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Danti Shidomu
Gallente New Career Move
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Posted - 2007.03.09 11:14:00 -
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Edited by: Danti Shidomu on 09/03/2007 11:14:10 Can anyone help us with this, we are a new corp with 16 members (+2 alts), and in much trouble. We are mining based for the moment so no real PVP skills exist within our corp.
We will be at war with the Merc corp The Sell Swords. They got 19 probably more or less experienced members.
We are the New Career Move, and hopefully can count on someones support to help us out. We are low on M's ISK, so hiring a merc isn't possible.
Please contact me ingame, war starts today at 17.37 ingame time.
Thanks!
Ps. some extra info: The merc corp, with whom we had some contact told us that their client says we are thieve ores. But if there was any thieve in my corp he'd be long gone. It could very well be that an unknown/new member has done this, but really i doubt if that's true. Even so i will investigate this in my own corp, and kick suspects. Name of the person who hired the merc corp is yet unknown, he is only referred to as 'client'.
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.03.09 11:15:00 -
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Come to the mandate, accept the faith, and you will receive the Amarr and Ammatar aegis.
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Eron Lygera
Gallente Sharded Awareness
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Posted - 2007.03.09 11:19:00 -
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Stay together for a start. Dont spread out too much or you will be easy targets. Get intel on what the enemy is flying. Dont fly anything you cant replace. If you attack, use focus fire and guerilla tactics. Hit and run.
A good carebaer move is to stay docked for the duration of the war... bores away the attackers.
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munchy
Prison Break Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.09 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: munchy on 09/03/2007 11:19:00 send myself or blackfury a mail ingame, for a small price we could make them suffer ---
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Liora Vahan
Gallente Battle-Fleet Gothic
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Posted - 2007.03.09 11:21:00 -
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You'll find there's probably no client. In a few days after getting a few kills they'll send you a demand for isk to stop the war, if you pay it, they'll just wardec you again soon as they know you are an easy target. Best you can do is to sit in station when their around, they'll get bored.
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Danti Shidomu
Gallente New Career Move
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Posted - 2007.03.09 11:23:00 -
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Edited by: Danti Shidomu on 09/03/2007 11:20:11 On tactics (to be used in our position) i have received allot of information. I have some experienced players whom i know, and given me allot of information on that subject.
We almost had help aswell, only that corp was at war too and almost going to merge.
And we have a shipment coming of frigates and some cruisers + weaponry. But atm, even then, we do not stand a chance. The sell swords are probably flying battlecruisers, but no scouting has been done.
Thanks for your reply anyway @ Eron Lygera.
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Danti Shidomu
Gallente New Career Move
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Posted - 2007.03.09 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: munchy Edited by: munchy on 09/03/2007 11:19:00 send myself or blackfury a mail ingame, for a small price we could make them suffer
We shall discuss this ingame. Keep in mind, we're a relative new corp, with most members having 1.1M SP max.
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Spazmoid
Spectrum Solutions INC Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2007.03.09 11:27:00 -
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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=475811 try this guy i think hes free which is always nice.
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Danti Shidomu
Gallente New Career Move
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Posted - 2007.03.09 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Liora Vahan You'll find there's probably no client. In a few days after getting a few kills they'll send you a demand for isk to stop the war, if you pay it, they'll just wardec you again soon as they know you are an easy target. Best you can do is to sit in station when their around, they'll get bored.
Haha, among other things this too is what i love about EVE! Sounds crazy i know. :P.
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Helina Malinos
Caldari Euro Traders
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Posted - 2007.03.09 11:31:00 -
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contact the privatiers in game, sure they would be please to help
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Culmen
Caldari Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.03.09 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: Culmen on 09/03/2007 11:36:04 Well ,since you are new, a lot of lamness is forgivable
heres a collection of lame things that make empire war infuriating, and are one of the reasons we left for 0.0
1) Warp to zero Never auto pilot, watch local the moment you see somebody, warp to a station, dock, and dont leave till they do or if you really need to go somewhere, warp to zero on a gate
2)Jump clones if you get stuck in station, jump clone out, assured in the knowledge that your opponents are cursing and swearing (trust me, ive learned curse words in several languages this way)
3)Warp Core Stabalizers more then 4 WCS II + empire space = invulnerability with warp to zero and no bubbles, you are more or less guarnteed survival, unless your ships are really that slow and fragile that they insta pop it sure you wont be able to target anything fast, but those veld moons arent going anywhere
4) stay out of Jita it just sucks, heck i dont go there even if there are no war targets
so in short empire wars are infuriatingly stupid to fight, this group obviously hasnt been told Remember, it isnt ball-less abject yellow bellied cowardice, if you have no chance of winning _____________________________________________________
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Bienurdau Hywoaf
Minmatar Matari Holo News Network
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Posted - 2007.03.09 11:42:00 -
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Don't pay any ransom it will just make you a target as the others say.
Using cheap t1 frigates and cruisers is a good idea.
They gave you some good suggestions above, might be a good time to train some of those long training time skills.
You probably can't jump clone though. Find out what time the mercs are on see if you can game at a different time. That is always fun to.
Try to make the game boring for the mercs and hopefully they move on after a week.
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Le Cardinal
ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.09 11:43:00 -
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Hey man
Dont panic. Use this opportunity to learn the ropes and become closer as a corp.
Stay together at all times. Dont travel alone. Park ur haulers and miner ships. Buy some T1 frigs and have some fun. Keep ur clones updated. If u see 1 wartarget in local, expect there to be more around the corner. Stay out of web range etc.
When u get ur first kill, u will get that warm fuzzy feeling in ur stomach If ur low on resources, i bet someone can help u out with some T1 frigs. If not, contact me over the weekend and ill hand u some
Dont pvp in what u cannot afford to lose. Thats a general rule. Fight them, dont give after to their demands and u can go out with ur neck raised high. No matter the outcome.
No need to pay for mercs.
Good luck
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Demarcus
Project Gemini
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Posted - 2007.03.09 11:47:00 -
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Contact me in game, I was looking for a new war target anyhow. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
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Danti Shidomu
Gallente New Career Move
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Posted - 2007.03.09 11:50:00 -
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Thx Cardinal,
That is our attitude atm indeed, even before i posted here. But still, help is quite welcome. :) But its definately clear to me know that every corp should be able to defend itself, because every corp has the risk of getting a war dec.
Good lesson, good lesson. About the frigs, a friend of mine is bringing in a shipment of frigs with weaponry, don't know by when it'll arrive. But i'm pretty sure i can trust him on it :).
Thanks allot people for helping me out, not just gunpower backup is help, responding in this thread like you all do now is help too. :D
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Danti Shidomu
Gallente New Career Move
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Posted - 2007.03.09 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Demarcus Contact me in game, I was looking for a new war target anyhow.
You got it!
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Hei'di
Tempt Fate Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.09 11:52:00 -
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Another option:
Hiring the Privateers.
Imo a very cheap alternative to a merc corp. You only have to pay the wardec (approx. 50mio) and we are in business. We will not search them but we are quite numerous in empire and always happy to see more wartargets surrounding us.
cheers heidi
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Noluck Ned
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.09 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Liora Vahan Best you can do is to sit in station when their around, they'll get bored.
Good Grief
BEST thing you can do for your corp is as follows: Make sure ALL your members have at least 3-4 or even more fully combat ready frigates fully armed and ready to go in your home station. Update all your clones and set em to a convenient nearby point.
When an enemy appears in local dock your mining ships and everyone get into a frigate.
Then start having some fun.
It does not matter if anyone is killed or podded because the ships you just lost are very cheap.
You might just be able to kill an expensive enemy ship in the process.
If you die get a new frigate and keep coming back.
MOST IMPORTANT: It does NOT matter if you die. You are self proclaimed low sp miners and carebears. The enemy might smacktalk you in local but what does that make them: Someone who was able to kill a low sp carebear in a t1 frigate. But if YOU get a kill or two then they become: Someone who was KILLED by a low sp carebear in a t1 frigate.
There is simply no way you can possibly lose on this deal, just remember to all attack the same target at the same time, get it webbed scrambled jammmed dampned...and destroyed. Your own losses are not important, think of it as a challenge and yor corp will come out of it with a great sense of team bonding(even if you never kill anything)
Enjoy yourselves.
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Danti Shidomu
Gallente New Career Move
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Posted - 2007.03.09 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Hei'di Another option:
Hiring the Privateers.
Imo a very cheap alternative to a merc corp. You only have to pay the wardec (approx. 50mio)
50Million? see, yeah we are that small, we really don't have that cash yet. Thank you for the offer though.
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Danti Shidomu
Gallente New Career Move
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Posted - 2007.03.09 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Noluck Ned
Originally by: Liora Vahan Best you can do is to sit in station when their around, they'll get bored.
There is simply no way you can possibly lose on this deal, just remember to all attack the same target at the same time, get it webbed scrambled jammmed dampned...and destroyed. Your own losses are not important, think of it as a challenge and yor corp will come out of it with a great sense of team bonding(even if you never kill anything)
Yup.. Picking up some frigs right now :).. ^^ Thank you.
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Fryd
Caldari Crazy Renegades
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Posted - 2007.03.09 12:12:00 -
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Our corp (well lets face it this is my second account my main is canceled)....
However we where wardecced by a piratecorp (well think actually it was BoB members or something like that).
However what we did discover was that about HALF of the memberbase of that corp could not enter high sec. The other half we tried to fight in high sec, where we lost due to our noobness 2 battleships but still we had some fun. One battleship was killed in low sec when attacked by a BoB carrier, the other was killed in high sec due to lack of communication between us.
What people have written up here is pretty much what you can do, eventually that war will go away... I seriously doubt they will do much to actually try and hunt you guys down if they don't happen to stumble upon you.
Also try and find members of their corp and see what sec. status they got, there is a chance they have too low sec.status to enter high sec witch will reduce the number you have to fight.
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Danti Shidomu
Gallente New Career Move
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Posted - 2007.03.09 12:18:00 -
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they are based in 0.9 sector.
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Pallidum Treponema
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.09 12:24:00 -
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Look, if you want to remain carebears, don't fight back! Really, it's extremely important not to fight back.
You'll end up getting a taste for PvP and you won't want to go back to carebearing!
Just look at me, I used to be a purehearted carebear that was happy enough to mine kernite in obscure low-sec systems, then I started pew-pewing in my merlin and now I'm a darn director in a merc alliance!
Seriously though, go out and kick some ass. Contact me in-game and I'll sort you out with cash for a few T1 frigs. :)
Heck, I'll even offer you cash for every kill you get on one of your wartargets. Just forward the killmail to me.
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Danti Shidomu
Gallente New Career Move
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Posted - 2007.03.09 12:28:00 -
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Lmao no my goals for this corp are somewhat larger then carebearing so this is a good exercise.
And ships are on the way i think. So other then the still huge lack of firepower, we're set. :P.
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Minmatar Eve University
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Posted - 2007.03.09 12:36:00 -
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Stock up on Rifters with tackling gear and every time they come out to fight, swarm the biggest ship you can like angry hornets. Rifters are cheapy cheap and can be outfitted for very little. As soon as your fleet of 10 frigates outfitted for under a million ISK each blows up one of their big ships, they will reconsider fast. It's the ultimate form of counter-griefing that a small corp can do, fly super-cheap so the enemy gets no monetary gain. Every ship they lose will be a much bigger hit in their wallet than it will be for you to lose one.
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MassonA
Caldari coracao ardente
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Posted - 2007.03.09 12:40:00 -
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a vigil with nanos will not be caught in empire
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INZi
coracao ardente
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Posted - 2007.03.09 12:42:00 -
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u dont have 50mil for protection. u dont have skills to protect yourself. u'r basiclly crying for help. and you are basiclly noone.
if these war deccers are mercenaries as you say. i wonder who hired em on you and why whould the contractor even be interested in deccing you if you are not a threat?
step out of the closet, defend yourself or hire someone else todo it. 50/16 is 3 mil for each member. easy math.
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Silvestri
FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.03.09 12:44:00 -
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hide
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Logoffski
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Posted - 2007.03.09 12:50:00 -
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act like me
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Xem3d
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Posted - 2007.03.09 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Danti Shidomu
Originally by: Hei'di Another option:
Hiring the Privateers.
Imo a very cheap alternative to a merc corp. You only have to pay the wardec (approx. 50mio)
50Million? see, yeah we are that small, we really don't have that cash yet. Thank you for the offer though.
Might be expensive for now , but You would certainly have no more problems with these Mercenaries etc after hiring the Privateers They are real good and determined at what they do
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Sinder Ohm
Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.09 13:06:00 -
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From what I have read you guys have received lots of kind words and good advice.
Now jump in those ships and show them carebears have claws. Good luck guys !
Originally by: Blind Man okies so liek when u warp in on them u shod target them... and stuff k.then u FIRE ZE MISSILES
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Rina Delorean
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Posted - 2007.03.09 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Sinder Ohm From what I have read you guys have received lots of kind words and good advice.
Now jump in those ships and show them carebears have claws. Good luck guys !
Use alot of Electronic warfare, then their damaging T2 guns become useless
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Athon Mar
The Greater Goon The OSS
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Posted - 2007.03.09 13:25:00 -
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Your average member is 1.1m SP. Your clones are cheap.
A tier 3 frigate hull is at most 300k in empire. Standard fittings are very cheap. It will take your members no time at all to train some basic combat skills, like microwarp drive and warp disruption. Whatever "ransom" they are inflicting on you, you can fit and equip a whole lot of virtually free ships for the same cost.
When you see war targets, get in those T1 frigates and pew pew back. If you get podded, who cares, you're out virtually nothing. If you kill something, and they have shiny mods, you end up ahead, and you embarassed them by blowing up their T2 fitted out thorax or whatever with your cheap-o ship and utter lack of skills.
And if you don't, well you had some fun and it beat dragging ore into a jetcan.
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Siva Calentis
The Pikey Rebellion
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Posted - 2007.03.09 13:25:00 -
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Give me all your isk and I will help.
We pikeys are good business men!
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Emsee
S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.
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Posted - 2007.03.09 13:32:00 -
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Judging by your lack of ISK, PVP experience and skill points.. negotiate a surrender?
Seriously though just fly cheap tech I frigates and have fun. Your corp will only benefit by getting closer knit and more experienced.
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other mickey
Gallente Galaxy Punks Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.09 13:43:00 -
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Best thing you can do? Don't lose anything of value to these guys. Fit cheap ships with cheap fittings. It's costing someone to have this war against you, if you don't suffer, they're wasting their ISK.
Hell, swarm them with noob-ships even. They'll soon get bored (or laughed at) when their Killboard is nothing but velators!
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Alski
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.09 15:06:00 -
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Edited by: Alski on 09/03/2007 15:02:51
Originally by: INZi u dont have 50mil for protection. u dont have skills to protect yourself. u'r basiclly crying for help. and you are basiclly noone.
if these war deccers are mercenaries as you say. i wonder who hired em on you and why whould the contractor even be interested in deccing you if you are not a threat?
step out of the closet, defend yourself or hire someone else todo it. 50/16 is 3 mil for each member. easy math.
Because 3m is really nothing for 0.9 sec 1.2m SP player who's sill new to the game?
No.
Heres what ya do - get lots of frigs, several spares per member - caldari missile / rocket frigs or matari rifters are great if you can use em - don't forget to bring warp scramblers - always orbit your target, Never stand still - use drones, drone swarm is good mmkay? :) - if you can get a remote sensor dampener on every one of your frigs, your target won't even be able to fire back - test your setups on each other a lot, capacitor usage will be a big factor, use 7500m warp scrams if you must, use projectiles or missile weapons if you can - I'll say it again, always orbit your target, standing still will get you one-shoted to oblivion - update your clone, update your clone, update your clone! - move as a pack, never alone - have fun and get don't forget to scoop the loot, a single LAR II will probably pay for your entire war!
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niroshido
Caldari Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.09 17:00:00 -
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dont go afk mining
dont do missions alone
dont go afk hauling
dont travel alone
dont without some form of protection
insure ships
have fun with F1, F2,F3,F4 etc.
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Kovid
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.03.09 17:19:00 -
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Fight Back : Guide to Corporation Defense
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SweetClarisse
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Posted - 2007.03.09 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Le Cardinal Hey man
Dont panic. Use this opportunity to learn the ropes and become closer as a corp.
Stay together at all times. Dont travel alone. Park ur haulers and miner ships. Buy some T1 frigs and have some fun. Keep ur clones updated. If u see 1 wartarget in local, expect there to be more around the corner. Stay out of web range etc.
When u get ur first kill, u will get that warm fuzzy feeling in ur stomach If ur low on resources, i bet someone can help u out with some T1 frigs. If not, contact me over the weekend and ill hand u some
Dont pvp in what u cannot afford to lose. Thats a general rule. Fight them, dont give after to their demands and u can go out with ur neck raised high. No matter the outcome.
No need to pay for mercs.
Good luck
What this guy says.
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Raeff
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.09 18:44:00 -
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Edited by: Raeff on 09/03/2007 18:41:28 sent you some ideas
perfect chance to build up some pvp teamwork skills
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Arrow Jumpdrive
Minmatar Sicarri Covenant Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.10 17:25:00 -
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Quote: more then 4 WCS II + empire space = invulnerability
Um... any other retarded advice you can offer ?
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Drakma
Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai
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Posted - 2007.03.10 17:50:00 -
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Me thinks you all just got trolled and for those who sent isk, scammed...
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Egne Ver
Caldari The Reckoning
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Posted - 2007.03.10 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Danti Shidomu
Originally by: Demarcus Contact me in game, I was looking for a new war target anyhow.
You got it!
You just recruited a thief
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Danti Shidomu
Gallente New Career Move
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Posted - 2007.03.10 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Egne Ver
Originally by: Danti Shidomu
Originally by: Demarcus Contact me in game, I was looking for a new war target anyhow.
You got it!
You just recruited a thief
And who did i recruit then, according to you?
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Egne Ver
Caldari The Reckoning
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Posted - 2007.03.11 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Danti Shidomu
Originally by: Egne Ver
Originally by: Danti Shidomu
Originally by: Demarcus<-Known Thief Contact me in game, I was looking for a new war target anyhow.
You got it!
You just recruited a thief
And who did i recruit then, according to you?
Umm... Quotes Demarcus of Project Gemini, his entire corp are thieves they ripped off their alliance when Demarcus was the president or vice president.
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Enthes goldhart
Gallente Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2007.03.11 02:28:00 -
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if they have better ships than u think ECM, lots and lots of ECM
and have fun the more you have fun and do opps to try adn kill them the less your members will get annoyed and leave
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Nyabinghi
Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.03.11 07:11:00 -
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Too bad EVE doesn't have the equivalent of The Seven Samurai, or does it? Hmm...
Best advice I can offer is to use cheap T1 frigs and swarm specific (hopefully expensive) targets.
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Bacci Galu
Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.11 07:25:00 -
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First off, SP's don't win fights, teamwork and commitment does.
This is a good opportunity for your corp to learn how to stand up for itself, dont be affraid to lose a frig/cruiser or two learning how to be self sufficient, we have all been on the recieving end of an unfair fight, its just part of eve, trust me u will learn a lot more in the end, if u guys stick togther, and stand up for yaselves.
That said, dont go looking for it, just be prepared for it.
As mentioned in previous posts
.: Stay togther .: Stay alert .: Stay away from systems where lots of people reside, it makes it easier to monitor who is comming and going from system (easier to see red in local) .: Stay away from trade systems, and trade routes .: If u engage, commit to it, work as a team, shoot one target at a time.
and remeber, the ship class in eve responsible for the most kills is the frigate (more specificly Assault frigs), so lots of small ships, can kill bigger ships (except disco ships, they pwn frig swarms).
Have fun. learn, trust me its a leason worth learning now.
So sexy, ya mum wants one !!!
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Arrgs
Bondage and Veldspar
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Posted - 2007.03.11 07:35:00 -
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1. Logoffski alot 2. Fit max WCS in your lows, Pvpers love it when carebears do that. 3. Undock and redock alot, sure to be a hit. 4. I started a vote 5. Don't listen to anything I said. My first video!
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Saskia Elko
Independant Union of Rangers
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Posted - 2007.03.11 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Arrgs 1. Logoffski alot 2. Fit max WCS in your lows, Pvpers love it when carebears do that. 3. Undock and redock alot, sure to be a hit. 4. I started a vote 5. Don't listen to anything I said.
You forgot the bit about getting everyone to resign then keep forming new corps.
BoD Note:
Originally by: Dianabolic That's what I'm saying, yes. If you fly with people that make you look bad, guess what? You look bad.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.11 10:06:00 -
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Edited by: Patch86 on 11/03/2007 10:09:33 Edited by: Patch86 on 11/03/2007 10:02:28 Not that it hasn't been said already, but:
1: Stay out of Jita and the hubs. They're an ambush waiting to happen, and tbh they're overpriced and laggy anyway. Take the trouble to buy from quieter places, and you'll save a few ships.
2: Always (ALWAYS!!!!) keep local chat open and on top of a chat stack. You'll spot those red stars of WAR the moment you jump in to system, and save you a fair few embarrassing opportunity deaths.
3: When you want to fight them, don't waste money on the best equipment (you don't have the isk to burn or the SP to take advantage of it). Frigate swarms are so cheap as to almost be free, and cruiser swarms are pretty reasonable too. If you kill one battleship while losing 15 frigates, you've done 100 million isk damage to him, while taking about 15 million damage yourself. Thats a victory, in anyones books
4: Most empire gankers like to sit on a station, shoot you when you undock, or dock up if you turn up with the cavalry. One golden tactic is baiting- undock one ship and let it get shot at, then undock the rest. Having aggressed that one cheap ship, he won't be able to hide from the cavalry.
5: NEVER pay war dec ransoms. Even if it does end the war immediately, they'll likely tell their friends about you and you'll never be free of war decs.
6: Consider mercenaries, but consider it long and hard. Mercenaries are an expensive business, and sometimes the cost of hiring someone to deal with the enemies will dwarf how much money you'd actually have lost if you'd fought them. Privateers might be an option- one giant alliance of pirates, who'll war dec anyone if you pay their war fees.
The one thing to remember is, though- DON'T DESPAIR. Fight them, deal with them, and meet them head on. Don't smack, whine or throw a hissy fit (you didn't in your OP, so thats a start ) and don't let people push you around! I someone really did hire them, every week you're war dec'd is a huge bill delivered to their account. And every ship you pop makes the mercenary's contract that bit less profitable.
EDIT: Just saw that Demarcus posted. Lol
TO the OP: Touch him at your own risk. Firstly, he ripped off the alliance he was leading for billions of isk. Secondly, alot of people are still mad at him, and if you start paying him, don't be surprised if the merc contracts start mounting up against you. Memories are long and vengeance cruel int he world of EVE --------
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Golden Helmet
Caldari Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.03.11 10:27:00 -
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Just the usual, which has already been said but i think it should be stressed:
Fly T1 frigs with T1 fittings. Always insure them. Extremely little loss. Never fly solo, always fly in packs. More the merrier. Electronic Warfare is your friend Don't get discouraged if you lose like 10 T1 frigs to down one of their ships. 10 insured T1 frigs is hardly even a loss of 1 mill. Kill even a tier 1 battlecruiser, and you've won the fight in terms of isk damage \ received. They'll get annoyed if you keep that up after a while and take off. Above all, have a good time, and don't give them any good loot
Drop me an Eve-mail sometime if you need some T1 frig \ cruiser fitting advice, and if you need combat advice, i run a little channel with the majority of the people being PvP'ers which you're more than welcome to join and ask questions in.
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Blitz'Krieg
Caldari SkyMarshal Logistics
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Posted - 2007.03.11 14:44:00 -
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tbh all these people who are telling you to stay together and fight are having a laugh. you'll just get massacared. Eves a big place, spread out and DONT bunch together.
Waiting in a system for a fight against 10 noobs is vagely interesting.
Camping 1 noob is not.
They will have locator agents and bunching together will make using them worthwhile, but paying 500k for a frig kill will get old fast.
As far as actually fighting them goes, tbh i wouldn't bother. If its fun, they will keep it up. More than likely its not a contract but just bored empire "pvp"ers.
If you HAVE to, then i would go with a bunch of griffins with a mix of damp and tracking disrupts.
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Danti Shidomu
Gallente New Career Move
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Posted - 2007.03.11 23:43:00 -
[55]
Guys the war is over in 24 hours, they have retracted! Thanks allot for all of your help, be it advice, financial or gunpower!
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Danti Shidomu
Gallente New Career Move
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Posted - 2007.03.12 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: Drakma Me thinks you all just got trolled and for those who sent isk, scammed...
I am glad that the majority still has some trust in unknown players. For the trust in me is not misplaced, first and foremost if i am to have any reputation, it is not about 1337ness, or kills, or mining yields, but trust. All other things people can judge me on is secondary.
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Jane Spondogolo
NoobWaffe
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Posted - 2007.03.12 01:35:00 -
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Nice work Danti. Psychology is everything in eve politics.
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Grenadier
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Posted - 2007.03.12 02:44:00 -
[58]
III. Preemptive Strategies
It is often impossible to know when youÆre about to become war targets, so the best thing is to always be prepared.
You should always have a well-made set of safe spots created around your home systems and constellations.
It is always good to be prepared to fight as well as run, and thus the following classes and stockpiles are necessary:
òNever, ever, keep your corporation wallet on ôlow,ö it is tempting to do this, but remember to keep enough funds allocated for emergency purposes. òCovert ops pilots are a must for nearly any engagement, and are extremely useful for espionage, and engaging in fights. Many pilots like to fight from a distance, moving in using warp will force your enemy to fight, to leave portions of their forces to face destruction. I recommend that CEOs and Directors try to have these abilities, as they will often be commanders, and being cloaked will grant them safety. òEffective tacklers are a must for almost any combat operation, interceptors are preferred, but many frigates could easily be used as tacklers, including many EW cruiser builds. òEnsure that most of your members are able to fly an EW and/or Combat Cruiser. For EW pilots using their ships boosted EW will be necessary, as these bonuses are very strong. For combat cruisers the line is a bit different, a preferred pilot should be able to fulfill their ship in its role without many sacrifices. Corresponding weapons, fitting skills, capacitor skills, etc. òAlways have a stockpile of ships ready for combat, but ensure your members have these ships too.
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Grenadier
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Posted - 2007.03.12 02:45:00 -
[59]
IV. Post û Declaration (Analysis and Objectives)
You have just been war declared by a hostile corporation; itÆs time to put everything into action.
Firstly, analyze the type of corporation you are fighting against. It is important to know why your enemy is fighting you. Simply looking at corporation descriptions will often tell you which corporation you are fighting against. If your upcoming war is motivation-triggered, use your best judgment and decide if contacting the enemies CEO will be worthwhile. Oftentimes wars could be settled without firing a single shot; and sometimes wars are simply misunderstandings.
If your enemy is opportunity-triggered there is very little to do but choose to fight your enemy, I strongly recommend against paying ransoms.
Proceeding, it is important to get your corporation into gear for the war and to set clear objectives for bringing it to a swift end.
The primary means to bring a war to an end is to make your enemy stop fighting, and this is different for different types of corporations.
Motivation Based: Fight the offensive; poke at their weak points. If a corporation decides to conduct industry while fighting a war against you, destroy their attempts at industry. They will likely stop wanting the war and seek to end it.
Opportunity Based: The enemy will likely be using T2 ships since they are unused to resistance and want things done effectively, destroying some T2 ships like HACs or Command Ships can put multi-hundred million holes in their enemies wallet. Losses like these will make your enemy reconsider if youÆre a suitable target. Adapt to their weak points.
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Grenadier
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Posted - 2007.03.12 02:45:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Grenadier on 12/03/2007 02:42:01 V. Basic Strategies
Skills and Proper Setups are only part of the solution, knowing how to actually fight is very important. Your group will need to designate a "Fleet Commander," although I'm using that word generously; I will refer to this as the FC. Secondly, your group will need a method to communicate quickly, I recomend a voice chat program, typing while in combat isn't a good idea.
My recomendation would then be to split your group into several groups.
EW - Consists of Electronic Warfare vessels which will disable your target. Further I would divide this into several smaller groups, depending on numbers. I prefer to go with greek numbers, but "EW A," "EW B," "EW C," etc will suffice. Within these I would have maybe two or three pilots at most. One pilot should be able to use jammers effectively, the other sensor dampeners effectively. This way you're nearly guaranteed to jam, and if you fail your enemy will have a hard time locking before the next cycle of jammers. Orders should be sent to each EW group to keep different targets locked down, failure to keep a target down with two EW pilots are pretty unlikely. All EW pilots should also carry scramblers that are on the primary target, they should not wander away to the next target, unless the FC decides there is enough scrambling power.
Combat - Should compose of cruiser+ pilots with high damage skills, preferably close range to ensure quick destruction of the target.
Support - Should tackle the next target so it doesn't run away, preferably fast moving frigites. Warp Scramblers and webifiers are a good option, support should be fairly safe if the next target is locked down by the EW team.
These recomendations are built around groups of ten people, but can easily be scaled as needed.
Your group will need to follow the FCs orders without question, so ensure this is somebody your corporation is trustworthy in, usually CEOs are good ideas, but it does boil down to experience.
"Good Targets" If you are involved in a situation with multiple targets, it's often a good idea to pick the one that will hurt the enemy the most.
- Tech Two Ships, Cruiser Size or higher are very good to target, they will usually be very easy to drain dry of capacitor, and will hurt your enemy substancially. Also, the loot will generally be good. They are however, hard to kill and the FC should eliminate more immediate threats first. - ECM Ships, kill them before they disable portions of your group, ECM battleships are quite deadly, but if you can keep them jammed they are fairly useless. - Enemy Leaders Ship, this will usually hinder morale in some circles if the enemy CEO is popped, but don't concern yourself with these unless they're fairly good targets.
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ignisgunner
Minmatar Paradox v2.0 Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.12 04:05:00 -
[61]
contact me ingame and i can see what i can do for you i play with a decent bunch of pvpers and maybe we can help out Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
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BlackFury
Prison Break Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.12 10:32:00 -
[62]
Edited by: BlackFury on 12/03/2007 10:30:09 Just thought I would post an update to this for any interested partys.
We War Decd The Sell Swords to help NCM out (I hate greifer corps), for a relativly new outfit NCM are pretty well organised and got the best kill of the war all by themselves (a drake).
The Sell Swords retracted the war late Sunday night so we followed suit at the request of Danti.
In fact we did very little to aid them apart from giving them the option of reinforcements. They recieved help from various sources and fought back for themselves and earned the war retraction they were fighting for.
Good Job NCM, you are a new corp with new players that have faced the griefer, adapated and overcame. You have proved it can be done.
Fly Safe
BlackFury CEO - Prison Break Inc.
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