Can we somehow figure out what artificial volume was generated just by the low margin / high volume station traders?

I'm starting to think it may have a lot to do with CODE and mercs mass deccing industry corps.

Also, margins are tighter in jita and surrounding citadels why sell your **** anywhere else.

Can we somehow figure out what artificial volume was generated just by the low margin / high volume station traders?

Wardecs encourage geographical spreading. If Marmite dec you, you can usually operate completely unhindered in backwater areas of contiguous highsec but you would want to stay clear of Jita, Dodi, Amarr and maybe the two microhubs.

We have more of an impact in CODE (and understanding CODE's impact is the main way I make ISK on the Jita to Dodi export business) but we can't take credit for these changes in the landscape. In particular we have had very little activity near Hek, and Hek has fallen from hub to microhub status without us there.

If Amarr and Dodi do follow the others down to microhub status, though, the next Burn Jita will be incredible.

This thread has been on going for a while, and still at front page so not really a necro, but just updates from my observation and thoughts.

1. I logged into Rens yesterday in what was pretty reasonable EU peak time zone, and the local count was 43. Trade volume's so low that stuff just don't sell much. I am now officially pulling out of Rens. It's just not worth the time and effort to log in there to update orders anymore with such low traffic.

2. Friend of mine do some seeding on far away places from hubs. He went to Dodixie, the nearest so called 'major' hub, and he could not get all the varieties of ammo he wanted/usually bought from there to seed. When a trade 'hub' is lacking ammo for people to buy, there is a serious issue. Especially considering that Dodixie is still unique in that it has lvl 4 Agent right in the trading station.

3. I have done some trading in Amarr over the years too. Amarr now is like what Dodixie used to be when people started to notice Dodixie is declining. I stress that point - Amarr now is not even comparable to Dodixie in its peak. Amarr now is comparable to Dodixie few months ago when it was on its downhill turn.

4. Even Jita trade volumes are not what they used to be. Sure some things still sell like hot cakes, but parts of the specific market segments are dropping already, and I don't see this as only because of pvp meta change or lack of less players logged on, etc.

There was some talk before about how much ISK was removed from the game when Citadels came out, and how ISK was the king now.

I have same sentiments now. Surely people more experienced and clever than me will find good investment opportunities. But for now, just across the board in general terms, I estimate that raw ISK will be very valuable. I do not agree that PLEX will rise and go through the roof with alpha toons coming in and November changes.

Industrial complexes will see more ISK removed from the game, costs for finished products will get cheaper, while influx of alpha toons not helping to revitalise New Eden in a way CCP has hoped.

I see freefall coming. People will sell currently valuable assets for peanuts. People will sell at loss to hold on to ISK than keep things as assets. PLEX will go below 1b again, and will not bounce back for a while except for occasional spikes from manipulations that cannot be sustained for long term.

I'm not saying "EVE is dying", but difficult times are coming for traders. The new complexes and alpha toons will not revitalise or boost the economy as people have hoped for.

I think in for a mid-long term depression.

Doom and gloom (TM)

It is interesting times indeed. How to make ISK in a shrinking markets with demand falling and people dumping stocks. Some would consider this goos time to buy, but at the same time Alpha toons cannot increae the demand for T2/T3 and highend gears, unless they do go Omega. Player count probably go up with alpha toons but the skill cap is an interesting barrier that limits the impact of population growth in demand for certain product lines.

It seems to me, that not only market in gallente high sec space is evaporating, but also industry cost indexes go down...

I've just seen a current Market Research Report on Dodixie

Is the general public aware of Cost indexes? I mean, is the bulk production of stuff dependent on it?

Id imagine that CCP is not only hoping that alphas are more likely to stick around now that the trial is unlimited, but also are hoping to pull veterans who have moved on back into the game full time. I'm sure many others may sub for a few months before they take a break again. I can see vets subbing up for a month or two at a time just to reinforce their friends if needed, or for an offensive.

This expansion allows vets who are busier in life to stay in contact with the community without paying a sub. That is what i like about it most.

I've just seen a current Market Research Report on Dodixie, and it's the best market I've ever seen. With a proper understanding of T1 production, it's at the moment an absolute isk printing opportunity. I made a third of a tril in Amarr; only out of courtesy do I not personally go here to slaughter it.

Again, the limiting factor is the number of items that can be produced in a day multiplied by their profit. The maximum factor is the daily average volume multiplied by profit, divided by active competitors. The lessor of the two will tell a producer what to build, and what BPOs to research. Every factor is available through CREST. Advanced concepts include managing capital, logistics, and price change strategies.

[quote=SJ Astralana]I've just seen a current Market Research Report on Dodixie, and it's the best market I've ever seen. With a proper understanding of T1 production, it's at the moment an absolute isk printing opportunity. I made a third of a tril in Amarr; only out of courtesy do I not personally go here to slaughter it.

Again, the limiting factor is the number of items that can be produced in a day multiplied by their profit. The maximum factor is the daily average volume multiplied by profit, divided by active competitors. The lessor of the two will tell a producer what to build, and what BPOs to research. Every factor is available through CREST. Advanced concepts include managing capital, logistics, and price change strategies.

Are you using something custom or 'off-the-shelf', so to speak, to make queries to CREST?

It's custom, but there's c# sources at https://bitbucket.org/jtdunlop/epm that could could be sliced into something workable. There's a console app that generates the report that could be hard-coded to a market hub. Not an easy job but others have got it running.

The real question is how will the new Alpha clones affect Hubs both player Hubs via Citadels and classical hubs such as Amarr and Dodixie?

I don't screw around much with manufacturing and trade but I was considering starting a manufacturing alt to take advantage of the infux of new players who will inevitable come due to free to play. Unfortunate due to RL I never got around to it.

The real question is how will the new Alpha clones affect Hubs both player Hubs via Citadels and classical hubs such as Amarr and Dodixie?

I don't screw around much with manufacturing and trade but I was considering starting a manufacturing alt to take advantage of the infux of new players who will inevitable come due to free to play. Unfortunate due to RL I never got around to it.

I remember as a newbie, I didn't care about fitting my ship at trade hubs. All I cared about was finding whatever weapons would fit my ship at the station I had docked to run missions. (For a long time, I actually thought Oursalert was the "capital" system of Eve since there was so many agents there. Anything I needed, I'd just search locally).

With Alpha newbies, they'll probably stay away from Jita and stick to their mission hubs (at least until they know better). Systems with alot of lvl 1-3 agents will probably be your best bet.