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The Fukuzawa New Eden Trade Group 9	Posted - 2016.08.02 08:51:45 - [1] - Quote Anyone else notice the decline of activity in the smaller hubs? I have nothing to back my opinion, I just feel like the smaller hubs are slowing down. Opinions please
John Volan Volan Enterprises 36	Posted - 2016.08.02 09:05:00 - [2] - Quote According to fuzzworks Dodixie has about a third of the orders that Jita has which seems about right to me, although I haven't exactly been keeping score.
The Fukuzawa New Eden Trade Group 9	Posted - 2016.08.02 09:21:33 - [3] - Quote John Volan wrote: According to fuzzworks Dodixie has about a third of the orders that Jita has which seems about right to me, although I haven't exactly been keeping score. That's not what I mean, I'm comparing Dodixie now to Dodixie a year ago, not to be confused with comparing Jita to Dodixie currently.
John Volan Volan Enterprises 36	Posted - 2016.08.02 09:49:55 - [4] - Quote My point was that I always remember Dodixie being that size proportionally to Jita, but I suppose all of the trade hubs might have diminished traffic along with the decreased login rates.
Drago Shouna Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 498	Posted - 2016.08.02 10:59:03 - [5] - Quote Sales have definitely slowed down. Some of the stuff I manufacture is taking much longer to shift now. I blame Brexit :)
Sabriz Adoudel Move along there is nothing here 5877	Posted - 2016.08.02 11:21:22 - [6] - Quote Dodi activity is in freefall. This works really, really well for me. I've been able to do things there that would never work in a more competitive market like price manipulations on high volume items. It's three factors. First and most important - the rise of near-zero fee trade Fortizars. It's now possible to source anything near Jita without undergoing the gank risk of docking at 4-4. Now you can get the same stuff at Perimeter Second - the sharp decline in Red Frog and similar services thanks to CODE activity over the last 2 years. Third - A declining playerbase means that Dodi is losing some of its critical mass. It's still possible to reliably source any item that players can mass produce that is under 5 billion in Dodi except officer mods. When/if this changes Dodi will go the way of Hek or even Oursalert. I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
Sabriz Adoudel Move along there is nothing here 5877	Posted - 2016.08.02 11:23:20 - [7] - Quote Drago Shouna wrote: Sales have definitely slowed down. Some of the stuff I manufacture is taking much longer to shift now. I blame Brexit :) On production - have you shifted your production to account for the smaller playerbase? I personally could probably produce enough Kronos hulls to meet the entire collective demand of the playerbase. I've had to diversify lately - the days of pumping out 3000 Magstab 2 per day knowing they'll all sell are long over. 3000 a day is just too big a percentage of overall demand. I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
Drago Shouna Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 498	Posted - 2016.08.02 11:36:29 - [8] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Drago Shouna wrote: Sales have definitely slowed down. Some of the stuff I manufacture is taking much longer to shift now. I blame Brexit :) On production - have you shifted your production to account for the smaller playerbase? I personally could probably produce enough Kronos hulls to meet the entire collective demand of the playerbase. I've had to diversify lately - the days of pumping out 3000 Magstab 2 per day knowing they'll all sell are long over. 3000 a day is just too big a percentage of overall demand. Yeah I have, several times. Certain things ie mining crystals, energy crystals, ammo which you would think would be in demand all seem to be struggling. Other things seem to move nicely but overall it's slowed down in Dodi. I've even mothballed a few blueprints due to a lack of sales now, or so slow it's wasting a sales slot.
William Legrand-Marx Nemesis Ad Astra RUST415 17	Posted - 2016.08.02 12:43:57 - [9] - Quote The Fukuzawa wrote: John Volan wrote: According to fuzzworks Dodixie has about a third of the orders that Jita has which seems about right to me, although I haven't exactly been keeping score. That's not what I mean, I'm comparing Dodixie now to Dodixie a year ago, not to be confused with comparing Jita to Dodixie currently. I am not mentioning player base here... There is nothing worthy in this world even if others think it is worth something...
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2729	Posted - 2016.08.02 18:19:42 - [10] - Quote Same observation here, nothing unexpected though. This is the logical consequence of introducing prohibitive fees to trade. Jita/Perimeter is the only public hub left of significant volume. Also alliance manufacturing and trade has moved to non-public markets and Citadels. I'm my own NPC alt.

Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 12727	Posted - 2016.08.02 20:26:50 - [11] - Quote William Legrand-Marx wrote: The Fukuzawa wrote: John Volan wrote: According to fuzzworks Dodixie has about a third of the orders that Jita has which seems about right to me, although I haven't exactly been keeping score. That's not what I mean, I'm comparing Dodixie now to Dodixie a year ago, not to be confused with comparing Jita to Dodixie currently. I am not mentioning player base here... Did you forget to log in with your alt when replying? Enquiring minds want to know! Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi . Bumble's Space Log
The Fukuzawa New Eden Trade Group 9	Posted - 2016.08.02 23:18:53 - [12] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: William Legrand-Marx wrote: The Fukuzawa wrote: John Volan wrote: According to fuzzworks Dodixie has about a third of the orders that Jita has which seems about right to me, although I haven't exactly been keeping score. That's not what I mean, I'm comparing Dodixie now to Dodixie a year ago, not to be confused with comparing Jita to Dodixie currently. I am not mentioning player base here... Did you forget to log in with your alt when replying? Enquiring minds want to know! Hey bumble-bozo, I know it is hard for you, but please stay on topic you clown.
The Fukuzawa New Eden Trade Group 9	Posted - 2016.08.02 23:22:03 - [13] - Quote Interesting times ahead, I would have never thought that hubs as we have known them for years may slowly disappear.
Robby Rova Rova Capital 49	Posted - 2016.08.04 06:09:17 - [14] - Quote The Fukuzawa wrote: Bumblefck wrote: William Legrand-Marx wrote: The Fukuzawa wrote: John Volan wrote: According to fuzzworks Dodixie has about a third of the orders that Jita has which seems about right to me, although I haven't exactly been keeping score. That's not what I mean, I'm comparing Dodixie now to Dodixie a year ago, not to be confused with comparing Jita to Dodixie currently. I am not mentioning player base here... Did you forget to log in with your alt when replying? Enquiring minds want to know! Hey bumble-bozo, I know it is hard for you, but please stay on topic you clown. confirmed
Sabriz Adoudel Move along there is nothing here 5878	Posted - 2016.08.04 08:54:08 - [15] - Quote The Fukuzawa wrote: Interesting times ahead, I would have never thought that hubs as we have known them for years may slowly disappear. Jita will have a phenomenal amount of inertia, just due to the hundreds of trillions of ISK in assets that are stockpiled there. Just Chribba's Veldspar collection (0.01 T units) is a thousand freighter loads. That's not moving easily. I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2730	Posted - 2016.08.04 11:48:19 - [16] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: The Fukuzawa wrote: Interesting times ahead, I would have never thought that hubs as we have known them for years may slowly disappear. Jita will have a phenomenal amount of inertia, just due to the hundreds of trillions of ISK in assets that are stockpiled there. Jita/Perimeter will probably survive and the other hubs will still have stock of the most basic daily use items. But there are more and more items which are exclusively (in public) traded in Jita. I'm my own NPC alt.
Skeeter Schlong Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness 0	Posted - 2016.08.04 18:10:45 - [17] - Quote Rather than using observation, let's try some hard numbers. (with citations!) In February, trade volume was $42.2 trillion. That declined to $19.4 trillion by July. February: http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/70094/1/02_-_LBAeCSa.png July: http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/70454/1/1_regional.stats.png That sounds like solid evidence of a decline, but you also have to look at Jita and Amarr. They both experienced about the same 50 percent decline. So, most likely, it's not that Dodixie is declining. All the hubs are. There's a pretty obvious reason this is happening. Manbearpig. He's ruining Eve.
Elizabeth Norn Nornir Research 936	Posted - 2016.08.04 20:16:28 - [18] - Quote Skeeter Schlong wrote: Rather than using observation, let's try some hard numbers. (with citations!) In February, trade volume was $42.2 trillion. That declined to $19.4 trillion by July. February: http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/70094/1/02_-_LBAeCSa.png July: http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/70454/1/1_regional.stats.png That sounds like solid evidence of a decline, but you also have to look at Jita and Amarr. They both experienced about the same 50 percent decline. So, most likely, it's not that Dodixie is declining. All the hubs are. There's a pretty obvious reason this is happening. Manbearpig. He's ruining Eve. I'm inclined to believe that July's figures are closer to the 'norm' than previous months. In February Skill Injectors were added to the game, which are still very popular, and an incredible amount were sold in the first weeks (36.4k on the first day, ~173k in the first week). In February 203.7T ISK worth of Skill Injectors were traded, the following months were 150.2T, 150.6T, 116T, 100.4T, and finally 95.7T ISK in July. This doesn't include the trade value of Skill Extractors or PLEX, the latter of which had a large increase in sales volume over the last few months. From March to May we had World War Bee which saw a higher PCU than average, also it appears that there have been several large scale evacuations from null sec space, I imagine some of that will have ended up being dumped to Jita buy orders. September 2015: http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/68738/1/regional.stats.png February 2016: http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/70094/1/02_-_LBAeCSa.png March 2016: http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/70162/1/1_regional.stats.png April 2016: http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/70258/1/1_regional.stats.png May 2016: http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/70343/1/1_regional.stats.png June 2016: http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/70401/1/1_regional.stats.png July 2016: http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/70454/1/1_regional.stats.png
Epsilon Dog Viziam Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2016.08.05 10:10:48 - [19] - Quote The Fukuzawa wrote: John Volan wrote: According to fuzzworks Dodixie has about a third of the orders that Jita has which seems about right to me, although I haven't exactly been keeping score. That's not what I mean, I'm comparing Dodixie now to Dodixie a year ago, not to be confused with comparing Jita to Dodixie currently. Possibly buff to ship EHP, and skill injection. It is easier to move goods now to Jita from whole eve, and your 5mil sp freighter pilot not only can make isk from hauling, but extracting him give you additional income. Goods are to easy and cheap to move now.
Sabriz Adoudel Move along there is nothing here 5878	Posted - 2016.08.05 11:34:45 - [20] - Quote Epsilon Dog wrote: The Fukuzawa wrote: John Volan wrote: According to fuzzworks Dodixie has about a third of the orders that Jita has which seems about right to me, although I haven't exactly been keeping score. That's not what I mean, I'm comparing Dodixie now to Dodixie a year ago, not to be confused with comparing Jita to Dodixie currently. Possibly buff to ship EHP, and skill injection. It is easier to move goods now to Jita from whole eve, and your 5mil sp freighter pilot not only can make isk from hauling, but extracting him give you additional income. Goods are to easy and cheap to move now. Goods are harder and more expensive to move than they were 3 years ago (before CODE. started hitting freighters, and back when the 'Autopilot To Zero' exploit was in widespread use). Red Frog used to charge 5.6 million to haul a billion isk freighter from Jita to Dodixie. They now quote 26m, about a 350% increase. Individual couriers used to do it for 4m, now contracts sit around a while at 14m. I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".

TheSmokingHertog Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium 419	Posted - 2016.08.05 15:20:28 - [21] - Quote As trader, I would suggest looking at the higher NPC taxes for people trading at the smaller hubs. People who had low margins and did trade on the smaller hubs or did seed local pockets of space. Have some stuff working against them atm. First they loose from Citadel competition, because; - They don't understand how it works - Its new market ways and they simple did not take time to invest the mechanic - They are afraid for asset safety - They don't use citadels out of habit - Contracts where not ending in Citadels Secondly they loose of income due to supply chain costs; - More taxes on normal supply chain lines, will decrease profit on a lot of products, the masses will drop products that are no longer feasible in profit margin. Third; Critical mass in turnover on local hubs - With less turnover in market, due to local supply simply disappearing due to higher taxes in the supply chain, has a few consequences; * Existing wholesalers will drop prices even further, in favor of turnover, to maintain critical mass in their portfolios, what is even encouraged by citadel strategies. * People with small volumes can not afford the risk of selling at near margins at smaller hubs, they will ship to hubs with higher volume to have sales when the market peaks. * When people with stocks in local market hubs, want to leave the market due to lower returns. They will dump in market, or move the stocks. The dumping of ISK that is hold up in their hangers creates a lower market price on local products. Inter regional traders will all avoid markets where dumping occurs by locals or competition, which leads to less turnover (again). * Besides the above, stocks that need to make turnover will be moved by people who can afford logistics to place it in hubs that have the turnover to generate ISK. The bigger inter regional wholesalers, have no problem with lower margins, as long as the turnover on their product keeps the critical mass cq healthy profits EVE wide. When Citadel trading was announced, I suggested on forums that the new tax scheme would consolidate tredevolumes even more. Since that is the most logical outcome, based on the described stuff above and in this thread. It seems its happening already. "Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X "Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron -= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 5764	Posted - 2016.08.07 21:48:48 - [22] - Quote Oursalert: my first trades happened there, a long, long time ago. Seeing it mentioned above, brings me memories. EvE Online portal \| EvE markets tutorials
Rhivre TarNec Invisible Exchequer 928	Posted - 2016.08.07 22:48:49 - [23] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Oursalert: my first trades happened there, a long, long time ago. Seeing it mentioned above, brings me memories. Oursalert was a very nice place way back in ye olde days Fluffy Bunny Pic!
Hel O'Ween Men On A Mission 159	Posted - 2016.08.08 16:49:00 - [24] - Quote Indeed. Ours was also my first foray into trading. Took me six month to sell a Claymore there, though ... Kinda strange that Dodixie was "only" the main mission runner hub back then, and Ours the major Gallenet trade hub. EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager.
Zenbor Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2016.08.09 18:37:34 - [25] - Quote The Fukuzawa wrote: Opinions please The game is just dying away.
Jin Kugu Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 44	Posted - 2016.08.10 11:23:14 - [26] - Quote Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Dodi activity is in freefall. This works really, really well for me. I've been able to do things there that would never work in a more competitive market like price manipulations on high volume items. It's three factors. First and most important - the rise of near-zero fee trade Fortizars. It's now possible to source anything near Jita without undergoing the gank risk of docking at 4-4. Now you can get the same stuff at Perimeter Second - the sharp decline in Red Frog and similar services thanks to CODE activity over the last 2 years. Third - A declining playerbase means that Dodi is losing some of its critical mass. It's still possible to reliably source any item that players can mass produce that is under 5 billion in Dodi except officer mods. When/if this changes Dodi will go the way of Hek or even Oursalert. Ganking has no serious effect on inter regional trade anymore. DSTs carry small valuable stuff, freighters haul bulk stuff. Only idiots die and Red Frog will haul anything safely 99.99% of the time.
Sabriz Adoudel Move along there is nothing here 5881	Posted - 2016.08.10 13:11:39 - [27] - Quote Jin Kugu wrote: Sabriz Adoudel wrote: Dodi activity is in freefall. This works really, really well for me. I've been able to do things there that would never work in a more competitive market like price manipulations on high volume items. It's three factors. First and most important - the rise of near-zero fee trade Fortizars. It's now possible to source anything near Jita without undergoing the gank risk of docking at 4-4. Now you can get the same stuff at Perimeter Second - the sharp decline in Red Frog and similar services thanks to CODE activity over the last 2 years. Third - A declining playerbase means that Dodi is losing some of its critical mass. It's still possible to reliably source any item that players can mass produce that is under 5 billion in Dodi except officer mods. When/if this changes Dodi will go the way of Hek or even Oursalert. Ganking has no serious effect on inter regional trade anymore. DSTs carry small valuable stuff, freighters haul bulk stuff. Only idiots die and Red Frog will haul anything safely 99.99% of the time. Have another look at Red Frog's prices. Let me remind you. 2013: Jita to Dodi, freighter parcel, 1b collateral: ~5.6 million ISK 2016: Jita to Dodi, freighter parcel, 1b collateral: ~26 million ISK. You can pretend CODE. doesn't matter, but facts do not lie. And Red Frog, as the biggest hauling corp, understand the actual risks because they insure them. I agree with you that only idiots get ganked. (A freighter pilot flying blind, without a scout, is by default an idiot). Fact is, there are so many idiots that they warp the game economy. Ganking in Uedama alone is one of the largest mineral sinks in the game because a never-ending stream of idiots refuse to exercise the minimum due dilligence needed to avoid expensive lessons, and fail to learn those lessons until they are taught them several times. I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
orionbeta Romanus Sica 4	Posted - 2016.08.11 19:32:23 - [28] - Quote I do alot of hauling through the Haulers chat channel by Rita Jita and just want to point some things out as the cost of shipping as been mentioned more then a few times here. 1. Code and friends are making a very large difference on the costs of shipping. More and more people are moving to DST, however they are expecting the same reward per jump as they where getting with there freighter with a heck of alot less cargo space. 2. Three or four of the major builders that I haul for often have moved with-in the ring. The ring defined as a system I can get into with-out having to go through Nijara, Sipralla, ETC. (Spelling is wrong, sorry im at work). 3. With the new manufacturing arrays or whatever they will be called are going to have a huge impact on Jita I believe. If they work like Citidals there will really be no limit on how many a system can have. More and more builders move there operations with-in the ring and the risk will drop ALOT. 4. Rens trade has dropped so much I dont even know how to compare it. I buy alot of minerals there and haul them to seed in other hubs. It used to take me mere hours to fill a 100 mill trit buy order. Now, it can take 12 hours easy. And alot of traders have moved on, so alot less 0.01 wars. Just my 2cents. Fly Safe, Orion
Toobo Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium 41	Posted - 2016.08.11 23:56:40 - [29] - Quote orionbeta wrote: 4. Rens trade has dropped so much I dont even know how to compare it. I buy alot of minerals there and haul them to seed in other hubs. It used to take me mere hours to fill a 100 mill trit buy order. Now, it can take 12 hours easy. And alot of traders have moved on, so alot less 0.01 wars. This... Yes Dodixie has declined, but Rens has declined to disastrously low level. I haven't looked at statistics or such, but I do log in regularly at Rens and the local count is horribly low these days. Toobo is a lucky talisman. Try Toobo's lucky referral link at the awesome iwantisk website and have a great time http://www.iwantisk.com/?ref=1216023697 Remeber - you win by luck and lose by luck. Don't go crazy. ;)
Princess Adhara University of Caille Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2016.08.12 00:40:45 - [30] - Quote Toobo wrote: orionbeta wrote: 4. Rens trade has dropped so much I dont even know how to compare it. I buy alot of minerals there and haul them to seed in other hubs. It used to take me mere hours to fill a 100 mill trit buy order. Now, it can take 12 hours easy. And alot of traders have moved on, so alot less 0.01 wars. This... Yes Dodixie has declined, but Rens has declined to disastrously low level. I haven't looked at statistics or such, but I do log in regularly at Rens and the local count is horribly low these days. To me it looks like the only thing left in Rens are trading alts. Orders are still being frequently updated but rarely fulfilled. Producers and consumers seem to have gone elsewhere to trade/look for goods.



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