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Ja'kar
Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals
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Posted - 2007.03.08 17:36:00 -
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Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 17:34:00
Ishquar Teh'Sainte
look chill no need to get rude - no I would not want the player base to change everything they wanted - we would all be playing wow with no pvp unless we shot out hearts and ships did not die but got a bit dirty.
but really yes CCP need to ballacce and they don't always get this right (anyone remember the 1400's projectile nerf - fix- nerf - fix)
when i say player run i mean CCP should proivid the structure (game rules - the univers we play in and how things interact.- player led means that (take the titan example) players should use em as they want (within the game rules) currently it seems to use titan you HAVE to be in sovern alliance.
I would love to see what m0o typ pirate corp would do with it and it would make for great fraps and form chat - as well as alliances would have something else to think about.
As the pirate corp would not have sovern space but a pos somewhere in 0.0 it would great finding them or trying to pop, I think this is a another example where CCP should let teh player base run with it and stop finding 'roles' for ships.
Look am noit gonna get into a flaming contest with you.
Ok m8
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Liu Kaskakka
PAK
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Posted - 2007.03.08 17:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Jump Nought
Perhaps you need to spend the next 6 years mining 23.5 hours a day 364 days a year to afford one, solo. Yet you could do it - if you wanted to.
Not sure, maybe he can't keep up with the inflation if he goes solo. ^_^
King Liu is RIGHT!!
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Sphynix
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Posted - 2007.03.08 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ja'kar
Sphynix - such a long post and still missed the point - please be civil -
As far as i can see i didn't miss the point. You can just buy one with enough ISK - i did say that didn't I?
Maybe you missed the point.
Or was the point of your post to point out that fact you couldn't see the point and thus had to point out i was being "un-civil" about the point?
Besides where was i being "not civil", i just pointed out 3 options.
If your point is that Titans cost to much and that your "poor" self should be allowed to build one for 50isk in empire with no risk at all. Then yeah, i did miss the point - because you never stated it.
You wanted to know why "only alliances" could have Titans - but as its been pointed out you don't have to even leave the newbie corp to acutally buy one.
Only if you want to build one do you need to be in an alliance - even that can be a single person corp, if you want it to be.
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Liu Kaskakka
PAK
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Posted - 2007.03.08 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ja'kar
I would love to see what m0o typ pirate corp would do with it and it would make for great fraps and form chat - as well as alliances would have something else to think about.
There are pirate corps with motherships, won't be too long before there's pirates with a titan.
King Liu is RIGHT!!
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Ja'kar
Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals
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Posted - 2007.03.08 17:41:00 -
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Perhaps you need to spend the next 6 years mining 23.5 hours a day 364 days a year to afford one, solo. Yet you could do it - if you wanted to.
m8... When did I say I was going to fly a titan or that I would own a titan - and am talking about RICH players (of which I am not) buying a titan-
and where after 6 years of mining would I park it
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Jump Nought
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Posted - 2007.03.08 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ja'kar
Perhaps you need to spend the next 6 years mining 23.5 hours a day 364 days a year to afford one, solo. Yet you could do it - if you wanted to.
m8... When did I say I was going to fly a titan or that I would own a titan - and am talking about RICH players (of which I am not) buying a titan-
and where after 6 years of mining would I park it
So what was the point in this thread?
Please explain.
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Ja'kar
Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals
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Posted - 2007.03.08 17:44:00 -
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Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 17:42:25
If your point is that Titans cost to much and that your "poor" self should be allowed to build one for 50isk in empire with no risk at all. Then yeah, i did miss the point - because you never stated it.
You wanted to know why "only alliances" could have Titans - but as its been pointed out you don't have to even leave the newbie corp to acutally buy one.
Only if you want to build one do you need to be in an alliance - even that can be a single person corp, if you want it to be.
ffs typical - eve post= flame, flame flame - ok lets just agree that you are an idiot and I will be more than happy.
So what was the point in this thread?
Please explain. - flame by trol must resit
Back to the OP - I will make it simple if you own titan you have to have sovern to park it! its that simple.
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Faaip De Oiad
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Posted - 2007.03.08 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ja'kar
Back to the OP - I will make it simple if you own titan you have to have sovern to park it! its that simple.
yes, that's correct. the devs consider this prerequisite as needed to make the use of a titan balanced. i think they are right.
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Sphynix
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ja'kar
Back to the OP - I will make it simple if you own titan you have to have sovern to park it! its that simple.
Umm, if by park you mean "dock" then yes. The only thing big enough to "park" one is a cap ship array - which you need sov to anchor.
But your entire original post was about the fact that alliances are the only ones allowed to own one.
Which simply isn't true.
Lets go for the hypothetical "i just bought a titan" idea.
You are in your own corp (you'll see why later).
You just spent the last 6 years mining for enough ISK to buy one and the mods to fit it.
You buy it and use a trial account to cyno yourself out of their system.
You warp to your own PoS and "eject".
You are the only person in your corp - so unless you give out the shield PW no one else can get at your "parked" Titan.
This meets the original complaint that anyone director+ could access the hanger.
Your titan is just as safe as if it was parked in a ship array - because if they take out the either PoS they get your titan anyway.
You actually have the advantage here because you do not have Sov - so you don't show on the map... So it is even more secure thatn with an alliance.
Corp members required = 1 (you)
Alliance required = 0
Ability to "park" the titan = yes
Ability to be the only one with access to it = yes
Ability to use a cap ship array = no
Retitle thread to "Why can only alliances use cap ship arrays" = good idea.
As to why only alliances have built a titan yet = sheer logistics and numbers required to build one is massive. Only the big alliances actually have the numbers required to pull it off - at this time.
So yes, atm you will only see the big, well established alliances making titans. Because only they can.
A few years ago only the big corps could build BS, then only the big corps could build Cap ships. Then only the...
BTW constuctive posts, or enquiries, aren't flames. Unless you can't handle them.
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Ja'kar
Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:17:00 -
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ok - why don't you just go away - but b4 u do
answer me this if u need sovern to park (dock) how are smaller corps gonna own a titan this seems a bit to much in favour of the allinces and the point is that eve should be player run - so players should be able to park titans in space without sovern
and ur boring me now - this is not me and ur b i t c h talking but open to everyone.
So please go and find something else to do. I wanted to discuss why u need sovern to own titans and not a 3 way argument
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Anatolius
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:22:00 -
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HOW I MINE FISH?!
Also, heaven forfend; there's actually content for groups of players in a massively multiplayer online game.
But the fact remains, if you can get the money, a single corporation or even an individual can own a titan.
Difficulty approaching insanity? Sure. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Titans reward groups of players working together, yet there's no artificial limits preventing single corporations or individuals from having one.
Sovereignty? Offer an existing alliance enough ISK, and you'll end up with a Titan. Is the cost high? Damned right. Should it be? Damned right.
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Ja'kar
Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:22:00 -
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A few years ago only the big corps could build BS, then only the big corps
I did not read all ur post as I don't want to but you really won with the above point
but you know just to point out the difference than u can post another very long and boring post.
wait for it.....
U can dock BS anyway - re-read U can dock BS anyway - so player base once they got into a bs could use it - dock it and move on - the titan can only be docked in sovern space- can u little mind see what I am getting at
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Ilea Celentay
Veiled Justice
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ja'kar
Stuff...
Maybe someone has already said, but if you could afford a Titan, which you have clearly said you cannot, but if you could, and then get the logistics together to build one, the defence to protect it and the skills to fly it, then surly, you can spare a billion is to create your own alliance and then not need to join another.
That said, if your point is that you want to build one without being in an alliance, well, that would defeat the point, just like Outposts, somethings in Eve ARE not designed for the "solo" corps/small corp, and rightly so...
Now where have I hidden my Titan fleet!?
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Sphynix
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:23:00 -
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It is relativly easy for a small corp to form an alliance.
Train empire managment (takes about 1 month, like i said earlier)
Pay 1 bil
Form an alliance with yourself - you do not need to "alliance" with another corp. Even if you did, just ally with an alt.
Five DTs later you can anchor your own "sov required" items.
Before you say that 1bil is to expensive, remeber that you are also saying that this corp can afford a titan - with is well over that 1bil mark.
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Ja'kar
Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:25:00 -
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Also, heaven forfend; there's actually content for groups of players in a massively multiplayer online game.
well look for a titan to be built you would need a group of players to build it so the multi player thing is still intact. As for solo use well maybe if they are brave enough, I think that there would still be support and lets face it if a player pirate corp (or any small corp) had a titan in a pos in 0.0 it would be a huge risk that the allince would not have (risk vs. reward).
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SlackJawedSlayer
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: SlackJawedSlayer on 08/03/2007 18:29:26
So this topic boild down to...
I want a Titan, but theyre awkward to build... unfair!!!
Ok so assume i got a Titan, they cant be stored safely without effort... unfair!!!
Ok so i have my place to store my Titan, and i have my Titan, but now a director has automagically stolen it... unfair!!!
Titan's are the absoloute bleeding edge of Eve. They are a double edged sword, giving you the power to strike down blobs but the risk of losing it all without support. It takes a heck of stuff to build one (as it should), it takes a heck of a lot of effort to defend it while it builds(as it should). At the end of the day, the sov needs of building it and storing it are just another requirement... suck it up.
The whole directors can steal titan's point is fair enough... but directors are meant to be people you can trust absoloutly. If you are worried about X stealing your titan, then dont make X a director, give him specific roles.
You dont see me whining that now i've got my Raven i should be able shoot people and insta dock, or warp without using stargates. Its a player run game alright, which is why you need some constraints so its fun and not just wandering round looking for the only remaining station that the 2 day old newbies in titans havent blown up.
Think of the sov needs a fair trade off for not needing to have freighters following your Titan around keeping fueled up, not having to bring it into a dock every 3 months for a complete overhaul, for not having a duct that leads right to the main reactor allowing it to be insta-popped by a single inty, not sucking your corpmates ships into its gravitational well and smashing them against it, not attracting the attention of Caldari navy and being exterminated.
Scratch that, last one would be fun to see.
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Ja'kar
Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 18:29:40
Sphynix
am not gonna respond to u anymore.
ok look to have sovern to be able to keep it as I understand it (and i dont have 0.0 space to have sovern) is that u need to keep feeding these pos. so in realty Small corps could have a pos with the right stuff and still be able maintain it.
whereby sovern would be too much hassle - and if it cost a bill well if they could a afford to buy a titan than yeah a bill is small change.
All am really saying is way make it sovern- - surly if ppl want to take a huge risk then they should be. I mean 0.0 is lawless. How cna you justify a small 0.0 in lawless space not being able to dock a titan sue to a law? surly they would just build/buy it and be done with it.
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Mog Carns
Industrial Warlords
United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:32:00 -
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You just want to find him and try to punch him sane, don't you?
How, exactly, is owning a titan going to improve your gold farming?
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Ja'kar
Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:33:00 -
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2 day old newbies in titans havent blown up.
That about sums up ur post...
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Sebastien LeReparteur
Minmatar
V.I.T.R.I.O.L.
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:33:00 -
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Well shortly taken I think the OP could just not state is own complain strait. Basically:
- Why does a corp/alliance need Sovern to do anything? This is an imposed CCP idea that actually makes no sens except to "Balance" alliance.
Personally I think sovernthingny should be an option for control freak alliances as it is a liability for more secretive ones.
But that goes in line with POS, why a moon, why not empty space?
All and all it is CCP's game and the way they design it is based on analysis and balancing. But you have to remember this is all seen form a point of view.
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Lady Kinla
World Order
The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ja'kar
ok - why don't you just go away
I think you need to stfu and go away. Can you not read? Or are you being stupid on purpose? I think you need to get someone else to read his post for you and then explain to you what it means.
Thank you.
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Sphynix
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:36:00 -
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Oh, so now i understand.
You want a small corp, one that can't survive in 0.0, to be able to build/buy/own a titan and use it.
To this effect you also want to be able to dock it in a station - because it is safe (because the corp couldn't survive in 0.0)
My only remaining question, which i hope you answer for everyone else at the least, is this:
What is this corp going to do with this titan?
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Ja'kar
Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:39:00 -
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Sebastien LeReparteur
not really what am saying m8 - yes alliances should get rewards and moon mining and all the rest of it (whatever they get) so lets say to BUILD a titan u need sovern but to own it and dock it u dont - like every other ship in eve (ok titan is a different sort of ship).
Just to give others a chance to work towards owning a titan, no point owning it if u can never dock it
and I read something about directors - if u own a titan then ulness ur in a one man corp there are gonna be others why not simply have no sovern (to dock) and the abilty to lock titans.
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Lady Kinla
World Order
The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Kinla on 08/03/2007 18:37:02
Which imo would further unbalance titans.
and i'm going afk for dinner so i won't be whoring this thread. 
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Ja'kar
Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:45:00 -
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Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 18:42:42
Sphynix
look a corp can survive in 0.0 - who's to say that an allaince would not mind a titan to be in their (without sovern) space and who knows what can be done with a titan. Maybe a smaller corp would use the titan as a base and move around a lot - maybe they rent it (and themselves) out to wars and as such need a tempory - safe pos to dock at - these are just some of the things that couild happen. I am am sure there are other's who could think of much better ways to use it
why u hating so much is too much for you that someone might have ways to use a titan, other than alliances. I don't hate allinces and they got the right to build and sell and make as much profit as they like but why they got to control who owns/docks titans
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Captain Jaikken
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ja'kar
Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 16:02:06
You cannot own on ewith having sovern on the space which is a too much for small corps or if your rich (and am not) to own one.
So then is it just for alliance ppl to own?
Also the hanger that holds them you cannot lock access so every director can get at it
It just seems really unfair to ppl thst might want to work towards one, and I think it woul dmake the game better of ppl could get at them, not just allainces.
I could be wrong on the above information but i don't think I am
Please no trolls or flames!
Translation: "It seems perfectly fair that many people working together can have more than a single individual, but it makes my e-peen feel smaller when other people have a bigger ship than mine so rather than doing what they did to get one i'm going to go cry on the forums untill titans replace the ibis as the new starter ship."
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Ja'kar
Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:50:00 -
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Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 18:48:36
Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 18:47:34
Translation: "It seems perfectly fair that many people working together can have more than a single individual, but it makes my e-peen feel smaller when other people have a bigger ship than mine so rather than doing what they did to get one i'm going to go cry on the forums untill titans replace the ibis as the new starter ship."
yet another usless trol
thanks for ur worthless comment - and sorry that I should use the forms to express a thought -
and I got no problem with ppl working together _ i like ppl working together - don't really see solo titans everywhere and further I am talking about GROUPS of ppl useing titans
You know what really kills me is that I would like to see these changes for other ppl I got no need or want (well maybe a little want) I am happy with dreads, but I would like to see others non-alliances get the chance to use titans. don't see how that is whining please explain how it is
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x racer
Black Omega Security
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.03.08 18:54:00 -
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Whats so tough about getting Sov? One small POS in one system in 0.0.....no big deal.
Theres plenty of 0.0 nobody has any interest in.
Is Sov really the issue here? Or is this a classic I been playing for 3 months and I want (fill in the blank here) NOW!
Yes, this was a rhetorical question, no reply is required.....
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Ja'kar
Merciless Dirty Scum Criminals
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Posted - 2007.03.08 19:04:00 -
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yah i am 3 months old - and yah flame - and yah i dont know how sovrn works - just what i was told and i wanted to share my thoughts with others in eve if u bothered to read the 1st page b4 the usless troll invaded (well they were in that page 2) some ppl had some positive thoughts on it.
Let me point out these are game fourms and ppl are allowed to *gasp* have a idea and talk about them and *gasp* some ppl might not know everything about the topic and by talking about may a) learn something and others who read it b) the topic may need talking about c) why is it some of u think u can control what ppl post with ur tolling stupid comments.
really for some of you really need to grow up (and thats not restricted to age).
So by all mean offer argument for and against (don't have to be long or short arguments). This is not a war of words or trying to show how brave you are with a keyboard.
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Captain Jaikken
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.08 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ja'kar
Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 18:48:36
Edited by: Ja''kar on 08/03/2007 18:47:34
Translation: "It seems perfectly fair that many people working together can have more than a single individual, but it makes my e-peen feel smaller when other people have a bigger ship than mine so rather than doing what they did to get one i'm going to go cry on the forums untill titans replace the ibis as the new starter ship."
yet another usless trol
thanks for ur worthless comment - and sorry that I should use the forms to express a thought -
and I got no problem with ppl working together _ i like ppl working together - don't really see solo titans everywhere and further I am talking about GROUPS of ppl useing titans
You know what really kills me is that I would like to see these changes for other ppl I got no need or want (well maybe a little want) I am happy with dreads, but I would like to see others non-alliances get the chance to use titans. don't see how that is whining please explain how it is
Because your corp has the means available to it to get a titan, but instead of doing it you'd rather complain for them to make it easier. That makes it whining. If you want a titan that bad then just convert to or join an alliance like everyone else. You are not special and nobody said you can have anything in the game without working for it. Your corp wants a titan? They can convert to an alliance and claim space like the rest of the titan owners. Thats what fair is.
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