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ghosttr Amarr The Silent Rage FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 01:29:00 - [31] I think there should be some way to stop wartargets from hiding in stations. Thats probably the only thing that is somewhat breaking of the whole concept of war. If they want to wage war thats fine but they shouldn't be able to hide behind an invincible npc barrier either. HELP FIX THE DRONE REGIONS!!!
Roue Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 02:56:00 - [32] Quoted straight from my bio Quote: "It's Human Season." To those who in Concord trust their lives, I give you this message. If you look away when they come for everyone else, who will remain to help when they come for you? Welcome citizen, to reality. Everyday thousands of pod pilots, the elite, travel through life ignorant of a terrible truth around them. AN intricate illusion that draws the masses into a blind faith in their own safety. Reality, cold and impassionately, dicatates that these "faithful" of the elite are but cattle. Indeed crops raised for a harvest. Their every action nurtured, their successes endorsed, as their sale value rises. How you might ask can this be? Security. A simple series of numbers affixed upon every system. A line drawn around the empires that supposedly distinguishes civility from lawlessness. Yet reality says this is a fence intended to keep in, and only protect the cattle from danger until they are for "Sale". You, the faithfully weak and reliant, are the cattle. Blindly believing to be protected when there is no more care or interest in your well being then livestock receives from a farmer. Everyday you thank him at the trough for your safe muddy pen and scraps while those around you are taken to the butcher without your care. Concord is your keeper, your farmer. It's mighty navy keeping the wolves at bay. Yet when his price is paid it's hunting season. Your lives are then prostitized for sport, and for a cheap price at that. All rights you expected? Disregarded. As long as your hunter pays his bills that is. You are now a commodity. Let this be a warning. You must prepare for the wolf or the hunter. Some abandon empire space for their own freedom in the wildlands. Others yet band together and take refuge in themselves and their brothers, forsaking concord. The choice is yours. Be prepared, your price is already named. All that remains is a willing buyer. if the "elite" remain ignorant, then for the future of the immortal, I will show them the truth. Your time will come. You are safe nowhere. -Roue This is my opinion not that of privateer corp, alliance, its member corps, affiliates, minions, pet animals, ex girlfriends, former roommates, 3rd grade gym teachers, late relatives, ontime relatives,
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.03.09 03:19:00 - [33] At first I was afraid I was petrified Thinking I could never live with CONCORD by my side But then I spent so many nights thinking how POSspam is wrong and I grew strong and I learned how to carebear on And now you're back from unsafe space I just jumped in to find you here in a big ganksquad with your mates I should have stayed in nulsec space I should have joined the NPC's If I had known for just one second You'd be hisec ganking me Go on now go end this damn war don't turn around now You don't belong here any more Weren't you the one who tried to hurt me with your smack D'you think I'll fight you? Instead of petitioning your hax? Oh no not I! I will survive! Oh as long as I know how to whine I know I'll stay alive 'Cos I demand my right to live and I have loads of whines to give I will survive I Will Survive! Hey hey! \o\ \|o\| /o/ /o/ \|o\| \o\ It took all the ISKs I had just to buy this ship Kept trying hard to grind away just to afford it and I spent oh so many nights just killing NPCs I used to cry Now I just whine left and right And you see me a carebear new I'm not that chained up little player stuck in BoB with you and so you want to gank a hauler and just expect it to be me Now I'm saving all my playtime For a game designed for me - If you go into your options menu, there's a difficulty slider. Put that all the way over to the easiest setting and you'll be fine.
Larkonis Trassler g guild	Posted - 2007.03.09 03:35:00 - [34] Decced by Privateers? OH NOES! Join the int channel 'PrivDeath' or something or other. Fit some stabs/nanos. Don't use Autopilot. Watch Local. Congratulations... you win against Privateers. Can we put this topic to bed please. ------------ Request for Privateer Sticky! Keep the forums clean!
Kylar Renpurs	Posted - 2007.03.09 04:16:00 - [35] Pfft,, abuse my left one. War decs are not abuse. It's making profit on the fact that 99% of people view hi sec as safe territory, and thus, send their haulers through unprotected, and belong to player-corps which are war declareable. If you don't want to be a victim of that, join an NPC corp and have a hauler character. I mean, serious, isn't it obvious that you wouldnt send a hauler through 0.0 unprotected? So why would you do it when you know war targets are in the area? Even then, i wouldnt trust hi sec suicide ganking.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2007.03.09 05:55:00 - [36] Alot of Privateers shoot you in empire even thou you don't have war against them .. and get CONCORDOKKED. Alot of Privateers also steal others lewt from others war. They do that because they can and .. well What I'm complaining about is that my corporation can only have THREE wars, not UNLIMITED. I demand equal rights to corporations too!! "Sadly this is the only game I've ever played that encourages and rewards people for being jerks and penalizes people that don't" -Forum Alt
Viliny Caldari principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.09 06:16:00 - [37] They are annoying, ill give you that... but other than that it's perfectly ok. I wish people would rise their threshold for stuff like this
Graharan	Posted - 2007.03.09 07:38:00 - [38] Undock below 0.5= consent to PvP Join corp/alliance = consent to politics Undock AND join corp=consent to PvP anyplace. Questions?
SFShootme The Carebear Stare Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 08:07:00 - [39] Edited by: SFShootme on 09/03/2007 08:04:04 Let's just start quote'ing shall we? Quote: If you wana attack them and thay see a gang in local and just dock the a station, there is no way to do tham any damage , and we (the 0.0 ppl) need emp (for POS Full and so...) but that don't need 0.0 Ur forgetting about all the wartargets that dock for us..... I yeah, u guys tend to dock way way waaaay more than we do, so far i have not had to dock for a big gang yet.... so yeah. Quote: How does the Privateer Alliance different from pirates? Is there a difference between piracy and pvp in 0.0? Quote: Chances are, they are abusing the process. We see an ongoing pattern of individual corporations leaving, and I'm sure the same thing is happening on the input side, although notification is not given. More false accusations 4tl! A corp cannot war dec somebody and then join a alliance. A corp must drop all their decced wars to be able to join an alliance.... Quote: Where you - the casual player - can see 1 or 2 enemies in empire a seldom time, the privateers see enemies everywhere and all the time!! Including members from way more dangerous alliances! Thank you for pointing that out Quote: If you wana attack them and thay see a gang in local and just dock the a station! And you don't happen to run when u see a privateer gang in local? Quote: Sad to say but empire war dec can be a griefing tool. War dec needs to be meaningful. CCP needs to make war dec expensive especially when it is an alliance war dec. Maybe 1B a week. The war decs go up to 200million isk per week bro, i wouldn't see much of a change there. Quote: Since high-sec, where they are 99% of the time, was meant to be free of piracy, aside from the occasionnal suicide gank, their use of the war-dec system to do just that comes under the heading of deliberate use of flaw in game mechanics, and as such is an exploit. .. \ Oh noes! Haxploits!!!111oneoneoenoene. No but really, use ur brains be4 u start rambling. The war deccing system is made to blow stuff up in empire. And that's what we are using it for. Quote: In that case, it can be said taht they are still below the threshold of pain. If/when they rise above it something will be done, 0.0 alliances will band together, or whatever it takes to force Privateers back below the pain threshold. yah! more targets... Quote: They had 4 guys. FOUR WHOLE GUYS camping the Jita 4 4 lagfest station for two days. If they're at war with any alliance worth mentioning they'd be pwned out of there so fast... Bob, (former) ascn, LV, need i say more? Quote: . Nobody is doing squat about it so too bad. There's no loophole being abused. There's only carebear corps with poor organizational skills getting the smackdown. I ain't afraid of those b-----s and neither should you be, teddy. We do happen to war-dec the more "leet" squads out there bro. And no, we're hardly in war with small stuff since they don't give alot of targets. Quote: thought the exploit was the alliances that declare war and then cancel so they can get the 24 hours of fighting. Or the ones who don't pay the fee but still get that 24 hours of fighting. It takes 24h before a war to go in effect, shame on that accusation bro. Quote: I think there should be some way to stop wartargets from hiding in stations. Thats probably the only thing that is somewhat breaking of the whole concept of war. If they want to wage war thats fine but they shouldn't be able to hide behind an invincible npc barrier either Awsome, that would give me about 50 kills more per day -------- Above is my opinion and not of any 3rd partys and/or the privateer alliance. Tho shall give Life, for Life.
Zaqar	Posted - 2007.03.09 08:59:00 - [40] troll thread
Plasticine Perfection	Posted - 2007.03.09 09:16:00 - [41] Originally by: Crumplecorn At first I was afraid I was petrified Thinking I could never live with CONCORD by my side But then I spent so many nights thinking how POSspam is wrong and I grew strong and I learned how to carebear on And now you're back from unsafe space I just jumped in to find you here in a big ganksquad with your mates I should have stayed in nulsec space I should have joined the NPC's If I had known for just one second You'd be hisec ganking me Go on now go end this damn war don't turn around now You don't belong here any more Weren't you the one who tried to hurt me with your smack D'you think I'll fight you? Instead of petitioning your hax? Oh no not I! I will survive! Oh as long as I know how to whine I know I'll stay alive 'Cos I demand my right to live and I have loads of whines to give I will survive I Will Survive! Hey hey! \o\ \|o\| /o/ /o/ \|o\| \o\ It took all the ISKs I had just to buy this ship Kept trying hard to grind away just to afford it and I spent oh so many nights just killing NPCs I used to cry Now I just whine left and right And you see me a carebear new I'm not that chained up little player stuck in BoB with you and so you want to gank a hauler and just expect it to be me Now I'm saving all my playtime For a game designed for me ROFL. Crumplecorn I often disagree with your posts, your outlook and generally dislike the things you say on these forums, but that post wins the forums this month As for Privateers, well, I used to think they were lame griefers and cowards but after reading a LOT of discussion about them, after talking with some of them and after watching them in action in several areas I've come to like them a lot. I've changed my mind about Privateers - I think they're great and I also think they serve a useful purpose in EVE, they teach players how to fight back. If you can't learn to fight back then EVE's the wrong game for you.
Pinky Denmark	Posted - 2007.03.09 09:32:00 - [42] I think they are abusing the system a little, and a few people in the alliance are cowards stationcamping Jita etc. etc. but in the great whole I think most of them are having fun in small gangs getting some fun action in empire (if it wasn't for the lag at least). The issue with the wardeccing is because Privateers doesn't wage war in a conventional way by actually fighting against the opposition... They ARE paying isk to more or less be able to pod a lot of people without efforts in hi-sec, but thats how it works atm. So far it's just part of the game - it IS however very difficult to actually fight against them as they are quick to hide or blob you out... Thats because a few of them are cowards but mostly because they are experienced and know how to survive.
Aelita Minmatar 47R Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 09:58:00 - [43] Originally by: Pinky Denmark I think they are abusing the system a little, and a few people in the alliance are cowards stationcamping Jita etc. etc. but in the great whole I think most of them are having fun in small gangs getting some fun action in empire (if it wasn't for the lag at least). The issue with the wardeccing is because Privateers doesn't wage war in a conventional way by actually fighting against the opposition... They ARE paying isk to more or less be able to pod a lot of people without efforts in hi-sec, but thats how it works atm. So far it's just part of the game - it IS however very difficult to actually fight against them as they are quick to hide or blob you out... Thats because a few of them are cowards but mostly because they are experienced and know how to survive. Pod a lot of people without effort in hi-sec? LOL what a truth! In fact in 0.0 for me is far easier to find and kill than in crowded empire. I want to try Privs just to taste empire wars, because we were never wardeced and if yes noone want to come to our 0.0 corner and I'm back in sec system after three years constant living in 0.0. So what exploit? It's fair game if I wardec you take your guns and shoot me out of sky, that's all. Come and get piece of me if you can.
Pinky Denmark	Posted - 2007.03.09 10:11:00 - [44] Don't take it out on me Always fun to try something new...
Jenavian Charto	Posted - 2007.03.09 10:23:00 - [45] Privateering looks fun. Where do I sign up? -------------- Bart: I am through with working. Working is for chumps. Homer: Son, I'm proud of you! I was twice your age when I figured that out.
Dravin Dread	Posted - 2007.03.09 10:38:00 - [46] PA is just a bunch of griefers, nothing more or less complicated than that.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 11:08:00 - [47] Privateers are mostly an anoyance. For example when i need to go to empire to buy a skill book or just graba a module I can't find in 0.0. When even the best 0.0 pvper is alone. it will be in trouble if caught in a camp of 4 or 5 Privateers ships. What is the result? We have to work on aan anyoing way that everytime we go to empire we do it in groups. Of course privateers are not stupid and when theysee an alliance fleet of 30 ships they all hide. We get a bid mad because its a hell lot of work and we never get any pew pew when we are in reasonabel chances (most of times they do not engage any group bigger than 2 ships even if they are in numerical advantage). I really think wars should require some type of objective. And that after droped war needed at least 1 week to be restarted. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Malcanis Galactech Industries Ltd. Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 11:11:00 - [48] Originally by: yaniv mk5 The Privateer Alliance are in war vs all (almost) of eve alliances. Most of the corp in the Alliance just joing them for a month or two for some quick action. Thay are using the war dec to attack ppl empire. In my opinion thay are pirates that have concord approval. The idea of War dec is if you have a competitor on resorce you can go to war , but Privateer declare war just for fun. If you wana attack them and thay see a gang in local and just dock the a station, there is no way to do tham any damage , and we (the 0.0 ppl) need emp (for POS Full and so...) but that don't need 0.0 if you want PVP go to 0.0 space do't attack everyone in empire! Doing stuff "just for fun" eh? In a GAME? Wierd, just wierd. Privateers (Just what the hell does that word mean anyway, you nasty concord-bribing pirates, you), you are WIERD!
Awox Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.09 11:14:00 - [49] Originally by: yaniv abo --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you wana attack them and thay see a gang in local and just dock the a station! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And we are not going to emp to find a fight, we need stuff for 0.0!!!!! Yeah because you stay and fight against the odds always.
Fenderson OLE Mining Corp Miners With Attitude	Posted - 2007.03.09 11:16:00 - [50] oh how i wish people would have the decency to search the forums for the pre-existing threads on this kind of crap before starting new ones. and to the OP: GET OVER IT OR FIND A NEW GAME FFS if its within game mechanics, its not abuse. just because you dont like something doesnt mean you get to cry HAXPLOIT! sigs are for the weak
Awox Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.09 11:35:00 - [51] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Privateers are mostly an anoyance. For example when i need to go to empire to buy a skill book or just graba a module I can't find in 0.0. Originally by: Kagura Nikon When even the best 0.0 pvper is alone. it will be in trouble if caught in a camp of 4 or 5 Privateers ships. Are you implying that Privateers are not of "0.0 Pvper" quality? That's quite funny coming from FREGE alliance. Originally by: Kagura Nikon What is the result? We have to work on aan anyoing way that everytime we go to empire we do it in groups. Of course privateers are not stupid and when theysee an alliance fleet of 30 ships they all hide. Oh really. You think it's silly that a hauler full of valuables should be escorted through empire? Here's a hint, in RL, people get robbed all the time. This is just the way criminals operate in EVE. Since they are in proper corps you can get revenge on them, if you are actually smart enough of course. Originally by: Kagura Nikon We get a bid mad because its a hell lot of work and we never get any pew pew when we are in reasonabel chances (most of times they do not engage any group bigger than 2 ships even if they are in numerical advantage). What, so they're kinda like how FREGE fight in 0.0 and lowsec? Originally by: Kagura Nikon I really think wars should require some type of objective. And that after droped war needed at least 1 week to be restarted. Yeah, objective = killing your dumb ass.
Scordef	Posted - 2007.03.09 12:10:00 - [52] Originally by: Gort Chances are, they are abusing the process. We see an ongoing pattern of individual corporations leaving, and I'm sure the same thing is happening on the input side, although notification is not given. If the alliance is simply acting as a "holding pen" for corps to come and go from the war, and then come back when they're ready again, that's probably not how it's supposed to be. As annoying as Privateers can be to 0.0 alliances attempting to do business in Empire (unavoidable with how empire-centric the game is), I don't think there is any 'abuse' going on. Corporations leaving Privateers to rest and re-group might suck, but there's nothing stopping alliances/corps from wardeccing those corporations when they leave Privateers to get a bit of retribution.
Miss Anthropy	Posted - 2007.03.09 14:23:00 - [53] Has CCP actually made any official statement about the Privateer Alliance or their methods? If not, then this debate is pointless. CCP are the only ones who are fit to judge if a game mechanic is being abused. On the other hand, perhaps they haven't said anything yet because they realise that in order to stop the Privateers "abusing" the Wardec system, CCP would have to totally overhaul the said system in order to stop the abuse. And that is no easy task if you think about it. Ultimately, EVE is about PvP as CCP have said so many times themselves. They never intended EVE to be a cuddly wuddly universe. It was made to be populated by pirates, thieves, murderers, smugglers and criminals of all types. That's what makes EVE so great in my opinion.
TKarrde	Posted - 2007.03.09 15:03:00 - [54] Edited by: TKarrde on 09/03/2007 15:02:39 The Privateers don't actually engage in war. They have rarely/never actually engaged in a fleet-on-fleet, or even group-on-group engagement. They do not attempt to control an area of space, or attempt to destroy any one particular target. They merely wardec as many alliances as they can, then leave 2-man tackler/damage teams at stations in major trade hub areas (Jita, Amarr, etc) to gank unsuspecting industrial pilots coming there to pick up some item or another. As soon as any real PvP rears its ugly head, they ninja vanish. Hmmm... The Privateers are about as harmless as it gets. Anyone who dies to a Privateer is either AFK or stupid.
TKarrde	Posted - 2007.03.09 15:08:00 - [55] Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They had 4 guys. FOUR WHOLE GUYS camping the Jita 4 4 lagfest station for two days. If they're at war with any alliance worth mentioning they'd be pwned out of there so fast... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob, (former) ascn, LV, need i say more? --------------------------------------------------- No one the Privateers wardec bothers to go into the trade hubs to kick them out, because they can (and do)hide behind the station dock all day. Whereas in 0.0, that station would more often than not be QUITE killable and they'd have nowhere to hide. Privateers can't cut it in 0.0. They're about as weak and cowardly as they come. Seriously, I don't see why anyone makes a big deal out of them.
ghosttr Amarr The Silent Rage FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 15:14:00 - [56] The bad thing about empire is that they can hide behind the invincible npc shield. If theyre at war they shouldnt be able to hide, in 0.0 war theres nowhere to hide, any pos can be sieged and any outpost can be taken and this is not true for empire war. If someone comes to destroy them they hide behind the invincible npc shield. I say it should be fixed so that if at war nowhere that you can defend yourself is safe. HELP FIX THE DRONE REGIONS!!!
TKarrde	Posted - 2007.03.09 15:19:00 - [57] Easy fix to being wardecced by Privateers: Whenever you need to go to a trade hub, just use an alt. Heck, new characters start off with a bazillion SP these days so you can have a ready-made indy pilot in mere minutes. Once again.. Privateers are only a problem for lazy/stupid players.
ghosttr Amarr The Silent Rage FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 15:27:00 - [58] Originally by: TKarrde Easy fix to being wardecced by Privateers: Whenever you need to go to a trade hub, just use an alt. Heck, new characters start off with a bazillion SP these days so you can have a ready-made indy pilot in mere minutes. Once again.. Privateers are only a problem for lazy/stupid players. Of course anyone can get around them, the point is that they are hiding behind an invincible npc shield. And if anyone wants to fight them they just hide behind said shield. Im saying that if tey want a war they shouldn't have any space of invulnerability. HELP FIX THE DRONE REGIONS!!!
SFShootme The Carebear Stare Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 16:34:00 - [59] Quote: They had 4 guys. FOUR WHOLE GUYS camping the Jita 4 4 lagfest station for two days. If they're at war with any alliance worth mentioning they'd be pwned out of there so fast... What would be the use of any more people at 4-4? More splitted loot etc... Pretty pointless if u ask me Tho shall give Life, for Life.
SFShootme The Carebear Stare Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 16:34:00 - [60] Quote: They had 4 guys. FOUR WHOLE GUYS camping the Jita 4 4 lagfest station for two days. If they're at war with any alliance worth mentioning they'd be pwned out of there so fast... What would be the use of any more people at 4-4? More splitted loot etc... Pretty pointless if u ask me Tho shall give Life, for Life.

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