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Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.03.07 08:39:00 - [61] I think the entire eve community simultaneously decided that they could not stomach another arrogant post from DBP.
Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.07 08:42:00 - [62] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk There are no good guys. Tyrrax won this thread. Blog at: The Jammy Blog
Alexxi Ljung Amarr Mad Potatoes	Posted - 2007.03.07 08:43:00 - [63] Is rather simple... Until now, all alliances that died in eve, died through internal conflict before any fights, invasion and whatever anyone will try to tell you. NOT ONE alliance was conquered until its internal conflicts tearedit apart. Until recently, there was no land controll and since then, Stain, G and ASCN were dead before any external pressure... this land controll is growing in importance with every devblog we read and i believe it will change the face of eve bringing to life the first true player empires. this being said, BOB is the only major player alliance that dint fall under its own weight. Some are seeing this as a danger to theyr own little piece of space Some as a major danger to all 0,0. and some as a threat to theyr own plans. All the rest are just bull**** reasons... they need to be punished or eliminated we hate them they are this and that... all is just motivation for morons and face saving reasons. And ofcourse there are the true players that say: Who should i fight? if not the best
Shikome Alluin Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.07 08:54:00 - [64] Originally by: Saul Reaver Hmmmmm, Interesting post. I will give you one word that describes the reason why most peeps want BOB/LV to fall. "JEALOUSY" Not really... I rejoined EVE after 2+ years of abcense and the first thing I reacted to while building Iskies in dull empire and trying to form an understanding of what was what in the EvE political scene, was the feeling of Big Brother (1984, not Tv show!!) And thats it... Big Brother. Someone that wants all the power... All the 0.0 space... Selfproclaim that "Iam the greatest" (Only person in the world that could pull that of was mr Ali!!) Someone that wants to control and tax thier "lessers" (sorry LV, but its not BoB/LV... its BoB.) Etc etc yadda yadda Someone like that needs to get a swift kick in the "ammaaagaaad that hurts" place (choose your soft spot) We dont fight BoB becouse BoB is the flavor to attack, we fight becouse that flavor is rancid!
Heikki Gallente Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2007.03.07 09:13:00 - [65] Originally by: Merces Mercedis ONE Dev made a mistake and helped HIMSELF Actions of one wrongdoer is not a good reason to hate whole entity. Yet you can judge the whole entity by their reaction to the incident. Say every country has criminals; it's no good to hate whole country over soldier raping a family and stealing their jewels. But you sure may feel justified anger if the said country doesn't punish the soldier and return the jewels. So, for judging BOB over this issue: - Was those involved ceos/directors kicked off alliance (for knowing of busted dev yet keeping his assets for months)? - Did BOB make any attempts to return unfairly gained advantages? CCP said they weren't interested on any dealing punishment on this issue (focusing more on preventing future incidents). If people feel BOB did wrong when eagerly embracing the bad guy, it's up to players to try deliver the judgement. -Lasse with rather biased analogies
Ben Derindar KelBen Productions	Posted - 2007.03.07 09:27:00 - [66] Originally by: Heikki Originally by: Merces Mercedis ONE Dev made a mistake and helped HIMSELF Actions of one wrongdoer is not a good reason to hate whole entity. Sadly, the mob disagrees. /Ben How to fix Eve
Pesadel0 Vagabundos THE H0RDE	Posted - 2007.03.07 09:37:00 - [67] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 07/03/2007 03:22:15 Originally by: Limlox So, how do people come to the conclusion that BoB are the victims in all of this? I suggest the following: Do a bit of research, look into BoB's history then see if you still feel the same. I'm guessing its because when other alliances did cheating of larger scales, nobody attacked them for it. Do you think it was fine for Red Alliance to cheat themselves the ISK equivalent of 100 titans? If you don't think it was fine, why isn't it a big deal? And if it isn't, can I have a few trillion? I mean, give or take a few hundred billion The same can e said about the BoB farming 6/10 complexes in delve ,dont you think? I was sworn to absolute secrecy BY CCP.
Tequilapepper Amarr Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.07 10:07:00 - [68] I will try to express my opinon in here without creating flames. This is my position from the perspective of someone who did lead the defence of an alliance for almost 5 month, before my RL storming into my past habits. Now I am just a grunt for RL needs, had not the needed time to be leading. This is not dependant from the alliance itslef, but from knowing what I am talking about. Every alliance used lame tactics, questionable tactics or tactics at the edge of the rules. Some alliances does not like to use those tactics and condamn those officially, the truth is that you can't control all your pilots and that someone will be guilty in your alliance for sure. I am sure ALL the big powerblocks have pilots who have contacts with devs, there is plenty of evidence everywere and not only BoB sided. Simply the BoB one was discovered and CCP did deal with that. I still believe that most of them do what their are payed for at their best, and there will be always someone who will abuse their power, not necessarly BoB side. But CCP will always deal with them soon as they will find out, as is their main interst to maintain the "Status quo". So whomever decides that for his fun is the best thing to fight BoB because is the strongest entity ingame ATM, go ahead. Just save us from claiming yourselves as paladin of truth. You saw your cheap propaganda does not pay back. And don't tell me that the goons, and their overnumbering tactics is fun or is correct, most times the coalition that was defending was able to field as many pilots as they did, but server had no chances to hold. Asserting that they are not exploiting this, is a kind of nonsense. Because this will always endup using a not game-alike tactic to win. If you field enough number of pilots to face them, the node crashes and they save their POS, if you don't you get a memorable beating. At the end the attacker with over numbering tactics wins. If this is the good, between good and bad, a man have to choose the lesser damage. So we all want to fight we all want to have fun, just save us the "we will free you" propaganda. Regards Tequilapepper FIX Grunt
Adril Alatar Minmatar Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.03.07 10:20:00 - [69] Originally by: Pesadel0 Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 07/03/2007 03:22:15 Originally by: Limlox So, how do people come to the conclusion that BoB are the victims in all of this? I suggest the following: Do a bit of research, look into BoB's history then see if you still feel the same. I'm guessing its because when other alliances did cheating of larger scales, nobody attacked them for it. Do you think it was fine for Red Alliance to cheat themselves the ISK equivalent of 100 titans? If you don't think it was fine, why isn't it a big deal? And if it isn't, can I have a few trillion? I mean, give or take a few hundred billion The same can e said about the BoB farming 6/10 complexes in delve ,dont you think? NO! 6/10 blood raider complexes were not bugged like the 6/10 angel plexes ;-)
Frygok Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.07 10:48:00 - [70] Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 07/03/2007 03:41:07 b) we all hate Man Utd How can a man with the name Welsh Wizard not cheer for Giggs, and therefore Man Utd? Heathen! On the whole good vs. bad thing, as one stated before, there is no such thing as good or bad. However, I think a part of this Coalition is probably to see just how many friends/pets/slaves/renters/whatever BoB actually has. Sure, speculations have been done and some qualified guesses have been made, but(correct me if I am wrong) this seems to be the first time that BOB has called in everybody who is on their side, politically. So now we know the true size of the BOB-block, and personally I feel it's quite big for an alliance who have proclaimed themselves to be the best. In any case, the fact that they have so many allies suggests that their proclamation of total EVE domination was in fact real, and thus the Coalition had to act. Add to that the "incident" thta happened recently, and human nature responding to that, well there you have it! All out war. And in the end, isn't that what everybody wants? NOTE: This mindless crap is my personal views, grunt soldier etc etc.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.07 11:12:00 - [71] Originally by: NATMav Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 07/03/2007 03:22:15 Originally by: Limlox So, how do people come to the conclusion that BoB are the victims in all of this? I suggest the following: Do a bit of research, look into BoB's history then see if you still feel the same. I'm guessing its because when other alliances did cheating of larger scales, nobody attacked them for it. Do you think it was fine for Red Alliance to cheat themselves the ISK equivalent of 100 titans? If you don't think it was fine, why isn't it a big deal? And if it isn't, can I have a few trillion? I mean, give or take a few hundred billion Can you prove that no other plexes were exploited by other alliances? Probably not. But honestly, I don't think that excuses either Red Alliance cheating their way to ISK-fueled invincibility or CCP doing nothing about it. At least when the revelations of the so-called "BoD" came out people did something; when people found that Red Alliance was a cheating alliance nobody did anything about it and they all pretended it never happeened. --23 Member-- EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Alice Cholmondeley Christine.	Posted - 2007.03.07 12:25:00 - [72] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I think the entire eve community simultaneously decided that they could not stomach another arrogant post from DBP. Would be better if the community started to condemn hackers. But hey, real life crimes have no place in eve, so it never happened right? so why not take advantage of it... right, Shamis?
Topaz Skydiver Minmatar Narrative Freshfood	Posted - 2007.03.07 12:34:00 - [73] Edited by: Topaz Skydiver on 07/03/2007 12:30:47 Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Point j is about spies and shame techniques. Have fun with goonfleet then. They have done it all: TS spying, forum spying and pasting it to EVE-O for propaganda, infliltrating corps to steal assets and trying to offline towers. And they are proud of it.
R'adeh Gallente Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.03.07 12:45:00 - [74] The difference is that RA don't make stupid posts like "OMGOMGOMG, we killed an AFK titan, whoooopwhooop...we are a gazilliontrillionbillion times better than you!!!1!!eleve!!" like BoB does (did). Last time I checked AAA was still shooting me, so I consider them "evil" too...just in a better way than I consider BoB evil _______________________________________________ My views are my own and I don't represent my corp.
Dawn Princess eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.07 12:57:00 - [75] Originally by: Firane Can't wait to get back to the good ole days of Alliance vs. Alliance, rather than 15 Alliances vs. Alliance. Will I get my wish? Not likely - at least until there are incentives in place by CCP to facilitate a return to that style of warfare. And until then, here's to the blob. In part this is because of l33t corps forming like those in bob, MC, outbreak and others. 0utbreak alone can easily field a group of 20+ T2 fitted sniper BS, plus tacklers and capitals if required. With that you can easily beat pretty much any average alliance out there in a fleet battle and so they have no option but to blob up to overcome you. If everyone were playing on a level playing field then 1 vs 1 would be fine, but as there are such huge gulfs in isk, experience and SP its just not possible.
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.07 13:24:00 - [76] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk There are no good guys. This post says it all and it became apparent to me when I used to lead The Huzzah Federation, there is no black and white.
Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.07 13:35:00 - [77] Originally by: Hans Roaming Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk There are no good guys. This post says it all and it became apparent to me when I used to lead The Huzzah Federation, there is no black and white. Are you my alt? Blog at: The Jammy Blog
Sho Usyagash Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.07 13:41:00 - [78] Originally by: Grimster Originally by: Hans Roaming Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk There are no good guys. This post says it all and it became apparent to me when I used to lead The Huzzah Federation, there is no black and white. Are you my alt? I thought I was. When I've had a few drinks I like to show off my Fandango.
Aphotic Raven Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.07 13:44:00 - [79] Edited by: Aphotic Raven on 07/03/2007 13:45:56 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: NATMav Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 07/03/2007 03:22:15 Originally by: Limlox So, how do people come to the conclusion that BoB are the victims in all of this? I suggest the following: Do a bit of research, look into BoB's history then see if you still feel the same. I'm guessing its because when other alliances did cheating of larger scales, nobody attacked them for it. Do you think it was fine for Red Alliance to cheat themselves the ISK equivalent of 100 titans? If you don't think it was fine, why isn't it a big deal? And if it isn't, can I have a few trillion? I mean, give or take a few hundred billion Can you prove that no other plexes were exploited by other alliances? Probably not. But honestly, I don't think that excuses either Red Alliance cheating their way to ISK-fueled invincibility or CCP doing nothing about it. At least when the revelations of the so-called "BoD" came out people did something; when people found that Red Alliance was a cheating alliance nobody did anything about it and they all pretended it never happeened. oh... oh... wait CCP did something when CCP T20's cheating was discovered? well. thats news to me Dark. All i remember is kierons constant "there are no infidels in iraq" style speech denying the whole thing... they banned kugustmen for being a hacking ass (fair enough that they didnt want him in the game.. but a diplomatic nightmare) but then kept ignoring the proof... you have to have absolute undeniable 100% proof to get them to just look into something.. and then KNOWING that the cheating HAD taken place MONTHS earlier they still denied and avoided it.. and now what have they done? nothing. nothing at all. there has been no form of justice. 2 things have caused this war... the leaders of the Coalition want bob gone, have for a long time, and the grunts are A) following orders B)enjoying it and C) are really **ed about the devs lying/inaction. So thankyou to t20 for causing what I sincerely hope will be the death of BoB as a major power for a long time to come. Theres plenty more down the rabbit hole but its hard to prove it... so RA's plex wasnt in delve.. oh no... guess ccp misplaced one. Originally by:** Dr Cupid Let me tell you all that I'm really enjoying eve-beta, and can't wait for the real game to come out!
Cole Steel	Posted - 2007.03.07 13:56:00 - [80] Edited by: Cole Steel on 07/03/2007 14:02:18 Edited by: Cole Steel on 07/03/2007 14:01:59 Originally by: steamy Originally by: boogaboob Oh yes, and another point, more relevant. If you truly think that Youwhat nad Chorus of Dawn throwing in their lot with BoB could possibly be the beginning of a cascade of alliances declaring for BoB, and not an expected outcome, you need to research those alliances more thuroughly. For starters, Youwhat has a longtime history of animosity with D2. They were always just as likely to ally with BoB as with D2. As for Chorus of Dawn, they are, by their own admission, Youwhat standings slaves. They have strong ties to youwhat and will do basically the some thing YW does. Thank you for bringing this up. I'm not flamming when I say this nor is it a rhetorical question but.... When, in the forum's eyes or EvE as a whole, is it ok to fight for your home with allies and not be called a sheep/muppet/pet/slave? Not that I care, but I am curious to see what would be justified in your thinking. As a grunt in CoD I fight for the corp and the corp says we fight for allaince and allaince says friends put out the call so GF and smack free local in advance. Cheers
Miranoff Caldari Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.07 14:23:00 - [81] I love how when RA/GOONS (or most other alliances for that matter) use game mechanics in thier favor its called exploiting but when BoB do it its called good gameplay..... sure you can say BOB dont logoffski, but in the grand scheme of things, that is a very minor peice of the "exploiting" pie that's been built up overtime. and to the poster that said they cant wait for the coalition to rip itself apart, or something to that affect, I like how Mal worded it.. Originally by: Malachon Draco Brilliant observation....Isn't this exactly what the Coalition has been saying all along. This is not a permanent alliance, its an agreement born out of opportunity and necessity, and will be dissolved after the war. That is what makes the Coalition much more attractive as a victor in this war than BoB. On the BoB side we have 1 'superpower' and tons of little satellite/pet/slave corps and alliances, on the other side we have a bipolar Coalition (D2 and RAGOON) surrounded by various smaller allies. And most of these smaller entities within the Coalition are considerably more independent than their equivalents on BoB side, as evidenced by their own presence on the map and such. on another note, there are a TON of reasons why people want to hit BoB, everyone has thier own individual reason, but they have all come together to get the job done. /tinfoil on this is kind of a loaded thread from the OP eh? get the eve community to re-think why its hitting BoB, if it wasnt a non-BoB character posting id almost swear it was a propaganda peice itself BUT its not a BoB Char or a BoB alt so no one should even fathom that thought! just get it out of yer heads now! /tinfoil off btw: these are my views only, not of my corp or alliance.. so dont blame them :) -----------------------------------------------
Darken Two Gallente Hybonashi Industries Kith of Venal	Posted - 2007.03.07 14:58:00 - [82] Originally by: Miranoff I love how when RA/GOONS (or most other alliances for that matter) use game mechanics in thier favor its called exploiting but when BoB do it its called good gameplay..... sure you can say BOB dont logoffski, but in the grand scheme of things, that is a very minor peice of the "exploiting" pie that's been built up overtime. and to the poster that said they cant wait for the coalition to rip itself apart, or something to that affect, I like how Mal worded it.. Originally by: Malachon Draco Brilliant observation....Isn't this exactly what the Coalition has been saying all along. This is not a permanent alliance, its an agreement born out of opportunity and necessity, and will be dissolved after the war. That is what makes the Coalition much more attractive as a victor in this war than BoB. On the BoB side we have 1 'superpower' and tons of little satellite/pet/slave corps and alliances, on the other side we have a bipolar Coalition (D2 and RAGOON) surrounded by various smaller allies. And most of these smaller entities within the Coalition are considerably more independent than their equivalents on BoB side, as evidenced by their own presence on the map and such. on another note, there are a TON of reasons why people want to hit BoB, everyone has thier own individual reason, but they have all come together to get the job done. /tinfoil on this is kind of a loaded thread from the OP eh? get the eve community to re-think why its hitting BoB, if it wasnt a non-BoB character posting id almost swear it was a propaganda peice itself BUT its not a BoB Char or a BoB alt so no one should even fathom that thought! just get it out of yer heads now! /tinfoil off btw: these are my views only, not of my corp or alliance.. so dont blame them :) This thread is def a propoganda piece. All the emo-drama being displayed by the op and generally his entire corp seems to indicate that they are quite likely alts of BoB or have been paid off in some way. Noone with any sense would post drivel liek this for any other reason. Good Vs Bad my arse Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Sky lv Chicas Locas Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.07 15:01:00 - [83] Edited by: Sky lv on 07/03/2007 14:58:44 Gonna Need a whole heap of cheese to go with this whine. I dont really understand this post, truely I dont. I thought all this action is exactly what bob wanted? Did not the bob pet corps/alliances (tho i'm not sure if this op is in a pet corp) know they would be caught in the cross fire? With statements like "we want to controll all of .0" multiple titans/motherships (basically unkilled pawn machines who can only be killed when someone is loggedoff) and the fact that they were caught getting dev help (which btw we would have NEVER known if not for one person blowing the whistle, and only a idot would believe this is all the help they got) sure all of eve should sit back while they take out each alliance one by one, yea thats the ticket.
prathe Minmatar Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.07 15:03:00 - [84] this war contains no good guys or bad guys it's just guys playing eve
Joram McRory Caldari Darwin With Attitude	Posted - 2007.03.07 15:19:00 - [85] Eve is all about war and conquest. In the past many factions have used RP reasons to engage in these (e.g. NBSI vs. ASCN). BoB have agressed most large power blocks in the game and that really is sufficient RP justification for the curent coalition against them. I know the catalyst was the CCP Dev involvement, but I would be very surprised to find that this was solely a BoB issue. If a single entity controls all of 0.0 the game is over really, so this is a justified conflict "for the good of the game" Hopefully DWA will be getting involved sooner rather than later.... and yes... I need a new Sig :-P Joram (CEO) My Photography site
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.07 15:25:00 - [86] Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 07/03/2007 15:23:47 Good? Bad? Black? White? To me, they're all shades of grey. The only true light is the light of Tachyon Beams burning through the sky. - - One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them. One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them.
prsr Gallente JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.07 15:39:00 - [87] Originally by: Limlox OK, yes one dev admitted to cheating... funny how the members of BoB aren't big enough to admit their part too. Thats not funny, thats you grasping for straws. Bob members are not cheating any more or less then any other alliance in this game. Certainly not more then RA or the Goons. Originally by: Limlox I suggest the following: Do a bit of research, look into BoB's history then see if you still feel the same. Well, seeing that I was playing this game before Bob was formed and I've fought them on more then one occasion I think I'd know something about Bob history. My "research" tells me people are just ganging up on the group that killed them and took their space ages ago. -- .sig apathy ftw
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.03.07 15:42:00 - [88] Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 07/03/2007 15:38:50 Originally by: prsr Originally by: Limlox OK, yes one dev admitted to cheating... funny how the members of BoB aren't big enough to admit their part too. Thats not funny, thats you grasping for straws. Bob members are not cheating any more or less then any other alliance in this game. Certainly not more then RA or the Goons. Most of what bob does isn't strictly cheating. Its just having access to more info than anybody else. From loose lipped GM's, to devs who explain game mechanics, to ccp personel that let them exclusively test a patch with max skills. You can't really blame them for taking advantage of the situation, but you can hate them for it, and you can blame ccp.
prsr Gallente JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.07 15:50:00 - [89] Edited by: prsr on 07/03/2007 15:50:25 Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Most of what bob does isn't strictly cheating. Its just having access to more info than anybody else. From loose lipped GM's, to devs who explain game mechanics, to ccp personel that let them exclusively test a patch with max skills. You can't really blame them for taking advantage of the situation, but you can hate them for it, and you can blame ccp. Anyone that spends time on the test server and on IRC can get themselves into such a position. It's not like devs will check your alliance tag before they decide you might be helpful for testing something. I've helped out on the testserver before. In large groups but also directly with BH staff, should CCP not do that? Should I tell the bughunter to do it himself? Spend time improving the game and you'll be more versed in the mechanics of the game. It's really not hard to see and it's not something others can't do. -- .sig apathy ftw
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.03.07 15:54:00 - [90] Originally by: prsr Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Most of what bob does isn't strictly cheating. Its just having access to more info than anybody else. From loose lipped GM's, to devs who explain game mechanics, to ccp personel that let them exclusively test a patch with max skills. You can't really blame them for taking advantage of the situation, but you can hate them for it, and you can blame ccp. Anyone that spends time on the test server and on IRC can get themselves into such a position. It's not like devs will check your alliance tag before they decide you might be helpful for testing something. False.

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