Oh my sweet summer child. If you think "Uninstall" or "GTFO" is toxic, then you haven't experienced the toxicity coming from carebears that gets caught in PvP. I will use the term "carebear", since not all PvE'ers are carebears.

While it is true, that the usual attitude originating from PvP'ers is "Get gud or GTFO". I hardly see this as toxic behavior, or at least not even close to the level of toxicity I have experienced from carebears.

Let me just give a few examples from one of my recent wardecs. These are some of the terms used in mails on convoes by the enemy corp, when we used game mechanics to blow up their stuff or disrupt activity.

- Piece of ****
- ******* which is only doing ****
- Should I invite you to dinner so you can become my little *****?
- Human waste

The funny thing is, these are not even that bad. Do you know how many times I've been told to die of cancer, go **** myself or jump off a bridge?

Yes, the EvE community can be toxic. But from my experience, it rarely comes from PvP'ers, since most PvP'ers are not attached to their space assets and usually understands that one day ships will die. The vast majority of the toxicity comes from carebears, that suddenly finds themselves on the receiving end of a conflict.

Probably for the admins records etc

The loot scoping mechanic needs to be adjusted, the gankers avoid consequences by the use of a alt in a noob ship scooping to a DST and then the freighter pilot scooping into his hold from the DST.

62.5k hold at level 5.

You are diverting attention from the basic mechanic issue.

I've honestly tried to put up with the anti-social game design and players who insist on anti-social behavior. I've put up with senseless gankings, been scammed a few times, sat docked while war decs ticked down, stayed logged off for weeks while war dec corps insisted on prolonging war decs even when they didn't get any kills and have done my best to fit in with the game due to my love for the game potential.

In the process I've paid subscriptions on three accounts until I have accumulated a total of nearly 100m of skill points on my three alts. I've also tried to enjoy the aspects of the game that work for me while ignoring the scamming, ganking and general anti social behavior.

But the time has come for me to give up. The potential of enjoyment has finally dried up to the point where I simply don't log in any longer. All but one of my accounts have expired and been left that way. This last account was paid up until November, but I shan't be logging into it. Frankly I've not played on this account since last December.

I've tried in the past to make suggestions that would allow me to continue. I've tried to find ways to co-exist with the average Eve players. But all said and done, I've given up and will not be adding funds to the CCP coffers in the future. Instead I've switched over to another game and have made substantial investments (time and money) into that game over the last few months.

And you know what the odd things is to me? If CCP had done like so many other games have done and created a PvE server to allow members the choice of game style, I (and dozens of other ex players I've met) would continue enjoying the game far into the future. But they have refused to do so and the result is a gradually diminishing player community.

Who knows? Perhaps CCP will give it a try some day and perhaps I'll return if the option of PvE gameplay is enabled. But until then, I've given up.

Forced PvP is not the way I choose to play Eve so I will no longer try to play Eve.

Simply because most people don't use them...

There are certain reasons around the algorithm that decides what drops, meaning that it is often better for the ganker in terms of expensive items dropping if you use cans.

That's because it does not fit into a single DST, its fairly simple, alt scoops to DST, freighter pilots scoops out of DST, rinse and repeat.

And I repeat most people do not use them.

Yay! I'm finally with Jenn again! Agree with it entirely. You go girl!

I also want to fully support the idea that lobbying CCP to change minor play points is problematic for the game.

Miners and haulers have the capacity to defend themselves right now, avail yourself of those options and stop trying to maximize your ISK haul at the expense of the game itself. It's counter productive.

HiSec is not intended to make ISK at the rate you can in Lo or Null.

Put up with the occasional gank or fly with escort. Suck it up and play EVE.

I'm with Ralph KG as well, they need to bring back some semblance of the watchlist to make Merc play style valid and do away with the mass War Decs.

Free intel, you went and asked someone for it and paid a little bit of ISK, nothing that the other person can do to prevent this, there is no counter, sorry it is free intel.

The one thing I never found out is the information you get back...when that info comes back, is it fresh intel or from when you initiated the search a few minutes earlier?

Narrows down the search a bit, but where is the counter?

Typical bull, if yu had done your homework before hand you would know where he was likely to be and would use your locator alt to narrow down his exact location, in other words you would be poised to go after him. This is easy stuff for anyone with a brain.

Well the question is more like would a war dec entity have bothered to have gone after someone like you before the watch list change, the answer would be no. Try harder please...

OK now that is because of what, your ganking activities so someone paid them to war dec you and they of course had little hope of getting you. The trick in this game is to know what you can and cannot do and not try something that is impossible. The person who may have paid for a war dec against you would have been silly in my book. I for one know it would be very unlikely to have any impact on you whatsoever. I would not war dec PL to go after you period. Now if you were operating nearly all the time near me then that would be different.

I did at one time do a locator agent on you to find you location for interest and you were in Deklin at that point.. I know that you are not the alt of Warr Akkini or Endie, but have not managed to get more than that. You are as far as I am concerned are fairly untouchable. Which is why you comment is silly.

You are actually very correct in this. I would counter argue that AG banding together and effectively fighting would generally help every haulers profits.

Haulers can bring increased risk and loss to directly increase profits but if AG start impacting gankers ability to gank it will allow more freighters to pass through and deliver cargo.

That is only Red Frog data and as someone quite rightly pointed out on another thread their max collateral is 1bn, changes the dynamics a lot and makes them not representative of hisec hauling as a whole.

The value of the cargo is set to be unprofitable to gank, so therefore they are not representative of freighter ganking in hisec.

More freighters, jump freighters, and orcas die everday to pvp in low, null, and wspace than they do to hisec ganks.

While (probably) true of Orcas and Jump Freighters...even a casual glance at the killboards for regular freighters would seem to indicate that that is a blatant lie...

A higher percentage of them may die there, because there are so many fewer out there...but the clear majority have been killed in high sec for regular freighters.