The entire point is that you save 40mil on those Trimarks, Dmg Rigs cost 2mil each. You also save 14 mil using Duel Pulse instead of Megapulse as well.

You must of missed the part where I stated the Cookie Cutter Fit.

This is not about Cookie Cutter it is about cost. For slightly above the base cost of a Battlecruiser this is an effective Battleship Fit.

No I did not miss what you were saying about cost. I was referencing the effectiveness of the fit itself. Why save some money when what you are flying isn't effective.

Sure its cheaper, the reason those rigs are cheap are because there is a low demand for them since most PVP pilots recognize the importance of survivability over a few extra DPS. Situational fittings may use those rigs but for what the Geddon is primarily used for tank balances the DPS aspect well. This concept of saving money on fits and coming up with a fit that isn't effective to save cash is counter productive.

I think of it like skill points to fly a ship, if you do not have the necessary SP's to properly fly the ship don't get into it yet. Same goes for fitting one, if you cannot afford the correct mods/rigs then just wait a bit longer until you can. Cookie cutter fits are categorized as such for the simple reason that they work well and a majority of ppl use them.

Also I never even commented on using mega pulses on the Geddon, i use duels myself since they have good dps and I have two large neuts on my Geddons. Before you try and correct people be sure to check what they actually said.

It is effective. It has good DPS, a strong tank and great range. Your confusing effective with optimal.


Your talking about 28k EHP like it makes a world of difference. The 110k EHP is just fine as is it's DPS and Range. In fact they are exceptional for the cost, The Geddon gets more DPS, Range and Tank then an average Tier 2 Battlecruiser which is this fits primary target. It does its job well. Effectively you might say and it does it on the cheap.

You think wrong then. I am willing to loose 15% performance at 50% the cost of your fit. I will fly it. If I feel that I am in a situation where a bulkier fit is required I will make that fit and be able to afford it just fine. But my Battlcruiser Cost Fit that Pwns Battlecruisers works fine.

If I want a Battleship that works and I decide I don't want to spend as much to make it I will. The numbers are good on this ship.

I said Megapulse because they are optimal not because you said it. Megapulse Geddon is the Optimal or Cookie Cutter Fit for fleet fights. Whilst Duel Pulse is often used when Heavy Neuts are needed.

lol Way to backpedal. I would love to find you floating around in one of your cost effective ships. Would be a laughable KM. You enjoy pulling quotes more than reviewing your text and replies it seems.

The bottom line is those rigs on a Geddon are not optimal nor are they favorable, and 28k EHP does make a world of difference when you are trying to survive long enough to kill a target. What good is a little more dps if you are not around to project it onto target?

When you start flying ships larger than a cruiser and actually fit that Geddon up you will see what im talking about. If i am wrong and you have KM's to prove you have flown that fit effectively please post, otherwise stick to what you actually know, not what you can EFT/assume would be good. My original replies were not directed as a negative rather a suggestion but you have turned this into a back and forth which unfortunately has pulled away from the OP.

Then again I always say fly whatever you want and have fun.

Someone above posted about a Rattlesnake or Scorpion, one thing that I love to see is a BS trying to solo roam, 3 BC's show up with some neuting power and very quickly most BS's will fall. In PVP i've learned a few things: where theres 1 target there are bound to be more waiting, expect neuts to be used against you, and never solo in a BS!!

Someone above posted about a Rattlesnake or Scorpion, one thing that I love to see is a BS trying to solo roam, 3 BC's show up with some neuting power and very quickly most BS's will fall. In PVP i've learned a few things: where theres 1 target there are bound to be more waiting, expect neuts to be used against you, and never solo in a BS!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X4rMSL5A6M

never ever.

Mainly true. I only threw it in their since BS fits were being thrown around and I had heard awhile ago that people have had some sort of solo success with a scorp.

Unless you are flying a ship that is almost impossible to catch (and even then you'll only be killing idiots and frigs at best) solo work is a roll of the dice. You finally find a favorable 1on1 or 1on2 only to have, as you said, a falcon show up or local blow up.

However sometimes there just isn't anyone on and you don't give a **** and go out solo anyway and it can be fun even if it's not the smartest thing to do.

I solo in a Raven (no gang bonuses, etc) sometimes - especially if I can find a bunch of BCs camping a high sec entrance. They generally are not prepared for 1400 DPS and full tackle coming down on them. The Navy Scorp can do the same thing but has a way bigger tank. I've lost a few that way, but I can normally take on camps of 3-5 people by myself as long as they don't come out with logis or a Falcon.

-Liang

Thats awesome. I'd love to do that but in a new area and not sure how solo friendly it is. I'll probably rock the drake solo a bit to test it out. Last area we were in was surprisingly generous on that front. I'd blind roam in circles 30+ jumps and usually come back safe (though this was late at night when not many people were on).

Mind giving me your solo raven fit? I have perfect torp skills that's been going to waste for a long time. My issue when trying to fit one though is getting decent tackle on it with DPS/tank TP and all the rest.

P.S. I am laughing at the guy who fits two Heavy Neuts on his Geddon. Have a look at his fit and guess if you can figure out his playstyle..

Ghetto-Geddon (no trimarks, gun rigs) is really cost effective compared to trimarking it - most of the time you'll die is due to ECM or Logi where the extra EHP pays no difference.

A nano Drake is also quite nice, easily the best nano Battlecruiser due to how versatile it is - you can take on a gang of 10-15 and walk away with kill or two. Artillery Hurricane or Shield Harbinger is generally better at killing tacklers, but the Drake is much better if you need to tailor due to the situation at had.

P.S. I am laughing at the guy who fits two Heavy Neuts on his Geddon. Have a look at his fit and guess if you can figure out his playstyle..

Laugh all you want but against an Active tanked ship it does very well. I brought that out since the BC's in the system that were trying to kill the to BS's in the mail needed a way to dial down the guns on the Mega and break his tank. Was working wonders till the Phoon showed up, that and the Mega was slaved lol.

As for my playstyle... high sec war deck corps like mine are going after mission runners. So if you understand how that works kiddo you would understand the fit. Neutralize the active tank/hardeners and win the fight. Plus any ship using cap for weapons drops fast when two large neuts are on em. After that its a quick kill for me. Even outside of high sec normal PvP neuts are very effective. Look at my entire killboard, yes I have lost some ships but I have also had more success then failure. So knock my style all you want but its working for me.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14245502

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14415836

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=14344419

Use a Typhoon - you don't sacrifice DPS for the neuts. Also, in most situations by simply picking the correct damage type to deal, you can break through their tank with little to no trouble.

As for dealing with active tanked ships in general, when you're in a gang vs a single target, they work well (obviously). But the OP is not talking about gang vs solo, he's talking about solo vs gang. There is a pretty huge difference between the two so until you experience it, you won't know what I'm talking about.

You live in high sec correct?

I know you're going to crucify me, but a shield gank nano Armageddon actually works way better than you might think. I've got a friend that flies them and while I may not agree with the fit its undeniably very effective. I've seen him engage (and win) at 3v20 odds including them having caps on the field.

I'm not sure if this has more to do with him being ******* ballsy as hell or the ffitting being really good.

-Liang