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VinceNoir Amarr Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.03.07 00:46:00 - [1] Over the past couple of months we have seen the eve publics opinion on certain alliances change because of stuff written on these forums, be it from alt trolls or supposed 'news reporters' spreading propaganda for the side that their main supports. We all know these forums are a great propaganda tool (especially CAOD) and that enough news reporting and alt trolling can change peoples opinion on a situation even if all the information they're basing that opinion on is total bull**. So what I want to ask the eve public, or rather the eve forum *s that frequent this section of the forums that we all love is how did these forums become so influential that the general eve publics opinion of an entire alliance/coalition could be flipped. I'm talking about goons/RA/everyone else jumping on the 'Rapetrain'. Not half a year ago this was a coalition that was hated throughout New Eden for exploiting game mechanics (Logoffski/onksi node crashing etc) for forum spamming (Not just eve-o they did it to ISS and I would assume other alliances with some pretty terrible images) and total nubtard behaviour (Making fun of someone dying in RL anyone?). I think we'd all agree that we don't want to see someone like that controlling Eve. Now I don't see this happening at all I don't think BoB/Lv will allow it. Hell, I'm not going to allow it. But you guys need to ask yourselves if you want to sit back and wait it out or if you want to do what some alliances (YouWhat, Chorus of Dawn etc.)are already doing and jumping on the anti ***Train Pain Train and give them some of their own medicine? Now I feel it's time to don my flame retardant jump suit and hit the 'Post New Topic' button.
Bon Ali Bon's Ecological Recycling	Posted - 2007.03.07 00:48:00 - [2] wow, that sure is a post alright! congrats! i highly doubt anyone on the rapetrain wants to be 'the good guys'
sakana Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.07 00:49:00 - [3] sadly, so many alliances these days are reporting using dodgy tactics these days, although i cannot confirm or deny this...people want to remove BoB for a different reason I believe. ------------
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.07 00:52:00 - [4] These are the EVE ONLINE Fora, the only place where every single subscribed player can read and post (bans not withstanding) about in game events. If theres a huge forum outcry about something, its not the forum "influencing" players- the forum IS the players. That outcry WAS the players opinion. So take the anti-BoB sentiment thats so popular at the moment. Its not that a few forum *****s posted "BoB are evil!" and then all the players were swayed to this opinion by reading it. Its that people decided "BoB are evil!" and then posted about it Or rather, SOME people did. Its not like there aren't enough people holding the other view point aswell. As is life. --------
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.07 00:52:00 - [5] Edited by: welsh wizard on 07/03/2007 00:52:09 Destroy BoB because they're the (self proclaimed) strongest. Simple.
Luthien Firefoot Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.07 00:54:00 - [6] Over the past couple of months we have seen the eve publics opinion on certain alliances change BECAUSE THEY WERE CAUGHT CHEATING. Edited your post for you for easier / quicker reading.
Lister Black Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.03.07 00:54:00 - [7] Originally by: Patch86 These are the EVE ONLINE Fora, the only place where every single subscribed player can read and post (bans not withstanding) about in game events. If theres a huge forum outcry about something, its not the forum "influencing" players- the forum IS the players. That outcry WAS the players opinion. So take the anti-BoB sentiment thats so popular at the moment. Its not that a few forum *****s posted "BoB are evil!" and then all the players were swayed to this opinion by reading it. Its that people decided "BoB are evil!" and then posted about it Or rather, SOME people did. Its not like there aren't enough people holding the other view point aswell. As is life. I disagree. Probably less than 10% (hell, probably less than 5%) post in these forums. I highly doubt that the people that post here represent the majority of EvE players. They're simply the most vocal (which should tell you something about how much the general EvE populace cares about these matters). ---------------------------- "Unshrink you?! Well that would require some sort of a REbigulator, which is a concept so ridiculous it makes me want to laugh out loud and chortle..." -Prof.Frink
Elianora Absolute Guardians	Posted - 2007.03.07 00:56:00 - [8] Edited by: Elianora on 07/03/2007 00:53:12 1st - lame tactics? Each and every alliance used it. May it be logoffski or whatever. And sorry - not alliance but the members. Cuz every alliance states they are good and dont do anything. 2nd - You really thing its coinsidence that Youwhatever and Chorous declare on same day the fall of LV defenses is announced? Looks more like one of Molle's cards to rise morale after the southern front collaps. 3d - ahh doesnt reallt matter
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.07 01:02:00 - [9] Edited by: Patch86 on 07/03/2007 01:00:40 Originally by: Lister Black Edited by: Lister Black on 07/03/2007 00:55:26 Originally by: Patch86 These are the EVE ONLINE Fora, the only place where every single subscribed player can read and post (bans not withstanding) about in game events. If theres a huge forum outcry about something, its not the forum "influencing" players- the forum IS the players. That outcry WAS the players opinion. So take the anti-BoB sentiment thats so popular at the moment. Its not that a few forum *****s posted "BoB are evil!" and then all the players were swayed to this opinion by reading it. Its that people decided "BoB are evil!" and then posted about it Or rather, SOME people did. Its not like there aren't enough people holding the other view point aswell. As is life. I disagree. Probably less than 10% (hell, probably less than 5%) of EvE players post in these forums. I highly doubt that the people that post here represent the majority of EvE players. They're simply the most vocal (which should tell you something about how much the general EvE populace cares about these matters). True, but I do believe they represent a cross section of general opinion. I find it hard to believe that the 10% (or whatever) who read the forums are all of the same minority opinion, while the other 90% hold a contrary view. EDIT: And anyway, if only 10% of the players ever touch EVE-O with a barge pole, I don't see how it can be influential --------
Empyre ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.07 01:02:00 - [10] i would like to think that people read a while here before forming a decision.. it's just plain logical. otherwise you end up contradicting yourself and giving anyone with the ability to click your portrait or use the forum search a nice evidence trail of things to call you out on. wishful thinking? probably.. i still have faith in humanity, however. that being said, i think these forums are a LOT less influential than you think. try talking about any given topic in these forums in a select group of local channels. i'd be willing to bet more often than not people ask you for a link because they don't read them. all those views come from trolls repeatedly opening the thread to see if someone responded to them. don't be deceived! People argue when their personal views are at odds, whereas a debate is a more formal method of analyzing the angles of an issue
JackOfHearts Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.07 01:05:00 - [11] Originally by: Luthien Firefoot Over the past couple of months we have seen the eve publics opinion on certain alliances change BECAUSE THEY WERE CAUGHT CHEATING. Edited your post for you for easier / quicker reading. OMG! IRON CHEATS???
Boci The Legion. Requiem-Aeternam	Posted - 2007.03.07 01:17:00 - [12] Originally by: Luthien Firefoot Over the past couple of months we have seen the eve publics opinion on certain alliances change BECAUSE THEY WERE CAUGHT CHEATING. Edited your post for you for easier / quicker reading. You mean one dev admitted to cheating, and then everyone decided to make the mistake that is generalizing and assumed that the entire 1000 or whatever person group was also cheating, and therefore didnt deserve to exist dont you? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
JediLover Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.07 01:18:00 - [13] Since the start of game and times when it was easy to get decent fights against good pilots to the times of the isk. After serving SA for 3 years until it still remaining corps converged to rampage eternal. I have fought with and against most major alliance in past and present. Of those the ones I have appreciated amongst the most have been G now represented by D2 mostly german players and RA still RA mostly represented by russian players. Both where amazingly tough nuts to try and break when we SA where ruling race with thousands of bored PvPers. It might be due to unison through same cultural background, but still specially against the odds they have been much more valiant, engenious and better in fair PvP than most alliances in history of eve, including SA and CA imo. Then again we have BoB which has about 500 decent veteran pvpers who have got enough of eve and just have to have fun when they play eve, like me. But as they also have few teenage leaders like good old DB Preacher -> the arrogancy in general is amazing. Even I quess Siddy and DB Preacher are both already 18 now a days and might soon come in to sense ;) So in mids of partly well led organisation based on fact good vet pvpers are lazy some eager teenagers have made BoB look poor in judgement like a bee put it. "We rule!!! woo hoo" But well still several hundred extraordinary pvpers, old friends and foes in BoB like Wolfman, TWD, Zeal and Farjung. But never in the eyes of veteran PvPer has BoB seem good honest alliance, never it had looked like place I would like to belong to and rather would I see "retirement house of bored pvpers led by enough teenagers and few good souls" fade away. So after looking BoB grow from seed from many ancient great alliances bored PvPers and become something like few rich pimps playing with some good players and thinking they cool I must argue, BoB as instititution is based on lazy elite pvpers and few idiots beside something better, compared to proud certain nation based tight alliances like D2 and RA who have overcome the odds many times. And If I honor the most people who sometimes let the ones who dressed up the longest take the field, for honoring the ancient code and as organisations those with ideals with humor, results still remembering its a game, I have always considered BoB beeing far from this ideal, but instead alliances like RA and D2 be not ideal but honest good alliances. So with years of hostility with G(D2), RA, BOB I would but them in order RA>D2>BOB based on history, present and the intuition build in 3.5years I have loved playing this game. So die bobbits, die and Nick and other once less lazy****gots come back home ;)
thoth foc Elcyion Lacar	Posted - 2007.03.07 01:20:00 - [14] Originally by: Luthien Firefoot Over the past couple of months we have seen the eve publics opinion on certain alliances change BECAUSE THEY WERE CAUGHT CHEATING. Edited your post for you for easier / quicker reading. This applies to quite a number of groups.. including allies of yours.. righteous indignation hasnt been cutting it as propaganda for a while now _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) xDICE (BOB)
Luthien Firefoot Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.07 01:25:00 - [15] Originally by: Boci Originally by: Luthien Firefoot Over the past couple of months we have seen the eve publics opinion on certain alliances change BECAUSE THEY WERE CAUGHT CHEATING. Edited your post for you for easier / quicker reading. You mean one dev admitted to cheating, and then everyone decided to make the mistake that is generalizing and assumed that the entire 1000 or whatever person group was also cheating, and therefore didnt deserve to exist dont you? No I didn't tbh. It just made a lot of ppl wonder why and how these 1000 players could rule 100,000 and ponder the fact that if you had the key to a bank and worked there for a long time and you were caught stealing. a) the bank would want to limit the damage to their reputation by willingly accepting losses were light, accountants can be very creative. b) you probably would steal more than five pounds / dollars.
Taz Devlin Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.07 01:37:00 - [16] Originally by: JediLover Since the start of game and times when it was easy to get decent fights against good pilots to the times of the isk. After serving SA for 3 years until it still remaining corps converged to rampage eternal. I have fought with and against most major alliance in past and present. Of those the ones I have appreciated amongst the most have been G now represented by D2 mostly german players and RA still RA mostly represented by russian players. Both where amazingly tough nuts to try and break when we SA where ruling race with thousands of bored PvPers. It might be due to unison through same cultural background, but still specially against the odds they have been much more valiant, engenious and better in fair PvP than most alliances in history of eve, including SA and CA imo. Then again we have BoB which has about 500 decent veteran pvpers who have got enough of eve and just have to have fun when they play eve, like me. But as they also have few teenage leaders like good old DB Preacher -> the arrogancy in general is amazing. Even I quess Siddy and DB Preacher are both already 18 now a days and might soon come in to sense ;) So in mids of partly well led organisation based on fact good vet pvpers are lazy some eager teenagers have made BoB look poor in judgement like a bee put it. "We rule!!! woo hoo" But well still several hundred extraordinary pvpers, old friends and foes in BoB like Wolfman, TWD, Zeal and Farjung. But never in the eyes of veteran PvPer has BoB seem good honest alliance, never it had looked like place I would like to belong to and rather would I see "retirement house of bored pvpers led by enough teenagers and few good souls" fade away. So after looking BoB grow from seed from many ancient great alliances bored PvPers and become something like few rich pimps playing with some good players and thinking they cool I must argue, BoB as instititution is based on lazy elite pvpers and few idiots beside something better, compared to proud certain nation based tight alliances like D2 and RA who have overcome the odds many times. And If I honor the most people who sometimes let the ones who dressed up the longest take the field, for honoring the ancient code and as organisations those with ideals with humor, results still remembering its a game, I have always considered BoB beeing far from this ideal, but instead alliances like RA and D2 be not ideal but honest good alliances. So with years of hostility with G(D2), RA, BOB I would but them in order RA>D2>BOB based on history, present and the intuition build in 3.5years I have loved playing this game. So die bobbits, die and Nick and other once less lazy****gots come back home ;) Word
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.07 01:38:00 - [17] There are no good guys. http://eve.klaki.net/
Koronos Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.07 02:14:00 - [18] Edited by: Koronos on 07/03/2007 02:11:20 Probably not really much to add that Jedilover and Tyrrax Thorrk haven't said already, but I'll say this. Outside of reasons such as: * Personal resentment of their arrogance and selfishness in diplomacy * Resentment of their arrogant, contemptuous attitudes put forward on these forums * Resentment of their holier than though attitude, repeatedly stated as "we're just better than you" being turned over by revelations of abuse of the game I would say that much better reason to kill them is their publicly stated intention to control all space, and the fact that after winning the PVP tournaments, defeating the largest and richest alliance in game, taking its stations for income without having to defend them, having multiple titans and having killed one, they were in a position to potentially make this intention reality if they were not opposed by a large coalition of many of the remaining forces in Eve. Koronos P.S. btw, none of the other alliances in the coalition will be in the same sort of position to control all space after this war (if it ever ends), as they will likely all start shooting each other. So, you don't need to save BoB to prevent whoever it is exactly that you are worried about controlling Eve.
Elienia	Posted - 2007.03.07 02:17:00 - [19] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk There are no good guys. ya... they are all bad guys... they have to die... anyway D2 *****them atm! and soon RA will come with all the ubber TCFs peons and they will kill all them!! yearhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh go D2 go go go, you will win i can see that!!!
Johnny ReeRee The ReeRee Brigade	Posted - 2007.03.07 02:22:00 - [20] Originally by: Luthien Firefoot Over the past couple of months we have seen the eve publics opinion on certain alliances change BECAUSE THEY WERE CAUGHT CHEATING. Edited your post for you for easier / quicker reading. zomg CHEATING zomg
dastommy79 Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.07 02:25:00 - [21] I dont think eve-o has much influence on the eve population. 99% of this stuff is crap. ( i know cause i post crap all the time) Its more of a place to *** at one another for the eve community to see. As for the reason why i am shooting bob, thats because they are the best, razz my space and said they will take over all of eve 00 space. I dont want to pay a player "rent" to play a game, thats why i fight. The Dev thing just **ed me off, not the deciding factor for me to fight http://www.scoutca.com/fekesig2.jpg
Karrimdra FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.07 02:29:00 - [22] Sometimes I wish people would write their posts and just delete them, rather than post them. This is not directed at the OP, but others within the thread. From nothing to something in just one corp!
USN CVN72 Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.07 02:29:00 - [23] only reason to kill anyone mentioned in this war is because Eve has come to a point were if no great war is active the game just flat out sucks... this WAR allows people to recycle thier wealth and forces people to rebuild. Without a War the game is so boring that its almost not worth logging on with all the known bugs and stuffs hehe...
hybridundertaker Amarr Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.03.07 02:30:00 - [24] Edited by: hybridundertaker on 07/03/2007 02:28:45 BOB has **ed off many ppl, in their own times their forum arrogance was just like WTF!!!11!!, but now they are so quiet i allmost feel the need to defend them. Common folks, they arent that bad after all and they arent as bad for the game as ppl say. Frankly hate for bob is one of the motors of this game for months now... edited damn filter ; to = to urinate EvE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER**
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.03.07 02:37:00 - [25] It might be a little hard for some to understand, but many in my corp had a rivalry with Goons long before any of us came to EvE, a rivalry that pre-dates EvE in fact. See, just as Goons were formed up from the SA forums, we were formed up from the Tribalwar forums, and we have a long history of forum invasions and transgressions against each other. When they burst on the scene, we fought them in Tribute, we fought them in Cloud Ring, Fade, and Deklien, and we even cheered on BoB at the time as they were kicked back into empire. Goons were seen as lewd, crude, and seemed to have no respect for the game or community. The Goons went relatively unnoticed for months. In the meantime, BoB shows themselves to exhibit many of the same qualities we were lead to see in the Goons, only on a massive scale. BoB are lewd, crude, and have no respect for the game or community, and are corrupt from the very top of their alliance. So yes, we support the Goons, because we hate BoB that much, and are willing to lay down all that history to get the job done.
Shin Gor Absolute Guardians	Posted - 2007.03.07 02:55:00 - [26] Right now it is BoB who wished to dominate all of the 0.0 space. RA and D¦ are happy as they are. So i kinda tend to think that BoB are the bad guys right now. There is only one alliance that could try to dominate the world after BoB are gone, but they would probably just as well be the next target. ----------- Where there is a will, there is a weapon.
Firane 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.07 02:57:00 - [27] Can't wait to get back to the good ole days of Alliance vs. Alliance, rather than 15 Alliances vs. Alliance. Will I get my wish? Not likely - at least until there are incentives in place by CCP to facilitate a return to that style of warfare. And until then, here's to the blob. -----
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.07 02:58:00 - [28] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 07/03/2007 02:59:07 Originally by: Shin Gor Right now it is BoB who wished to dominate all of the 0.0 space. RA and D¦ are happy as they are. So i kinda tend to think that BoB are the bad guys right now. Have you at all read any of Mitanni's or Remedial's posts? Goonfleet has a set-out plan for conquering all of EVE. Their allies don't seem to notice. No side is "good" in this war. Band of Brothers had directors caught cheating, and Red Alliance has eight trillion in exploited ISK that CCP refuses to do anything about. LV had a GM, and D2 used IP addresses from a hacked forum to root out spies. Every single major side in this war has skeletons in their closet. Some just more than others. Nobody is good. Nothing is white. Just shades of gray. --23 Member-- EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Bigeasy Caldari Shadow Of The Light R i s e	Posted - 2007.03.07 03:13:00 - [29] In war there is no good or bad...only who is victorius, and who is dead. Let them hate, so long as they fear-Caligula
Uuve Savisaalo Umbra Congregatio	Posted - 2007.03.07 03:24:00 - [30] i think there has been a bit of a misunderstanding of the motives behind what has been happening of late. It is not that bob are being opposed en masse because they've proclaimed themselves to be the strongest. Just that for the first time in the game's history an entity has come out with both the will and the very much palpable ability to do just that - at least if things had continued much in the same way they previously had, with different alliances burrying heads in the sand when their neighbours came under attack. Eventually it was voiced quite openly that bob wanted to take over just about, oh, everything. The coalition aren't really 'good guys' of any sort, but simply represent everybody in eve who does not wish to have their territories subjugated by bob, nor wants to pay tribute for the privelege of 'loaning out' 0.0 space. Granted, some members of the coalition already speak of loaning out space just the same, but ultimately coalition groups are independent and diverse in their aims, with few harbouring serious ambitious of conquest or indeed the ability to realise such if they did. If some sufficiently-determined startup wanted to carve out a niche with guns blazing, they'd likely be able to - but not in a world entirely dominated by bob. so i guess what i mean to say is, the good guys largely depend upon what you believe best serves eve in the future.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.07 03:25:00 - [31] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 07/03/2007 03:22:15 Originally by: Limlox So, how do people come to the conclusion that BoB are the victims in all of this? I suggest the following: Do a bit of research, look into BoB's history then see if you still feel the same. I'm guessing its because when other alliances did cheating of larger scales, nobody attacked them for it. Do you think it was fine for Red Alliance to cheat themselves the ISK equivalent of 100 titans? If you don't think it was fine, why isn't it a big deal? And if it isn't, can I have a few trillion? I mean, give or take a few hundred billion --23 Member-- EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Merces Mercedis Minmatar Lunitic Fringe	Posted - 2007.03.07 03:30:00 - [32] Originally by: Luthien Firefoot Over the past couple of months we have seen the eve publics opinion on certain alliances change BECAUSE THEY WERE CAUGHT CHEATING. Ever wonder how many Devs there are? And ever wonder if those devs play the game they work hard to maintain? I would be willing to bet that in EVERY large alliance and quite a few smaller ones have Devs in them that no one knows about. Those are the Devs that have managed to keep a low profile. I for one hate BOB I feel they feel there better than all of us and I would love to see them defeated. But not for the reason given here. I hate to defend CCP here but ONE Dev made a mistake and helped HIMSELF to a BPO. From what I have been told this BPO lined his pocket more than it ever helped the corp or alliance he was in. So please if you want to see BOB defeated lets do it for the right reason and not this crappy excuse. If you go back through these forums you will see the very alliances that we are all playing in now to roll over BOB have a very storied history filled with instances of wrong doing. Most of us need to remember this is a game and the ebb and flow will change who is in power and who is not. Now LV is gone lets all work together and finish the job for the right reason.
The Jok3r Hookers From Mars	Posted - 2007.03.07 03:39:00 - [33] Originally by: Luthien Firefoot am a KOK holster IRL Fixed it for you "Dont speak english... Ctrl Q Ctrl Q "
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.07 03:42:00 - [34] Edited by: welsh wizard on 07/03/2007 03:41:07 Forget the cheating, its minor in the grand scheme of things. Heres why people don't like BoB: a) They're very good at Eve. b) We're all bitter and jealous, in much the same way as we all hate Man Utd, Chelsea or the LA/NYC Dodgebull Pit Super Vipers or whoever is good in the states at handball. :P c) They harbour large quantities of people with superiority complexes. Whether or not they're good enough to be allowed the luxury of shoving this down everyones throats is besides the bloody point (refer to point b) ). d) They're the only entity that currently poses a threat to 0.0 in its entirity. They're good enough to conquer vast amounts of conquerable space. Result? Stagnation, probably. e) They harbour large quantities of people who enjoy shooting their mouths off. "All alliances do!!" Maybe, but after 3-4 years in here there is a clear winner. f) We all still hate ATUK. :P g) We all feel we have something to prove in this game and destroying BoB is basically end game. i) They're reading posts like this and chuckling to themselves. j) There was a point (j) but its temporarily escaped my inebriated brain. End. edit: And I missed h). Probably a good idea to go to bed then.
VinceNoir Amarr Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.03.07 03:52:00 - [35] Originally by: welsh wizard b) We're all bitter and jealous, in much the same way as we all hate Man Utd, Chelsea LUFC till I die
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.07 03:56:00 - [36] pfstchwallop John Arne "I wanna know how you scored that goal" Riise and Super Stevie G all the way matey. :P
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.03.07 04:14:00 - [37] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 07/03/2007 03:22:15 Originally by: Limlox So, how do people come to the conclusion that BoB are the victims in all of this? I suggest the following: Do a bit of research, look into BoB's history then see if you still feel the same. I'm guessing its because when other alliances did cheating of larger scales, nobody attacked them for it. Do you think it was fine for Red Alliance to cheat themselves the ISK equivalent of 100 titans? If you don't think it was fine, why isn't it a big deal? And if it isn't, can I have a few trillion? I mean, give or take a few hundred billion Can you prove that no other plexes were exploited by other alliances?
boogaboob Caldari BIG Advanced Assault Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.07 04:44:00 - [38] Edited by: boogaboob on 07/03/2007 04:42:33 Seriously, Pyrrhus Sicarri, not only is your name too hard to spell, but you've surpassed Exuko Mortis (also hard to spell, so sorry if I did spell wrong) as BoB's biggest cheerleading squad. Repulsive. Moral high ground? Nahhh, not really in the sense you're trying to get at. But nearly every power in this game, with the exception of BoB (of course) and their many tenants (who fight for the right to pay the rent? 'Cause that's what your doing. WTF?) recognizes BoB in their current form represents too large a threat to the well-being of the game, to the continued diversity of 0.0 space, to be allowed to continue to exist at their current level of power and influence. We know that if we allow you (well actually, your masters) to continue to grow, all that will be left of 0.0 will be a blank expanse of Band of Brothers blue, with dozens and dozens of spineless, rent-paying tenants. Certain other alliances may eventually want to accomlish the same thing, but none but BoB has nearly enough power, enough resolve to do so. D2? Nahh. Even if they did manage it- and they won't- They treat the allies that live in their space much more like allies and less like pets. Before and after BoB, alliances will rise to power. They will rise, and they will fall. BoB is the only constant, and they have grown fat and swollen. Far too powerful. In order for EVE to proceed as it has for years, BoB must be brought down. The balance must be restored. You and your ilk are standing in the way of that restoration. So you will die too. Signatures done by me! Evemail me! Anyone? No? Aww...
VinceNoir Amarr Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.03.07 04:50:00 - [39] I want to hate you, but your sig is so win.
Lister Black Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.03.07 04:55:00 - [40] Edited by: Lister Black on 07/03/2007 04:53:51 Originally by: boogaboob In order for EVE to proceed as it has for years, BoB must be brought down. The balance must be restored. Whatever you say, Obi-Wan. ---------------------------- "Unshrink you?! Well that would require some sort of a REbigulator, which is a concept so ridiculous it makes me want to laugh out loud and chortle..." -Prof.Frink
Darken Two Gallente Hybonashi Industries Kith of Venal	Posted - 2007.03.07 05:00:00 - [41] Originally by: Lister Black Edited by: Lister Black on 07/03/2007 04:53:51 Originally by: boogaboob In order for EVE to proceed as it has for years, BoB must be brought down. The balance must be restored. Whatever you say, Obi-Wan. Hey don't mock him, it was you're corpmate who started this "crying into his cornflakes" style thread. Oh the drama.... Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
VinceNoir Amarr Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.03.07 05:01:00 - [42] Originally by: Darken Two Originally by: Lister Black Edited by: Lister Black on 07/03/2007 04:53:51 Originally by: boogaboob In order for EVE to proceed as it has for years, BoB must be brought down. The balance must be restored. Whatever you say, Obi-Wan. Hey don't mock him, it was you're corpmate who started this "crying into his cornflakes" style thread. Oh the drama.... He's not just a corp mate. He's also my lover.
boogaboob Caldari BIG Advanced Assault Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.07 05:23:00 - [43] Oh yes, and another point, more relevant. If you truly think that Youwhat nad Chorus of Dawn throwing in their lot with BoB could possibly be the beginning of a cascade of alliances declaring for BoB, and not an expected outcome, you need to research those alliances more thuroughly. For starters, Youwhat has a longtime history of animosity with D2. They were always just as likely to ally with BoB as with D2. As for Chorus of Dawn, they are, by their own admission, Youwhat standings slaves. They have strong ties to youwhat and will do basically the some thing YW does. And yeah, the end of my post did sound a bit star wars-y, but you better believe it's fecking true. We're coming for you. The sexual-intercourse-without-consent locomotive has no speed reduction apparatus. Signatures done by me! Evemail me! Anyone? No? Aww...
steamy The Littlest Hobos	Posted - 2007.03.07 05:43:00 - [44] Originally by: boogaboob Oh yes, and another point, more relevant. If you truly think that Youwhat nad Chorus of Dawn throwing in their lot with BoB could possibly be the beginning of a cascade of alliances declaring for BoB, and not an expected outcome, you need to research those alliances more thuroughly. For starters, Youwhat has a longtime history of animosity with D2. They were always just as likely to ally with BoB as with D2. As for Chorus of Dawn, they are, by their own admission, Youwhat standings slaves. They have strong ties to youwhat and will do basically the some thing YW does. Or they are the first to realize that the liberators will be the dictators of the future, rl history has shown that many times and so did Eve history. Maybe they think it would be better to control BoB rather then destroying it. Sometimes it's better to live with a threat, then to go into the unknown and not knowing where you stand yourself in a few months. Personally, im watching the war with eagerness, in the end, this little coalition will tear itself apart due the nature of it's existence, either being before or after they destroyed BoB or BoB destroyed them. The effect on Eve will be the same, chaos for a few months Steamy If you only look at the road ahead, Life isn't worth the trip -- Dante
Jacob Castillo Caldari Copperhead Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.07 05:44:00 - [45] As Tyrrax said, there are no good guys.
Adam Weishaupt Minmatar Illumination Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.07 06:03:00 - [46] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 07/03/2007 02:59:07 Originally by: Shin Gor Right now it is BoB who wished to dominate all of the 0.0 space. RA and D¦ are happy as they are. So i kinda tend to think that BoB are the bad guys right now. Have you at all read any of Mitanni's or Remedial's posts? Goonfleet has a set-out plan for conquering all of EVE. Their allies don't seem to notice. No side is "good" in this war. Band of Brothers had directors caught cheating, and Red Alliance has eight trillion in exploited ISK that CCP refuses to do anything about. LV had a GM, and D2 used IP addresses from a hacked forum to root out spies. Every single major side in this war has skeletons in their closet. Some just more than others. Nobody is good. Nothing is white. Just shades of gray. Yeah, and BOB has rental agreements drawn up for the North - they're both overarching hegemonic aspirants, I think most of the alignment comes down to some people just preferring to work with their friends or the devil they know, and then others being drawn in by economic/geographic gravity. Big deal. Shooty shooty. What's more interesting than the neverending flame fest is the tactics and strategies that both sides are using in what's becoming a war of total annihilation. If the Goons' free trade idea becomes a workable reality then you can bet the silent majority won't really care what they post on the forums, they'll just enjoy the low taxes and ignore most of the world. Both sides have a big picture strategy, and I think that's pretty awesome, especially for the Goons, who were once epitomized by their total lack of strategy. So some people have a problem with xxx person in xxx alliance who did something shady - collective guilt is a lame excuse for shooting someone, even moreso because you shouldn't NEED much of an excuse. BOB asked for the fight, now they have it, now let's see who wins. Also, Vince, you're starting your own threads now? This is a new level of forum whoring for you. I salute you. Lister, you...well, there just aren't words, are there?
Adam Weishaupt Minmatar Illumination Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.07 06:13:00 - [47] Originally by: boogaboob Edited by: boogaboob on 07/03/2007 04:42:33 Seriously, Pyrrhus Sicarri, not only is your name too hard to spell, but you've surpassed Exuko Mortis (also hard to spell, so sorry if I did spell wrong) as BoB's biggest cheerleading squad. Repulsive. Moral high ground? Nahhh, not really in the sense you're trying to get at. But nearly every power in this game, with the exception of BoB (of course) and their many tenants (who fight for the right to pay the rent? 'Cause that's what your doing. WTF?) recognizes BoB in their current form represents too large a threat to the well-being of the game, to the continued diversity of 0.0 space, to be allowed to continue to exist at their current level of power and influence. We know that if we allow you (well actually, your masters) to continue to grow, all that will be left of 0.0 will be a blank expanse of Band of Brothers blue, with dozens and dozens of spineless, rent-paying tenants. Certain other alliances may eventually want to accomlish the same thing, but none but BoB has nearly enough power, enough resolve to do so. D2? Nahh. Even if they did manage it- and they won't- They treat the allies that live in their space much more like allies and less like pets. Before and after BoB, alliances will rise to power. They will rise, and they will fall. BoB is the only constant, and they have grown fat and swollen. Far too powerful. In order for EVE to proceed as it has for years, BoB must be brought down. The balance must be restored. You and your ilk are standing in the way of that restoration. So you will die too. See, Vince, it's hard to convince people who've been displaced by BOB that they're the good guys. Clearly I underestimate the role long-held grudges play in this game. I remember when ASCN was getting steamrollered by BOB, and myself being former Tribal Souls, I quite enjoyed it. So I guess the forums are just a multitude of zealots who've already made up their minds announcing their views loudly, and then a handful of disinterested parties commenting on them from their armchairs. Fun. @ booga: You could be completely, utterly, correct, and that's why this war is fun. Because it's hypothetically for all the marbles. And THAT is why the forums are important - because they lend an increased sense of purpose to all those aimless drifting pod pilots out there, yeah? I mean, this stuff is golden...if this was any other game, people would just *** and moan and say, "Oh, we're going to another server, where this OMG HAXSPLOITS/lameZORS won't happen." No choice here, we're all in this clusterfk together.
Johnny ReeRee The ReeRee Brigade	Posted - 2007.03.07 06:19:00 - [48] Originally by: Adam Weishaupt If the Goons' free trade idea becomes a workable reality then you can bet the silent majority won't really care what they post on the forums, they'll just enjoy the low taxes and ignore most of the world. ROFL! "free trade" The goonie ice hauling slave deal is worse than any deal BoB is offering! And the goonies are worse for Eve than BoB ever has been.
Morpheus Dreadnor	Posted - 2007.03.07 06:34:00 - [49] im starting to get amazed. its odd how people keep flaming the general bob member for the dev ****... if i were bob i would acuse ccp for giving them a bad rep. and claim the bpo to stay in bob. its lame that a dev can have such impact on the game. have anyone thought about that ? sure the bob leedership knew. but the general member might not. its ccp fault not bob. atm there is dev in most bigger aliances. i BET they use odd tactic in all those alliances. its very unlikely they wouldent use ways they know about as dev if they needed it.. just my 2 cent. Auction caracter. Signature image removed - That's just wrong... mkay? - Immy
Einheriar Ulrich Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.07 06:45:00 - [50] Originally by: Luthien Firefoot Over the past couple of months we have seen the eve publics opinion on certain alliances change BECAUSE THEY WERE CAUGHT CHEATING. Edited your post for you for easier / quicker reading. individuals....they dont make out an hole alliance, seriusly, if you play this game, only to destroy others, because you have deemed all cheaters, you need to step down from the game. >Goto war because of political issues, ingame hatred(keyword ingame), or because you want to meassure yourself with one of the strongest alliances ingame. But againa nd again,claiming awhole allianceare cheaters,because individuals, where caught with their hands in the***ie jar.... Originally by:** Jiekon/CCP If you are sitting with a guy and he says "ok, i'm logging off now" and you shoot him, that is fine.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.07 06:57:00 - [51] Originally by: thoth foc This applies to quite a number of groups.. including allies of yours.. righteous indignation hasnt been cutting it as propaganda for a while now Oh really. I must have missed the dev blogs for RA and D2. :) They've only been for BOB and LV afaik
VinceNoir Amarr Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.03.07 07:05:00 - [52] Adam, you beautiful man. We miss you
NereSky Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.03.07 07:34:00 - [53] Ive played on-line games since they were released and in all that time only one type of person in these games is frowned upon, in soldier of fortune 2 it was the eople using aimbots and other such programmes to make themselves 'Uber' that form of cheating in a game is more dispicable than eves logon/logoff tactices ect. gamers require to be on a even playing field else tbh there is no point, all the allegations ive heard over a long period of time using this type of tactic ive always written off as jealousy of a very good gaming alliance .....until.... one was 'PROVEN' to be true and when CCP were backed into a corner had to admit sadly this to me makes me think back to all the other allegations (which 'apparently' due to lack of evidence has been classed as unproven,) maybe have elements of truth in them, my view of the once great pvp alliance is forever tarnished but i also know i will never know all the truth which leads me frustrated and angry still as i havent had closure, this has been the catalyst for me to fight all out as i do 'win or lose' i will fight for a even playing field for all of Eve. im a great believer in 'innocent until proven guilty' and the alliance i once respected so much has been 'PROVEN' guilty. end of the day both sides have a point of view and each and every persons individual perspectives are true, but this is my truth and my perspective and i will fight and give up my free time in pursueing the removal of the Alliance i no longer respect because the reasons i respected them are forever in doubt. the worst crime in onlining gaming has proven to have happened and i will not stand idley by and let this continue.
Xade Caldari K.T.P	Posted - 2007.03.07 07:35:00 - [54] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: thoth foc This applies to quite a number of groups.. including allies of yours.. righteous indignation hasnt been cutting it as propaganda for a while now Oh really. I must have missed the dev blogs for RA and D2. :) They've only been for BOB and LV afaik Erm is that because RA and D2 are letting others do their dirty work for them. Also for all those that keep saying it LV isn't gone. A large number of them continue to fight Goonswarm and its bandwagoning hoards in detorid. Remember this after the war if BoB/LV are defeated all your doing is replacing one power with another. From what i have seen of goonswarm they are the worst sort of players in eve and as a result i can see them turning on other alliances in the tenerifis area after the war. Goonswarm are growing so rapidly that bully tactics will be common place in their diplomacy. Although its unlikley your going to defeat BoB/LV and allies anyway
McDan Orbital Fleet	Posted - 2007.03.07 07:41:00 - [55] Edited by: McDan on 07/03/2007 07:38:01 The reign of every entity has to end at some point. Some fall easier than others and many do not even need wars in order to do so. LV and BOB could, as individuals and without too much trouble, take on any of the other alliances in eve. D2, RA, Goons and the rest of eve simply have no choice but to band together in order to accomplish this task. Still I doubt they can win this war, they need another major alliance or two in order to control the space they plan to take over.
Saul Reaver UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.07 07:43:00 - [56] Originally by: VinceNoir Over the past couple of months we have seen the eve publics opinion on certain alliances change because of stuff written on these forums, be it from alt trolls or supposed 'news reporters' spreading propaganda for the side that their main supports. We all know these forums are a great propaganda tool (especially CAOD) and that enough news reporting and alt trolling can change peoples opinion on a situation even if all the information they're basing that opinion on is total bull**. So what I want to ask the eve public, or rather the eve forum *s that frequent this section of the forums that we all love is how did these forums become so influential that the general eve publics opinion of an entire alliance/coalition could be flipped. I'm talking about goons/RA/everyone else jumping on the 'Rapetrain'. Not half a year ago this was a coalition that was hated throughout New Eden for exploiting game mechanics (Logoffski/onksi node crashing etc) for forum spamming (Not just eve-o they did it to ISS and I would assume other alliances with some pretty terrible images) and total nubtard behaviour (Making fun of someone dying in RL anyone?). I think we'd all agree that we don't want to see someone like that controlling Eve. Now I don't see this happening at all I don't think BoB/Lv will allow it. Hell, I'm not going to allow it. But you guys need to ask yourselves if you want to sit back and wait it out or if you want to do what some alliances (YouWhat, Chorus of Dawn etc.)are already doing and jumping on the anti ***Train Pain Train and give them some of their own medicine? Now I feel it's time to don my flame retardant jump suit and hit the 'Post New Topic' button. Hmmmmm, Interseting post. I will give you one word that describes the reason why most peeps want BOB to fall. "JEALOUSY"
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.07 07:45:00 - [57] The new boss would be the same as the old boss. Lets just all enjoy the fighting to see who that boss is. Cry havoc and let slip yadda yadda
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.03.07 07:49:00 - [58] Originally by: VinceNoir Now I feel it's time to don my flame retardant jump suit and hit the 'Post New Topic' button. Bob said keep it until things go bad. So keep it ----- History is made by whinners
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.03.07 07:52:00 - [59] Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 07/03/2007 03:41:07 Forget the cheating, its minor in the grand scheme of things. Heres why people don't like BoB: a) They're very good at Eve. b) We're all bitter and jealous, in much the same way as we all hate Man Utd, Chelsea or the LA/NYC Dodgebull Pit Super Vipers or whoever is good in the states at handball. :P c) They harbour large quantities of people with superiority complexes. Whether or not they're good enough to be allowed the luxury of shoving this down everyones throats is besides the bloody point (refer to point b) ). d) They're the only entity that currently poses a threat to 0.0 in its entirity. They're good enough to conquer vast amounts of conquerable space. Result? Stagnation, probably. e) They harbour large quantities of people who enjoy shooting their mouths off. "All alliances do!!" Maybe, but after 3-4 years in here there is a clear winner. f) We all still hate ATUK. :P g) We all feel we have something to prove in this game and destroying BoB is basically end game. i) They're reading posts like this and chuckling to themselves. j) There was a point (j) but its temporarily escaped my inebriated brain. End. edit: And I missed h). Probably a good idea to go to bed then. +1 Point j is about spies and shame techniques. ----- History is made by whinners
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.07 08:18:00 - [60] Originally by: steamy Personally, im watching the war with eagerness, in the end, this little coalition will tear itself apart due the nature of it's existence, either being before or after they destroyed BoB or BoB destroyed them. The effect on Eve will be the same, chaos for a few months Brilliant observation....Isn't this exactly what the Coalition has been saying all along. This is not a permanent alliance, its an agreement born out of opportunity and necessity, and will be dissolved after the war. That is what makes the Coalition much more attractive as a victor in this war than BoB. On the BoB side we have 1 'superpower' and tons of little satellite/pet/slave corps and alliances, on the other side we have a bipolar Coalition (D2 and RAGOON) surrounded by various smaller allies. And most of these smaller entities within the Coalition are considerably more independent than their equivalents on BoB side, as evidenced by their own presence on the map and such. -------------- In completely unrelated news, after careful research, the Guiding Hand Social Club concludes that no member of the Guiding Hand Social Club is guilty of corptheft.
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.03.07 08:39:00 - [61] I think the entire eve community simultaneously decided that they could not stomach another arrogant post from DBP.
Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.07 08:42:00 - [62] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk There are no good guys. Tyrrax won this thread. Blog at: The Jammy Blog
Alexxi Ljung Amarr Mad Potatoes	Posted - 2007.03.07 08:43:00 - [63] Is rather simple... Until now, all alliances that died in eve, died through internal conflict before any fights, invasion and whatever anyone will try to tell you. NOT ONE alliance was conquered until its internal conflicts tearedit apart. Until recently, there was no land controll and since then, Stain, G and ASCN were dead before any external pressure... this land controll is growing in importance with every devblog we read and i believe it will change the face of eve bringing to life the first true player empires. this being said, BOB is the only major player alliance that dint fall under its own weight. Some are seeing this as a danger to theyr own little piece of space Some as a major danger to all 0,0. and some as a threat to theyr own plans. All the rest are just bull**** reasons... they need to be punished or eliminated we hate them they are this and that... all is just motivation for morons and face saving reasons. And ofcourse there are the true players that say: Who should i fight? if not the best
Shikome Alluin Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.07 08:54:00 - [64] Originally by: Saul Reaver Hmmmmm, Interesting post. I will give you one word that describes the reason why most peeps want BOB/LV to fall. "JEALOUSY" Not really... I rejoined EVE after 2+ years of abcense and the first thing I reacted to while building Iskies in dull empire and trying to form an understanding of what was what in the EvE political scene, was the feeling of Big Brother (1984, not Tv show!!) And thats it... Big Brother. Someone that wants all the power... All the 0.0 space... Selfproclaim that "Iam the greatest" (Only person in the world that could pull that of was mr Ali!!) Someone that wants to control and tax thier "lessers" (sorry LV, but its not BoB/LV... its BoB.) Etc etc yadda yadda Someone like that needs to get a swift kick in the "ammaaagaaad that hurts" place (choose your soft spot) We dont fight BoB becouse BoB is the flavor to attack, we fight becouse that flavor is rancid!
Heikki Gallente Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2007.03.07 09:13:00 - [65] Originally by: Merces Mercedis ONE Dev made a mistake and helped HIMSELF Actions of one wrongdoer is not a good reason to hate whole entity. Yet you can judge the whole entity by their reaction to the incident. Say every country has criminals; it's no good to hate whole country over soldier raping a family and stealing their jewels. But you sure may feel justified anger if the said country doesn't punish the soldier and return the jewels. So, for judging BOB over this issue: - Was those involved ceos/directors kicked off alliance (for knowing of busted dev yet keeping his assets for months)? - Did BOB make any attempts to return unfairly gained advantages? CCP said they weren't interested on any dealing punishment on this issue (focusing more on preventing future incidents). If people feel BOB did wrong when eagerly embracing the bad guy, it's up to players to try deliver the judgement. -Lasse with rather biased analogies
Ben Derindar KelBen Productions	Posted - 2007.03.07 09:27:00 - [66] Originally by: Heikki Originally by: Merces Mercedis ONE Dev made a mistake and helped HIMSELF Actions of one wrongdoer is not a good reason to hate whole entity. Sadly, the mob disagrees. /Ben How to fix Eve
Pesadel0 Vagabundos THE H0RDE	Posted - 2007.03.07 09:37:00 - [67] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 07/03/2007 03:22:15 Originally by: Limlox So, how do people come to the conclusion that BoB are the victims in all of this? I suggest the following: Do a bit of research, look into BoB's history then see if you still feel the same. I'm guessing its because when other alliances did cheating of larger scales, nobody attacked them for it. Do you think it was fine for Red Alliance to cheat themselves the ISK equivalent of 100 titans? If you don't think it was fine, why isn't it a big deal? And if it isn't, can I have a few trillion? I mean, give or take a few hundred billion The same can e said about the BoB farming 6/10 complexes in delve ,dont you think? I was sworn to absolute secrecy BY CCP.
Tequilapepper Amarr Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.07 10:07:00 - [68] I will try to express my opinon in here without creating flames. This is my position from the perspective of someone who did lead the defence of an alliance for almost 5 month, before my RL storming into my past habits. Now I am just a grunt for RL needs, had not the needed time to be leading. This is not dependant from the alliance itslef, but from knowing what I am talking about. Every alliance used lame tactics, questionable tactics or tactics at the edge of the rules. Some alliances does not like to use those tactics and condamn those officially, the truth is that you can't control all your pilots and that someone will be guilty in your alliance for sure. I am sure ALL the big powerblocks have pilots who have contacts with devs, there is plenty of evidence everywere and not only BoB sided. Simply the BoB one was discovered and CCP did deal with that. I still believe that most of them do what their are payed for at their best, and there will be always someone who will abuse their power, not necessarly BoB side. But CCP will always deal with them soon as they will find out, as is their main interst to maintain the "Status quo". So whomever decides that for his fun is the best thing to fight BoB because is the strongest entity ingame ATM, go ahead. Just save us from claiming yourselves as paladin of truth. You saw your cheap propaganda does not pay back. And don't tell me that the goons, and their overnumbering tactics is fun or is correct, most times the coalition that was defending was able to field as many pilots as they did, but server had no chances to hold. Asserting that they are not exploiting this, is a kind of nonsense. Because this will always endup using a not game-alike tactic to win. If you field enough number of pilots to face them, the node crashes and they save their POS, if you don't you get a memorable beating. At the end the attacker with over numbering tactics wins. If this is the good, between good and bad, a man have to choose the lesser damage. So we all want to fight we all want to have fun, just save us the "we will free you" propaganda. Regards Tequilapepper FIX Grunt
Adril Alatar Minmatar Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.03.07 10:20:00 - [69] Originally by: Pesadel0 Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 07/03/2007 03:22:15 Originally by: Limlox So, how do people come to the conclusion that BoB are the victims in all of this? I suggest the following: Do a bit of research, look into BoB's history then see if you still feel the same. I'm guessing its because when other alliances did cheating of larger scales, nobody attacked them for it. Do you think it was fine for Red Alliance to cheat themselves the ISK equivalent of 100 titans? If you don't think it was fine, why isn't it a big deal? And if it isn't, can I have a few trillion? I mean, give or take a few hundred billion The same can e said about the BoB farming 6/10 complexes in delve ,dont you think? NO! 6/10 blood raider complexes were not bugged like the 6/10 angel plexes ;-)
Frygok Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.07 10:48:00 - [70] Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 07/03/2007 03:41:07 b) we all hate Man Utd How can a man with the name Welsh Wizard not cheer for Giggs, and therefore Man Utd? Heathen! On the whole good vs. bad thing, as one stated before, there is no such thing as good or bad. However, I think a part of this Coalition is probably to see just how many friends/pets/slaves/renters/whatever BoB actually has. Sure, speculations have been done and some qualified guesses have been made, but(correct me if I am wrong) this seems to be the first time that BOB has called in everybody who is on their side, politically. So now we know the true size of the BOB-block, and personally I feel it's quite big for an alliance who have proclaimed themselves to be the best. In any case, the fact that they have so many allies suggests that their proclamation of total EVE domination was in fact real, and thus the Coalition had to act. Add to that the "incident" thta happened recently, and human nature responding to that, well there you have it! All out war. And in the end, isn't that what everybody wants? NOTE: This mindless crap is my personal views, grunt soldier etc etc.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.07 11:12:00 - [71] Originally by: NATMav Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 07/03/2007 03:22:15 Originally by: Limlox So, how do people come to the conclusion that BoB are the victims in all of this? I suggest the following: Do a bit of research, look into BoB's history then see if you still feel the same. I'm guessing its because when other alliances did cheating of larger scales, nobody attacked them for it. Do you think it was fine for Red Alliance to cheat themselves the ISK equivalent of 100 titans? If you don't think it was fine, why isn't it a big deal? And if it isn't, can I have a few trillion? I mean, give or take a few hundred billion Can you prove that no other plexes were exploited by other alliances? Probably not. But honestly, I don't think that excuses either Red Alliance cheating their way to ISK-fueled invincibility or CCP doing nothing about it. At least when the revelations of the so-called "BoD" came out people did something; when people found that Red Alliance was a cheating alliance nobody did anything about it and they all pretended it never happeened. --23 Member-- EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Alice Cholmondeley Christine.	Posted - 2007.03.07 12:25:00 - [72] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I think the entire eve community simultaneously decided that they could not stomach another arrogant post from DBP. Would be better if the community started to condemn hackers. But hey, real life crimes have no place in eve, so it never happened right? so why not take advantage of it... right, Shamis?
Topaz Skydiver Minmatar Narrative Freshfood	Posted - 2007.03.07 12:34:00 - [73] Edited by: Topaz Skydiver on 07/03/2007 12:30:47 Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Point j is about spies and shame techniques. Have fun with goonfleet then. They have done it all: TS spying, forum spying and pasting it to EVE-O for propaganda, infliltrating corps to steal assets and trying to offline towers. And they are proud of it.
R'adeh Gallente Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.03.07 12:45:00 - [74] The difference is that RA don't make stupid posts like "OMGOMGOMG, we killed an AFK titan, whoooopwhooop...we are a gazilliontrillionbillion times better than you!!!1!!eleve!!" like BoB does (did). Last time I checked AAA was still shooting me, so I consider them "evil" too...just in a better way than I consider BoB evil _______________________________________________ My views are my own and I don't represent my corp.
Dawn Princess eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.07 12:57:00 - [75] Originally by: Firane Can't wait to get back to the good ole days of Alliance vs. Alliance, rather than 15 Alliances vs. Alliance. Will I get my wish? Not likely - at least until there are incentives in place by CCP to facilitate a return to that style of warfare. And until then, here's to the blob. In part this is because of l33t corps forming like those in bob, MC, outbreak and others. 0utbreak alone can easily field a group of 20+ T2 fitted sniper BS, plus tacklers and capitals if required. With that you can easily beat pretty much any average alliance out there in a fleet battle and so they have no option but to blob up to overcome you. If everyone were playing on a level playing field then 1 vs 1 would be fine, but as there are such huge gulfs in isk, experience and SP its just not possible.
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.07 13:24:00 - [76] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk There are no good guys. This post says it all and it became apparent to me when I used to lead The Huzzah Federation, there is no black and white.
Grimster Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.07 13:35:00 - [77] Originally by: Hans Roaming Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk There are no good guys. This post says it all and it became apparent to me when I used to lead The Huzzah Federation, there is no black and white. Are you my alt? Blog at: The Jammy Blog
Sho Usyagash Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.07 13:41:00 - [78] Originally by: Grimster Originally by: Hans Roaming Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk There are no good guys. This post says it all and it became apparent to me when I used to lead The Huzzah Federation, there is no black and white. Are you my alt? I thought I was. When I've had a few drinks I like to show off my Fandango.
Aphotic Raven Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.07 13:44:00 - [79] Edited by: Aphotic Raven on 07/03/2007 13:45:56 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: NATMav Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 07/03/2007 03:22:15 Originally by: Limlox So, how do people come to the conclusion that BoB are the victims in all of this? I suggest the following: Do a bit of research, look into BoB's history then see if you still feel the same. I'm guessing its because when other alliances did cheating of larger scales, nobody attacked them for it. Do you think it was fine for Red Alliance to cheat themselves the ISK equivalent of 100 titans? If you don't think it was fine, why isn't it a big deal? And if it isn't, can I have a few trillion? I mean, give or take a few hundred billion Can you prove that no other plexes were exploited by other alliances? Probably not. But honestly, I don't think that excuses either Red Alliance cheating their way to ISK-fueled invincibility or CCP doing nothing about it. At least when the revelations of the so-called "BoD" came out people did something; when people found that Red Alliance was a cheating alliance nobody did anything about it and they all pretended it never happeened. oh... oh... wait CCP did something when CCP T20's cheating was discovered? well. thats news to me Dark. All i remember is kierons constant "there are no infidels in iraq" style speech denying the whole thing... they banned kugustmen for being a hacking ass (fair enough that they didnt want him in the game.. but a diplomatic nightmare) but then kept ignoring the proof... you have to have absolute undeniable 100% proof to get them to just look into something.. and then KNOWING that the cheating HAD taken place MONTHS earlier they still denied and avoided it.. and now what have they done? nothing. nothing at all. there has been no form of justice. 2 things have caused this war... the leaders of the Coalition want bob gone, have for a long time, and the grunts are A) following orders B)enjoying it and C) are really **ed about the devs lying/inaction. So thankyou to t20 for causing what I sincerely hope will be the death of BoB as a major power for a long time to come. Theres plenty more down the rabbit hole but its hard to prove it... so RA's plex wasnt in delve.. oh no... guess ccp misplaced one. Originally by:** Dr Cupid Let me tell you all that I'm really enjoying eve-beta, and can't wait for the real game to come out!
Cole Steel	Posted - 2007.03.07 13:56:00 - [80] Edited by: Cole Steel on 07/03/2007 14:02:18 Edited by: Cole Steel on 07/03/2007 14:01:59 Originally by: steamy Originally by: boogaboob Oh yes, and another point, more relevant. If you truly think that Youwhat nad Chorus of Dawn throwing in their lot with BoB could possibly be the beginning of a cascade of alliances declaring for BoB, and not an expected outcome, you need to research those alliances more thuroughly. For starters, Youwhat has a longtime history of animosity with D2. They were always just as likely to ally with BoB as with D2. As for Chorus of Dawn, they are, by their own admission, Youwhat standings slaves. They have strong ties to youwhat and will do basically the some thing YW does. Thank you for bringing this up. I'm not flamming when I say this nor is it a rhetorical question but.... When, in the forum's eyes or EvE as a whole, is it ok to fight for your home with allies and not be called a sheep/muppet/pet/slave? Not that I care, but I am curious to see what would be justified in your thinking. As a grunt in CoD I fight for the corp and the corp says we fight for allaince and allaince says friends put out the call so GF and smack free local in advance. Cheers
Miranoff Caldari Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.07 14:23:00 - [81] I love how when RA/GOONS (or most other alliances for that matter) use game mechanics in thier favor its called exploiting but when BoB do it its called good gameplay..... sure you can say BOB dont logoffski, but in the grand scheme of things, that is a very minor peice of the "exploiting" pie that's been built up overtime. and to the poster that said they cant wait for the coalition to rip itself apart, or something to that affect, I like how Mal worded it.. Originally by: Malachon Draco Brilliant observation....Isn't this exactly what the Coalition has been saying all along. This is not a permanent alliance, its an agreement born out of opportunity and necessity, and will be dissolved after the war. That is what makes the Coalition much more attractive as a victor in this war than BoB. On the BoB side we have 1 'superpower' and tons of little satellite/pet/slave corps and alliances, on the other side we have a bipolar Coalition (D2 and RAGOON) surrounded by various smaller allies. And most of these smaller entities within the Coalition are considerably more independent than their equivalents on BoB side, as evidenced by their own presence on the map and such. on another note, there are a TON of reasons why people want to hit BoB, everyone has thier own individual reason, but they have all come together to get the job done. /tinfoil on this is kind of a loaded thread from the OP eh? get the eve community to re-think why its hitting BoB, if it wasnt a non-BoB character posting id almost swear it was a propaganda peice itself BUT its not a BoB Char or a BoB alt so no one should even fathom that thought! just get it out of yer heads now! /tinfoil off btw: these are my views only, not of my corp or alliance.. so dont blame them :) -----------------------------------------------
Darken Two Gallente Hybonashi Industries Kith of Venal	Posted - 2007.03.07 14:58:00 - [82] Originally by: Miranoff I love how when RA/GOONS (or most other alliances for that matter) use game mechanics in thier favor its called exploiting but when BoB do it its called good gameplay..... sure you can say BOB dont logoffski, but in the grand scheme of things, that is a very minor peice of the "exploiting" pie that's been built up overtime. and to the poster that said they cant wait for the coalition to rip itself apart, or something to that affect, I like how Mal worded it.. Originally by: Malachon Draco Brilliant observation....Isn't this exactly what the Coalition has been saying all along. This is not a permanent alliance, its an agreement born out of opportunity and necessity, and will be dissolved after the war. That is what makes the Coalition much more attractive as a victor in this war than BoB. On the BoB side we have 1 'superpower' and tons of little satellite/pet/slave corps and alliances, on the other side we have a bipolar Coalition (D2 and RAGOON) surrounded by various smaller allies. And most of these smaller entities within the Coalition are considerably more independent than their equivalents on BoB side, as evidenced by their own presence on the map and such. on another note, there are a TON of reasons why people want to hit BoB, everyone has thier own individual reason, but they have all come together to get the job done. /tinfoil on this is kind of a loaded thread from the OP eh? get the eve community to re-think why its hitting BoB, if it wasnt a non-BoB character posting id almost swear it was a propaganda peice itself BUT its not a BoB Char or a BoB alt so no one should even fathom that thought! just get it out of yer heads now! /tinfoil off btw: these are my views only, not of my corp or alliance.. so dont blame them :) This thread is def a propoganda piece. All the emo-drama being displayed by the op and generally his entire corp seems to indicate that they are quite likely alts of BoB or have been paid off in some way. Noone with any sense would post drivel liek this for any other reason. Good Vs Bad my arse Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Sky lv Chicas Locas Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.07 15:01:00 - [83] Edited by: Sky lv on 07/03/2007 14:58:44 Gonna Need a whole heap of cheese to go with this whine. I dont really understand this post, truely I dont. I thought all this action is exactly what bob wanted? Did not the bob pet corps/alliances (tho i'm not sure if this op is in a pet corp) know they would be caught in the cross fire? With statements like "we want to controll all of .0" multiple titans/motherships (basically unkilled pawn machines who can only be killed when someone is loggedoff) and the fact that they were caught getting dev help (which btw we would have NEVER known if not for one person blowing the whistle, and only a idot would believe this is all the help they got) sure all of eve should sit back while they take out each alliance one by one, yea thats the ticket.
prathe Minmatar Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.07 15:03:00 - [84] this war contains no good guys or bad guys it's just guys playing eve
Joram McRory Caldari Darwin With Attitude	Posted - 2007.03.07 15:19:00 - [85] Eve is all about war and conquest. In the past many factions have used RP reasons to engage in these (e.g. NBSI vs. ASCN). BoB have agressed most large power blocks in the game and that really is sufficient RP justification for the curent coalition against them. I know the catalyst was the CCP Dev involvement, but I would be very surprised to find that this was solely a BoB issue. If a single entity controls all of 0.0 the game is over really, so this is a justified conflict "for the good of the game" Hopefully DWA will be getting involved sooner rather than later.... and yes... I need a new Sig :-P Joram (CEO) My Photography site
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.07 15:25:00 - [86] Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 07/03/2007 15:23:47 Good? Bad? Black? White? To me, they're all shades of grey. The only true light is the light of Tachyon Beams burning through the sky. - - One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them. One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them.
prsr Gallente JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.07 15:39:00 - [87] Originally by: Limlox OK, yes one dev admitted to cheating... funny how the members of BoB aren't big enough to admit their part too. Thats not funny, thats you grasping for straws. Bob members are not cheating any more or less then any other alliance in this game. Certainly not more then RA or the Goons. Originally by: Limlox I suggest the following: Do a bit of research, look into BoB's history then see if you still feel the same. Well, seeing that I was playing this game before Bob was formed and I've fought them on more then one occasion I think I'd know something about Bob history. My "research" tells me people are just ganging up on the group that killed them and took their space ages ago. -- .sig apathy ftw
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.03.07 15:42:00 - [88] Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 07/03/2007 15:38:50 Originally by: prsr Originally by: Limlox OK, yes one dev admitted to cheating... funny how the members of BoB aren't big enough to admit their part too. Thats not funny, thats you grasping for straws. Bob members are not cheating any more or less then any other alliance in this game. Certainly not more then RA or the Goons. Most of what bob does isn't strictly cheating. Its just having access to more info than anybody else. From loose lipped GM's, to devs who explain game mechanics, to ccp personel that let them exclusively test a patch with max skills. You can't really blame them for taking advantage of the situation, but you can hate them for it, and you can blame ccp.
prsr Gallente JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.07 15:50:00 - [89] Edited by: prsr on 07/03/2007 15:50:25 Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Most of what bob does isn't strictly cheating. Its just having access to more info than anybody else. From loose lipped GM's, to devs who explain game mechanics, to ccp personel that let them exclusively test a patch with max skills. You can't really blame them for taking advantage of the situation, but you can hate them for it, and you can blame ccp. Anyone that spends time on the test server and on IRC can get themselves into such a position. It's not like devs will check your alliance tag before they decide you might be helpful for testing something. I've helped out on the testserver before. In large groups but also directly with BH staff, should CCP not do that? Should I tell the bughunter to do it himself? Spend time improving the game and you'll be more versed in the mechanics of the game. It's really not hard to see and it's not something others can't do. -- .sig apathy ftw
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.03.07 15:54:00 - [90] Originally by: prsr Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Most of what bob does isn't strictly cheating. Its just having access to more info than anybody else. From loose lipped GM's, to devs who explain game mechanics, to ccp personel that let them exclusively test a patch with max skills. You can't really blame them for taking advantage of the situation, but you can hate them for it, and you can blame ccp. Anyone that spends time on the test server and on IRC can get themselves into such a position. It's not like devs will check your alliance tag before they decide you might be helpful for testing something. False.
prsr Gallente JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.07 15:55:00 - [91] Edited by: prsr on 07/03/2007 15:53:57 Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: prsr Anyone that spends time on the test server and on IRC can get themselves into such a position. It's not like devs will check your alliance tag before they decide you might be helpful for testing something. False. Words. Well, ok one word. Still, me not being in Bob kinda disproves the "false" allegation. -- .sig apathy ftw
Frantico Swedish Aerospace Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.07 16:17:00 - [92] "There are no good ppl only difrent degrees guilt..." all i have to say about the subject
Mourning Glory EVIL EYE INC	Posted - 2007.03.07 16:48:00 - [93] Bob have always been the bad guys to me...not really sure who Id call the good guys nowadays...:/ CCP could solve all the cheating, BOB friendly scandal by just making public the succesful petitions per corp/alliance. lol.. Easy to do stats and Im sure BOB would have no higher success rate than the rest of us. /me giggles cheekily.
Alice Cholmondeley Christine.	Posted - 2007.03.07 19:12:00 - [94] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I think the entire eve community simultaneously decided that they could not stomach another arrogant post from DBP. Would be better if the community started to condemn hackers. But hey, real life crimes have no place in eve, so it never happened right? so why not take advantage of it... right, Shamis? I don't see anything wrong with what was done, so I have no qualms about taking advantage of the info. Passively obtaining information about a video game seems very insignifigant, while there are many other hackers in eve who are destroying sites and stealing accounts, neither of which I'd ever want anything to do with. You know it's too late for that Shamis. If you didn't want to have anything to do with it you should've thought about that before you got involved.
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.03.07 22:56:00 - [95] Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I don't see anything wrong with what was done, so I have no qualms about taking advantage of the info. Passively obtaining information about a video game seems very insignifigant, while there are many other hackers in eve who are destroying sites and stealing accounts, neither of which I'd ever want anything to do with. You know it's too late for that Shamis. If you didn't want to have anything to do with it you should've thought about that before you got involved. I said I didn't want to be involved with destroying sites or stealing accounts. And I have never been involved with, or condoned such activities, nor has Kug for that matter. Shamis
Liet Traep Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.08 00:12:00 - [96] Edited by: Liet Traep on 08/03/2007 00:09:11 I refuse to be conquered. I will not knuckle under and pay rent. BoD has declared over and over again their intention to conquer all of 0.0 I don't want that to happen. Also I generally just don't like them. Goons and RA don't like them either and won't let them conquer all of Eve. All aboard the rapetrain!!!!
Mebrithiel Ju'wien Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.03.08 00:48:00 - [97] Originally by: Liet Traep Edited by: Liet Traep on 08/03/2007 00:09:11 I refuse to be conquered. I will not knuckle under and pay rent. BoD has declared over and over again their intention to conquer all of 0.0 I don't want that to happen. Also I generally just don't like them. Goons and RA don't like them either and won't let them conquer all of Eve. All aboard the rapetrain!!!! Everyone's a slave to something, Liet Good girls go to Heaven. Bad girls get drunk and pew pew in Delve.
Kespii Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.08 03:06:00 - [98] Originally by: Liet Traep Edited by: Liet Traep on 08/03/2007 00:09:11 I refuse to be conquered. I will not knuckle under and pay rent. BoD has declared over and over again their intention to conquer all of 0.0 I don't want that to happen. Also I generally just don't like them. Goons and RA don't like them either and won't let them conquer all of Eve. All aboard the rapetrain!!!! You already are a slave, you just dont know it yet
Katharina Gorbacheva Amarr Soviet Star Federation	Posted - 2007.03.08 03:11:00 - [99] Originally by: Liet Traep Edited by: Liet Traep on 08/03/2007 00:09:11 I refuse to be conquered. You're Minmatar, a slave of the Amarr Empire who conquered you --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Adam Weishaupt Minmatar Illumination Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.08 03:38:00 - [100] Originally by: Katharina Gorbacheva Originally by: Liet Traep Edited by: Liet Traep on 08/03/2007 00:09:11 I refuse to be conquered. You're Minmatar, a slave of the Amarr Empire who conquered you And in their wisdom, put us all the work in their factories, where we dutifully manufactured ****-poor laser cannons for them to suck with.

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