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Johnny ReeRee
The ReeRee Brigade
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Posted - 2007.03.10 22:18:00 -
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It's not an exploit, it's just stupid design. Contracts suck. They're confusing, limited, and leave most users unclear about what's happening when -- which is the essence of bad design. People making bad decisions when it's clear what's happening is one thing -- this is something else. I'm sure it's working more or less as intended, but the user-interface design blows chunks. It's just bad software design.
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Halkin
Locus Solus
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Posted - 2007.03.10 22:38:00 -
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 feck, i agree its lame but thats a lot of isk
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.03.10 22:46:00 -
[153]
 Originally by: Angellyne
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Harald Hauler
same thing happend to me with the very same guy.
however i lost way less money.
i searched for long time and found no hint that you cannot
close an auction with a bid on it.
i even open one and closed it immediatelly without any bids.
so i thought i could close it later as well.
i was wrong. after that scam i searched again and again and still found no hint
that you cannot close an auction with a bid on it.
Mr Manufacture is absolutly right IMHO. if there is no hint for
things one cannot be considered to know, it's an exploit.
No, because this is not an Eve thing. Auctions cannot be retracted once there is a bid.
It's entirely an "Eve thing", beaause auctions by definition cannot be limited to a single bidder, else they're not called "auctions".
If CCP adds the ability to limit an auction to one person, they can just as easily add a Cancel button.
You can't create an auction for one person. You can however set it for a corp which may very well just be a 1-man corp.
That's not a quirk of the game. That's a quirk of the moron playing the game.
Not being able to cancel is not an Eve-specific limit. You are right that an auction to one person is non-sensical. If only the average noobtard would realise this, this scam would not work.
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Kumu Honua
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Posted - 2007.03.10 23:15:00 -
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Like Dennis Leary said about warnings (On cigarettes.)
You could make them come in a black package with a skull and crossbones, and call them TUMORS, and people will line up around the block to get them.
Warnings are useless. Hardly anyone reads them, and even less pay attention to what they actually say.
Auctions are fine. They have a use. Personal auctions are just silly, but I can see some silly limited use for those as well.
The moral of the story is: Use nothing but item exchange contracts and public auctions while treating each and every other form of contract as a scam and your life will be easy and scam limited.
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Jak Silverheart
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Posted - 2007.03.11 02:03:00 -
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I have to say this.
Dude that Scammer just ninja'ed that Carebare's wallet!!
(smilly faces to get people attention, sorry)
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Luc Guerrier
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.03.11 04:12:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Mr Manufacture
Originally by: Roemy Schneider
stuff
So asking for some text, somewhere, or a pop-up box explaining that auctions cannot be cancelled once bid against is simply too much to ask?
Forum whoring should not be a requirement of preventing yourself falling foul to sloppy game mechanics.
Eve minimal system requirements:
- OS: Windows« System 2000 SP2 /XP
- CPU: Intel Pentium« III 800 MHz or AMD Athlon 800 MHz
- RAM: 512 MB or more
- HD space: 6.0 GB
- Network: 56k modem or better Internet connection
- Video: 32 MB 3D graphics card with Hardware Transform and Lighting, such as NVIDIA« GeForceÖ 2 class card or above
- Drivers: DirectX« 9.0c (included) and latest video drivers
- IQ: above 30
- Common sense: just a little bit
- Naivete: a little less than average
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.03.11 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: Johnny ReeRee
It's not an exploit, it's just stupid design. Contracts suck. They're confusing, limited, and leave most users unclear about what's happening when -- which is the essence of bad design. People making bad decisions when it's clear what's happening is one thing -- this is something else. I'm sure it's working more or less as intended, but the user-interface design blows chunks. It's just bad software design.
OMG SOMEONE CAN BID ON MY AUCTION AT LOWER THAN BUYOUT WTF DIDN'T SAY THIS IN THE MANUAL OMG STUPID DESIGN
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Sal Alo
Minmatar
Bounty Hunters Corporate of Eve
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Posted - 2007.03.11 05:52:00 -
[158]
Creating an auction just for one person with minimum x and maximum y makes should be considered one interface bug because it makes absolutely no sense and it should not be allowed!
Whoever is afraid of death dies every day. Whoever isn't, dies only once. |
Frances Ducoir
Academy of Decadence
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Posted - 2007.03.11 07:54:00 -
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Edited by: Frances Ducoir on 11/03/2007 07:52:39
i simply can not believe the op said HE DOESNT KNOW the contract system and sets up a contract for 10 bn nevertheless. how stupid can people be?
second stupidity: its an AUCTION... everybody with half the brainsize of a walnut would know that auctions could not be canceled if there is a bid on them.
its your fault. its not an exploit or design error. there should be no warning about it because its so clear how it works. get over it.
why the hell do you asume auctions should be cancelable? if they were cancelable setting up an auction would make absolutly no sense because the seller could easily cancel the auction if the bid is not going high enough at the end of the auction.
if you loose a 10 bn bpo this way you just did not deserve it.
and if you would have read the forums you would have known that it is a scam. so dont come and whine on the forums afterwards.
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Wankaz
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Posted - 2007.03.11 09:01:00 -
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has ccp said they will fix this?
someone earlier in this thread something about ccp stating that this was not intended, but its now a feature?
ccp spending too much time down south atm?
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.11 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Sal Alo
Creating an auction just for one person with minimum x and maximum y makes should be considered one interface bug because it makes absolutely no sense and it should not be allowed!
Good that it isn't possible then. You get an error message when you try that.
However, you can limit them on a corporation. In theory the game could check if that corp has only 1 member, but that wouldn't solve anything - scammer will then simply add an alt or two to that corp.
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2007.03.11 12:21:00 -
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Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 11/03/2007 12:21:52
According to recent devblogs, it will no longer be possible to restrict auctions to corporations outside of your alliance.
I think CCP is just fed up from all those petitions by ignorant, braindead carebears who wanted to cheat (avoiding taxes that are 'supposed' to be there -> cheat / avoiding regional limits that are 'supposed' to be there -> cheat) and got scammed in return.
If i convo you and tell you that when you "trash" an item, you suddenly get 2 of them, would you try it with your cerb BPO first? Why did anyone tried something very similar with the contract system then? Thats about as funny as the guy who got scammed with freeform contracts.
After much whining, i posted the ingame warning you get when you try to accept a freeform contract. It mentioned that you should never ever accept a freeform when you dont trust the issuer, and that its a known and obvious way to scam. Like ingame, noone bothered to read my post and continued to flame the OP for being braindead / flame the scammer for being 'scum'. No matter how many warnings you put in, people who fall for the auction scam will manage to lose their 'hard-earned' wealth.
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Pleasant Rat
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Posted - 2007.03.11 20:34:00 -
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jfc butterdog |
Admiral Feelgood
Even-Flow
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Posted - 2007.03.11 21:03:00 -
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Seriously what part of MINIMUM bid is so hard to understand. You tried to cheat on your taxes and got burned, get over it.
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Kam SingDu'k
Singularity.
The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.03.11 21:45:00 -
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Edited by: Kam SingDu''k on 11/03/2007 21:42:04
Had the same guy try to scam me the other month as well. No offence mate but if I was selling a bpo for 10bill I would have at least taken the liberty to do a background check on the guy. Thanks to Chribba, I did on eve-search and he was mentioned as a scammer numberous amount of times. This save me from loosing a 100mill isk mod.
Also, afaik, you can claim item exchanges from anywhere in the galaxy (correct?). Trust yourself, and not someone over the other side of the computer. This is the fundamental lesson in eve that everyone must learn. I guess for you it was a hugely expensive lesson. Put it into rl perspective. You auction out a nice antique with a buyout of $10,000, but only sell to one 'family', without a reserve and a starting bid of $1 or whatever it was, you think the family would rather pay the 10k or the 1$?
I agree that what crazy dog is doing is scamming but this is a whole part of eve that keeps people on their toes. He is probably funding his main from this type of scamming (and for 10bill a scam is a very ludacris was of making money). Although I doubt I will
ever enter scamming as to me it feels like cheating, you have to accept it as part of the diversity that is eve. NExt time just be smarter.
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Squirrrel
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.11 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Manufacture
So asking for some text, somewhere, or a pop-up box explaining that auctions cannot be cancelled once bid against is simply too much to ask?
Yeah. Same as asking you to actually engage your brain and think before making the contract.
Originally by: Mr Manufacture
Forum whoring should not be a requirement of preventing yourself falling foul to sloppy game mechanics.
Sloppy gameplay is more like it.
The "mechanics" are simple, even to many of those that haven't read all the knowledgebase information that is available.
Most of the time the only reason people fall for this kind of thing is down to their own greed to get the isk blinding them to the way contracts work.
I love irony.
Some you win, some you lose. You - my friend - just lost.
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.03.11 23:17:00 -
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Someone tried to do this to me. How can you not see straight through it?
If you setup an auction with no start bid hes just going to bid 1 isk.
How exactly do you fall for this?
Originally by: Ice Conch
In soviet russia, soap drops you!
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PauZotoh Zhaan
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Posted - 2007.03.13 04:17:00 -
[168]
conctracs sucks ppl, too bad CCP is supporting scams like this
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