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yaniv mk5	Posted - 2007.03.08 21:04:00 - [1] The Privateer Alliance are in war vs all (almost) of eve alliances. Most of the corp in the Alliance just joing them for a month or two for some quick action. Thay are using the war dec to attack ppl empire. In my opinion thay are pirates that have concord approval. The idea of War dec is if you have a competitor on resorce you can go to war , but Privateer declare war just for fun. If you wana attack them and thay see a gang in local and just dock the a station, there is no way to do tham any damage , and we (the 0.0 ppl) need emp (for POS Full and so...) but that don't need 0.0 if you want PVP go to 0.0 space do't attack everyone in empire!
Gone'Postal Minmatar LuthorCorp Combat Division	Posted - 2007.03.08 21:06:00 - [2] Another thread about them... -------------------------------------------- Welcome to the best slideshow on Earth!
Davlos Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.03.08 21:07:00 - [3] Or you could, y'know, stop crying and adapt? If you can't, this game isn't for you. ---------------
Montero Kemono.	Posted - 2007.03.08 21:07:00 - [4] hello f.uckwit. it isn't abuse, it's the correct use of a war dec. to DECLARE WAR on them. woah no ****. --------- Scrapheap Challenge
yaniv abo Gallente Tides of Silence	Posted - 2007.03.08 21:14:00 - [5] How does the Privateer Alliance different from pirates?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.08 21:14:00 - [6] Originally by: yaniv mk5 Privateer Alliance , are thay abusing war dec ? NO Phear the mighty h3 tag. - If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine.
Gort Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.08 21:25:00 - [7] Chances are, they are abusing the process. We see an ongoing pattern of individual corporations leaving, and I'm sure the same thing is happening on the input side, although notification is not given. If the alliance is simply acting as a "holding pen" for corps to come and go from the war, and then come back when they're ready again, that's probably not how it's supposed to be. On the other hand, most of these kinds of players think they're "the smartest guys in the room" so, meh. Life is full of pests, including Privateer Alliance. Gort sends Low-tech sig: "When in doubt, empty the magazine."
Montero Kemono.	Posted - 2007.03.08 21:25:00 - [8] Originally by: Montero hello snip. it isn't abuse, it's the correct use of a war dec. to DECLARE WAR on them. woah no ****. Please do not try to bypass the profanity filter. -Conuion Meow ([email protected]) It was an unfortunate typo :\ --------- Scrapheap Challenge
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.03.08 21:26:00 - [9] No. Its not abusing War Deccing Power Use your head a little. If someone declares war on everyone. Including the large alliances. Who do you think have most problems? EVE fellowship (ie all the wardecced) or the Privateers? The privateers ofcource. As a few of them truthfully have stated. Where you - the casual player - can see 1 or 2 enemies in empire a seldom time, the privateers see enemies everywhere and all the time!! Including members from way more dangerous alliances! Theoretically, its the privateers who are in deeeeep trouble. Not the single corp or alliance who have got wardecced. But this is the way they like it, and everything they have done afaik have been within rules of eula and within good fighting spirit. Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
yaniv abo Gallente Tides of Silence	Posted - 2007.03.08 21:31:00 - [10] --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you wana attack them and thay see a gang in local and just dock the a station! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And we are not going to emp to find a fight, we need stuff for 0.0!!!!!
Ras'lot Caldari Infinite Style Incorporated Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.08 21:31:00 - [11] Originally by: yaniv mk5 but Privateer declare war just for fun. For what reason are you playing then, you say war deccs are to be used for when you compete for a resorces, aren't that to some point what they are trying to do when killing players from the big alliances in the EvE-universe, cutting them of fron their resources you just destroyed by killing them.... Don't hold me to this, but don't they claim that there goal is to destory to big alliances in EvE, in which case i would see it as a noble goal since francly some of them, has just grown out of control. <SIG IS HERE!> I fight for the honor not for the price.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.08 21:34:00 - [12] Originally by: Gort If the alliance is simply acting as a "holding pen" for corps to come and go from the war, and then come back when they're ready again, that's probably not how it's supposed to be. It's certainly different, but rather than forcing everything to stay the same, the game should evolve. A proper backstory about empire right now would have to include Privateers as an alliance involved in extensive CONCORD corruption, who are allowed to attack huge numbers of people, an opportunity being taken advantage of by many corporations. Is smacking down this kind of emergent gameplay and player-written history what Eve is about? No. - If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine.
Moraguth Amarr Rangers	Posted - 2007.03.08 21:36:00 - [13] I can't wait till they make it so wars have a definable objective. So that a corp/alliance can win or lose. Right now, all their only purpose seems to be to kill w/o dealing with the long term consequences. I call em jackasses. They don't directly affect me, but I still don't like em. good game
yaniv abo Gallente Tides of Silence	Posted - 2007.03.08 21:36:00 - [14] Thay are at war vs 70+ Alliance , i don't think that all 70 of them are out of control.
Ashira Twilight	Posted - 2007.03.08 21:42:00 - [15] They're no different than mercenaries. Where do you think they get much of their war deck isk? ------------------------------- The opinions reflected in this post DO reflect the opinions of my corp...of one guy and a bunch of alts.
Asinia Au Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.03.08 21:45:00 - [16] I would like to illustrate a point, do not check my numbers, they are not intended to be accurate, only to make a point. With Privateers you have an alliance of 100 war deccing on 100 alliances of 100 each. It seems to me the Privateers are outnumbered by 100:1 and yet it is the ones they declare war on that seems to on the forums whining all the time. If I know anything about the Privateers I know this, they play their game to have fun! I am not much into that type of fun, but I can see where many people would think it great fun for someone as small as Privateers to cause so much panic as they are able to. And as long as the 100 war decced alliances flee as individuals you will continue to provide Privateers with their entertainment. Just like the mouse that can panic an elephant.
Aille Pluthrak Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.08 21:53:00 - [17] Originally by: yaniv mk5 The Privateer Alliance are in war vs all (almost) of eve alliances. Most of the corp in the Alliance just joing them for a month or two for some quick action. Thay are using the war dec to attack ppl empire. In my opinion thay are pirates that have concord approval. The idea of War dec is if you have a competitor on resorce you can go to war , but Privateer declare war just for fun. If you wana attack them and thay see a gang in local and just dock the a station, there is no way to do tham any damage , and we (the 0.0 ppl) need emp (for POS Full and so...) but that don't need 0.0 if you want PVP go to 0.0 space do't attack everyone in empire! This subject comes up at least once a week. Until CCP says it is a problem I am still going to blast any red target I feel like. I truly do not think Privateers war dec alliances for fun. Privateers are paid by others to blast people. The individual Privateer has to make a living in game just like everyone else does. The people who are Privateers just prefer to rip it out of the ships and/or pilot to mining, mission running, or market manipulation. I have always been told by others on the forums that 0.0 people were the "real" PvP people in game and can kick Privateer hiney 9 ways from Sunday. Am I wrong? Was I misinformed? I have to admit the 0.0 alliance people do know how to make a fleet when it comes to running through Empire. But I think those interdictor bubbles and gate bubbles have made em soft when it comes to Empire Wars. I got to admit that if the higher ups do change how they run the alliance and they do get organized and a majority of the people in the alliance stay then god help Empire. But I don't see this happening. ---------------------- Boom goes the ship! Squish goes the pilot!
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.03.08 21:58:00 - [18] Sad to say but empire war dec can be a griefing tool. War dec needs to be meaningful. CCP needs to make war decs expensive especially when it is an alliance war dec. Maybe 1B a week. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.03.08 21:59:00 - [19] The war deccing system was meant for one corp/alliance that has a particular grudge against another, to pursue them in empire and kill them. The way PA use it is not because they have a grudge against a particular alliance, it's to have targets they can shoot at. They want things to shoot at only for the fun and for the loot, and that, is the very definition of a "pirate". Since high-sec, where they are 99% of the time, was meant to be free of piracy, aside from the occasionnal suicide gank, their use of the war-dec system to do just that comes under the heading of deliberate use of flaw in game mechanics, and as such is an exploit. Originally by: Asinia Au With Privateers you have an alliance of 100 war deccing on 100 alliances of 100 each. It seems to me the Privateers are outnumbered by 100:1 and yet it is the ones they declare war on that seems to on the forums whining all the time. Most of their targeted population live in 0.0 and spend very little time in empire. And given the "run and dock" game most of PA is playing, or "leave alliance and come back later", which is on the corp-level the same exact thing, hunting PA is generally considered a total waste of time by those they declare war to... ------------------------------------------ Every ship has a base 60-70% resist against the primary damage type of the race that is the least able to vary it's damage types.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.08 22:02:00 - [20] Originally by: Shadowsword The war deccing system was meant for one corp/alliance that has a particular grudge against another, to pursue them in empire and kill them. The way PA use it is not because they have a grudge against a particular alliance, it's to have targets they can shoot at. They want things to shoot at only for the fun and for the loot, and that, is the very definition of a "pirate". Since high-sec, where they are 99% of the time, was meant to be free of piracy, aside from the occasionnal suicide gank, their use of the war-dec system to do just that comes under the heading of deliberate use of flaw in game mechanics, and as such is an exploit. Negative. See my previous post in this thread. - If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine.
3rdD Dave Gallente Dark Entropy Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.03.08 22:04:00 - [21] Originally by: yaniv mk5 The Privateer Alliance are in war vs all (almost) of eve alliances. Most of the corp in the Alliance just joing them for a month or two for some quick action. Thay are using the war dec to attack ppl empire. In my opinion thay are pirates that have concord approval. The idea of War dec is if you have a competitor on resorce you can go to war , but Privateer declare war just for fun. If you wana attack them and thay see a gang in local and just dock the a station, there is no way to do tham any damage , and we (the 0.0 ppl) need emp (for POS Full and so...) but that don't need 0.0 if you want PVP go to 0.0 space do't attack everyone in empire! WHO CARES ? As a collective they`re crap at PVP lol.
Asinia Au Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.03.08 22:10:00 - [22] Originally by: Shadowsword The war deccing system was meant for one corp/alliance that has a particular grudge against another, to pursue them in empire and kill them. The way PA use it is not because they have a grudge against a particular alliance, it's to have targets they can shoot at. They want things to shoot at only for the fun and for the loot, and that, is the very definition of a "pirate". Since high-sec, where they are 99% of the time, was meant to be free of piracy, aside from the occasionnal suicide gank, their use of the war-dec system to do just that comes under the heading of deliberate use of flaw in game mechanics, and as such is an exploit. Originally by: Asinia Au With Privateers you have an alliance of 100 war deccing on 100 alliances of 100 each. It seems to me the Privateers are outnumbered by 100:1 and yet it is the ones they declare war on that seems to on the forums whining all the time. Most of their targeted population live in 0.0 and spend very little time in empire. And given the "run and dock" game most of PA is playing, or "leave alliance and come back later", which is on the corp-level the same exact thing, hunting PA is generally considered a total waste of time by those they declare war to... In that case, it can be said taht they are still below the threshold of pain. If/when they rise above it something will be done, 0.0 alliances will band together, or whatever it takes to force Privateers back below the pain threshold. If there is this much whining now, one can only imagine the level once that threshold is crossed.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.03.08 22:21:00 - [23] They had 4 guys. FOUR WHOLE GUYS camping the Jita 4 4 lagfest station for two days. If they're at war with any alliance worth mentioning they'd be pwned out of there so fast... No. Nobody is doing squat about it so too bad. There's no loophole being abused. There's only carebear corps with poor organizational skills getting the smackdown. I ain't afraid of those b-----s and neither should you be, teddy. - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - - "186,282 miles per second; It's not just a good idea, it's the law."
Sir Dancealot	Posted - 2007.03.08 22:26:00 - [24] Why dont we make some more threads about this, so we're 100% sure wether its an exploit or not. Originally by: Aaron Static it almost started up. more hamster jokes
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said	Posted - 2007.03.08 22:52:00 - [25] Edited by: Galk on 08/03/2007 22:48:54 Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Use your head a little. If someone declares war on everyone. Including the large alliances. Who do you think have most problems? EVE fellowship (ie all the wardecced) or the Privateers? The privateers ofcource. Ok, cutting right to my point... it's fairly obvious you have never fought one of these empire wars where numbers against dwarf you many hundred to one. Anyone that ever has (self included) will tell you how easy it is.... it's exactly the opposite of how you've called it. You pick and choose everything, aslong as your not a complete idiot and fall for anything that could be baiting you.... it's virtualy imposable to lose a ship, if your patient and clever with it.... while racking up the kills. ______
Robacz Essence Trade Essence Enterprises	Posted - 2007.03.08 23:47:00 - [26] Originally by: yaniv mk5 The Privateer Alliance are in war vs all (almost) of eve alliances. Most of the corp in the Alliance just joing them for a month or two for some quick action. Thay are using the war dec to attack ppl empire. In my opinion thay are pirates that have concord approval. The idea of War dec is if you have a competitor on resorce you can go to war , but Privateer declare war just for fun. If you wana attack them and thay see a gang in local and just dock the a station, there is no way to do tham any damage , and we (the 0.0 ppl) need emp (for POS Full and so...) but that don't need 0.0 if you want PVP go to 0.0 space do't attack everyone in empire! They are not abusing the wardec system, they are just taking advantage of it being completly stupid. _________ Buying/Selling: Implants & Hardwirings Producing/BPCs: Mining Barges, T2 Components T2 Distribution: 8 regions covered
Ishquar Teh'Sainte Faaip De Oiad	Posted - 2007.03.08 23:51:00 - [27] "carebears" = will get shot in 0.0, won't get shot that often in hi-sec (they don't venture that often into 0.0 though) "0.0 people" = will get shot in 0.0, won't get shot that often in hi-sec (unless they are war-decced by privateers) "privateers" = will get shot in 0.0 as well as in hi-sec. now tell me - who's closer to the "'bears"? ___________________ -Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
Llannat Domina Amarr The Cursed Navy Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.03.09 00:00:00 - [28] I thought the exploit was the alliances that declare war and then cancel so they can get the 24 hours of fighting. Or the ones who don't pay the fee but still get that 24 hours of fighting. After Iraq, the US is hitting France, they are right next to each other...right?
heheheh	Posted - 2007.03.09 01:10:00 - [29] just another victim. CCP intented pplayers to fight everywhere.
Pukeko B.O.O.M	Posted - 2007.03.09 01:12:00 - [30] Our carebear lovin', rock-huggin' corp. was war decc'd by ebil piewats and bravely met them on the field of battle. Got our pods handed to us. Gave money to Privateers Alliance and ebil piewats get spanked. Nothing wrong with the Privateers; it cuts both ways.

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