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Lilan Kahn
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.03.08 21:38:00 -
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Funny how they stoped privat auction to ppl but not corperations.
 Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2007.03.08 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
First of all, where does it state that you can cancel it?
It doesn't. You made an assumption, and bet a huge amount of money on that assumption.
But, on top of this, if you give it a microsecond of thought it's obvious that you aren't going to be able to cancel it because it is a contract, the point of which is to accept the risk of your item selling for near your minimum price, with the possible reward of it selling for a much higer price. Being able to cancel it would remove the risk, and thus is always going to be impossible.
Its a fair assumption to make, given that you CAN cancel other forms of contract, such as an Item Exchange.
The point is, this is getting someone on a technicality of which they may simply not be aware - that this is a type of contract you cannot cancel, but ONLY when someone has made a bid against it. Its a fairly complex system - I wasnt aware of these details until it was too late.
I don't really think its appropriate that getting someone on a technicality is not considered an exploit. It sure is not gameplay.
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Jarjar
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.03.08 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Funny how they stoped privat auction to ppl but not corperations.
... Why?
There's no use for a one-man auction, he'll place one bid and that's it.
Corporation auctions do have legitimate uses, however.
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2007.03.08 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jarjar
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Funny how they stoped privat auction to ppl but not corperations.
... Why?
There's no use for a one-man auction, he'll place one bid and that's it.
Corporation auctions do have legitimate uses, however.
Do tell, if i whanted to make a auction to my corp id just tab my corperation.
So 1 man corps or 3 man corps wil be the new scamer way its gonna get changed soonÖ like private auctions to induviduals are. due to number of petisons and general whine abut.
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.03.08 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Manufacture
Originally by: Crumplecorn
First of all, where does it state that you can cancel it?
It doesn't. You made an assumption, and bet a huge amount of money on that assumption.
But, on top of this, if you give it a microsecond of thought it's obvious that you aren't going to be able to cancel it because it is a contract, the point of which is to accept the risk of your item selling for near your minimum price, with the possible reward of it selling for a much higer price. Being able to cancel it would remove the risk, and thus is always going to be impossible.
Its a fair assumption to make, given that you CAN cancel other forms of contract, such as an Item Exchange.
The point is, this is getting someone on a technicality of which they may simply not be aware - that this is a type of contract you cannot cancel, but ONLY when someone has made a bid against it. Its a fairly complex system - I wasnt aware of these details until it was too late.
I don't really think its appropriate that getting someone on a technicality is not considered an exploit. It sure is not gameplay.
An item exchange cannot be cancelled once it is accepted. An auction is accepted once someone places a bid. So, the behvaiour is the same.
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Ace101
Dark Knights of Deneb
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.08 21:50:00 -
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lol, look where your loud local mouth got you butterpeen
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Liabrath
Gallente
Argent Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.08 21:51:00 -
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Haha,
It's always funny having people who don't know what an auction (with starting bid as reserve) works, and then crying and going to quit the game. I'd say give me your stuff, but obviously someone else is getting it already.
Good Luck with your next game.
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2007.03.08 21:52:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Manufacture on 08/03/2007 21:50:14
oh, its fine, really - it's not my money and i actually stopped playing about 3 months ago (might start again casually soon-ish)
its the shareholders in my old ISS project I feel sorry for, this was their refund!
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Illyria Ambri
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.08 21:53:00 -
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Its a simple solution.. when you decide to sell the scammer something for buyout price..
Minamum bid should ALWAYS been buyout price or .01isk less
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2007.03.08 21:53:00 -
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Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 08/03/2007 21:51:16
I cannot believe how stupid people are.
People have whined and whined for an hardwired auction system that cannot be cancelled. People wanted to know that when they bid on something, that the seller cannot just say "lolz reserve 100b" or just "rofl pricecheck" and waste everyones time. The auction system is useless for a 100 different reasons, but the one good thing about it is that you cannot cancel it. After all, the buyer cannot retract his bid either. So when you bid you know that
a)you will get the item
b)someone will bid more
This is the very damn point of an ingame auction system. Whats the point of an ingame auction system that can be cancelled?
Now for your problem: This is an exploit. Of your ignorance.
If you fit lasers on your dominix because you didnt take the time to read up on game mechanics, then get ganked by t1 frigates, would you whine on the forums?
By the way, sometimes GMs do cancel those auctions. Everyone is equal, but some are more equal then others, after all...
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Lord MooMoo
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Posted - 2007.03.08 22:01:00 -
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Dumbass. Did you not see the "item exchange" option?
(Yes, you can claim these from anywhere.)
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2007.03.08 22:03:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Lord MooMoo
Dumbass. Did you not see the "item exchange" option?
(Yes, you can claim these from anywhere.)
Of course, despite not playing for three months I had a full and complete knowledge of every nuance of the contract system, which is quite clearly intuitive and faultless by design.
How could I have been so very, very stupid. Naughty me.
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crazy bear
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Posted - 2007.03.08 22:05:00 -
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thank you, come again.
scamming is fun, but emo tears make it so much better. |
Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.03.08 22:06:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Mr Manufacture
Originally by: Lord MooMoo
Dumbass. Did you not see the "item exchange" option?
(Yes, you can claim these from anywhere.)
Of course, despite not playing for three months I had a full and complete knowledge of every nuance of the contract system, which is quite clearly intuitive and faultless by design.
How could I have been so very, very stupid. Naughty me.
Not knowing about the contract system - free
Trading a hugely valuable item using the system anyway - priceless
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Manas
The Graduates
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.03.08 22:10:00 -
[45]
Yes, more tiresome metagaming is just what Eve needs..
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2007.03.08 22:11:00 -
[46]
Originally by: crazy bear
thank you, come again.
scamming is fun, but emo tears make it so much better.
well, its more a question than anything - or a debate, even
I mean, I'm genuinely suprised its not an exploit. Thats it really.
enjoy the BPO
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Karash Amerius
Amarr
O.E.C
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Posted - 2007.03.08 22:13:00 -
[47]
You cannot cancel auctions as it is a form of escrow.
clear now?
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sharkyballs
Amarr
Dkiller Delta Force Corp.
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Posted - 2007.03.08 22:21:00 -
[48]
i trully do feel for you. letting a complete stranger tell you what to do with a sell concerning 10bn? when you buy dinner at the reasterant, do you let the waiter order for you only to find he's given you a 4000isk bill to pay? btw, i've got a bridge i'd like to sell you as well. were you desperate?
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.08 22:21:00 -
[49]
Does there exist any auction system in the world where you can cancel the auction after a bid has been made, and you have no reserve?
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Harald Hauler
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Posted - 2007.03.08 22:25:00 -
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same thing happend to me with the very same guy.
however i lost way less money.
i searched for long time and found no hint that you cannot
close an auction with a bid on it.
i even open one and closed it immediatelly without any bids.
so i thought i could close it later as well.
i was wrong. after that scam i searched again and again and still found no hint
that you cannot close an auction with a bid on it.
Mr Manufacture is absolutly right IMHO. if there is no hint for
things one cannot be considered to know, it's an exploit.
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Sphynx Stormlord
Gallente
Anqara Expeditions
The OSS
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Posted - 2007.03.08 22:29:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Hllaxiu
Does there exist any auction system in the world where you can cancel the auction after a bid has been made, and you have no reserve?
Yes - auctioning things on the forums in eve-online. Just an easy example, I'm sure there are others.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.03.08 22:31:00 -
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You know what ****es me off?
This guy had somethin worth 10 billion isk and he falls for auction scams.
I ain't never seen a billion and I'd never go setting up a starting bid that low. Darwinism nerfed him, but where's my boost? Don't answer that.
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Mr Manufacture
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Posted - 2007.03.08 22:34:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Harald Hauler
same thing happend to me with the very same guy.
however i lost way less money.
i searched for long time and found no hint that you cannot
close an auction with a bid on it.
i even open one and closed it immediatelly without any bids.
so i thought i could close it later as well.
i was wrong. after that scam i searched again and again and still found no hint
that you cannot close an auction with a bid on it.
Mr Manufacture is absolutly right IMHO. if there is no hint for
things one cannot be considered to know, it's an exploit.
This is my point really, with no hint that you cannot cancel (even though you can cancel some forms of contract) its wide open for exploiting
whatever though, its a game, and one i havent played for several months... i dont care too much but this loophole does need closing!
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Chrumz
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Posted - 2007.03.08 23:13:00 -
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Man, as many people have allready stated, why in the world did you let a complete stranger tell you what to do when you did not know how the contract system works. It is only common sense that you would not be able to cancel the auction once someone had put a bid on it. The fact that you did not know this is not a exploit. Now what he did was not nice at all, but was completely legal and fair in game. It is not up to CCP to make sure that you know how to use the in game features, and once again not knowing them is not a exploit, it's just ignorance. I am glad that I handle all of my finances and do not let people like you handle them. BTW: do you have any more tech 2 bpo's you would like to sell? 
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Nobler
Caldari
Messerschmitt Shipyards
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.08 23:41:00 -
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I bet he kicked the **** out of something. 
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.03.08 23:52:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Harald Hauler
same thing happend to me with the very same guy.
however i lost way less money.
i searched for long time and found no hint that you cannot
close an auction with a bid on it.
i even open one and closed it immediatelly without any bids.
so i thought i could close it later as well.
i was wrong. after that scam i searched again and again and still found no hint
that you cannot close an auction with a bid on it.
Mr Manufacture is absolutly right IMHO. if there is no hint for
things one cannot be considered to know, it's an exploit.
No, because this is not an Eve thing. Auctions cannot be retracted once there is a bid.
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Larusonyc Dleif
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Posted - 2007.03.09 00:15:00 -
[57]
I used to think scammers were the worst form of life in Eve, then I read this. It couldn't have happened to a nicer guy LOL.
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Billy Sastard
Amarr
Life. Universe. Everything.
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.03.09 00:18:00 -
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All I see in this thread is that the OP lost @ EVE and is a sore loser.
EVE IS MEAN, NEVER EVER EVER EVER TRUST SOMEONE YOU DO NOT KNOW, AND EVEN IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE, DON'T TRUST THEM EITHER!
CCP is comprised of greifers from UO, they made EVE to be a greifers sandbox. Adapt and survive.
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Lurtz
Caldari
Gunrunners and Gamblers
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Posted - 2007.03.09 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Manufacture
Originally by: Crumplecorn
First of all, where does it state that you can cancel it?
It doesn't. You made an assumption, and bet a huge amount of money on that assumption.
But, on top of this, if you give it a microsecond of thought it's obvious that you aren't going to be able to cancel it because it is a contract, the point of which is to accept the risk of your item selling for near your minimum price, with the possible reward of it selling for a much higer price. Being able to cancel it would remove the risk, and thus is always going to be impossible.
Its a fair assumption to make, given that you CAN cancel other forms of contract, such as an Item Exchange.
The point is, this is getting someone on a technicality of which they may simply not be aware - that this is a type of contract you cannot cancel, but ONLY when someone has made a bid against it. Its a fairly complex system - I wasnt aware of these details until it was too late.
I don't really think its appropriate that getting someone on a technicality is not considered an exploit. It sure is not gameplay.
You can only cancel other contracts up till the point when someone else interacts with it.
SAME HERE.
Once they look at and accept your item exchange you cannot cancel it.
Once someone accepts your courier you cannot cancel it.
Once someone bids on your auction, you cannot cancel it.
Players may not be aware that Warp disrupters can keep them from running away, this doesn't make it an exploit to use them against them.
As has been said it isn't an technicality. Further your thought on it won't change it.
I HATE scammers, but at the same time, I have no pity for people that let themselves be scammed.
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sartorii
Genco
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.09 00:25:00 -
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"to bad ignorance isn't painful"
I love it when former hostiles fall prey to their own stupidity. whyTF would anyone do that in the first place.. you are asking to get kicked
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