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Drakolis Gorgunden Caldari Tachivana Technologies	Posted - 2007.03.07 07:02:00 - [1] Needful information , 99% of my friends play WoW. How do I draw them away from Warcraft and into the Eve universe? Now before you say "if they play WoW then they would have no interest playing EVE" I don't think that is 100% true or I wouldn't have left WoW for eve. I've been off and on for years and have left in the past mainly because I got really bored. Now I'm holding on but since my RL friends play WoW and thats all they talk about most the time its getting difficult again. How do I sell this game to a WoW junkie?
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2007.03.07 07:10:00 - [2] If they have played more than one year, don't bother. My friend who played EVE with me long time ago, is now total WoW junkie and I cannot lure him back anymore - he even had 2 accounts . In WoW everyone is winner and no losers. Noone has to be victim, everyone can be hero. Thats major factor why people prefer virtual worlds like that - escape reality. In reality, we get shafted and hurted so why should we face same dilemmas in virtual life? .. and yes, I'm one of those bastids that makes you life miserable in EVE "Sadly this is the only game I've ever played that encourages and rewards people for being jerks and penalizes people that don't" -Forum Alt
Minia Cor	Posted - 2007.03.07 07:14:00 - [3] and thats perfectly find, because when we find you and kill you for your crimes ( or just for the bounty) it makes us feel like we have done something. Although it may only rob you of isk (which I don't agree with but for now it will do) its that feeling that I enjoy. As far as WoW , I thought they would have gotten bored with it after level 60. Then the expansion came out.... Mainly I'm looking for the GREAT things about eve. Something I can sell to them and snap them out of the madness
Kam SingDu'k Singularity.	Posted - 2007.03.07 07:14:00 - [4] Originally by: Kuolematon If they have played more than one year, don't bother. My friend who played EVE with me long time ago, is now total WoW junkie and I cannot lure him back anymore - he even had 2 accounts . In WoW everyone is winner and no losers. Noone has to be victim, everyone can be hero. Thats major factor why people prefer virtual worlds like that - escape reality. In reality, we get shafted and hurted so why should we face same dilemmas in virtual life? .. and yes, I'm one of those bastids that makes you life miserable in EVE and thats why I love the game :D
Samirol Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.03.07 07:17:00 - [5] dont, we already have enough people, its having a negative impact on the game http://www.iknowderek.com/
Drakolis Gorgunden Caldari Tachivana Technologies	Posted - 2007.03.07 07:22:00 - [6] Originally by: Samirol dont, we already have enough people, its having a negative impact on the game how?
SonOTassadar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.03.07 07:24:00 - [7] Do what I do. Make comparisons. I went about it the wrong way initially, trying to force it on them, and it didn't work out so well. If I knew now what I knew back then, I'm sure all of my friends would be flying alongside me. However, I have garnered people into the game who I had just recently met when we started talking about video games. Make an impression on the game. Compare it to WoW. You've played it, so you know both sides. The next time they talk about PvP, tell them about what happens when you PvP. While they will talk about "Man...only another 60 bagillion Honor Points and I'll be able to get my mount. I need to kill more [Horde / Alliance]!"; to which you respond, "Yeah, so the other day I killed one person. First I destroyed his ship (make sure this story is about a HAC, Command Ship, or Battleship). He probably spent... oh... at least a month or two saving for it, plus all the armor stuff and weapons on it, which I took the liberty of taking what survived. That isn't the half of it. In Eve, everyone gets out in an escape pod, too, which is the last chance of survival before you lose your clone. The clone itself is cheap to replace, and as long as you keep it up to date, you won't lose any skills -- it's not that big of a deal. However, you can also plug in implants into your head, up to 10 of them in fact, and all of them can be worth more than your ship. I killed his pod, too. Think of implants as like enchants, and that every time someone blows up your pod, you lose those enchants. I ruined his day, and I hope to do it again tomorrow." Some of them will be put of by the harshness of this. Explain to them what they can do aside from PvP. Some of them will be enticed. Show them the game. Make sure you're somewhere relatively safe. The first thing you do is undock from a station, explain to them a few things about your ship, the station behind you, the fact that you can warp to all these planets and moons and stations, and then go to the jumpgate and sit there. Open up your map, and zoom all the way in to the system you're in. Explain to them that this is the system you're in. Zoom out a little bit, and show them the constellation. Zoom out again, and show them the region. Zoom out to where they can see the entire galaxy. Then tell them you can travel to each and every one of these systems and they all have the same features as the one you're in now. Congratulations. You have done all you can. ----- Griffin -- 100,000 ISK ECM - Multispectral Jammer Is -- 20,000 ISK Standard Missile Launcher Is -- 10,000 ISK War target sobbing over losing a fight in his T2 fitted Battleship -- priceless
Drakolis Gorgunden Caldari Tachivana Technologies	Posted - 2007.03.07 07:35:00 - [8] Originally by: SonOTassadar Do what I do. Make comparisons. I went about it the wrong way initially, trying to force it on them, and it didn't work out so well. If I knew now what I knew back then, I'm sure all of my friends would be flying alongside me. However, I have garnered people into the game who I had just recently met when we started talking about video games. Make an impression on the game. Compare it to WoW. You've played it, so you know both sides. The next time they talk about PvP, tell them about what happens when you PvP. While they will talk about "Man...only another 60 bagillion Honor Points and I'll be able to get my mount. I need to kill more [Horde / Alliance]!"; to which you respond, "Yeah, so the other day I killed one person. First I destroyed his ship (make sure this story is about a HAC, Command Ship, or Battleship). He probably spent... oh... at least a month or two saving for it, plus all the armor stuff and weapons on it, which I took the liberty of taking what survived. That isn't the half of it. In Eve, everyone gets out in an escape pod, too, which is the last chance of survival before you lose your clone. The clone itself is cheap to replace, and as long as you keep it up to date, you won't lose any skills -- it's not that big of a deal. However, you can also plug in implants into your head, up to 10 of them in fact, and all of them can be worth more than your ship. I killed his pod, too. Think of implants as like enchants, and that every time someone blows up your pod, you lose those enchants. I ruined his day, and I hope to do it again tomorrow." Some of them will be put of by the harshness of this. Explain to them what they can do aside from PvP. Some of them will be enticed. Show them the game. Make sure you're somewhere relatively safe. The first thing you do is undock from a station, explain to them a few things about your ship, the station behind you, the fact that you can warp to all these planets and moons and stations, and then go to the jumpgate and sit there. Open up your map, and zoom all the way in to the system you're in. Explain to them that this is the system you're in. Zoom out a little bit, and show them the constellation. Zoom out again, and show them the region. Zoom out to where they can see the entire galaxy. Then tell them you can travel to each and every one of these systems and they all have the same features as the one you're in now. Congratulations. You have done all you can.
Lord XSiV Amarr The Nine Gates	Posted - 2007.03.07 09:08:00 - [9] Ok first question: Is their combined iq lower than your shoe size? If so, don't bother. You can ask them how their 'wack-a-mole' sessions are going. I got a peer to quit WoW using that one. Well, he wanted to quit anyhow but needed that extra push.....
doseph	Posted - 2007.03.07 09:16:00 - [10] I played WoW for a little over 10 months, but came to Eve on my own. Most people don't have the intelligence to realize that WoW is nothing but the same thing, over...and over...and over. There is so much more content in Eve that WoW looks like it is still in alpha.
MrTriggerHappy Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.07 09:30:00 - [11] I'm trying to convert a girl (yes a real one) from a game called RF Online... needless to say.. it aint working yet -------------------------------- My Comments in no way reflect my corp or alliance
Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.07 10:27:00 - [12] I'm currentley converting one of my very "i do Not like mmo" friends, he's not hugeley fussed about the whole space aspect, not really into fighting, fleets, huge ships, killing rats... Nope, what finaley got him into the trial was the trade and industry thing. Find out what ya friends like doing in WoW and tell them about Eve's version of it. Catch is i would guess that some of what WoW has to offer just isent compatible with Eve, esp. if your idea of fun is makeing a new dance move for your charicter and then teabaging the corpse of a dead npc. -
infraX Caldari Finite Horizon	Posted - 2007.03.07 10:28:00 - [13] I've tried to convert wow players that I used to play Planetside with back in the day. I've even got a fair few of them to have a go at a trial and some of them even signed up for a few months. Their biggest disappointment was the repetetive PVE game in terms of missions, along with the thought of the loss aspect of pvp despite me telling them that that is the thing that makes pvp so awesome in EVE. The other thing that put them off was the skill system - the thought of not being able to grind it out to improve and the thought of never being able to catch up.
Ysolde Xen Minmatar Liberal Trading Co Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.03.07 10:33:00 - [14] I've gone with honesty being the best policy. I explain that EVE isn't for everyone, that it's long term and complex with risks and rewards, asshats and really helpful people. It's not for a quick 5 second blastfest and it's not for faint hearted. I've actually got a large number of my friends playing it at one time or another but they decide that I really wasn't kidding about it being unforgiving and often go back to WoW. or nowadays, DDO. ----- Everyone knows Derek.
Warning Gatecamping	Posted - 2007.03.07 11:03:00 - [15]
Warning Gatecamping	Posted - 2007.03.07 11:09:00 - [16] Sorry you can't I have tried many many times and if they really are WoW junkies then you can't. Then again ... I have quitted this game (yes I know this is my last account pending on cancelation) and I have stopped trying to get people to play EVE as well (have had some successes getting people into this game). People that play EVE are those who love to some "hardcore" PvP... you got to accept loosing stuff and honestly that is what I miss most now but with the latest issues (I won't go into that again) I have quitted this great game... might come back who knows but only if CCP set things straight. Funny thing is .... I have actually begun to play WoW !!!! still miss EVE but who knows but hopefully other games dare to have full corp-looting and such but for now I think the thinking of game corporations are that we need to make a WoW-Clone... nobody plays other games (wich is totally bull****). I belive that people will and do love full looting and hardcore pvp... However... I do think that in games like WoW there will be problems to implement full looting because it is hard to get gold atleast in early stages and things will cost ALOT, that way it is more easy in EVE-Online to replace your items if you loose it.
Stitcher Caldari J.I.T. Enterprises Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.07 11:17:00 - [17] Edited by: Stitcher on 07/03/2007 11:15:13 Originally by: Ysolde Xen I've gone with honesty being the best policy. I explain that EVE isn't for everyone, that it's long term and complex with risks and rewards, asshats and really helpful people. It's not for a quick 5 second blastfest and it's not for faint hearted. I've actually got a large number of my friends playing it at one time or another but they decide that I really wasn't kidding about it being unforgiving and often go back to WoW. or nowadays, DDO. QFT. Still, it's possible to succeed quite well at converting people. See, back in the day, there were just two of us EVE-ites in my particular social group. The rest played (and still do) WoW, Final Fantasy XI, MXO, and so many more... Over the course of about a semester, while discussing the games we play and what makes them awesome, we all convinced each other to try each other's games out. Thus far, every one who has tried EVE has stuck with it. (Same goes for MXO, actually) while the WoW players have slowly been spending less and less time in that game, and more in EVE. I've tried WoW. I let my free trial run out, and never went back. EVE sells itself on its own merits. It isn't for everyone - some people just don't like the way you can permanently lose your stuff in fights, or the innate backstabbing nature of the PvP world. that's okay. Not everyone in the world is expected to like everything. NB: one of our biggest successes thus far has been a complete WoW junkie. They guy was seriously hooked. We brought him round eventually. He's not the most dedicated EVEite ever, but he's well into his third month now. ***
Redbad Minmatar Be Inspired Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.07 11:33:00 - [18] Edited by: Redbad on 07/03/2007 11:35:18 Edited by: Redbad on 07/03/2007 11:34:28 Show them a Loxyrider movie and et EVE speak for itself. And show them this movie: linky edit: linky added join us today!
Lord Berk Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.03.07 12:13:00 - [19] Show them the contract and market systems. If they can see the word "Soulbound" or "Binds on Equip" tell em you will drop Eve and buy a 1 year sub to WoW. Then demonstrate how great the market system is (See this mod? It's the best currently in the game right now, look I'm buying it nad no DKP!!!) or how Eve's crafting is ifinitely more complex than WoW's. WoW is just for kids. Kill it! It's killing me.
Spaced Skunk D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.03.07 12:18:00 - [20] Originally by: Drakolis Gorgunden Needful information , 99% of my friends play WoW. How do I draw them away from Warcraft and into the Eve universe? Now before you say "if they play WoW then they would have no interest playing EVE" I don't think that is 100% true or I wouldn't have left WoW for eve. I've been off and on for years and have left in the past mainly because I got really bored. Now I'm holding on but since my RL friends play WoW and thats all they talk about most the time its getting difficult again. How do I sell this game to a WoW junkie? If they play WoW they arent cool enough to play EvE to be honest Let the kids play thier mighty elf game.
Oosel Nightmare Holdings Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.07 13:03:00 - [21] ive played eve for years long b4 i ever played wow and the thing that keep you playing wow is time restraints....eve isnt a quick fix and in say half hour to an hour you cannot really do much in eve especially if you factor in travel and also if you play with only one account. you can do all sorts with that time in wow with crim flagging etc and scanning you cant even nip to make a brew or iron your shirt in eve loss means something in eve and this is the big draw for most eve addicts but for a great many people that self same loss os what keeps people away theres 100 bods in the guild im in wow wise and 90% have all tried and given up on eve because of time needed and loss and whenever i mention it in ts to the one other eve player all we get these days is snoring noises so i no longer try and convert them which is odd as they are all grown men and women and i thought eve would appeal to them a lot more
Demetrius Kane	Posted - 2007.03.07 13:19:00 - [22] Well, I personally feel that you might want to take the maturity/iq/age of your friends into consideration (as mentioned above). My take on WOW is this, Im happy Blizzard found a way to make piles of cash and stick around. I had alot of fun in their past games like diablo, etc. Im a hardcore gamer, vet of many clans, corps and fleets. I wanted something multiplayer that satisfies my love of complexity. WOW is a MMO heatsink, it absorbs all the "Elfy" players and keeps EVE cool.
Rashmika Clavain Gallente Revelation Space	Posted - 2007.03.07 13:28:00 - [23] Yup, if anything I view WOW as a very good filter which prevents the crap getting into the nice clean world of EVE. Your Signature exceeds max allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels. Mail us if you have any questions -Eldo
Sheriff Jones	Posted - 2007.03.07 13:34:00 - [24] Don't try converting, there's the problem right there. Try selling it as "something to do". Not all can play one game 24/7...no wait...look at that! You CAN play EVE 24/7 even if you play WoW So sell 'em a trial try, "Hey check it out when ya can". If they care for space thingies, they'll try and when they notice you can play this AND WoW, like yours truly is doing, they'll stick around. Then when they get bored with WoW and need a break, they got a place to go. Somtimes you want swords and magic, sometimes you want better things
Vasiliyan PAX Interstellar Services Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.07 13:35:00 - [25] Originally by: Lord Berk If they can see the word "Soulbound" or "Binds on Equip" tell em you will drop Eve and buy a 1 year sub to WoW. I agree with your basic point that the market is great - an entire game of itself - but I'd say that implants and rigs are "headbound" and "bind on install".
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2007.03.07 13:36:00 - [26] invite them for a beer while you drink, tell them your character continues to train his skill at that time call them at 4am "im in bed and my character skilling continues!" whenever you see one doing ANYTHING fun in RL, look worried and ask him "but how is the skilling going? mine continues" in 3 weeks they either join en masse or shoot you dead ------ Relaxed corp recruiting
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.03.07 13:42:00 - [27] Originally by: Kuolematon If they have played more than one year, don't bother. My friend who played EVE with me long time ago, is now total WoW junkie and I cannot lure him back anymore - he even had 2 accounts . In WoW everyone is winner and no losers. Noone has to be victim, everyone can be hero. Thats major factor why people prefer virtual worlds like that - escape reality. In reality, we get shafted and hurted so why should we face same dilemmas in virtual life? .. and yes, I'm one of those bastids that makes you life miserable in EVE QFT: WoW is a single player game, with your mates along for the ride. Death has little consequence, and its very difficult for one person to change the world. What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.07 14:01:00 - [28] First realise that despite the fact that WoW and EVE are both MMORPGs, they have virtually nothing in common. You're converting people from apples to oranges, and they probably have a citrus allergy. - If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine.
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.03.07 14:05:00 - [29] Think it is hard to get a WoWbie to try Eve for the first time? Try getting someone who left Eve for WoW to come back. It's like they decided Eve was too hardcore, so they had to do something that required less...everything. _________________________ ~Thor Xian, Material Defender Got Corp?
Miss Anthropy	Posted - 2007.03.07 15:37:00 - [30] Originally by: MrTriggerHappy I'm trying to convert a girl (yes a real one) from a game called RF Online... needless to say.. it aint working yet OMG people still play that? I tried it and quit after the first day. Utter waste of ú30. If grind = pain then; WoW = punch in face. RF Online = being beaten up by crowd of angry youths with baseball bats and left for dead.

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