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Sable Lowell Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.09 19:29:00 - [1] Turns out a lot of people do not know this, but if you are like me and cannot install programs at work, or want to keep all your bookmarks/settings with you, you can copy your EVE directory to a flash drive, and run it directly from the flash drive without installing anything onto a computer. That way, wherever you go, you have Eve in your pocket. All it does is leave a view registry keys on the computer it is run on, but that's it. I have no degraded performance either, and I can run 2 clients.
Alexander Knott Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.09 22:01:00 - [2] I've thought about this but was worried about performance. How is it compared to running from a traditional disk. I know random read/write performance is better, but transfer rate suffers AFAIK. ----- "I like to loot, especially going to the can of the battleship, sometimes there is a surprise inside, sometimes there is only carp..."
Sable Lowell Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.09 23:00:00 - [3] On my desktop, I can run 3 clients of Eve if stored on the hard drive. With Eve stored on the flash drive, I can run 2 clients. 2 clients gets a little laggy at times, and slow load times when logging into the game, but not bad. Also, flash drives are faster and slwoer than hard drives. If you are writing large blocks of data, it is slower. If you are writing a bunch of tiny blocks, then it is faster. The reason is a hard drive can read/write faster than a flash drive (well, most flash drives), but the extremely fast cache on a flash drive can locate data very quickly. So sometimes a flash drive can read data before a hard drive could even locate the data. So basically, a ton of tiny read/writes you will see better performance with a flash drive, but larger blocks you will see better performance with a hard drive. This is also why the readyboost feature of Vista is nifty.
JD Gray Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.03.14 02:56:00 - [4] Chalk this up to lack of understanding exactly how EVE on a flash drives would work, but would this be possible with a CD-R? I'm betting that the EVE Client would need to write files as well, which would eliminate a CD-R, obviously. Otherwise, EVE might have finally given me reason to purchase a flash drive.
Sable Lowell Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.14 17:21:00 - [5] Eve needs write ability. Even if you managed to make it so that eve wrote to the HDD, and ran from the CD, it would still not work because the read speed is way to slow, and the seek time is really bad.
Regat Kozovv Caldari GETCO	Posted - 2007.03.14 20:14:00 - [6] Originally by: Alexander Knott I've thought about this but was worried about performance. How is it compared to running from a traditional disk. I know random read/write performance is better, but transfer rate suffers AFAIK. Correct. Hard disks are better for sequential reads and writes as they have a higher sustained transfer rate. Flash drives are better for random access as they do not suffer from latency involved in spinning a platter or moving a read head
GetergdeKaasboer	Posted - 2007.03.15 03:07:00 - [7] How do you do this step wise for the computer inept (such as myself). am interested because work drags me from my desktop (such as now) and i am left with this (one am on now) company laptop that i cannot install exes on. please please please.....
JD Gray Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.03.15 09:21:00 - [8] Originally by: Sable Lowell Eve needs write ability. Even if you managed to make it so that eve wrote to the HDD, and ran from the CD, it would still not work because the read speed is way to slow, and the seek time is really bad. Yep, that's what I figured. Guess I'll be going to MicroCenter and buying a cheap flash drive!
Bish Ounen Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2007.03.15 19:46:00 - [9] One more thing to keep in mind with this idea: Flash drives have a very limited amount of reads and writes that can be done to them (compared to a hard drive) So if you are going to do this, be aware that there is a possibility of sudden failure and data loss on the flash drive. You would be better served to put Eve on a small USB hard drive, and bring that to work. Many of the smaller ones use Laptop hard drives in a case about the size of a PDA or a pocketbook. Most of these also use the power from the USB port to drive them. If you carry a case to and from work each day it would easily fit in there and only add a few ounces of weight. Then you can play EVE without worry of a sudden drive failure. If you get a good sized one, you can keep your "Adult Multimedia" collection on there too! (Just don't get caught playing EVE or looking at "Adult Multimedia" at work. You won't like what happens.)
Kisum Antel	Posted - 2007.03.17 00:18:00 - [10] Originally by: Sable Lowell All it does is leave a view registry keys on the computer it is run on, but that's it. So, when you run EVE from the Flash Drive (or HDD if you copy it to that) it'll leave a registry key? Hrmm.. how would this work with a Networked HDD? IE: dump it on the work's server and the 3 work mates run it from there?
Sable Lowell Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.17 20:36:00 - [11] to put Eve on a flash drive or portable drive, just copy the eve directory from your computer and put it on the drive, and you're done. As for the amount of read writes: This is mostly negligible. You get an average amount of 10 million rewrites to a standard flash drive (10million writes to every part, not just 10 million times) Also, most flash drive companies give you quick and easy replacement if it does go bad.
Sable Lowell Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.17 20:37:00 - [12] And yes, it will leave registry keys. As for running it off a NAS, I would assume just drag it into there and run off of it, the same as any other drive (I do not work with NAS drives)
Er 'k	Posted - 2007.03.18 02:30:00 - [13] Originally by: Bish Ounen One more thing to keep in mind with this idea: Flash drives have a very limited amount of reads and writes that can be done to them (compared to a hard drive) So if you are going to do this, be aware that there is a possibility of sudden failure and data loss on the flash drive. You would be better served to put Eve on a small USB hard drive, and bring that to work. Many of the smaller ones use Laptop hard drives in a case about the size of a PDA or a pocketbook. Most of these also use the power from the USB port to drive them. If you carry a case to and from work each day it would easily fit in there and only add a few ounces of weight. Then you can play EVE without worry of a sudden drive failure. If you get a good sized one, you can keep your "Adult Multimedia" collection on there too! (Just don't get caught playing EVE or looking at "Adult Multimedia" at work. You won't like what happens.) this can be counterd with a portable hdd ;) about the same principle as a flash drive, a bit more expensive but leaves you with enough room to store tons of other data
Sable Lowell	Posted - 2007.03.19 15:34:00 - [14] true. Either way works, if you have a portable HDD, use it, if you have a flash drive, or need to keep a low key about it, use a flash drive. * I can't stand lazy forum posters. They should be banned.
ZenTex Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.20 11:51:00 - [15] Edited by: ZenTex on 20/03/2007 11:50:11 Edited by: ZenTex on 20/03/2007 11:49:33 Originally by: Sable Lowell All it does is leave a view registry keys on the computer it is run on, but that's it. Too bad the computers at my work block ANY registry change. No way to circumvent this I suppose? I mean EVE not making registry changes and still being able to run? Oh, and how much space would EVE require to run? can't check myself ATM. ----------------------------------------------- "The laws of nature place idiots on the bottom of the foodchain".
Sable Lowell	Posted - 2007.03.22 16:03:00 - [16] Eve takes 1.44 Gb on my flash drive. There is a way to circumvent the registry changes, I believe it is with a program called regwrapper. I do not know anything on how to do it, I just know that is one of the programs used to make applications portable. Check out www.portableapps.com form ore information on how to make a truly portable version of EvE. I can't stand lazy forum posters. They should be banned.
kai'ana Gallente Jovian Labs The Foundation.	Posted - 2007.04.22 14:07:00 - [17] Im on a system that has a magic card in it(wipes any changes made on reboot) I have eve installed on a flash drive and all works good. however every time i go one eve i need to reput in all my setting eg stop the tutorial and reprosision where my cargobay and all other windows open to and there size. can someone please tell me where thease settings are stored I know thay are not in the eve director. thanks in advance. Kai'ana
Sable Lowell	Posted - 2007.04.22 17:26:00 - [18] They are in the eve directory, I just do not remember where. Copy the eve directory from your home computer, and everything will be fine. I can't stand lazy forum posters. They should be banned.
Trevelar Freeman	Posted - 2007.04.26 07:02:00 - [19] How Odd, I have been researching how to do this for the majority of the evening and on a whim I decided to look here. I was pleased to see that someone had started a thread that I was about to. I have a few questions and ideas. But mostly questions I'm hoping some of you can answer. Bear in mind I only know enough about computers to get me in trouble usually . Well, maybee a little more than that but not much more. 1. Assuming you just copy your directory to a portable USB storage device wouldn't it be pretty rare for it to work on other PCs considering varried settings and hardware options on computers. Provided of course the PC in question at least meets the minimum requirements for EvE. 2. Someone mentioned registry changes? This is a no no for me at work and would most likely lead to my dismissal. For others who might be able to change registry values, can anyone suggest an app. for removing those values once finished with a play session? I will be checking out the link that was provided but any more info would be greatly apreciated. 3. Now, lets say I can run EvE from a USB device, I now have the problem of actually accessing the EvE servers as they are blocked on my work computer network (used to be able to bring a laptop and just jack in to the router). Should I just use some kind of tunneler on the USB drive to take care of that function as well? And could anyone suggest an app. that could do this without leaving a footprint. 4. Considering the increasing size of USB storage options,and the ability to now place a bootable copy of Windows XP on these devices, couldn't we install EvE alongside it and run the whole thing from the device? Or use a Linux distribution on a USB device to do the same thing. Maybee one of you linux wizzards can create a "Live" distribution specificly made to run EvE or suggest one that might be adapted. Optimally it could be placed on a larger Jump Drive/Pen Drive and you truly would have portable EvE on any PC that met the minimum specs. Wouldn't that be awesome? It would leave no footprint, change no files...... Im getting excited just thinking about it. Thanks, Trev
Sable Lowell	Posted - 2007.04.26 20:31:00 - [20] Originally by: Trevelar Freeman How Odd, I have been researching how to do this for the majority of the evening and on a whim I decided to look here. I was pleased to see that someone had started a thread that I was about to. I have a few questions and ideas. But mostly questions I'm hoping some of you can answer. Bear in mind I only know enough about computers to get me in trouble usually . Well, maybee a little more than that but not much more. 1. Assuming you just copy your directory to a portable USB storage device wouldn't it be pretty rare for it to work on other PCs considering varried settings and hardware options on computers. Provided of course the PC in question at least meets the minimum requirements for EvE. 2. Someone mentioned registry changes? This is a no no for me at work and would most likely lead to my dismissal. For others who might be able to change registry values, can anyone suggest an app. for removing those values once finished with a play session? I will be checking out the link that was provided but any more info would be greatly apreciated. 3. Now, lets say I can run EvE from a USB device, I now have the problem of actually accessing the EvE servers as they are blocked on my work computer network (used to be able to bring a laptop and just jack in to the router). Should I just use some kind of tunneler on the USB drive to take care of that function as well? And could anyone suggest an app. that could do this without leaving a footprint. 4. Considering the increasing size of USB storage options,and the ability to now place a bootable copy of Windows XP on these devices, couldn't we install EvE alongside it and run the whole thing from the device? Or use a Linux distribution on a USB device to do the same thing. Maybee one of you linux wizzards can create a "Live" distribution specificly made to run EvE or suggest one that might be adapted. Optimally it could be placed on a larger Jump Drive/Pen Drive and you truly would have portable EvE on any PC that met the minimum specs. Wouldn't that be awesome? It would leave no footprint, change no files...... Im getting excited just thinking about it. Thanks, Trev 1) So far, it has ran on about 30 different computers. They all have been Windows XP. I do not know if it would on different types of Winodws, but so far it works with any type of XP. 2) You can modify any program to not make any changes to the registry. These programs are called registry wrappers. www.portableapps.com has forums that discuss making applications "portable" which would be the best thing if you want to leave no trace of Eve on the computer. It will still show up in MRU lists. Or, you can just delete the registry keys after youre done playing. 3) I don't know. Never had to work with anything of the sort. 4) As long as you have Eve, and an operating system it will run on, it does not matter where the files are located, whether it is on a hard drive, flash drive, or wherever, you just have to make sure that the computer will boot from a USB device if you go that route. You can Put eve on a DVD and run it form there, but it takes a bit of modification. ________________________________ I can't stand lazy forum posters. They should be banned.
dragon2611	Posted - 2007.04.28 13:12:00 - [21] Originally by: Bish Ounen One more thing to keep in mind with this idea: Flash drives have a very limited amount of reads and writes that can be done to them (compared to a hard drive) So if you are going to do this, be aware that there is a possibility of sudden failure and data loss on the flash drive. You would be better served to put Eve on a small USB hard drive, and bring that to work. Many of the smaller ones use Laptop hard drives in a case about the size of a PDA or a pocketbook. Most of these also use the power from the USB port to drive them. If you carry a case to and from work each day it would easily fit in there and only add a few ounces of weight. Then you can play EVE without worry of a sudden drive failure. If you get a good sized one, you can keep your "Adult Multimedia" collection on there too! (Just don't get caught playing EVE or looking at "Adult Multimedia" at work. You won't like what happens.) or just buy a cheap drive and don't put important data on it. Given how much the costs have plummeted recently you could get a flashdrive just for eve. even if it did go bad you wouldn't lose anything other than the client which can be easily reinstalled on a new drive.
Sable Lowell	Posted - 2007.04.28 18:01:00 - [22] While on the topic of flash drive, if you do plan on buying one, please consider using a SanDisk flash drive. They're more expensive, but they're the best ones out there. Competitor flash drives fail 10x more often than SanDisk ones. Plus, they're coming out with an 8GB one next month. ________________________________ I can't stand lazy forum posters. They should be banned.
Blood Poison	Posted - 2007.05.02 11:21:00 - [23] Here is how i have done it: I copied the EVE folder from my home PC to my company laptop. Doesn't matter if you use Flash drive, external usb hdd or whatever. As for the registry, EVE creates (maybe) only one key in your user's registry partion, whit one value in it: EVE Start Menu Folder=EVE. Thats all, and i belivie it is not even needed. you can run EVE without registry access, i am sure. As for the blocked network, i use 2 programs - HTTO-Tunnel (http://www.http-tunnel.com), using thier free service (it gives 3kb/s speed only, but it is enough for station whoring, even highsec flying is ok. well i have ran couple of misions ) To make EVE work through HTTP-tunnel I use this app - SOCKSCap client from Permeo (www.permeo.com) It makes a specified software to use a SOCKS server for all of its network comunications. As the HTTP-Tunnel acts as a SOCKS server, all traffic from EVE goes through it, using the HTTP tunnel free service, bypassing the company firewall. If you have a quiet place in your office, you may pay for HTTP-tunnel full services (offers start from 5USD/month) which will give you a very good speed and you will be able to play EVE as you are at home. Of course you must have the permissions to install those two apps to your company PC. The other option is to install a clientless VPN server software on your home PC and connect to it, using it as a proxy. There is free software, but I can't remember its name atm. You will have to play with your routing table a bit, but it is possible.
Sable Lowell	Posted - 2007.05.10 16:13:00 - [24] bump I can't let my only useful thread leave the first page :D ________________________________ I can't stand lazy forum posters. They should be banned.
Liliane Woodhead	Posted - 2007.05.11 03:23:00 - [25] eve is really portable .... but we are no devs ... look at the protocol how oveur fetches datacore and serpentis pee pee ... its done and it works. some i love and some i dont when i was a dev sing
Kidari Tenlos	Posted - 2007.05.11 06:05:00 - [26] /me recommends Lexmark Flash-Drives Over Sandisk, however they are both of extremely high quality.
Drakath X Caldari Odin Imperial Navy Shipyard	Posted - 2007.05.13 05:13:00 - [27] or better yet, setup an ssh server on your computer and use it as a socks5 proxy, that way you get your home bandwidth...plus its nice and encrypted so all work would see is a steady connection thats encrypted. It works quite well at least for my work place, though I havn't tried eve there yet...dunno if I should...maybe when I get bored enough. Drakath X
Morphed Override Happy hOur Mining and industry Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.05.14 04:07:00 - [28] Originally by: Drakath X or better yet, setup an ssh server on your computer and use it as a socks5 proxy, that way you get your home bandwidth...plus its nice and encrypted so all work would see is a steady connection thats encrypted. It works quite well at least for my work place, though I havn't tried eve there yet...dunno if I should...maybe when I get bored enough. please can you post a guide on how to do this?
Sable Lowell	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:24:00 - [29] Originally by: Liliane Woodhead Edited by: Liliane Woodhead on 11/05/2007 03:27:39 eve is really portable .... but we are no devs ... look at the protocol how oveur fetches datacore and serpentis pee pee ... its done and it works. some i love and some i dont when i was a dev sing edottted: eve is then portable when they take a trip on opengl .... and on libs that gimme 100m per month ... i dont know what the future will bring us but i know winterblink can make a comic of it ! :) opengl is a wish .... and machine code too ---- i cnt call oveur an noob, i never meat him 1 by 1 --- and i fear of it ... and i dont want it ive found a way .... check out the datatypes from me .. the libs that are comin soon ... we do not implement hot fetching from websites ... but we have an option .... to kill all (102) region servers .... devs know that this is not possible the radio says know: the german papst is avaited in venezuela .-.. hmmm i am german i want a offical database update .. and not from chuckka ... from the chief point <3 ________________________________ I can't stand lazy forum posters. They should be banned.
Sable Lowell	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:25:00 - [30] Originally by: Kidari Tenlos /me recommends Lexmark Flash-Drives Over Sandisk, however they are both of extremely high quality. Boo. Lexmark has a 4% defective rate, along with a 500k write cycle lifetime. Sandisk has a .03% defective rate and an unlimited write cycle lifetime :D ________________________________ I can't stand lazy forum posters. They should be banned.

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