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Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.06 12:03:00 - [1] NOS Relationship with Ushra'Khan & the buildup to QBL We have had negative standings for a very long time. NOS & CVA will tell you that we ganked them first for having "friends of CVA in their" Bio back when they where Huzzah Federation, our pilots will tell you that NOS were in joint defence gangs when we went after the CVA. The truth of the matter is that nobody can really remember anymore and and most dont care. Huzzah used to run large roaming gangs through our space, ganking a couple of ships and then leaving before we could respond in kind. Nos have done similar to us in the past. Before the POS assult Ushra'khan has attacked Huzzah, and then NOS when we saw them, but has never really activly persued them. The more aggressive elements of Huzzah and nos did like to smack talk us on the forums for being incompetant, but I am told that those members are no longer around. There has been next to zero smacktalk between our two alliances in the past few months as best I can tell. (bar roleplay banter ofc) Its also worth mentioning that at one stage NOS were after a NAP with us, we agreed 100% and were willing to set them blue. Then his happend : [link]http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=431596 There stance to us was now pretty clear. Now Recruiting[/b]
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.06 12:03:00 - [2] Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 06/03/2007 12:07:54 Campaign : NOS Beach Head In recent months they had been very passive, and mostly run NPC gangs. Rarely patroling into our space & generally kept out of our way (in contrast to the past where they had sent many gangs our way & joined CVA in defence of the ever expanding empire) Then about 1 week prior to the operation we noticed nos were behaving rather differently to the norm. They had 24/7 bubble camps on the G7 Gate in QBL and instead of NRDS, they had NBSI in this dead end pocket. Something was going on. Recon Teams were sent to investigate & they found what looked like the makings of an outpost, or possibly a super capital. Haulers were constantly buzzing around, and there was a large POS with more hanger arrays than guns! (I forget the exact amount, but there are a lot) Given our past dealings with NOS, we could not let this opportunity slide. On Thursday 22/02/2007 A gang of 40 Ushra'khan, after avoiding combat with a similarly sized IAC gang made their way into QBL and set up a bubble camp on the G7 Gate (first gate into a dead end pocket) We then jumped in our first POS and began assembling it, when this was onlining we the dropped in 9 Dreadnaughts and began to siege the large tower we suspected had something juicy within. Simultaneously (or what was supposed to be Simultaneously) Our friends in IO took a 20-30 man gang into CVA space to distract them. Unfortunatly just as our dreadnaughts were entering their second cycle we got word that CVA had not taken the bait, but were instead massing a gang big enough to cause us trouble. We called IO to come help secure QBL. IO arrived shortly before the CVA and secured the gate into PI5, as we had noticed a buildup of NOS. Then, as our dreadnaughts were entering thier 4th cycle we got word that a gang of approximatly 70 CVA, 1pg and PIE were two jumps away. The pos shields were at about 35-38% at this stage so the decision was taken to run one more cycle. CVA obviously still had their doubts about engaging, either that or NOS were still getting prepared, as it took them approximatly 5 more mins to get moving again. Now Recruiting
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.06 12:04:00 - [3] Soon enough though, they jumped into our camp in unison, we called IO to our gate to assist in what turned out to be a 66 VS 92 engagement, CVA had more battleships than us as our dreadnaught pilots are also our most highly skilled battleship pilots. We had the high ground however with multiple snipers in different 150k positions, the initial stages of the fight went extreemly well and our killboards show we killed 14 ships before taking a single loss, then as the CVA brought in 4 front line carriers and began taking down our support and sniping off our snipers the battle quickly turned. Under normal circumstances this would have been the point where we cut our losses and called it a draw/victory. However some of our dreadnaughts were still in siege mode. We stuck it out taking heavy losses until we got it confirmed that our dreadnaughts were out ok and then retreated to our POS. Unfortunatly for Our glorious leader maggot his dread had accidently entered into another siege cycle, he was scrambled and could not move. The remnence of our fleet got into frigates with fighters assigned and tried in vein to save his ship, alas though it was not meant to be and his mighty Moros fell to the "clensing Amarrian lasers" Report from maggot is that the POS was a nats ***** away from being in reinforced. Battle Summary for QBL-BV, 21:00 - 22:53 Assault frigate 0 3 Battlecruiser 3 4 Battleship 4 6 Capsule 7 17 Cruiser 8 7 Destroyer 2 2 Frigate 0 6 Heavy assault 1 1 Interceptor 5 1 Interdictor 0 1 Logistics 1 0 Recon ship 3 0 Dreadnought 0 1 CVA then took advantage of thier superior firepower and placed our POS into reinforced mode before returning home. Over the next few days we put up a few more POS, but things played out pretty much the same way. I'm going to write these days up in more detail later, so will leave a few place holder posts to allow for a consistent thread. Now Recruiting**
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.06 12:04:00 - [4] Placeholder: Ushra'khan Loses Grip Ive run out of time on my lunchbreak, so i'll post details of this later. Suffice to say though we lost the system and the juicy POS is still standing. Now Recruiting
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.06 12:05:00 - [5] Campaign Stats: Start Date: 2007-02-15 End Date: 2007-02-26 Runtime: 11 days (real runtime was probably about 8-9 days but the campaign stats take into account the fact that recon before hand and straglers after) Kills: 185 Losses: 177 Assault frigate 3/6 Battlecruiser 27/12 Battleship 28/18 Capsule 35/55 Command ship 0/3 Covert ops 5/2 Cruiser 32/20 Destroyer 4/8 Dreadnought 0/1 Frigate 8/37 Heavy assault 2/4 Industrial 7/0 Interceptor 18/8 Interdictor 5/0 Logistics 1/1 Mining barge 0/0 Mothership 0/0 Recon ship 9/2 Transport 1 1 Efficiency VS CVA: 41% Efficiency VS NOS: 71% Overal Efficiency: 57.52% (not including the three large pos (two of which we managed to get to deathstar status)) These stats also do not include the IO losses, which were about 20-25 support in the one large fleet battle we had, in addition to a few straglers here and there. Now Recruiting
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.06 12:05:00 - [6] Recent activity More recently we have been leaving small elite gangs have a bit of fun & have sent the occasional 10-15 man gang up if it looked like a fight was possible. Things have been going extreemly well and we have noticed that overall activity in NOS space has dramaticly fallen, with few reponse gangs being formed to meet us. That being said, a fairly sizeable gang of cruisers was spotted in G7 last night so there is hope for future encounters! Recent stats (Since the Beach Head) Kills: 65 Losses: 10 Damage done (ISK): 2945.33M Damage received (ISK): 717.25M Runtime: 8 days Efficiency: 80.42% Battlecruiser 13/2 Battleship 13/0 Capsule 10/3 Covert ops 1/0 Cruiser 7/0 Destroyer 2/0 Frigate 2/1 Heavy assault 3/1 Industrial 8/0 Interceptor 1/1 Recon ship 2/2 Shuttle 1/0 Now Recruiting
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.06 12:06:00 - [7] Overall Stats(As far back as our KB allows) Kills: 336 Losses: 102 Damage done (ISK): 13836.31M Damage received (ISK): 2969.1M Efficiency: 82.33% Assault frigate 12/5 Battlecruiser 47/9 Battleship 65/9 Capsule 71/29 Carrier 1/0 Command ship 1/1 Covert ops 10/1 Cruiser 54/6 Destroyer 4/1 Dreadnought 0/1 Frigate 18/26 Heavy assault 4/3 Industrial 20/1 Interceptor 14/8 Interdictor 4/0 Mining barge 0/0 Mothership 0/0 Recon ship 6/3 Shuttle 2/0 Transport 1/0 Now Recruiting
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.06 12:07:00 - [8] copy + paste has really screwed up, now its all there i'll sort the formatting Now Recruiting
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.06 12:16:00 - [9] This is vidoe was put together by me a week or so ago and relates to what Eddie is posting about... You may already have seen it of you frequent the video section. http://eve-files.com/dl/90033 ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
Huge Ox UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.06 12:32:00 - [10] Nice report sounds like your having fun
BCBArclight Odessa Operations Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.03.06 13:04:00 - [11] Nice Write up, I would like to make a reply but bit busy atm, will edit this later with a responce :)
Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.06 14:18:00 - [12] Im going to contest the figure of 40% vs CVA considering we lost 5 bs total compared to the 14 we killed along with the dreadnaught. Ill mail you the figures from the CVA side of things ingame.
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.06 14:28:00 - [13] I'm not sure how it works out efficiency, it might be on points rather than isk. i'll look at our killboard to find out. Do you want me to post the individual CVA stats for the campaign to compare? Now Recruiting
Simon Illian Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.03.06 14:41:00 - [14] Love you'r report, appear unbiased. You have fun, have pew pew. But .. a moros ? not a nag ? ____________________________________________ For all you'r Map & Data madness : http://eve.galop-spatial.com
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.06 14:46:00 - [15] Our dread fleet was mostly Nags, moros was one of the only non minmatar dreads present. Now Recruiting
Ugleb Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.06 14:49:00 - [16] I'm pretty sure our Killboard works off a points system . Having said that the kill point values are set by us (we may place a different value on a given ship class, dunno) and I believe we are looking to re-evaluate some of the isk values the board is current using. It's a rough guide only. Originally by: Simon Illian But .. a moros ? not a nag ? The better engineered Minmatar ships are harder to kill.
Equinox Daedalus Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.06 14:52:00 - [17] Edited by: Equinox Daedalus on 06/03/2007 14:49:33 Mr. Gordo, Far be it from me to note that during the 3 pos engaments where CVA feilded minimalist capital ships and utterly no response from UK at all, I would like to disagree that during the whole time frame of the engagement, you and your allies hid, and at best, fighterbombed a few random times after the inital Jump-in into your defensive postion, where we would of course take casulaties. However imagine ACSN posting "well we put up some towers in a bob system, got our fleet guarding the system killed, lost a dread, then lost our 3 towers without being able to do anything about it" Sounds about right to Me. Keep up the fight thou (edited for grammer) The Legion of Spoon Upon wings of wax I fly, never to close to the sun [/center]
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.06 14:58:00 - [18] Equinox, if you had actualy read the post from begining to end you would see I havent written that bit up yet. Now Recruiting
Equinox Daedalus Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.06 15:03:00 - [19] Edited by: Equinox Daedalus on 06/03/2007 15:06:43 Well I would post the whole story 1st then, rather then going on listing ratios etc. Would make a bit more sense. And I did indeed think it was a nice write up, just wished you would tell the whole story rather then just the "good uk parts" But if your not finished I'll let you do so but try to tell the story and less stats. Personally I care less about killratios then I do about the final outcome. Which was by the way, Amarr Victor! The Legion of Spoon : Upon wings of wax I fly, never to close to the sun
Plymer Ization Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.06 15:06:00 - [20] Nice write up, seems impartial to either side for the most part.
Faerath Caldari Noshikkan Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.03.06 15:11:00 - [21] Nice write-up. I'm afraid most of us don't enter their data on the new kill board yet, so it's hard to compare the figures =/
Elliott Manchild omen. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.03.06 15:14:00 - [22] Very well writen, seems very unbias hope you are all having fun \o/ Your sig is too big, maximum size is 24000 bytes. Email us at [email protected] if you have any questions. - Devil Leave me be you evil mods =[
Centurin Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.03.06 16:22:00 - [23] Sounds like fun engagements. Thanks for the write up. ----------------------------------------------- "It's great playing Caldari Online, isn't it?" by Xori Ruscuv
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.06 16:23:00 - [24] Good write up on your second expedition to that space, nice to see some familiar faces in this thread.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.03.06 17:01:00 - [25] The initial engagement was challenging. Having to siege two or three more towers that were put up during the off-hours and were then left undefended was not. It all looked much like a test of the Amarrian resolve, which was unbroken throughout the campaign as usual. I really admire the dedication of those pilots who made themselves available for all takedowns. That's what really separates the Amarr loyalist elite from the rabble. It is always good to see 50 pilots scramble within 20 minutes to defend the Empire, willing to put their lives on the line for Emperor and their comrades. Amarr Victor indeed. Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.06 17:04:00 - [26] this is an OOC forum tharrn, try not to blurr the lines. Now Recruiting
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.03.06 17:27:00 - [27] CAOD, CAOS. Somehow they all look alike :/ Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Cythrawl Caldari Central Defiance	Posted - 2007.03.06 17:30:00 - [28] UK and the duct-tape ships ftw! Seriously though... I blame alot of the all-time stats on NOS on Fleshdiver. Good to see you guys starting to beat some heads after we left, even though we're back south again. =+=+=+=+=+=+= DEFY Killboard
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.06 17:41:00 - [29] Terrific write-up, Eddie. It is a common misconception that the war between CVA and U'K is a cute little rp thing in its own little sandbox...but it's fast paced and rough, plenty of casualties to go around, with allies on either side. Surely not as significant a war as "the big one" that's cooking off all around us, but no less real.
Mah Kraah Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.06 17:46:00 - [30] i think to prevent ribble rabble discussions of we had this u had that etc and to clarifie balance in the engagement from the gate battle to the dread kill: U'K 1 Dread, 6 Carriers, 11 BS, 2 CS,5 BC, 40 support. total, 64 Amarr coalition 5 carriers, 33 BS, 2 CS,17 BC, 33 support. total 90 this numbers are taken from killboard and it lists all ships involved in kill or loss mails . deciding factor was the amarr coalition responded so fast. it was planed to get the pos into siege and ours armed and ready bevore we have to face the full amarr wrath and than beeing able to do strikes and retreat to pos or fight with the support of the pos guns to get the upperhand. cva and its allys where able to ralley a superior force and get it into the battleground system in less than 50 minutes after we started to operation and therefor spoiling our plan, 2 guns online only dont do the trick :-) , verry much respect for that
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.06 17:48:00 - [31] Hello Eddie, good to see you having fun! (you filthy subhuman) ;) Keep the reports coming. ----------------------------------------------
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Azathila Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.03.06 18:18:00 - [33] Well it has been a fun few weeks to say the least. I have a knack to miss all the good fights though . I won't spoil the reason for the amount of Corp Hangars on that POS (spoils the epic stories when this is over ), but you'll for a long time when you do find out.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.03.06 18:18:00 - [34] Originally by: Mah Kraah i think to prevent ribble rabble discussions of we had this u had that etc and to clarifie balance in the engagement from the gate battle to the dread kill: U'K 1 Dread, 6 Carriers, 11 BS, 2 CS,5 BC, 40 support. total, 64 Amarr coalition 5 carriers, 33 BS, 2 CS,17 BC, 33 support. total 90 this numbers are taken from killboard and it lists all ships involved in kill or loss mails . deciding factor was the amarr coalition responded so fast. it was planed to get the pos into siege and ours armed and ready bevore we have to face the full amarr wrath and than beeing able to do strikes and retreat to pos or fight with the support of the pos guns to get the upperhand. cva and its allys where able to ralley a superior force and get it into the battleground system in less than 50 minutes after we started to operation and therefor spoiling our plan, 2 guns online only dont do the trick :-) , verry much respect for that Just that it wasn't U'K vs Amarr Coalition but Freedom Coalition (for a lack of a better name) vs Amarr Coalition. Wasn't there IO, BoS et al around, too? Total numbers for both sides or U'K vs CVA only :P Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Winters Dawn TW Industries Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.03.06 18:22:00 - [35] I am afraid that uk is a bit delusional. We use gatecamps sometimes to protect our miners and ratters from their gank squads. The Nos name may have been around for a bit but this is the third time NOS is being rebuilt. Neither of the leaders before left much to work with. As the new leader of NOS, I can assure you that if we ever decide to build a station we will not be stupid enough to store the materials in our space. Frankly, I dont think I want the hasssle of doing so anyway. I dont think we even have any corps left that was around with the first leaders. I was not. So do not confuse thier actions with ours. We had nothing to do with them or any thing they did.
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.06 18:29:00 - [36] Originally by: Tharrn Originally by: Mah Kraah i think to prevent ribble rabble discussions of we had this u had that etc and to clarifie balance in the engagement from the gate battle to the dread kill: U'K 1 Dread, 6 Carriers, 11 BS, 2 CS,5 BC, 40 support. total, 64 Amarr coalition 5 carriers, 33 BS, 2 CS,17 BC, 33 support. total 90 this numbers are taken from killboard and it lists all ships involved in kill or loss mails . deciding factor was the amarr coalition responded so fast. it was planed to get the pos into siege and ours armed and ready bevore we have to face the full amarr wrath and than beeing able to do strikes and retreat to pos or fight with the support of the pos guns to get the upperhand. cva and its allys where able to ralley a superior force and get it into the battleground system in less than 50 minutes after we started to operation and therefor spoiling our plan, 2 guns online only dont do the trick :-) , verry much respect for that Just that it wasn't U'K vs Amarr Coalition but Freedom Coalition (for a lack of a better name) vs Amarr Coalition. Wasn't there IO, BoS et al around, too? Total numbers for both sides or U'K vs CVA only :P Total Numbers for all involved in any incomming or outgoing kills on both the IO and UK killboards. Now Recruiting
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.06 18:32:00 - [37] Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 06/03/2007 18:28:56 Originally by: Winters Dawn I am afraid that uk is a bit delusional. We use gatecamps sometimes to protect our miners and ratters from their gank squads. The Nos name may have been around for a bit but this is the third time NOS is being rebuilt. Neither of the leaders before left much to work with. As the new leader of NOS, I can assure you that if we ever decide to build a station we will not be stupid enough to store the materials in our space. Frankly, I dont think I want the hasssle of doing so anyway. I dont think we even have any corps left that was around with the first leaders. I was not. So do not confuse thier actions with ours. We had nothing to do with them or any thing they did. If no official announcements are made, how are we to know? I only ask because if it had become apparent that your leadership had changed again we would have probably had a go at diplomacy again. Now this new information has come to light we may well have another go. Secondly, having built an outpost I have to say you would be crazy NOT to store the low end minerals in a pos before deployment because freighters cannot drop cans and carriers/motherships filled with haulers are too small and the fuel costs would be crazy. Now Recruiting
Angry Dan Caldari Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.06 18:43:00 - [38] You got one bit of history wrong there. Huzzah Fed used to run the QBL pocket as NBSI. We were jsut very lax about it. NOS had the same policy whilst I was there. Well done on the write up. It makes a change to see a balanced, honest report form the leader of an alliance. Founder member of the Huzzah Federation. Remember, the grass is greener on our side of the fence Originally by: Butter Dog Good Sportsmanship > Winning.
Redwolf Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.06 20:48:00 - [39] Originally by: Eddie Gordo The truth of the matter is that nobody can really remember anymore and most dont care. I remember. I care only from the perspective that you are no longer strong enough to attack CVA so you choose to attack peacable nieghbours. I can only agree with Equinox, a complete write up would sit better than meaningless and skewed stats. For instance, no mention of the 1-2bil of lost towers and pos mods? ---- It's great being Amarr, ain't it?
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.06 20:54:00 - [40] Originally by: Eddie Gordo Placeholder: Ushra'khan Loses Grip Ive run out of time on my lunchbreak, so i'll post details of this later. Suffice to say though we lost the system and the juicy POS is still standing. Like I said to equinox, please read the full post before commenting. Prepare for the full section of that story after battlestar galactica finishes. Now Recruiting
Witch Doctor Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.06 20:59:00 - [41] It's nice to see that there's at least one war that shows class and style and doesn't degrade to yet another boring forum smackfest. I'm hoping CVA can live up to their reputation and match the class that U'K is showing. It's what sets both of your alliances apart here in the CoAD cesspool.
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2007.03.06 21:09:00 - [42] Originally by: Witch Doctor It's nice to see that there's at least one war that shows class and style and doesn't degrade to yet another boring forum smackfest. I'm hoping CVA can live up to their reputation and match the class that U'K is showing. It's what sets both of your alliances apart here in the CoAD cesspool. Personally its not been that bad recently. Few bad apples on each side, but a hell of alot of decent posts ive been reading. Taur
Neesa Corrinne Black Watch Legionnaires Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.06 23:47:00 - [43] Originally by: Azathila Well it has been a fun few weeks to say the least. I have a knack to miss all the good fights though . I won't spoil the reason for the amount of Corp Hangars on that POS (spoils the epic stories when this is over ), but you'll for a long time when you do find out. Some of us already know.
ElHofi Minmatar the Organ Grinder and Company Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2007.03.07 00:01:00 - [44] Nice writeup Eddie, Good see you guys still holding on what you are doing. Good Luck for you guys and keep up the good work.
Aran Cole Minmatar The Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.03.07 00:54:00 - [45] Can't wait for the writeup of the second part. Don't forget AM though, we had 7 or 8 pilots there And I finally got my revenge on Jorund Bork for being one of the people on my first PVP death-mail _______________________
Brunswick2 eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.07 01:41:00 - [46] I'd like to say "Hi" to some of my old m8's from NOS, I miss some of ya I wish you guys all the luck in the future.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.07 02:01:00 - [47] Go UK!! /looks at the Amarr guys in his corp... What??? Blog
Redwolf Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.07 06:31:00 - [48] Originally by: Eddie Gordo Originally by: Eddie Gordo Placeholder: Ushra'khan Loses Grip Ive run out of time on my lunchbreak, so i'll post details of this later. Suffice to say though we lost the system and the juicy POS is still standing. Like I said to equinox, please read the full post before commenting. Prepare for the full section of that story after battlestar galactica finishes. BSG finished ages ago, get a move on! sends for his slaver hounds ---- It's great being Amarr, ain't it?
Canary Wharf Solo for UNCLE Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.03.07 08:56:00 - [49] Edited by: Canary Wharf on 07/03/2007 08:53:41 Originally by: Eddie Gordo Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 06/03/2007 18:46:46 Originally by: Winters Dawn I am afraid that uk is a bit delusional. We use gatecamps sometimes to protect our miners and ratters from their gank squads. The Nos name may have been around for a bit but this is the third time NOS is being rebuilt. Neither of the leaders before left much to work with. As the new leader of NOS, I can assure you that if we ever decide to build a station we will not be stupid enough to store the materials in our space. Frankly, I dont think I want the hasssle of doing so anyway. I dont think we even have any corps left that was around with the first leaders. I was not. So do not confuse thier actions with ours. We had nothing to do with them or any thing they did. If no official announcements are made, how are we to know? I only ask because if it had become apparent that your leadership had changed again we would have probably had a go at diplomacy. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=431596 There are a few UK comments in that thread as well.
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.07 09:15:00 - [50] Thats the thread I linked in the OP, the one where transendence breaks off ties with Ushra'khan and re-affirms support for the CVA. I spoke with Winters Dawn last night and will do so again today. As for the bit of the story the CVA are all waiting for (the bit where we lose our pos) you will have to wait till lunch time, or possibly after 17:00 tonight. I'd like to say rl got in the way, in a sense it did. But the reality is I fell asleap during road wars... watching TV in bed 4tl. Now Recruiting
kincajou niten Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.07 09:30:00 - [51] Nice write-up Eddie, and gives some light on the why you started that campaign! Looking for more. :-) Regarding killboard stats - there will be always disagreements on the numbers and inaccuracy because of not all posted their kill/loss mails and there are multiple alliances taking part in the battle. Again, nice to know what you are thinking about the outcome of the initial battle/whole campaign, even if we do not agree with that. :-) To public out there not in conflict: since CVA and U'K have mutual agreement on not using alts and spies versus each other, such posts give us insight on how our enemy operate. Always interesting. :-)
Scagga Laebetrovo Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.03.07 11:10:00 - [52] Nice writeup. Will there be any predictions as to the future of this campaign? Delictum 23216 Official forums
Cythrawl Caldari Central Defiance	Posted - 2007.03.07 11:28:00 - [53] Originally by: Avernus Go UK!! /looks at the Amarr guys in his corp... What??? /applytinfoilhat FIX IS BACKING UK! UK IS JOINING BOB/FIX IN TEH WAR! /detachtinfoilhat Ok, I'm joking, but someone had to add a little crazy flamer to this post. It's looking too respectable. We as a forum community have an amount of decorum to keep up. =+=+=+=+=+=+= DEFY Killboard
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.07 11:38:00 - [54] I honestly can't help it, CVA vs UK is the coolest ongoing war in Eve, and it's been going for over two years. I'm Intaki, ofc I have to back UK! Blog
maihem TBC Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.07 13:16:00 - [55] the CVA/UK conflict is the best rivalry in EVE, i truly hope that both sides can be kept out of the "bob war" that will be going on around and possibly even through their space in the near future. i also hope that neither side actually "wins" and is able to take the other out of the game because that would be the end of something that both side really are enjoying. cheers to both of you. I dont jog, it makes the ice cubes jump right out of my glass.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.03.07 13:22:00 - [56] No side can be taken out - the worst that could happen to one side would be to be forced back into Empire, and that would neither be the end of the world nor of the conflict. It would just add some interesting twist :P Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Darius Shakor Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.07 13:47:00 - [57] Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Nice writeup. Will there be any predictions as to the future of this campaign? CVA space burns. Eddie gets the girl. Maggot has more paperwork to fill out. Zoolkhan keeps making bad poems and you're next. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal
Scagga Laebetrovo Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.03.07 13:54:00 - [58] Originally by: Darius Shakor Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Nice writeup. Will there be any predictions as to the future of this campaign? CVA space burns. Eddie gets the girl. Maggot has more paperwork to fill out. Zoolkhan keeps making bad poems and you're next. Hehe. I'm flattered Delictum 23216 Official forums
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.07 14:07:00 - [59] The Siege of QBL (an 'unofficial' perspective) The evening for Siobhan started as it had for pretty much the previous four days - located in Empire space near KBP-& harassing Imperial Order. On this particular evening very few Imperial Order were around their usual stomping grounds so when reports came in of 2 x 20 strong pirate bands wandering around Amarrian 0.0 I had no hestitation in heading back down to Misaba. The pirates turned out to be a group of approximately 20 or so SolarKillers and another group of around 20 AAA (my memory may be slightly at fault here). There was nothing strange about this as both groups do visit CVA space every now and again for a good old scrap. Anyway we started forming a gang in Misaba to chase both groups out of our space. The AAA gang had by this time dissappeared but SolarKillers were in XR and looked like they were heading away from us. So we signalled full pursuit and chased them through XR, into X6 finally catching and ganking two of them in AY - the rest fled from our larger fleet. However, in the midst of jumping our fleet (numbering around 30 at this stage) into AY we suddenly came across a previously unreported Imperial Order gang. Unfortunately, they were already in system when we arrived so they managed to get safe. We blocked the 3 exits out of the system and used a covert to hunt for them. We did actually get one of their safes and managed to drop a bubble on them but unfortunately not at the right spot so the majority of their fleet escaped. Meanwhile we had received an unconfirmed report from a neutral that a '**load' of Ushra'khan were massing in 9UY. We actually dismissed this report as an exageration initially. However while we were camping IO we sent scouts out and about and one of them did actually discover a 40 strong Ushra'khan fleet and very shortly after NOS informed us that the Ushra'khan were attacking them in QBL. Thanks to the pirate incursion and Imperial Order's early arrival (I believe Ushra'khan had been held up by an IAC fleet) we had by now already got a 40 strong fleet assembled. When word came through of the attack on NOS we decided to ignore the Imperial Order fleet and move back to refit to break the Ushra'khan siege on QBL. This process took approximately 30 minutes to reform a fleet to break into QBL. We also notified our friends in PIE, Aegis Militia and VV who sent some pilots down to Misaba to join our fleet. We proceeeded to move down to QBL arring there less than an hour after the initial attack report. We then had to decide whether to risk a jump into a prepared bubble camp with long range snipers and approximately 70 hostiles in system. As Eddie pointed out however a lot of UK's more experienced BS pilots were actually flying Dreads on this occasion and therefore we felt that with superior numbers and more heavy support we could force the camp despite jumping into a prepared position with serious lag. Anyway, the decison was taken and our fleet started to jump in. Intially the 'campers' in QBL had the advantage as many of our ships auto warped away from the fight or suffered long loading screens. Indeed we also cynoed in a number of carriers to the fight yet some of these didn't fire a single shot in anger due to lag. As the fight went the CVA/NOS/Amarr forces started to get into the fight and the relatively small UK sniper force was forced off the gate - leaving their close range support trapped in their own bubble to die at the hands of the Amarrian forces. As mentioned elsewhere we destroyed approximately 50 Ushra'khan/Imperial Order ships in this engagement losing approximately 15/20 ourselves. With entrance forced we then proceeded to warp to the POS being attacked by the Ushra'khan dread fleet. Unfortunately for us all had disengaged siege mode with the exception of Maggot's Moros which was swiftly dispatched - He did take a CVA Inty down with him however (MORE IN PART TWO) ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR**
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.07 14:44:00 - [60] (Part Two) With the immediate danger to the NOS POS relieved we then turned to assaulting the large Minmatar tower that Ushra'khan had errected. Fortunately the speed of our response meant that it wasn't quite the Deathstar it was obviously meant to have been. Only two gun turrets were online (easily tankable by BS) however it did have an absolute stack of hardeners. Nevertheless the CVA fleet succeeded in putting the POS into reinforced. We wrongly assumed that after their beating on the gate, the loss of their Dread and their POS being put into reinforced that Ushra'khan would call off their large scale assault on the system. As a result we stood down our forces temporarily. Ushra'khan and Imperial Order took advantage of this to construct a second large POS in the system and this time did succeed in arming it properly. This was clearly part of a more long term objective. The next day CVA and friends gathered a strong fleet and succeeded in locking down the system. The large number of Ushra'khan carriers and other pilots in the system was a clear indication that they were going to try and cause mayhem as we attacked their POS. However, we did not give Ushra'khan any clear opportunity to attack our Dreads without suffering horrendous casualties themselves. The reinforced (almost gunless) tower went down and we decided to hit the second large Minmatar POS (also heavily tanked). After a long slog this tower was also put in reinforced despite occasional Ushra'khan fighter attacks on CVA/NOS forces. Again we assumed that thiswould be the end of the Ushra'khan/Imperial Order assault but once again they surprised us by constructing yet another large Minmatar POS in the system when we stood down. The second large tower came out of reinforced at a godawful early time on a Saturday morning. We are sure the Minmatar's did this purposely to deny us much sleep. Nevertheless CVA and allies gathered an impressive fleet for that time of day and destroyed the POS - before attacking the new tower. As before we suceeded in putting the tower into reinforced whilst denying the Minmatars with the opportunity to make a serious assault on our sieging Dreads. Approximately nine hours later this third tower came out of reinforced in what was peak hours for both CVA and Ushra'khan. The Minmatars once again had a large number of pilots in the system but once again the number of combined allied forces meant that any serious assault on our forces was highly likely to fail with substantial losses. As Ushra'khan capital ships started cynoing out of the third POS we knew that victory was finally ours and the siege of QBL was lifted (for now). From the initial assault on a Thursday evening to the final destruction of the third large Minmatar tower on Saturday evening this was one of the most fun and intense periods of my EVE life so far. Certainly the whole thing hinged on the fact that we were able to respond so quickly and were able to break the Minmatar camp before they had a chance to really entrench in the system and that was due to two main factors. - Bad luck for the Minnies in being held up by IAC - Good luck for us in having a fleet ready for action thanks to AAA and Solarkillers I do have to say however that attacking POSes has to be one of the most mind numbingly boring things to do in EVE - especially super hardened POSes. All in all the Ushra'khan siege was great fun from my perspective and it certainly lifted things from the usual anti-pirate level of activity. I am sure we will have to return the favour at some stage. Amarr Victor... ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.07 14:53:00 - [61] Pretty accurate as always. Reasonings/motivation/explanation about the second two POS will be given tonight, but you seem to have hit the nail on the head. This was the first offensive POS attack we have tried against an equally powerful foe outside our own space and it presented a few new challenges. Hopefully next time we will overcome them Now Recruiting
Darius Shakor Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.07 17:43:00 - [62] Nice writeup Hardin. Someone had to do it eventually nudges Eddie Lazy bum. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal
Rustok HOW Industries New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.03.07 18:08:00 - [63] providence seems like fun again.
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.03.07 18:17:00 - [64] So Now that you've seen there's nothing worth it in QBL, are the attacks and POS spamming going to stop? Or has the ball been let go and it's just going to continue down the hill? Aindrias CEO FOAMI NOS
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.07 18:19:00 - [65] That will be up to your leadership when we next talk. Which will be soon. Now Recruiting
Johncrab Minmatar Typo Corp	Posted - 2007.03.07 18:27:00 - [66] UK is very cool indeed. Eddie Gordo and Maggot are very cool indeed. But... Originally by: Eddie Gordo ...Unfortunatly for Our glorious leader maggot his dread had accidently entered into another siege cycle, he was scrambled and could not move. The remnence of our fleet got into frigates with fighters assigned and tried in vein to save his ship, alas though it was not meant to be and his mighty Moros fell to the "cleansing Amarrian lasers" ... it seems like Maggot made a big mess with this one. The accident with the siege cycle is embarassing for a great leader. I know I would be ****ed. Anyway, wish the best of luck to UK. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.07 18:35:00 - [67] Originally by: Johncrab UK is very cool indeed. Eddie Gordo and Maggot are very cool indeed. But... Originally by: Eddie Gordo ...Unfortunatly for Our glorious leader maggot his dread had accidently entered into another siege cycle, he was scrambled and could not move. The remnence of our fleet got into frigates with fighters assigned and tried in vein to save his ship, alas though it was not meant to be and his mighty Moros fell to the "cleansing Amarrian lasers" ... it seems like Maggot made a big mess with this one. The accident with the siege cycle is embarassing for a great leader. I know I would be **ed. Anyway, wish the best of luck to UK. Maggot has corrected me on this. What actually happend was that because we didnt quite get the POS into reinforced mode, the single warp disruptor on it prevented him from jumping out with the rest of the fleet. As the hostile fleet came in, a couple of tackler inties engaged him. He killed one of them with small drones and activated siege mode again and promtly crashed. Given that we were in the process of losing the battle at the G7 gate I dont think it would have made too much difference, but he might have managed to score a couple of bs kills with his drones/weapons. I'm currently writting up the second half of the story now, made all the more difficult by the fact that hardin has already done such a good job :) Now Recruiting**
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.03.07 18:54:00 - [68] While I'm sure that discussion is needed between leadership, if your sole purpose to attacking the QBL and other areas was because of some build up you thought was happening and now you've discovered it isn't true, I guess I dunno what all the discussion is about unless there's more to it than that. Aindrias CEO FOAMI NOS
Vantras Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.07 19:13:00 - [69] Great posts on both sides. Well balanced battle report. Indeed the three year old war between the terrorists and the CVA is one of the great conflicts in EVE. It is a pleasure to be among the warriors that toil in service of the empire! Amarr Victor! (nice thread) Vantras
Serapis Aote Minmatar TBC Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.07 19:16:00 - [70] Originally by: Rustok providence seems like fun again. Providence is like a game within a game. GL to both sides, and much respect to both sides of this fight.
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.07 19:48:00 - [71] dev hax. dev hax. GM sniped me!! I posted the final bit of my story, and not only does it now not show up but my placeholder post is also gone!! Now Recruiting
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.07 19:51:00 - [72] Phew. Either i'm mentle or somebody nice just recovered it. It seems more likely that I have lost the plot. Now Recruiting
Davlin Lotze Raging Destruction The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.03.07 19:59:00 - [73] Originally by: Darius Shakor Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Nice writeup. Will there be any predictions as to the future of this campaign? CVA space burns. Eddie gets the girl. Maggot has more paperwork to fill out. Zoolkhan keeps making bad poems and you're next. Let me know when this comes out on DVD, I like the sound of it! Killboard
Maggot Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.07 22:07:00 - [74] Originally by: Johncrab UK is very cool indeed. Eddie Gordo and Maggot are very cool indeed. But... Originally by: Eddie Gordo ...Unfortunatly for Our glorious leader maggot his dread had accidently entered into another siege cycle, he was scrambled and could not move. The remnence of our fleet got into frigates with fighters assigned and tried in vein to save his ship, alas though it was not meant to be and his mighty Moros fell to the "cleansing Amarrian lasers" $ ... it seems like Maggot made a big mess with this one. The accident with the siege cycle is embarassing for a great leader. I know I would be ****ed. Anyway, wish the best of luck to UK. Someone had to stay behind and the fleet were busy at the gate. I thought what the hell and activated siege. At that point I already knew I was going to die, but had about 15 mins to contemplate my demise. The cva tacklers arrived when I was just coming out of ship and our warriors could have tried to save me. As the cva fleet was on me I activated siege again and my client froze instantly. I was only a little angry for the reason Eddie said, would have been nice to take a brace or two of battleships down before the ship went down.
Johncrab Minmatar Typo Corp	Posted - 2007.03.07 22:23:00 - [75] Sorry, didn't mean to flame, i'm on your side after all :) In the end just wanted to explore a part of the engagement that was left "hanging" and seemed important to me.
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation	Posted - 2007.03.08 02:46:00 - [76] Edited by: Vyktor Abyss on 08/03/2007 02:46:16 Excellent write ups Eddie and Hardin....It is nice to know the bigger picture....I also liked the video footage - and the music! Just to add - I was proud to fight with CVA and NOS and must give credit UK in the effectiveness of their operation which cost me my ship. Although I do sympathise with the plight of Minmatar slaves, I will continue to support CVA as long as they promote 'safe' patrolled 0.0 space for small corporations and individuals. I strongly believe in CVA's very forward thinking concept of opening 0.0 space to be properly utilized for mutual gain. Good luck to both sides, Vyk. (minus 1 Megathron ) - Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint! Please read my ideas
Neesa Corrinne Black Watch Legionnaires Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.08 02:51:00 - [77] Edited by: Neesa Corrinne on 08/03/2007 02:51:22 Originally by: Aindrias While I'm sure that discussion is needed between leadership, if your sole purpose to attacking the QBL and other areas was because of some build up you thought was happening and now you've discovered it isn't true, I guess I dunno what all the discussion is about unless there's more to it than that. This sounds like a very thinly veiled "Are you going to stop shooting us any time soon?" plea. No. Neesa Corrinne
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.03.08 04:26:00 - [78] Edited by: Aindrias on 08/03/2007 04:33:39 Originally by: Neesa Corrinne Edited by: Neesa Corrinne on 08/03/2007 02:51:22 Originally by: Aindrias While I'm sure that discussion is needed between leadership, if your sole purpose to attacking the QBL and other areas was because of some build up you thought was happening and now you've discovered it isn't true, I guess I dunno what all the discussion is about unless there's more to it than that. This sounds like a very thinly veiled "Are you going to stop shooting us any time soon?" plea. No. Neesa Corrinne Actually it was a poke through the thin veil covering the real reason to attack, I'm enjoying myself actually. I guess I know what I'm dealing with in UK, few NOSers will ever trust you Neesa, not for a minute, since you betrayed NOS. Not to mention the now two corps (Privateers and Repo Industries) that have war dec'd us conveinantly when the UK/IO aggression started and have been seen working directly together in G7AQ. I just find the reasoning suspect, "Uh oh, they might make cap ship or a station like all the other alliances, we need to go and attack..." Not ask... but ATTACK, and then POS spam after you figured out there's nothing there, your Reasons to attack are a little shaky. I know this is a PvP game, but CVA and UK are Roleplaying alliances, which is cool, so you'd think you'd need more than "It's a PvP game" to go to war.
Neesa Corrinne Black Watch Legionnaires Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.08 05:46:00 - [79] I don't want and/or need NOS trust. I want to see NOS crumble into dust and fade away like a burnt out phoenix... as is deserving of anyone who befriends slave traders. My friends are here now.
kashkaisha Minmatar Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.03.08 06:50:00 - [80] Gj Ushra'Khan protecting the world from the ebil priests
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.03.08 06:51:00 - [81] Originally by: Neesa Corrinne I don't want and/or need NOS trust. I want to see NOS crumble into dust and fade away like a burnt out phoenix... as is deserving of anyone who befriends slave traders. My friends are here now. Nice reply, and IO/UK are using Merc corps that use the "War Dec" Trick. Fun Fun. I was wondering if your next post could.. you know... address the issues I raised instead of.. you know... not addressing anything? 2007.03.08 05:15 Fate. has declared war on Novus Ordos Seclorum. Fighting can legally occur between those involved. 2007.03.08 05:15 The war between Fate. and Novus Ordos Seclorum is coming to an end. Fate. has retracted the war against Novus Ordos Seclorum. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours.
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.08 08:02:00 - [82] I think fate were in privateers, and I also think you have been declared war on by privateers. Privateers have a lot of corps comming and going, and when a corp leaves they are at war with you for a 24hr period. This is why you get a war dec from them and then a retraction. We have also had a war with the privateers. We dont right now but I think its just because they forgot to pay the bill. Now Recruiting
Maggot Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.08 08:06:00 - [83] The only contract UK has ever paid to Mercenaries was during the pirate siege of 9UY eight months ago for Capital ship assistance. Privateers are hostile to U'K. If you have real evidence of any U'K working with pirates then please feel free to present it to me via mail so it can be dealt with,
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.08 10:31:00 - [84] Originally by: Aindrias Originally by: Neesa Corrinne I don't want and/or need NOS trust. I want to see NOS crumble into dust and fade away like a burnt out phoenix... as is deserving of anyone who befriends slave traders. My friends are here now. Nice reply, and IO/UK are using Merc corps that use the "War Dec" Trick. Fun Fun. I was wondering if your next post could.. you know... address the issues I raised instead of.. you know... not addressing anything? 2007.03.08 05:15 Fate. has declared war on Novus Ordos Seclorum. Fighting can legally occur between those involved. 2007.03.08 05:15 The war between Fate. and Novus Ordos Seclorum is coming to an end. Fate. has retracted the war against Novus Ordos Seclorum. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours. Aindrias, I suggest you accept that Ushra'khan have decided to eliminate (or at least make their life difficult) for NOS. I wouldn't worry too much about this - see it as a learning opportunity. CVA has after all been fighting them for 3.5 years on and off - its good practice and an opportunity to recruit some pilots who like to shoot things. However, as far as I know the only time Ushra'khan had dealings with Mercs was when ISS hired MC to help defend 9UY. As for Privateers they dec everyone - indeed CVA has now had 3/4 wars with them and I know Ushra'khan are also fighting them now too - so I imagine their war dec is coincidental. Repo Industries do seem to be getting involved but that may have more to do with Imperial Order (or their own agenda) than Ushra'khan. ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
Darius Shakor Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.08 12:09:00 - [85] Originally by: Aindrias I just find the reasoning suspect, "Uh oh, they might make cap ship or a station like all the other alliances, we need to go and attack..." Not ask... but ATTACK, and then POS spam after you figured out there's nothing there, your Reasons to attack are a little shaky. I know this is a PvP game, but CVA and UK are Roleplaying alliances, which is cool, so you'd think you'd need more than "It's a PvP game" to go to war. You have it a little backwards there so let me clear it up for you since I am in command of the intel gathering wing that picked that system. We noticed an increase in bubble camps in that system suddenly when our raiding parties passed through. We checked your POS in the systems in the area and found what we see to be an abnormally high number of hangars in one of your pos. We assume a stockpile for cap ship production or outpost construction. We attack to stop you from doing whatever it was you were doing with those hangars. At the very least it looked like a tasty supply base. All of that means it is a valid target. You speak as though we have been neutral all the while and were looking for a reason to open hostilities. We have been hostile since the first word of your assistance to the CVA reached our ears. Your people have raided our space in the past with the CVA in joint gangs and you have helped them defend their space from us. Now you think we should have asked if you were building anything? And if not then we have no reason to attack? Seriously now... No one ever askes an enemy to reveal a potentially juicy target like an outpost stockpile because we would not get an honest answer if it was and tip our hand to an attack. And just because that was not the case after the fact doesn't mean we should not have attacked anyway. You are, as I said, an enemy and friend of an enemy. Any attack is justified so it is not like we broke some unwritten rule. Hope that clears up the real reason why we attacked. Not just because we were bored and looking for something to do and cooked up false reasons to take down a POS of yours. We have reason enough given your hostile status. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:05:00 - [86] Originally by: Maggot The only contract UK has ever paid to Mercenaries was during the pirate siege of 9UY eight months ago for Capital ship assistance. Privateers are hostile to U'K. If you have real evidence of any U'K working with pirates then please feel free to present it to me via mail so it can be dealt with, You can take my word or not, but last night a group of 10 - 12 Repo Industries and U'K including Neesa Corrine were in the QBL/S9X area trying to bait us. You can ask Winters Dawn too, she was there. This maybe IO hiring them, I did say "IO/UK" in previous posts. I should have gotten screen shots. I was aware of Privateers War Dec'ing nearly everyone, not aware of FATE's circumstances. I stand so corrected It's fine if they want to attack because we're in it with CVA, which we were sorta forced into because as it was said.. UK Gank squads were running through our space, it felt natural to assist CVA in their operations.... and imagine that... put up a bubble around a pocket... an easily defensible area where we like to mine, rat etc. The WMD Bush Defense doesn't work though. "We're attacking because they can WMD us... oh wait.. nothing is there... That's ok we'll continue on anyways..." CVA has rarely asked for help because they'd rather do their own thing. We're friendly to them because they don't run gank squads through our space like U'K/IO has. I'm sure they want NOS around because we don't run gank squads into their space like U'K does. Now that U'K has taken more interest in NOS space, CVA doesn't want them on that doorstep and has stepped up it's assistance to NOS and visa versa, which is much appreciated. I get the reasoning now why U'K has taken an interest in NOS space. It would strategic in their war against CVA and they think because we booted Neesa out that we're she's been spreading misinformation about our relationship with CVA. Just no one is really admiting to saying that until now. THanks! Aindrias
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:17:00 - [87] Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 08/03/2007 17:16:36 We arent using a WMD bush defence. We attacked you before the POS incident, and after my conversation with winters dawn we will continue to do so afterwards. It wasent the reason for the war, just the battle. The fact that the POS didnt contain an outpost or a super capital kinda sucks from our point of view, but we did at least have some fun in our first offensive POS strike. Really, the only thing thats changed is the need to strike that particular Large POS as priority #1 is no longer there. Now Recruiting
Deren Thaldrel Minmatar Black Watch Legionnaires Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.08 23:17:00 - [88] Originally by: Aindrias You can take my word or not, but last night a group of 10 - 12 Repo Industries and U'K including Neesa Corrine were in the QBL/S9X area trying to bait us. You can ask Winters Dawn too, she was there. This maybe IO hiring them, I did say "IO/UK" in previous posts. I should have gotten screen shots. It shouldn't be necessary, but I will clear this up. Several times when my mates in [BWL], surely you are familiar with Calypso's Wrath, Neesa and others, have gone NOS farming we have encountered Repo Industries swarming through at the same time. While they seem nice enough people they do seem to make it difficult to chain NOS spawns. On none of the operations I have participated on have we worked with Repo Industries, which I define as sharing any substantial intel or sharing gangs with them, so I think this is more coincidence than anything else. They are in your space, we are in your space, shrug It happens. Originally by: Aindrias I get the reasoning now why U'K has taken an interest in NOS space. It would strategic in their war against CVA and they think because we booted Neesa out that we're she's been spreading misinformation about our relationship with CVA. Just no one is really admiting to saying that until now. THanks! Aindrias Well several things regarding this. I think you are severely overstating Neesa's influence in UK :) lol While Neesa has an undoubtedly sexy avatar she is not in a position of leadership within [BWL] or [UNITY]. She is a respected and valued member of our corporation and the alliance we call home, but she doesn't dictate policy (and to my knowlege) has not been involved planning of this particular series of operations or the general activities against NOS. Several members of [BWL] knew Neesa quite well when she was in NOS as she spent a lot of time with us in Molden Heath hunting mutual enemies. She's a fantastic asset to our corp,a great friend, and a great pilot to boot. Its not surprising you're bitter over her leaving your alliance, any alliance should be so lucky to have members as skilled and dedicated as her. Sincerely, Deren Thaldrel Black Watch Legionnaires
Dragutinovic Caldari Bladerunners Mordus Angels	Posted - 2007.03.08 23:27:00 - [89] When i was still on my main in KIA n the best contract ever . Why ? No smack etc just playing EvE , altho there was a fight against you etc GL to you guys actually teh very best , a prime example ;) _____________ Im back !
Calypso's Wrath Caldari Black Watch Legionnaires Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.08 23:36:00 - [90] Edited by: Calypso''s Wrath on 08/03/2007 23:33:54 Last night Neesa, myself and 2 others made a foray into NOS space. After we were there for about 45 mins trying our hardest to find a decent NOS spawn that was not a frigate, shuttle, POD (I mean come on guys) we came across a raven with a pretty flippin mean tank. He stuck around, but when his tank died he did what was smart and jetted through the gate. OK good for him, GF all around. About 15 mins later, yes a group Repo Industries types showed up. They were looking for a fight too. I had a covo window open to their Commander and UK SET OFF TO DO THEIR OWN THING. I do not join mixed gangs. Plain and simple. When that cva vulture came through (The one with the UNGODLY tank) yes we came the 3 jumps to help allies. Either way, I enjoy fighting NOS. They donÆt quote scripture to me and limited smack. I like they way they are adapting to our raids, its making things more interesting. You guys almost got me with a 14 man gang the other night, almost uncloaked me by about 150m. Either way I sincerely hope that UK command does not work out +ve standings with you guys.
Neesa Corrinne Black Watch Legionnaires Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.09 00:34:00 - [91] Not only am I not spreading disinformation about NOS, but I'm not involved in any leadership discussions at all. You have to start at the bottom in any new organization and I'm just not at that level of planning yet. In fact, if I HAD been involved in leadership discussions, then I would have informed them that the POS they were attacking was the mining/refining POS that NOS put up in FSW just before I left and had little or nothing to do with cap ship production or Outpost construction. NOS was dead broke when I left a few months ago and I doubt they have a mountain if ISK for an Outpost suddenly. Finally: This whole episode would be a non-issue right now if Transendence had not declared allegiance to CVA and reneged on the neutrality agreement with UK. (See OP's link) Transendence brought this upon you all, so maybe you should be asking him why we won't let you rat in peace instead of asking us. The olive branch was extended and we got a knife in the back in return. Your loss. Neesa Corrinne
Rylet VanDorn Caldari Pastafarians Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.03.09 00:45:00 - [92] Edited by: Rylet VanDorn on 09/03/2007 00:43:21 Edited by: Rylet VanDorn on 09/03/2007 00:42:28 Edited by: Rylet VanDorn on 09/03/2007 00:41:46 I've been "ratting in peace" for months. It's very, very boring. The events that were portrayed here have actually gotten me logging into Eve for more than 5 minutes to switch skills. This alone is amazing to me. As someone who enjoys both EvE and "The Evil Game" WoW, 90% of the time I prefer WoW, simply because it's easier to find an even fight. The one thing I cannot stand about EvE is the penalty of failure. This isn't because I can't come up with a replacement ship... it's because people put WAY too much emphasis in NEVER, EVER, DYING. Do you know how frustrating it is playing jumpgate ping-pong with someone in a nanophoon, or hide & go afk with a recon that only uncloaks when they see a target that can't fight back? That's not to mention the people who roll into your area with 10 guys claiming to be "looking for a fight", gank a few solos who didn't have a scout, then bug out once you've formed a gang to take them down. Finally getting into some mutual PVP action has been the best experience I've had in this game, even if I'm only providing intel while cloaked. Anyway, I hope everyone on both sides had fun, and I look forward to anything that might be on the horizon. Edit: OMG! I HAVE A PROFILE PICTURE! HALLELUJAH THERE MUST BE A GOD.
Karinith Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.03.09 03:08:00 - [93] Originally by: Deren Thaldrel Edited by: Deren Thaldrel on 08/03/2007 23:31:13 Edited by: Deren Thaldrel on 08/03/2007 23:28:42 Originally by: Aindrias You can take my word or not, but last night a group of 10 - 12 Repo Industries and U'K including Neesa Corrine were in the QBL/S9X area trying to bait us. You can ask Winters Dawn too, she was there. This maybe IO hiring them, I did say "IO/UK" in previous posts. I should have gotten screen shots. It shouldn't be necessary, but I will clear this up. Several times when my mates in [BWL], surely you are familiar with Calypso's Wrath, Neesa and others, have gone NOS farming we have encountered Repo Industries swarming through at the same time. While they seem nice enough people they do seem to make it difficult to chain NOS spawns. On none of the operations I have participated on have we worked with Repo Industries, which I define as sharing any substantial intel or sharing gangs with them, so I think this is more coincidence than anything else. They are in your space, we are in your space, shrug It happens. No kidding, the feeling is mutual. Everytime I'm about to harvest some NOS equipment in the belts you guys always show up at the wrong time and scare off my quary.
Ugleb Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.09 13:01:00 - [94] Originally by: Aindrias It's fine if they want to attack because we're in it with CVA, which we were sorta forced into because as it was said.. UK Gank squads were running through our space, it felt natural to assist CVA in their operations.... and imagine that... put up a bubble around a pocket... an easily defensible area where we like to mine, rat etc. The WMD Bush Defense doesn't work though. "We're attacking because they can WMD us... oh wait.. nothing is there... That's ok we'll continue on anyways..." CVA has rarely asked for help because they'd rather do their own thing. We're friendly to them because they don't run gank squads through our space like U'K/IO has. I'm sure they want NOS around because we don't run gank squads into their space like U'K does. Now that U'K has taken more interest in NOS space, CVA doesn't want them on that doorstep and has stepped up it's assistance to NOS and visa versa, which is much appreciated. I get the reasoning now why U'K has taken an interest in NOS space. It would strategic in their war against CVA and they think because we booted Neesa out that we're she's been spreading misinformation about our relationship with CVA. Just no one is really admiting to saying that until now. THanks! Aindrias I'm going to the Ushra'Khan council chambers right after posting this for a right good spanking (I shouldn't be posting in this thread at all) but I want to try and get across to Aindrias and other like minded people why NOS are a valid target to us. Many moons ago (could be tling 18months by now) probably before most of the current NOS members were even in NOS judging by earlier posts in this thread, we saw that NOS were supporting the CVA in providence. I think this was an inherited relationship from the old Huzzah Federation days. Back then we launched an offensive from our bases in empire to attack the Amarrian expansion into Providence. We called this campaign "Providence shall burn". When NOS formed the relationship was re-affirmed by NOS raids into our newly claimed kneck of Providence. From our point of view (I was still council back then, bold for stessing the fact that we can't read your minds) NOS had dictated the score and were continuing the pro-CVA relationship. Later on there was a leadership change in NOS and that oft quoted link comes in with NOS first offering peace then outright declaring for CVA again, in a no holds barred tone to boot. Our relations with NOS have not had any reason to change since then. I'm retired from council now but afaik there has been very little diplomatic contact prior to The Siege of QBL (historical event ppl, big it up!), none whatsoever that I'm aware of. We have been running raids ever since, the only new development in 'policy' is that The Siege of QBL is the first alliance op aimed at NOS in a very long time. Possibly the first in fact as Providence shall Burn was against the now defunct Huzzah. The raids since are folowing the same policy we had pre-QBL, they're just more frequent as pilots are more aware of the area. So why are you, non-rp'ers a valid target for us, an rp-alliance? Our RP dictates that we must attack slavery when ever possible. The Amarr Empire is ofc the big enemy, the CVA are (according to their RP) attempting to expand the empire into Providence. Your group as a history of co-operating with them. He who supports a slaver directly or indirectly supports slavery. You help them to build up the empire, you help to further slavery. You have attached yourselves (knowingly or not) to the Slavery conflict. You are, to our characters beliefs, accomplices. The key to roleplay is to act consistently to the beliefs of your character. The Ushra'Khan is made up of relatively (or decidely) extreme people. We will take things to extremes if our principles are violated no matter who has offended us. RP is not restricted to RP'ers, it applies at all times.
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.03.09 16:57:00 - [95] Quote: I'm going to the Ushra'Khan council chambers right after posting this for a right good spanking (I shouldn't be posting in this thread at all) but I want to try and get across to Aindrias and other like minded people why NOS are a valid target to us. Cool, this seriously is what I thought it was going to be like in a direct unbiased answer. All other responses only half hit the nail on the head and scurted around the issues. I am enjoying the hell outta myself with this PvP action. I love to RP in general, I RP in RL via LARP etc and occasionally table top and have much respect that take the "RPG" part of MMORPG seriously. Seriously, why have all the races, classes, job sets, if they're going to be discarded to simply make money, pvp and chat in real life. And btw, I wasn't around for any of the Huzzah stuff.. I joined right before that post of Transcendence. Aindrias P.S. U'K Council, don't spank him too hard, he was most informative
Rylet VanDorn Caldari Pastafarians Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.03.09 17:05:00 - [96] Edited by: Rylet VanDorn on 09/03/2007 17:02:42 Originally by: Ugleb So why are you, non-rp'ers a valid target for us, an rp-alliance? Our RP dictates that we must attack slavery when ever possible. The Amarr Empire is ofc the big enemy, the CVA are (according to their RP) attempting to expand the empire into Providence. Your group as a history of co-operating with them. He who supports a slaver directly or indirectly supports slavery. You help them to build up the empire, you help to further slavery. You have attached yourselves (knowingly or not) to the Slavery conflict. You are, to our characters beliefs, accomplices. The key to roleplay is to act consistently to the beliefs of your character. The Ushra'Khan is made up of relatively (or decidely) extreme people. We will take things to extremes if our principles are violated no matter who has offended us. RP is not restricted to RP'ers, it applies at all times To be honest I don't think anyone is asking the question "Why is U'K attacking NOS?". That much is obvious to really anyone involved. The subject has been covered. The primary question, and the reason behind suggestions that Neesa is at least directing some kind of gameplay in U'K, is "Why did U'K dedicate expansion resources to attack NOS, INSTEAD of attacking CVA." The few obvious initial answers I can potentially come up with is: 1) U'K is looking to step up the war, and go on the offensive. The first obvious step is to gain a foothold closer to CVA space. This doesn't really hold true, since there are many different approaches to attack CVA space, and many other systems between U'K and CVA/NOS that could function as a strategic foothold. B) NOS may be seen as a softer target than CVA. With organizational changes and the overall "younger" membership of NOS, this appears a bit more likely. C) NOS controls the lowest "True" sec space in the region. More of a side benefit, but not really an absolute reason to invade. All of providence is fairly high "true" security, containing none of the valuable rare ores, complexes, or resources common to -1.0 thru -0.9 systems in the regions controlled by the bigger alliances. D) Neesa was among many U'K sympathizers/operatives placed to assist in swaying NOS away from CVA, to remove the alliance as a threat altogether, AND provide a beachhead. Their failure to accomplish this mission has resulted in bad blood, and a desire to lash out. While pure conjecture formed by me, I cannot completely rule this out as a possibility. It's a tactic that I know I would attempt to employ were I in that situation. Anyway, the list of "possible" reasons goes on and on. Only U'K leadership knows the true reasons behind their decision to attack NOS instead of CVA with those resources, and in the long run it doesn't really matter. Personally? I'm just glad I had a reason to log in for a few days. Edit: Ok so after reading the post above mine, apparently someone WAS curious. = ) Thanks for clarifying everything in a well written post.
Ugleb Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.09 17:27:00 - [97] Edited by: Ugleb on 09/03/2007 17:25:06 Originally by: Rylet VanDorn D) Neesa was among many U'K sympathizers/operatives placed to assist in swaying NOS away from CVA, to remove the alliance as a threat altogether, AND provide a beachhead. Their failure to accomplish this mission has resulted in bad blood, and a desire to lash out. While pure conjecture formed by me, I cannot completely rule this out as a possibility. It's a tactic that I know I would attempt to employ were I in that situation. This is not, was not and shall not be the case. The day the Ushra'khan employs any such tactic is the day you see myself and alot of other people resign. We have very clear ideas on how the game should be played and that is not one of them. Edit - its going to be a damn long spanking.
Deren Thaldrel Minmatar Black Watch Legionnaires Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.09 20:13:00 - [98] Originally by: Rylet VanDorn D) Neesa was among many U'K sympathizers/operatives placed to assist in swaying NOS away from CVA, to remove the alliance as a threat altogether, AND provide a beachhead. Their failure to accomplish this mission has resulted in bad blood, and a desire to lash out. While pure conjecture formed by me, I cannot completely rule this out as a possibility. It's a tactic that I know I would attempt to employ were I in that situation. Again a point of clarification. After Neesa left NOS she joined the Black Watch Legionnaires [BWL]. We were operating in Molden Heath at the time. Around that time we joined NMTZ. Neesa, being a highly valued corp member, came with us when the corp voted to leave NMTZ and join Ushra'Khan, which suited our ideological/roleplaying perspectives better. [BWL] is a relatively new member of UK. Neesa is not our council representative. Neesa does not influence or make alliance policy and had no part in planning the QBL and related operations. I hope this clarifies and removes this line of thought and discussion from this thread. Best regards, Deren Thaldrel Black Watch Legionnaires
Rylet VanDorn Caldari Pastafarians Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.03.09 21:15:00 - [99] Originally by: Deren Thaldrel ...I hope this clarifies and removes this line of thought and discussion from this thread. As said in my post, the possibility of Neesa being one of many UK sympathizers/operatives was purely conjecture. Practically everything said on any internet forum is conjecture; including your clarification and assurances. The fact remains that there is no proof to confirm nor deny that Neesa was not involved in an operation to sway NOS away from CVA and ally with U'K. Hence, conjecture. I personally have nothing against Neesa. I view him/her as a defector... but that's simply an effect from his/her past actions, and I'd say that's perfectly reasonable. How else would you view someone who leaves an alliance, and then joins the opposition? Aaaanyway. I'm pretty much done posting, since this has pretty seriously derailed the thread.
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.10 01:25:00 - [100] Please. Eddie was posting battle reports for the benefit of your average EVE player who might be interested in the longest standing RP conflict in game. Lets try to respect the OP. ----------------------------------------------
Dev Corland The Blackstone Group Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.04.01 03:14:00 - [101] Yes, yes. I know. "OMGWTFTHREADNECRO" and such, but damn. Haven't seen the history on paper before And I see the drama continues...
zoolkhan Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.04.01 07:35:00 - [102] Originally by: Cythrawl Good to see you guys starting to beat some heads after we left, even though we're back south again. It may suprise you old friend, but we did that already before you joined, while you were with us, and we didnt see a reason to stop after you left... U'K recruit! ..we come for our people..

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