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Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.07 03:25:00 - [31] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 07/03/2007 03:22:15 Originally by: Limlox So, how do people come to the conclusion that BoB are the victims in all of this? I suggest the following: Do a bit of research, look into BoB's history then see if you still feel the same. I'm guessing its because when other alliances did cheating of larger scales, nobody attacked them for it. Do you think it was fine for Red Alliance to cheat themselves the ISK equivalent of 100 titans? If you don't think it was fine, why isn't it a big deal? And if it isn't, can I have a few trillion? I mean, give or take a few hundred billion --23 Member-- EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Merces Mercedis Minmatar Lunitic Fringe	Posted - 2007.03.07 03:30:00 - [32] Originally by: Luthien Firefoot Over the past couple of months we have seen the eve publics opinion on certain alliances change BECAUSE THEY WERE CAUGHT CHEATING. Ever wonder how many Devs there are? And ever wonder if those devs play the game they work hard to maintain? I would be willing to bet that in EVERY large alliance and quite a few smaller ones have Devs in them that no one knows about. Those are the Devs that have managed to keep a low profile. I for one hate BOB I feel they feel there better than all of us and I would love to see them defeated. But not for the reason given here. I hate to defend CCP here but ONE Dev made a mistake and helped HIMSELF to a BPO. From what I have been told this BPO lined his pocket more than it ever helped the corp or alliance he was in. So please if you want to see BOB defeated lets do it for the right reason and not this crappy excuse. If you go back through these forums you will see the very alliances that we are all playing in now to roll over BOB have a very storied history filled with instances of wrong doing. Most of us need to remember this is a game and the ebb and flow will change who is in power and who is not. Now LV is gone lets all work together and finish the job for the right reason.
The Jok3r Hookers From Mars	Posted - 2007.03.07 03:39:00 - [33] Originally by: Luthien Firefoot am a KOK holster IRL Fixed it for you "Dont speak english... Ctrl Q Ctrl Q "
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.07 03:42:00 - [34] Edited by: welsh wizard on 07/03/2007 03:41:07 Forget the cheating, its minor in the grand scheme of things. Heres why people don't like BoB: a) They're very good at Eve. b) We're all bitter and jealous, in much the same way as we all hate Man Utd, Chelsea or the LA/NYC Dodgebull Pit Super Vipers or whoever is good in the states at handball. :P c) They harbour large quantities of people with superiority complexes. Whether or not they're good enough to be allowed the luxury of shoving this down everyones throats is besides the bloody point (refer to point b) ). d) They're the only entity that currently poses a threat to 0.0 in its entirity. They're good enough to conquer vast amounts of conquerable space. Result? Stagnation, probably. e) They harbour large quantities of people who enjoy shooting their mouths off. "All alliances do!!" Maybe, but after 3-4 years in here there is a clear winner. f) We all still hate ATUK. :P g) We all feel we have something to prove in this game and destroying BoB is basically end game. i) They're reading posts like this and chuckling to themselves. j) There was a point (j) but its temporarily escaped my inebriated brain. End. edit: And I missed h). Probably a good idea to go to bed then.
VinceNoir Amarr Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.03.07 03:52:00 - [35] Originally by: welsh wizard b) We're all bitter and jealous, in much the same way as we all hate Man Utd, Chelsea LUFC till I die
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.07 03:56:00 - [36] pfstchwallop John Arne "I wanna know how you scored that goal" Riise and Super Stevie G all the way matey. :P
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.03.07 04:14:00 - [37] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 07/03/2007 03:22:15 Originally by: Limlox So, how do people come to the conclusion that BoB are the victims in all of this? I suggest the following: Do a bit of research, look into BoB's history then see if you still feel the same. I'm guessing its because when other alliances did cheating of larger scales, nobody attacked them for it. Do you think it was fine for Red Alliance to cheat themselves the ISK equivalent of 100 titans? If you don't think it was fine, why isn't it a big deal? And if it isn't, can I have a few trillion? I mean, give or take a few hundred billion Can you prove that no other plexes were exploited by other alliances?
boogaboob Caldari BIG Advanced Assault Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.07 04:44:00 - [38] Edited by: boogaboob on 07/03/2007 04:42:33 Seriously, Pyrrhus Sicarri, not only is your name too hard to spell, but you've surpassed Exuko Mortis (also hard to spell, so sorry if I did spell wrong) as BoB's biggest cheerleading squad. Repulsive. Moral high ground? Nahhh, not really in the sense you're trying to get at. But nearly every power in this game, with the exception of BoB (of course) and their many tenants (who fight for the right to pay the rent? 'Cause that's what your doing. WTF?) recognizes BoB in their current form represents too large a threat to the well-being of the game, to the continued diversity of 0.0 space, to be allowed to continue to exist at their current level of power and influence. We know that if we allow you (well actually, your masters) to continue to grow, all that will be left of 0.0 will be a blank expanse of Band of Brothers blue, with dozens and dozens of spineless, rent-paying tenants. Certain other alliances may eventually want to accomlish the same thing, but none but BoB has nearly enough power, enough resolve to do so. D2? Nahh. Even if they did manage it- and they won't- They treat the allies that live in their space much more like allies and less like pets. Before and after BoB, alliances will rise to power. They will rise, and they will fall. BoB is the only constant, and they have grown fat and swollen. Far too powerful. In order for EVE to proceed as it has for years, BoB must be brought down. The balance must be restored. You and your ilk are standing in the way of that restoration. So you will die too. Signatures done by me! Evemail me! Anyone? No? Aww...
VinceNoir Amarr Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.03.07 04:50:00 - [39] I want to hate you, but your sig is so win.
Lister Black Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.03.07 04:55:00 - [40] Edited by: Lister Black on 07/03/2007 04:53:51 Originally by: boogaboob In order for EVE to proceed as it has for years, BoB must be brought down. The balance must be restored. Whatever you say, Obi-Wan. ---------------------------- "Unshrink you?! Well that would require some sort of a REbigulator, which is a concept so ridiculous it makes me want to laugh out loud and chortle..." -Prof.Frink
Darken Two Gallente Hybonashi Industries Kith of Venal	Posted - 2007.03.07 05:00:00 - [41] Originally by: Lister Black Edited by: Lister Black on 07/03/2007 04:53:51 Originally by: boogaboob In order for EVE to proceed as it has for years, BoB must be brought down. The balance must be restored. Whatever you say, Obi-Wan. Hey don't mock him, it was you're corpmate who started this "crying into his cornflakes" style thread. Oh the drama.... Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
VinceNoir Amarr Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.03.07 05:01:00 - [42] Originally by: Darken Two Originally by: Lister Black Edited by: Lister Black on 07/03/2007 04:53:51 Originally by: boogaboob In order for EVE to proceed as it has for years, BoB must be brought down. The balance must be restored. Whatever you say, Obi-Wan. Hey don't mock him, it was you're corpmate who started this "crying into his cornflakes" style thread. Oh the drama.... He's not just a corp mate. He's also my lover.
boogaboob Caldari BIG Advanced Assault Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.07 05:23:00 - [43] Oh yes, and another point, more relevant. If you truly think that Youwhat nad Chorus of Dawn throwing in their lot with BoB could possibly be the beginning of a cascade of alliances declaring for BoB, and not an expected outcome, you need to research those alliances more thuroughly. For starters, Youwhat has a longtime history of animosity with D2. They were always just as likely to ally with BoB as with D2. As for Chorus of Dawn, they are, by their own admission, Youwhat standings slaves. They have strong ties to youwhat and will do basically the some thing YW does. And yeah, the end of my post did sound a bit star wars-y, but you better believe it's fecking true. We're coming for you. The sexual-intercourse-without-consent locomotive has no speed reduction apparatus. Signatures done by me! Evemail me! Anyone? No? Aww...
steamy The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.03.07 05:43:00 - [44] Originally by: boogaboob Oh yes, and another point, more relevant. If you truly think that Youwhat nad Chorus of Dawn throwing in their lot with BoB could possibly be the beginning of a cascade of alliances declaring for BoB, and not an expected outcome, you need to research those alliances more thuroughly. For starters, Youwhat has a longtime history of animosity with D2. They were always just as likely to ally with BoB as with D2. As for Chorus of Dawn, they are, by their own admission, Youwhat standings slaves. They have strong ties to youwhat and will do basically the some thing YW does. Or they are the first to realize that the liberators will be the dictators of the future, rl history has shown that many times and so did Eve history. Maybe they think it would be better to control BoB rather then destroying it. Sometimes it's better to live with a threat, then to go into the unknown and not knowing where you stand yourself in a few months. Personally, im watching the war with eagerness, in the end, this little coalition will tear itself apart due the nature of it's existence, either being before or after they destroyed BoB or BoB destroyed them. The effect on Eve will be the same, chaos for a few months Steamy If you only look at the road ahead, Life isn't worth the trip -- Dante
Jacob Castillo Caldari Copperhead Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.07 05:44:00 - [45] As Tyrrax said, there are no good guys.
Adam Weishaupt Minmatar Illumination Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.07 06:03:00 - [46] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 07/03/2007 02:59:07 Originally by: Shin Gor Right now it is BoB who wished to dominate all of the 0.0 space. RA and D¦ are happy as they are. So i kinda tend to think that BoB are the bad guys right now. Have you at all read any of Mitanni's or Remedial's posts? Goonfleet has a set-out plan for conquering all of EVE. Their allies don't seem to notice. No side is "good" in this war. Band of Brothers had directors caught cheating, and Red Alliance has eight trillion in exploited ISK that CCP refuses to do anything about. LV had a GM, and D2 used IP addresses from a hacked forum to root out spies. Every single major side in this war has skeletons in their closet. Some just more than others. Nobody is good. Nothing is white. Just shades of gray. Yeah, and BOB has rental agreements drawn up for the North - they're both overarching hegemonic aspirants, I think most of the alignment comes down to some people just preferring to work with their friends or the devil they know, and then others being drawn in by economic/geographic gravity. Big deal. Shooty shooty. What's more interesting than the neverending flame fest is the tactics and strategies that both sides are using in what's becoming a war of total annihilation. If the Goons' free trade idea becomes a workable reality then you can bet the silent majority won't really care what they post on the forums, they'll just enjoy the low taxes and ignore most of the world. Both sides have a big picture strategy, and I think that's pretty awesome, especially for the Goons, who were once epitomized by their total lack of strategy. So some people have a problem with xxx person in xxx alliance who did something shady - collective guilt is a lame excuse for shooting someone, even moreso because you shouldn't NEED much of an excuse. BOB asked for the fight, now they have it, now let's see who wins. Also, Vince, you're starting your own threads now? This is a new level of forum whoring for you. I salute you. Lister, you...well, there just aren't words, are there?
Adam Weishaupt Minmatar Illumination Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.07 06:13:00 - [47] Originally by: boogaboob Edited by: boogaboob on 07/03/2007 04:42:33 Seriously, Pyrrhus Sicarri, not only is your name too hard to spell, but you've surpassed Exuko Mortis (also hard to spell, so sorry if I did spell wrong) as BoB's biggest cheerleading squad. Repulsive. Moral high ground? Nahhh, not really in the sense you're trying to get at. But nearly every power in this game, with the exception of BoB (of course) and their many tenants (who fight for the right to pay the rent? 'Cause that's what your doing. WTF?) recognizes BoB in their current form represents too large a threat to the well-being of the game, to the continued diversity of 0.0 space, to be allowed to continue to exist at their current level of power and influence. We know that if we allow you (well actually, your masters) to continue to grow, all that will be left of 0.0 will be a blank expanse of Band of Brothers blue, with dozens and dozens of spineless, rent-paying tenants. Certain other alliances may eventually want to accomlish the same thing, but none but BoB has nearly enough power, enough resolve to do so. D2? Nahh. Even if they did manage it- and they won't- They treat the allies that live in their space much more like allies and less like pets. Before and after BoB, alliances will rise to power. They will rise, and they will fall. BoB is the only constant, and they have grown fat and swollen. Far too powerful. In order for EVE to proceed as it has for years, BoB must be brought down. The balance must be restored. You and your ilk are standing in the way of that restoration. So you will die too. See, Vince, it's hard to convince people who've been displaced by BOB that they're the good guys. Clearly I underestimate the role long-held grudges play in this game. I remember when ASCN was getting steamrollered by BOB, and myself being former Tribal Souls, I quite enjoyed it. So I guess the forums are just a multitude of zealots who've already made up their minds announcing their views loudly, and then a handful of disinterested parties commenting on them from their armchairs. Fun. @ booga: You could be completely, utterly, correct, and that's why this war is fun. Because it's hypothetically for all the marbles. And THAT is why the forums are important - because they lend an increased sense of purpose to all those aimless drifting pod pilots out there, yeah? I mean, this stuff is golden...if this was any other game, people would just *** and moan and say, "Oh, we're going to another server, where this OMG HAXSPLOITS/lameZORS won't happen." No choice here, we're all in this clusterfk together.
Johnny ReeRee The ReeRee Brigade	Posted - 2007.03.07 06:19:00 - [48] Originally by: Adam Weishaupt If the Goons' free trade idea becomes a workable reality then you can bet the silent majority won't really care what they post on the forums, they'll just enjoy the low taxes and ignore most of the world. ROFL! "free trade" The goonie ice hauling slave deal is worse than any deal BoB is offering! And the goonies are worse for Eve than BoB ever has been.
Morpheus Dreadnor	Posted - 2007.03.07 06:34:00 - [49] im starting to get amazed. its odd how people keep flaming the general bob member for the dev ****... if i were bob i would acuse ccp for giving them a bad rep. and claim the bpo to stay in bob. its lame that a dev can have such impact on the game. have anyone thought about that ? sure the bob leedership knew. but the general member might not. its ccp fault not bob. atm there is dev in most bigger aliances. i BET they use odd tactic in all those alliances. its very unlikely they wouldent use ways they know about as dev if they needed it.. just my 2 cent. Auction caracter. Signature image removed - That's just wrong... mkay? - Immy
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.07 06:45:00 - [50] Originally by: Luthien Firefoot Over the past couple of months we have seen the eve publics opinion on certain alliances change BECAUSE THEY WERE CAUGHT CHEATING. Edited your post for you for easier / quicker reading. individuals....they dont make out an hole alliance, seriusly, if you play this game, only to destroy others, because you have deemed all cheaters, you need to step down from the game. >Goto war because of political issues, ingame hatred(keyword ingame), or because you want to meassure yourself with one of the strongest alliances ingame. But againa nd again,claiming awhole allianceare cheaters,because individuals, where caught with their hands in the***ie jar.... Originally by:** Jiekon/CCP If you are sitting with a guy and he says "ok, i'm logging off now" and you shoot him, that is fine.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.07 06:57:00 - [51] Originally by: thoth foc This applies to quite a number of groups.. including allies of yours.. righteous indignation hasnt been cutting it as propaganda for a while now Oh really. I must have missed the dev blogs for RA and D2. :) They've only been for BOB and LV afaik
VinceNoir Amarr Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.03.07 07:05:00 - [52] Adam, you beautiful man. We miss you
NereSky Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.03.07 07:34:00 - [53] Ive played on-line games since they were released and in all that time only one type of person in these games is frowned upon, in soldier of fortune 2 it was the eople using aimbots and other such programmes to make themselves 'Uber' that form of cheating in a game is more dispicable than eves logon/logoff tactices ect. gamers require to be on a even playing field else tbh there is no point, all the allegations ive heard over a long period of time using this type of tactic ive always written off as jealousy of a very good gaming alliance .....until.... one was 'PROVEN' to be true and when CCP were backed into a corner had to admit sadly this to me makes me think back to all the other allegations (which 'apparently' due to lack of evidence has been classed as unproven,) maybe have elements of truth in them, my view of the once great pvp alliance is forever tarnished but i also know i will never know all the truth which leads me frustrated and angry still as i havent had closure, this has been the catalyst for me to fight all out as i do 'win or lose' i will fight for a even playing field for all of Eve. im a great believer in 'innocent until proven guilty' and the alliance i once respected so much has been 'PROVEN' guilty. end of the day both sides have a point of view and each and every persons individual perspectives are true, but this is my truth and my perspective and i will fight and give up my free time in pursueing the removal of the Alliance i no longer respect because the reasons i respected them are forever in doubt. the worst crime in onlining gaming has proven to have happened and i will not stand idley by and let this continue.
Xade Caldari K.T.P	Posted - 2007.03.07 07:35:00 - [54] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: thoth foc This applies to quite a number of groups.. including allies of yours.. righteous indignation hasnt been cutting it as propaganda for a while now Oh really. I must have missed the dev blogs for RA and D2. :) They've only been for BOB and LV afaik Erm is that because RA and D2 are letting others do their dirty work for them. Also for all those that keep saying it LV isn't gone. A large number of them continue to fight Goonswarm and its bandwagoning hoards in detorid. Remember this after the war if BoB/LV are defeated all your doing is replacing one power with another. From what i have seen of goonswarm they are the worst sort of players in eve and as a result i can see them turning on other alliances in the tenerifis area after the war. Goonswarm are growing so rapidly that bully tactics will be common place in their diplomacy. Although its unlikley your going to defeat BoB/LV and allies anyway
McDan Orbital Fleet	Posted - 2007.03.07 07:41:00 - [55] Edited by: McDan on 07/03/2007 07:38:01 The reign of every entity has to end at some point. Some fall easier than others and many do not even need wars in order to do so. LV and BOB could, as individuals and without too much trouble, take on any of the other alliances in eve. D2, RA, Goons and the rest of eve simply have no choice but to band together in order to accomplish this task. Still I doubt they can win this war, they need another major alliance or two in order to control the space they plan to take over.
Saul Reaver UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.07 07:43:00 - [56] Originally by: VinceNoir Over the past couple of months we have seen the eve publics opinion on certain alliances change because of stuff written on these forums, be it from alt trolls or supposed 'news reporters' spreading propaganda for the side that their main supports. We all know these forums are a great propaganda tool (especially CAOD) and that enough news reporting and alt trolling can change peoples opinion on a situation even if all the information they're basing that opinion on is total bull**. So what I want to ask the eve public, or rather the eve forum *s that frequent this section of the forums that we all love is how did these forums become so influential that the general eve publics opinion of an entire alliance/coalition could be flipped. I'm talking about goons/RA/everyone else jumping on the 'Rapetrain'. Not half a year ago this was a coalition that was hated throughout New Eden for exploiting game mechanics (Logoffski/onksi node crashing etc) for forum spamming (Not just eve-o they did it to ISS and I would assume other alliances with some pretty terrible images) and total nubtard behaviour (Making fun of someone dying in RL anyone?). I think we'd all agree that we don't want to see someone like that controlling Eve. Now I don't see this happening at all I don't think BoB/Lv will allow it. Hell, I'm not going to allow it. But you guys need to ask yourselves if you want to sit back and wait it out or if you want to do what some alliances (YouWhat, Chorus of Dawn etc.)are already doing and jumping on the anti ***Train Pain Train and give them some of their own medicine? Now I feel it's time to don my flame retardant jump suit and hit the 'Post New Topic' button. Hmmmmm, Interseting post. I will give you one word that describes the reason why most peeps want BOB to fall. "JEALOUSY"
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.07 07:45:00 - [57] The new boss would be the same as the old boss. Lets just all enjoy the fighting to see who that boss is. Cry havoc and let slip yadda yadda
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.03.07 07:49:00 - [58] Originally by: VinceNoir Now I feel it's time to don my flame retardant jump suit and hit the 'Post New Topic' button. Bob said keep it until things go bad. So keep it ----- History is made by whinners
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.03.07 07:52:00 - [59] Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 07/03/2007 03:41:07 Forget the cheating, its minor in the grand scheme of things. Heres why people don't like BoB: a) They're very good at Eve. b) We're all bitter and jealous, in much the same way as we all hate Man Utd, Chelsea or the LA/NYC Dodgebull Pit Super Vipers or whoever is good in the states at handball. :P c) They harbour large quantities of people with superiority complexes. Whether or not they're good enough to be allowed the luxury of shoving this down everyones throats is besides the bloody point (refer to point b) ). d) They're the only entity that currently poses a threat to 0.0 in its entirity. They're good enough to conquer vast amounts of conquerable space. Result? Stagnation, probably. e) They harbour large quantities of people who enjoy shooting their mouths off. "All alliances do!!" Maybe, but after 3-4 years in here there is a clear winner. f) We all still hate ATUK. :P g) We all feel we have something to prove in this game and destroying BoB is basically end game. i) They're reading posts like this and chuckling to themselves. j) There was a point (j) but its temporarily escaped my inebriated brain. End. edit: And I missed h). Probably a good idea to go to bed then. +1 Point j is about spies and shame techniques. ----- History is made by whinners
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.07 08:18:00 - [60] Originally by: steamy Personally, im watching the war with eagerness, in the end, this little coalition will tear itself apart due the nature of it's existence, either being before or after they destroyed BoB or BoB destroyed them. The effect on Eve will be the same, chaos for a few months Brilliant observation....Isn't this exactly what the Coalition has been saying all along. This is not a permanent alliance, its an agreement born out of opportunity and necessity, and will be dissolved after the war. That is what makes the Coalition much more attractive as a victor in this war than BoB. On the BoB side we have 1 'superpower' and tons of little satellite/pet/slave corps and alliances, on the other side we have a bipolar Coalition (D2 and RAGOON) surrounded by various smaller allies. And most of these smaller entities within the Coalition are considerably more independent than their equivalents on BoB side, as evidenced by their own presence on the map and such. -------------- In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft.

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