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Justinian Tormentus
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.07 16:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Thor Xian
Think it is hard to get a WoWbie to try Eve for the first time? Try getting someone who left Eve for WoW to come back.
It's like they decided Eve was too hardcore, so they had to do something that required less...everything.
I disagree, I played WoW for about a year and got bored with it and tried EVE. I got bored in EVE because I didn't know what to do really, so I went back to WoW, but within a month of playing WoW again I jumped back to EVE. Then I got into LV and stayed for a long time with only a minor break to try Vanguard with some RL friends, but that lasted all of two weeks after beta and I am back in EVE again.
So it is possible to leave EVE for WoW only to come back because no other game out is as complex and interesting as EVE.
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Lab Technician071548
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Posted - 2007.03.07 16:23:00 -
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One made up word: "soloability" Eve is way way more soloable than WoW so there's never a time when you are forced to wait to do something. Number one complaint about WoW? Sitzkrieg. WoW is like an eternal gate camp in a sniper battleship.
In WoW you have to work your @$$ off grinding to get to the end game. As soon as you get there, they add 10 more levels and all your equipment becomes obsolete. In Eve, you are already in the end game. There's no stupid grind along the way. Your equipment is never obsolete although not always optimal.
However, the fact that many MORPG players are unreasonably afraid of corpse looting so, bless its heart and soul, Eve is not a great choice for the trembling masses. Eve has consequences for your decisions. Real consequences. In a virtual kind of way. It's also difficult to play Eve well and mindlessly, which is not really true of WoW.
WoW is to solitaire as Eve is to Freecell. Sort of.
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Dant Kramble
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Posted - 2007.03.07 16:29:00 -
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I have yet to succeed in drawing a buddy into the game, but three points have seemed to make the biggest impression:
First, as has been mentioned - If you die in WoW, it costs you nothing but a few minutes being all grey and silver. In here, it can cost you months of effort. Risk and reward are related - if only in adrenaline.
Second, I played him that animated alliance map (can't find it right now). Kinda made the point that the things you do can matter longer than a few minutes.
Third, contrasting the "Serenity Now" verison of grief in WoW to the Guiding Hand Social Club version in EVE. My buddy is no fan of griefing etc, but it does make the point of how much more invovled and various Eve can be.
"Whack-A-Mole" is a cute analogy, will have to try that next.
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Victor Payne
Minmatar
Frontier Expeditions
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Posted - 2007.03.07 16:42:00 -
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I have one question for ya....
are your friends people that have no lives and hardcores who can play like everynight of the week and dont mind endless mind numbing dungeons over and over just to hope they find that great pair of shoulders, then they gotta do it endlessly again so another person can get them, not to mention everytime they run the instance they pretty much do EXACTLY the same thing...(hit the same buttons, kill the exact same mobs)? if they are then it will be almost impossible to get them to leave wow. (edit: not criticizing here, but some people DO seem to have unbelievable amounts of free time, actually im a bit jealous of this)
But, do they have lives? families? jobs, maybe even children, or do they just want a more immersive and "intelligent" gaming experience, and sometimes complain about the monotony of Wow?? if they do tell them they gotta try Eve... ...the way eve is set up, it caters more those this type of persons, i.e. offline skill training, if you miss a few days you dont feel like your left behind, just to name a few etc... Also...Eve has alot more depth for them if they like a challenge that they can learn at thier own pace.
of course, they gotta like living in space instead of killing trolls...if they like that there isnt much we can do for them here....some people like having an actual human type character also, and cant comprehend being pretty much known as thier space ship and portrait..again, cant help them here either.
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Drakolis Gorgunden
Caldari
Tachivana Technologies
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Posted - 2007.03.07 20:16:00 -
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These are the basic reason why they play WoW.
Time, being able to get a group together quickly (maybe random people but normally it works out well) and go to a dungeon and possibly get a good piece of gear.
The fighting in WoW seems more involved. Yes your pushing the same button over and over again but you also do some moving, example rogue has backstab which of course you have to get behind a person/mob to get. This makes it difficult but you can control you character more.
Some do like the fact you can't lose your items. These are the few I believe won't leave unless they are shown that losing the items won't be THAT bad if they are destroyed. I think they just spent weeks trying to get this one item and couldn't imagine losing it. I've attempted to explain that items are easier to get in Eve and that losing them wouldn't be as extreme.
Space games aren't very popular as you all know. Even SWG is pushing it from my understanding. They are least have a combo of space and planet. Sci Fi takes a certain kind of mind set to understand that its basically all the same except i can go up and down in Eve
So much to grasp too soon. Mainly the learning curve in Eve is HARDCORE. These guys pretty much all have degrees in computer science or IT or buisness. They aren't stupid, but the time it takes to learn all these new and weird things to them is overwelming. I'd like to point them in the direction of a few guides to assist them with this but they have to have interest first. The INTEREST is what i'm trying to show them. What things in Eve are interesting, entertaining.
I personally could sit mining for hours and not really care but i've always been like that. Doesn't take much to entertain me. Although i do get bored of that and seek other means of entertainment. Missions I have a big problem with in this game, I think they are crap and need to be reworked.
Thank you for those who have responded and have given suggestions. I will try some out, maybe I can start a reaction that will get them all here.
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Larg Kellein
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.03.07 20:59:00 -
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OP, just show them this link: http://eve.klaki.net/heist/
It killed my final resistance to making the jump. Not from WoW, as I don't do fantasy, but if that doesn't work, you need better friends, to be honest
Originally by: Roy Batty68
My software has wronged me!!! And it's immediately "sorry". Well, ok then. I suppose I'm not so upset at my software if it appologizes.
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SerialTurd
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Posted - 2007.03.07 21:34:00 -
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Ask them if they are playing WoW for PVP. I've got a bud who actually plays that game for it's pvp. I told him about my very fist pvp interaction ever. I was in a friendly gang and we were looking for trouble (gate camping but moving to different systems). I'm in a tackler incurses and we get the word in TS that targets are coming are way and all tacklers be ready. My hands were shaking. SHAKING i tell you. I couldn't figure out why the hell I was shaking but I knew I had to breath and focus cause things were gonna get real hot real fast. Finally we see the jump gates flash and hostiles show up on local. I'll never forget those intense seconds watching overview waiting to hear them decloak. Finally they did and the engagement took place. We had two kills and no loses. The adrenaline was going through me and I was loving it. No other MMO i've played ever produced those feelings in me.
I read all the whine threads people post and this and that, but it all comes down to this... eve is erally one of the best if not the best MMO out there. I've played SWG, EQ, very little WoW (mostly on friends accounts), Planetside and they are all the same (excpet planetside). Eve really is huge and there's so much to do it's unreal. I've showed the benefits of Eve to friends and they decided to stick to WoW. That's their decision and if they want to do mindless grinding of skill/level/items till they maxed out their char then start a whoel new one and repeat the process.... they can be my guest.
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Galifardeua
Gallente
Completament Tarats
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Posted - 2007.03.07 23:11:00 -
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Every person has some diferent selling point. For example I drew someone into EvE just asking him what the graphics in the market (the dowchian channels or whatever) mean, as he knows more economy than me. He didn't answer and next I know he started playing. Didn't last long but I guess he had fun.
Some other friend I could never get them into EvE, partly because the tutorial, and me saying that it's some hours long and you have to do it, no excuses accepted. After that I can help.
But, don't spend ages trying to convince them, it's tyring and they'll ignore you when you talk about the game. I do when a friend talks about WoW (he wants me to play, I had enough MUD playtime when in university. yes, I consider EvE different).
After all everyone can have fun with different games.
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Krulla
Minmatar
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.08 00:22:00 -
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Everyone needs a different bait.
Tell the crafting enthusiast about how every single ship is player made only. Tell him how there's a functioning economy. Tell him about POS industrial networks.
Tell the PvPer about alliance warfare, piracy, etc. When he tells you how much honor he gained in WSG last night, you tell him how last night you fought in a 150 man fleet to defend your home region.
You get the idea. Tell them what they want to hear.
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Urduar
UrdCorp Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.08 00:28:00 -
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Edited by: Urduar on 08/03/2007 00:26:01
I've always been more interested in the depth of the market in Eve than the pew-pew aspect (was never a big sci-fi fan)..
If he's anything like that, mention that Eve has everything from Hedge Funds to IPO investments, and maybe link him to one of the best examples of a well-run honest business in Eve:
O'Mara Shipyards
If he likes the idea of building and running a true virtual company, maybe it'll draw him in.
Edit: Spelling
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Domatavus Fallatus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.08 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Berk
Show them the contract and market systems.
If they can see the word "Soulbound" or "Binds on Equip" tell em you will drop Eve and buy a 1 year sub to WoW.
Then demonstrate how great the market system is (See this mod? It's the best currently in the game right now, look I'm buying it nad no DKP!!!) or how Eve's crafting is ifinitely more complex than WoW's.
WoW is just for kids.
can you say ******* RIGS?
omfg...
coming back to eve from WoW because you just have to grind b4 pvping
"you gonna love the new stuff dom... rigs...."
rigs have soulbound written all over them.....
that's even a bigger contra for getting back to eve than having lag, blobfights, capital ship importance....
get my point?
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MasterEnt
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Posted - 2007.03.08 00:45:00 -
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Educate them?
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Pang Grohl
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.08 01:17:00 -
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The best selling point I have, is that in EVE, your gameplay is unique. I've yet to find anybody who goes about having a good time in EVE the same way. Even the most repetitive activities in EVE have a unique outcome. Mostly because of another player futzing with you. (Ore thieves, mission jumpers, gate campers, etc.) EVE is the only MMO that I've seen where your real life creativity can be turned to profit. EVE also lets you ignore the over arching story to what ever extent you please.
Contrast WOW & other MMOs that require you to run a dungeon or instance successfully before you can proceed, where the spawns and drops are so predictable that you can guarantee the outcome by following the same exact path as someone else. This is why I stopped playing most other computer games once I found EVE.
Simply, there is no script in EVE.
Si non adjuvas, noces
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Imas Pi
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Posted - 2007.03.08 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: SerialTurd
...snip... I was in a friendly gang and we were looking for trouble (gate camping but moving to different systems). I'm in a tackler incurses and we get the word in TS that targets are coming are way and all tacklers be ready. My hands were shaking. SHAKING i tell you. I couldn't figure out why the hell I was shaking but I knew I had to breath and focus cause things were gonna get real hot real fast. Finally we see the jump gates flash and hostiles show up on local. I'll never forget those intense seconds watching overview waiting to hear them decloak. Finally they did and the engagement took place. ...snip....
I love this kind of story - probably because I've succumbed to this jelly finger-heart-pounding-can't-type-worth-a-**** situation before as a tackler. Boy, you really can't beat that feeling.
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Rohab
Aegis Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.03.08 03:16:00 -
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Originally by: Drakolis Gorgunden
Needful information , 99% of my friends play WoW.
How do I draw them away from Warcraft and into the Eve universe?
Now before you say "if they play WoW then they would have no interest playing EVE"
I don't think that is 100% true or I wouldn't have left WoW for eve.
I've been off and on for years and have left in the past mainly because I got really bored. Now I'm holding on but since my RL friends play WoW and thats all they talk about most the time its getting difficult again. How do I sell this game to a WoW junkie? 
I'd just wait for them to get through pubity then tell them bout a decent game where the End game never happens! Also tell em to bring the Sworw of 1000 truths!
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Lord XSiV
Amarr
The Nine Gates
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Posted - 2007.03.08 04:33:00 -
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Originally by: Drakolis Gorgunden
These are the basic reason why they play WoW.
Time, being able to get a group together quickly (maybe random people but normally it works out well) and go to a dungeon and possibly get a good piece of gear.
The fighting in WoW seems more involved. Yes your pushing the same button over and over again but you also do some moving, example rogue has backstab which of course you have to get behind a person/mob to get. This makes it difficult but you can control you character more.
Some do like the fact you can't lose your items. These are the few I believe won't leave unless they are shown that losing the items won't be THAT bad if they are destroyed. I think they just spent weeks trying to get this one item and couldn't imagine losing it. I've attempted to explain that items are easier to get in Eve and that losing them wouldn't be as extreme.
Space games aren't very popular as you all know. Even SWG is pushing it from my understanding. They are least have a combo of space and planet. Sci Fi takes a certain kind of mind set to understand that its basically all the same except i can go up and down in Eve
So much to grasp too soon. Mainly the learning curve in Eve is HARDCORE. These guys pretty much all have degrees in computer science or IT or buisness. They aren't stupid, but the time it takes to learn all these new and weird things to them is overwelming. I'd like to point them in the direction of a few guides to assist them with this but they have to have interest first. The INTEREST is what i'm trying to show them. What things in Eve are interesting, entertaining.
I personally could sit mining for hours and not really care but i've always been like that. Doesn't take much to entertain me. Although i do get bored of that and seek other means of entertainment. Missions I have a big problem with in this game, I think they are crap and need to be reworked.
Thank you for those who have responded and have given suggestions. I will try some out, maybe I can start a reaction that will get them all here.
QFT.
WoW is designed for the masses which are generally simple people. Games like Eve are niche and are complex in order to cater to their userbase. If it wasn't for the complexity and the fact it weeds out most peons (well, we currently have an outbreak going on in the Eve community) which leads to a higher skilled playing level.
Getting right down to it, Eve is geared more to the sophisticated player and is actually something one can brag about in the gaming community these days. Whereas anyone can play WoW and be completely anonymous, in Eve there is only 1 instance and being successful is quite an accomplishment. Plus it is way cooler to wear your 'Can I have your Stuff' t-shirt to the computer shop and make fun of those playing wack-a-mole by telling them that in a few more years they might be mature enough to play a game such as Eve....
Yes conceited, but yes Eve is deserving of the title.
Some examples:
id Software vs Nintendo, ala Quake vs Super Mario
Cavedog vs Blizzard, ala Total Annihilation vs Starcraft
In both cases, the second entity had a far larger playerbase but the first entity had a far better quality game.
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hedfunk
Caldari
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.08 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: MrTriggerHappy
I'm trying to convert a girl (yes a real one) from a game called RF Online... needless to say.. it aint working yet 
She's not called 'Nirosaki' is she? xD
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