the explosive clouds). I liked the previous idea of mining lame-ores to get mercoxit much more than this new idea they have in place now. Although I wouldn't mind if they had mercoxit in 0.4 or lower systems, just so long as it's possible to DCM for the new ore in Empire Space. Small/Mid-sized corps have no, or very little chance of gathering their own morphite as the current system stands, due to the harder pirates in 0.0 space (and long jump distances - take into account the very heavy ore). Does CCP actually want tech2 production to have much of a chance? -Tyria.

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