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Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
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Posted - 2016.08.04 11:51:08 -
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As title, what makes you want to log in to eve and what makes you log out? |
Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2016.08.04 12:15:36 -
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Usually, it's either making some good ISK, or having a blast with the corpies.
Currently, I'm not motivated, though. No corpies, got ok ISK for now, and CCP is going through one of their shittier phases, with the forced in-station TV ads, not quite complete citadels, and numerous bugs.
I had a CTD bug due to, I believe, an incompatibility between the in-station big screens and the SLI setup on my (older) Nvidia video cards; I ended up upgrading my video cards to a single, more modern card before they had a chance to fix the bug, because it was going to take forever, but I ended up using the improved frames-per-second to play other games. I have about 3 to catch up on.
So I'm queued up for 6 months and probably won't log in much.
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Rogwar Toralen
EVE University Ivy League
22
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Posted - 2016.08.04 12:27:50 -
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Learning new stuff. Having fun with friends in fleets. |
Maekchu
Gunpoint Diplomacy
371
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Posted - 2016.08.04 13:16:59 -
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What makes me want to log into EvE is shooting stuff and explosions, my own included.
What makes me want to log out, is the general risk-averse nature of EvE players. |
Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy Caldari State
87
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Posted - 2016.08.04 13:22:10 -
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New signatures in the wormhole and the chance to pay a visit to some good neighbour whs |
Kei Nagasai
X-COM Navy Fidelas Constans
6
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Posted - 2016.08.04 13:23:17 -
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Building the war-machines that people use to kill each other, the bigger the war-machine, the happier I am. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
17203
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Posted - 2016.08.04 13:31:50 -
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To crush my enemies, to see them driven before me, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
As for logging off, only as part of a trap
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Caco De'mon
New Order Logistics CODE.
23
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Posted - 2016.08.04 13:49:15 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:As title, what makes you want to log in to eve and what makes you log out?
I log-in each day to help spread the word of HighSec's savoir, James 315.
I log-out each day when my blasters run dry.
*"See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
8504
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Posted - 2016.08.04 14:03:47 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:To crush my enemies, to see them driven before me, and to hear the lamentations of the ir women bears.
FTFD
Gÿ+
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper: 'Hodor'.
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
416
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Posted - 2016.08.04 14:04:27 -
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I like to log into loads of new signatures to scan down, especially long wormhole chains, like a thread I just keep pulling until there's an end which could be good sites to run or some chance at PvP. Even better is when I feel immersed in the game and there's some lore feels to be had.
I log out because I also play Real Life.
@lunettelulu7
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
340
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Posted - 2016.08.04 14:09:25 -
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Boredom makes me log-in and pretty much every *feature* from the last two years makes me want to log out again.
- New UI - In-station billboards - New map / dscan (I don't use those) - New camera - ...
The citadels are shiny, though. Like those.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Roci Nantes
Spongeworks Ltd. Snuggle Struggle.
39
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Posted - 2016.08.04 14:17:20 -
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Building a new ship, taking it out into the stars and doing things with bros. Most things revolve around making isk in order to fund the "fun machine"
The only thing that is rage inducing in the game to me, is the citadels. Some of the systems are no more than space junk yards. I hate seeing these heaping piles of scrap everywhere I turn. That is simply because it kills my "captin kirk" space immersion. The reality is, eve is more like space costco. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14377
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Posted - 2016.08.04 14:20:55 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:As title, what makes you want to log in to eve and what makes you log out?
Log in: A stupid idea for a new way to kill some NPCs and get some loot.
Log Out: Watching a stupidly fit PVE ship that never stood a chance to succeed despite my intensive EFT Warrioring skills explode because it was a bad idea to begin with...
But seriously, I log in to play with my friends and contribute to my team (corp/alliance), try new stuff (see above about explosions), relax after a long day of dealing with idiots and to enjoy something I can't in real life.
I log out when it's time to go to bed, or when it's family time, or otherwise when real life calls.
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Varcutii Renalard
48
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Posted - 2016.08.04 14:59:17 -
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Corpmates. Best awesome corp members :) |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
14174
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Posted - 2016.08.04 15:17:07 -
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Huge unexplored areas of space, where I can go and steal dank modules from dirty pirate outposts. \o/
As for log out, its usually night and everybody else is sleeping.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him.
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Sonya Corvinus
Static-Noise Upholders
434
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Posted - 2016.08.04 15:17:20 -
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I'm motivated to log in to temporarily ignore the god-awful monotony that is the soul-crushing experience of day-to-day adult life. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1286
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Posted - 2016.08.04 15:24:27 -
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Spaceships. Just spaceships.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Crystalline Entity
Outdated Host Productions Darwinism.
45
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Posted - 2016.08.04 15:33:24 -
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To crush my enemies. See them driven before me. Hearing the lamentations of their women |
Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
560
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Posted - 2016.08.04 15:40:56 -
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Still on a quest to become a better pilot. In order to do this, I have had to teach myself to not rely on killboards. Learn how to whelp blindly into stuff; learn how to kite better, dodge better, pilot manually; experiment with new fits for old ships and undock some of the more expensive ones that were gathering dust.
It may sound funny but concentrating on the actual combat rather than trying to minimize the risk (and losses) was something I needed to learn for I had come to think of loss as something to be avoided- whereas in fact initiating combat under uncertain or sub-optimal conditions is more rewarding if you pull it off and even if you don't it's still more entertaining.
I log in to see what I can do, where I should improve... what motivates me? Pitting my skill against yours, and see who emerges victorious! (or is what horrible way I will die today LOL) |
Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
525
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Posted - 2016.08.04 15:48:52 -
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Maekchu wrote:What makes me want to log into EvE is shooting stuff and explosions, my own included.
What makes me want to log out, is the general risk-averse nature of EvE players.
I'd be willing to bet you might be in that 'risk averse' crowd.
Ask yourself a simple question, do you always seek a fair or underdog fight? If the answer is yes, then you are not in the risk averse crowd. If the answer is no, then you are in the same crowd, just a ship to ship PvPer.
The risky behavior crowd in ANY MMO is extremely small, likely less than 2% of the player base.
Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game
-- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
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Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
527
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Posted - 2016.08.04 15:53:33 -
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My motivation is I enjoy the game. I'm finding out all the great things I can do in it. There's always something new to try to become good at.
EVE is my game, made my way, played the way I feel like it. The mistakes are mine to own, the victories mine to own. The people are great, even the rotten eggs, and the game devs seem to give a damn about me as a player, so all's good.
Fly Smart! o7
Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game
-- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
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Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
623
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Posted - 2016.08.04 16:05:00 -
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Maekchu wrote:What makes me want to log into EvE is shooting stuff and explosions, my own included.
What makes me want to log out, is the general risk-averse nature of EvE players. That's what makes it all the more sweet when you kill them. If Eve didn't encourage risk averse behaviour then it would just be like every other meat grinder multiplayer type game where you don't really care if you kill or get killed because you simply respawn with all your stuff.
Modulated ECM Effects
An Alternative to Skill Trading
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
14174
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Posted - 2016.08.04 16:27:25 -
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I know what motivates her.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14378
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Posted - 2016.08.04 17:20:50 -
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Moac Tor wrote:Maekchu wrote:What makes me want to log into EvE is shooting stuff and explosions, my own included.
What makes me want to log out, is the general risk-averse nature of EvE players. That's what makes it all the more sweet when you kill them. If Eve didn't encourage risk averse behaviour then it would just be like every other meat grinder multiplayer type game where you don't really care if you kill or get killed because you simply respawn with all your stuff.
+1
Also, there is a difference between overly risk averse behavior, and smart game play. Not taking an even odds fight (or a fight where the odds are *only* slightly in your favor) is overly risk averse behavior. Running away from a 15 man gang when you are by yourself in NOT risk aversion , staying would be stupid most of the time.
I've heard people say "we need to get rid of killmails because if you did people would pvp more". Same for the whole "insurance should pay for everything" suggestions people have floated around. Totally bad ideas, losing something in EVE is supposed to hurt, you are supposed to dislike getting hurt, and that makes getting actual kills that much sweeter, because you know it hurts lol.
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Yokai Mitsuhide
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
7074
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Posted - 2016.08.04 17:21:49 -
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The experiences you can't get on any other game is what keeps me motivated. The rush you get when doing something like pvp...I've done tons of pvp in other games but never have I had the feelings EVE can give you. First time I did pvp in this game, my hands were shaking...I forgot how to play almost entirely for a moment or remember to even activate my ships modules. I've never found that kind of rush in another game. The community is a big part of it, all the stories players can tell you that sound like they are straight out of a novel or a movie. Even the people you don't like provide awesome content in which to read about or take part in. There are more but those things alone will always keep me loving this game. Even when you "quit" or take breaks...you know you're going to go back, EVE becomes a part of your life. |
Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
101
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Posted - 2016.08.04 17:26:03 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:As title, what makes you want to log in to eve and what makes you log out? flying with corpies and stuff, but they don't really exist right now so..... |
Maekchu
Gunpoint Diplomacy
373
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Posted - 2016.08.04 19:14:46 -
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Pandora Carrollon wrote:Maekchu wrote:What makes me want to log into EvE is shooting stuff and explosions, my own included.
What makes me want to log out, is the general risk-averse nature of EvE players. I'd be willing to bet you might be in that 'risk averse' crowd. Ask yourself a simple question, do you always seek a fair or underdog fight? If the answer is yes, then you are not in the risk averse crowd. If the answer is no, then you are in the same crowd, just a ship to ship PvPer. The risky behavior crowd in ANY MMO is extremely small, likely less than 2% of the player base. You take smart fights. Some fights are just plain stupid. But yes, I do tend to take fights that are not always in my favor.
Probably happens a bit less these days, since I'm spending time with my newly recruited corpmates and just wait a bit for their skills to catch up, while creating some stable isk income.
But if you would have checked KB stats before posting, then you would see that my kb ain't all that green. And there are plenty of T1 frigs vs factions frigs, T1 frigs vs dessies, some T1 frigs vs cruisers (Although taking on cruisers have become rather hard) and some T1 frigs vs battlecruisers. Solo with no links.
But I suppose, I am risk-averse after all. But it's really nothing compared to how risk averse the rest of EvE is. So many people have fled my T1 frigates, even if I've given them a favorable fight like against a faction frig or dessie. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2732
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Posted - 2016.08.04 19:27:24 -
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Do stuff, relax after work. There is never not something to do, fleet action, solo roaming, industry jobs / hauling, PI, market orders, ...
I'm my own NPC alt.
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17808
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Posted - 2016.08.04 19:42:08 -
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Putting together some sort of crazy contraption or scheme and somehow getting it to work.
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Eleonora Crendraven
Global Communications AG
22
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Posted - 2016.08.04 19:50:46 -
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Making mistakes: some small, some with REAL impact on your play. (Oh, sh... that was not the amount of ISK I wanted to sell that for...)
Seeing all these people buying things from you. Making money to build new stuff people can buy :) And collecting things, like skill books, offices, ISK...
Sometimes blowing up the stuff just built. But just sometimes.
https://twitter.com/gcAG_EVE
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Dibz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
98
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Posted - 2016.08.04 20:03:02 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:As title, what makes you want to log in to eve
Boredom.
Caleb Seremshur wrote:and what makes you log out?
Boredom. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
12739
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Posted - 2016.08.04 20:08:50 -
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Motivation
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
Bumble's Space Log
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Moac Tor
Cyber Core Stain Confederation
625
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Posted - 2016.08.04 20:32:09 -
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Maekchu wrote:But if you would have checked KB stats before posting, then you would see that my kb ain't all that green. And there are plenty of T1 frigs vs factions frigs, T1 frigs vs dessies, some T1 frigs vs cruisers (Although taking on cruisers have become rather hard) and some T1 frigs vs battlecruisers. Solo with no links. Well there is your problem right there. Fly something more substantial than a t1 frig and people might consider it a worthwhile fight and engage you.
Modulated ECM Effects
An Alternative to Skill Trading
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Gwenaelle de Ardevon
Ordum Eternam
3935
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Posted - 2016.08.04 20:34:17 -
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To sell guns to everyone & everybody and not ask them what use they will make from ... like a real warmonger
«An hour sitting with a pretty girl on a park bench passes like a minute, but a minute sitting on a hot stove seems like an hour».
Albert Einstein - [11, S. 154]
More Quotes, Poetry & Prose on: https://gwenaelledeardevon.wordpress.com/
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Chewytowel Haklar
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
232
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Posted - 2016.08.04 20:34:56 -
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People
Simply it is the people that make me log into the game. This game without people would be utter ****. |
Maekchu
Gunpoint Diplomacy
373
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Posted - 2016.08.04 20:38:25 -
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Moac Tor wrote:Maekchu wrote:But if you would have checked KB stats before posting, then you would see that my kb ain't all that green. And there are plenty of T1 frigs vs factions frigs, T1 frigs vs dessies, some T1 frigs vs cruisers (Although taking on cruisers have become rather hard) and some T1 frigs vs battlecruisers. Solo with no links. Well there is your problem right there. Fly something more substantial than a t1 frig and people might consider it a worthwhile fight and engage you. Flying around solo in FW, or at least I was. Fine space for frigate PvP.
You can get fights with every ship, you don't need to fly blingy ships to get fights. You will actually find, the blingier ships you fly solo, the worse engagements you will get, cause no one will solo you and instead they just come with a whole blob. Again, talking to the general risk-averse nature of EvE players.
I did get decent engagements, but there is just something funny when faction frigates and dessies run from a solo T1.
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Serene Repose
2590
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Posted - 2016.08.04 22:59:11 -
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Just so absolutely *etarded to say what other players don't do affects what you do. If you don't like other players way of doing things, just burn your computer, get yourself a backpack full of nutrition, go sit on a lonely mountain top looking down on the world and feel superior.
We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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Jasmine Deer
Perkone Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2016.08.04 23:07:30 -
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Making stuff Flying different ships and trying different modules. Scheduled joint operations.
Gatecamps. Others in my TZ saying they are logging off as it is late.
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Valerius Ravin
7
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Posted - 2016.08.04 23:58:17 -
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It's a question I daren't ask myself, in fear of not coming up with a satisfying answer anymore. |
Nafre Attano
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2016.08.05 00:18:59 -
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It's nice to interact with players that are generally (there are always exceptions) more intellectual and mature than those of other MMORPGs. |
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Chewytowel Haklar
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
232
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Posted - 2016.08.05 01:15:44 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Just so absolutely *etarded to say what other players don't do affects what you do. If you don't like other players way of doing things, just burn your computer, get yourself a backpack full of nutrition, go sit on a lonely mountain top looking down on the world and feel superior.
I'm not gonna lie, that actually sounds pretty relaxing and interesting. |
May Arethusa
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
189
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Posted - 2016.08.05 03:05:22 -
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Their tears make me log in.
My own make me log out.
I don't know, I have nothing better to do I guess. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy
10349
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Posted - 2016.08.05 03:40:57 -
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I am surprised this has not been posted yet.
What is best in life?
edit: for a more modern take: https://youtu.be/4VRtRnWoFo0?t=17s
How did you Veterans start?
The Mustache and Beard Thread
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Cait Nathair
Ciggy Butt Brains. Circle-Of-Two
19
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Posted - 2016.08.05 16:55:23 -
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My corp- and alliance-mates.
Fleets.
My drive to go out and get kills and killed and learn new things in-game.
Make dank iskies.
Overall have fun.
That's the stuff that makes me log in, as far as logging out. . .I log out when it's time to go to bed. I'm on all day, but not always at my keyboard as I'm juggling real life as a domestic engineer with life as a capsuleer, so I'm constantly being pulled away when I'm not in a fleet. Sometimes I even have to drop fleet or press the pause button on ratting, mining, recruiting or what have you to go take care of whatever calls for me in the real world. I don't press the log out button, though, until I'm drowsy and ready to lay my head on the pillows and let sleep take me away for 6-8 hours.
Life as a crippled domestic engineer is what brought me here, and it's what keeps me here. It gives me what I'll never have. |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1005
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Posted - 2016.08.05 18:19:26 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:As title, what makes you want to log in to eve ...
My corp mates. Without fun people to talk to, this game is too much like a job. After that, in no particular order, rage, tears, isk, fights, sex, candy, bourbon, scotch, and beer.
Caleb Seremshur wrote:... and what makes you log out? My wife, Tuxford resetting the wrong server, boredom. Oh, and downtime.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
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ISD Buldath
isd star
410
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Posted - 2016.08.05 19:48:37 -
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Getting to spend all of this wonderful time with all of you Forum friends!
~ISD Buldath
Commander
Support, Training and Resources Division
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to EVE-Mails regarding forum moderation.
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
566
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Posted - 2016.08.05 20:16:08 -
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SP accumulation, isk goals, exploration, and trying the different aspects of the game.
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Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
31719
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Posted - 2016.08.05 23:46:36 -
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Chewytowel Haklar wrote:Serene Repose wrote:Just so absolutely *etarded to say what other players don't do affects what you do. If you don't like other players way of doing things, just burn your computer, get yourself a backpack full of nutrition, go sit on a lonely mountain top looking down on the world and feel superior. I'm not gonna lie, that actually sounds pretty relaxing and interesting.
the nature of existence demands that there is no opting out of having an effect on everyone else ... ... directly or indirectly ... ... even over hundred corners.
if you were a variable and removed yourself from the reality-equation ... ... you would change the current and future progress of said equation.
obviously it would be different than if you stayed in it.
therefore there is no way of not influencing whats going on.
philosophy! :D
edit: thats also my answer. eve is GREAT for diving into philosophical questions! i have no motivation in the usual sense.
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Jagd Wilde
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
10
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Posted - 2016.08.06 00:10:35 -
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I log in just to read the Anti-Ganking chan some days. |
Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
831
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Posted - 2016.08.06 06:37:07 -
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Well now that we're 3 pages in I guess it's time to give my reasons. Log in: talk **** to people and run industry jobs. Log out: pretty much every other facet of the game is boring for me. After 7 years of dealing with timezone differences and stagnant pve which gets performed due to said timezone problems I've arrived at a point where I'm done with anything not related to instant gratification. I spend more time pvping on sisi than I do on all activities combined on TQ because I'm completely burnt out from grinding - whether it is mining, pve or FW/null bullshit.
I started this thread to see if the reasons I have for my behaviour were analogous to the motivations of others and at some levels its the same but certainly my tolerance for the tedium of day to day stuff on TQ has now dminished to dead 0.
So I'd like to thank everyone who left a comment here it has been very enlightening for me. I hope you all have learnt something too. |
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Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
31724
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Posted - 2016.08.06 06:58:59 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Well now that we're 3 pages in I guess it's time to give my reasons. Log in: talk **** to people and run industry jobs. Log out: pretty much every other facet of the game is boring for me. After 7 years of dealing with timezone differences and stagnant pve which gets performed due to said timezone problems I've arrived at a point where I'm done with anything not related to instant gratification. I spend more time pvping on sisi than I do on all activities combined on TQ because I'm completely burnt out from grinding - whether it is mining, pve or FW/null bullshit.
I started this thread to see if the reasons I have for my behaviour were analogous to the motivations of others and at some levels its the same but certainly my tolerance for the tedium of day to day stuff on TQ has now dminished to dead 0.
So I'd like to thank everyone who left a comment here it has been very enlightening for me. I hope you all have learnt something too. I have a question. I think your perspective is in slight need of actualization.
PvE in pretty much every game, including EVE, already is instant gratification. Why would you think otherwise? It shares all the attributes with all the other PvE in other games.
You grind a little, get a little reward, level up. You grind a little more, get a little more reward, level up. You grind a lot more, get a lot more reward, level up.
Didn't people warn you not to play the game like all the others, because that's a fruitless approach? Of course you got burnt out!
And what dods this part mean?
Quote:pretty much every other facet of the game is boring for me. After 7 years of dealing with timezone differences and stagnant pve That's seriously contradictionary! Did you do PvE for seven years or did you actually play the game and explore every facet of it?
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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coik el tuerto
Trillium Invariant Honorable Third Party
3
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Posted - 2016.08.06 11:00:21 -
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Cause fear, neglect content,demoralize and kill provi noobs |
Pinkylein
Rolling Static Sleeping Dragons
24
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Posted - 2016.08.06 14:21:15 -
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There is simply nothing else i am in mood doing after work. So i log in and hope to make as much as possible ISK in a short time
And on weekends ... just too lazy to do something else |
Lucy Lollipops
State War Academy Caldari State
91
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Posted - 2016.08.06 14:58:03 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Caleb Seremshur wrote:Well now that we're 3 pages in I guess it's time to give my reasons. Log in: talk **** to people and run industry jobs. Log out: pretty much every other facet of the game is boring for me. After 7 years of dealing with timezone differences and stagnant pve which gets performed due to said timezone problems I've arrived at a point where I'm done with anything not related to instant gratification. I spend more time pvping on sisi than I do on all activities combined on TQ because I'm completely burnt out from grinding - whether it is mining, pve or FW/null bullshit.
I started this thread to see if the reasons I have for my behaviour were analogous to the motivations of others and at some levels its the same but certainly my tolerance for the tedium of day to day stuff on TQ has now dminished to dead 0.
So I'd like to thank everyone who left a comment here it has been very enlightening for me. I hope you all have learnt something too. I have a question. I think your perspective is in slight need of actualization. PvE in pretty much every game, including EVE, already is instant gratification. Why would you think otherwise? It shares all the attributes with all the other PvE in other games. You grind a little, get a little reward, level up. You grind a little more, get a little more reward, level up. You grind a lot more, get a lot more reward, level up. Didn't people warn you not to play the game like all the others, because that's a fruitless approach? Of course you got burnt out! And what dods this part mean? Quote:pretty much every other facet of the game is boring for me. After 7 years of dealing with timezone differences and stagnant pve That's seriously contradictionary! Did you do PvE for seven years or did you actually play the game and explore every facet of it?
Maybe if you grind the same things for 7 years you are absolutely bored?
I mean, in fantasy games you grind new fresh dungeons every some months and here you grind the same dungeons all time?
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Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.06 15:07:52 -
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Lucy Lollipops wrote:Maybe if you grind the same things for 7 years you are absolutely bored?
I mean, in fantasy games you grind new fresh dungeons every some months and here you grind the same dungeons all time You mean it being an act out of boredom?
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Skyler Mind
Klungels second hand spaceshipparts Kids With Guns Alliance
10
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Posted - 2016.08.08 13:45:01 -
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The stories that build up, good ones and bad ones. All the other MMO everyone experienced the same thing , or what it was designed for. In EVE everyday is a different story that builds up. Also you know the impact that you have by hitting rocks or primary a shinny ship.
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Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
534
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Posted - 2016.08.08 16:37:52 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Also, there is a difference between overly risk averse behavior, and smart game play. Not taking an even odds fight (or a fight where the odds are *only* slightly in your favor) is overly risk averse behavior. Running away from a 15 man gang when you are by yourself in NOT risk aversion , staying would be stupid most of the time.
I've heard people say "we need to get rid of killmails because if you did people would pvp more". Same for the whole "insurance should pay for everything" suggestions people have floated around. Totally bad ideas, losing something in EVE is supposed to hurt, you are supposed to dislike getting hurt, and that makes getting actual kills that much sweeter, because you know it hurts lol.
Jenn-
I'll have to disagree with you on the fundamental concept of risk aversion... not necessarily on how you are using it though.
Risk Averse is risk averse, there is no middle ground. What you are calling 'Smart Gameplay' is 'Normal Human behavior'.
Humans by nature (like nearly every intelligent animal) are Risk Averse. Thus when people say that players are 'risk averse' and then proceed to lay out case x, y or z in order to support their play style it's actually all noise because you can't differentiate the levels without having a perspective and agenda that surrounds it.
There is no difference in EVE between a RISK AVERSE HiSec play style and a RISK AVERSE Lo/Null/WH play style. The only difference may be the level of Risk Aversion, but that's down to splitting hairs and ego elevation.
I'll say this again: Once you accept that all play styles are VALID, then the entire universe of EVE becomes very clear to evaluate fairly and completely. Risk Aversion is irrelevant, it's only a game requirement for tools that allow different players to play in the same sand box together.
Example:
I am moving my corp into Null Sec (Providence). I took a rookie ship to explore down there first. I contacted some locals and tried to make some friends there and seem to have succeeded. I went to move my first ship (my battlecruiser) and just had the misfortune to run into a roam from "The School of Hard Knocks". I had left my ship PVE Long Range fit, and when I was tackled by 3 ships on a gate (after being tailed for a while, yeah, I knew I was in trouble but they knew what they were doing, I didn't even know they weren't CVA because I didn't have the intel at the time to figure it out... I do now) the result was inevitable. I just made sure to get my pod out. It was a 150mil ISK lesson. I'm not going to whine and cry about it, I knew about the risk, I wasn't entirely prepared for how to do the move and they got a kill for that. It was my fault, don't fly what you can't afford to lose.
I am risk averse, I did more research and now fit my ship for PVP before I move it. I am risk averse and am more ready for the challenge the next time. Will I win? Probalby not, I'm not a great PVP player but at least I'll be prepared, see them coming and take them on more on my terms... or just dock and blow raspberries out the porthole of the station at them. I did say I was risk averse, but that doesn't mean I won't take on challenges.
They were risk averse too. They wouldn't have engaged my Talos with an equal amount of fire power and they made certain they had me solid before engaging me. That makes them smart, but also risk averse. The Cynabal alone would've been a match for me, but their risk aversion drove them to engage with more than just a BC, it would've been too fair of a fight. Had I gotten range on him, I would've likely won, so I don't blame them, but it doesn't make them any less risk averse.
The non risk averse person is very rare.
None of this dampens my motivation to play. Risk Aversion and Motivation to play would only be an issue in someone that finds no fun in conflict. That person will not last in EVE regardless of anything we or CCP does.
Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game
-- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
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Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony The Wraithguard.
583
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Posted - 2016.08.08 16:48:27 -
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I like that story.
The non-risk averse player will fly his BC in manually. The risk averse player will jumpfreighter it all.
You did good.
Edit: now, while we all of course try to manage/mitigate the dangers somewhat, most of us are still playing a game which means we sometimes do "stupid" stuff just for the heck of it-- it's not like we'll die IRL for taking a questionable fight right? |
Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
534
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Posted - 2016.08.08 17:01:40 -
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Brokk Witgenstein wrote:I like that story.
The non-risk averse player will fly his BC in manually. The risk averse player will jumpfreighter it all.
You did good.
Edit: now, while we all of course try to manage/mitigate the dangers somewhat, most of us are still playing a game which means we sometimes do "stupid" stuff just for the heck of it-- it's not like we'll die IRL for taking a questionable fight right?
Yes, but that is exactly my point. We can't really use the term Risk Averse because it's actually part of human nature. Using it to judge or degrade others is pointlessly hypocritical. Even those willing to 'throw it all to the wind' still tend to do so with smarts and have some kind of a plan in mind. They are sill risk averse, but at the same time, a bit reckless.
So, kind of like the term PvE where in EVE it has something of a unique definition, Risk Averse really isn't a useful term either for describing any activity or play style with any degree of accuracy because the people where Risk Aversion is really an issue just don't want to play the game.
We are all risk averse to some degree. Welcome to humanity. Conquer your fears and go have fun!
Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game
-- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
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Maekchu
Gunpoint Diplomacy
384
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Posted - 2016.08.08 17:15:42 -
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Pandora Carrollon wrote: We can't really use the term Risk Averse because it's actually part of human nature. Using it to judge or degrade others is pointlessly hypocritical. When used in context of EvE, we are not talking about general risk aversion of normal human behavior.
When I mentioned it originally, it was obviously exaggerated for the sake of a joke, since it is funny how attached people grow of space pixels. We are all risk-averse to some degree. Some more, some less. But there is something funny, how people don't play this game efficiently just because they are afraid to lose a ship. You are supposed to lose your stuff in this game, you are just supposed to hopefully earn more money than you lose.
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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers Get Off My Lawn
2679
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Posted - 2016.08.08 17:48:11 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:As title, what makes you want to log in to eve and what makes you log out?
PvP, in general. My corpmates. And just sheer allure of having played since the beginning.
What makes me log out? RL stuff and/or being too tired to keep playing.
That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...
[#savethelance]
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2101
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Posted - 2016.08.08 20:16:16 -
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Pandora Carrollon wrote:Brokk Witgenstein wrote:I like that story.
The non-risk averse player will fly his BC in manually. The risk averse player will jumpfreighter it all.
You did good.
Edit: now, while we all of course try to manage/mitigate the dangers somewhat, most of us are still playing a game which means we sometimes do "stupid" stuff just for the heck of it-- it's not like we'll die IRL for taking a questionable fight right? Yes, but that is exactly my point. We can't really use the term Risk Averse because it's actually part of human nature. Using it to judge or degrade others is pointlessly hypocritical. Even those willing to 'throw it all to the wind' still tend to do so with smarts and have some kind of a plan in mind. They are sill risk averse, but at the same time, a bit reckless. So, kind of like the term PvE where in EVE it has something of a unique definition, Risk Averse really isn't a useful term either for describing any activity or play style with any degree of accuracy because the people where Risk Aversion is really an issue just don't want to play the game. We are all risk averse to some degree. Welcome to humanity. Conquer your fears and go have fun!
I liked your story on your BC loss, I get called risk averse by the ganking crowd, but when I went to Stain as an 8 month I did so in a Hurricane without a scout and went in via HED and made it.
What motivated me to play was playing in a game where everyone is out to get you including the GM's.
And what is stopping me to play is the realisation that instead of testing myself against others, I am testing myself against bad game design and bad balance decisions and that many of the possibilities in game are not really possible with the bad game design and poor balance.
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Pandora Carrollon
Kingsman Tailors
536
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Posted - 2016.08.08 20:18:07 -
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Maekchu wrote:When used in context of EvE, we are not talking about general risk aversion of normal human behavior.
When I mentioned it originally, it was obviously exaggerated for the sake of a joke, since it is funny how attached people grow of space pixels. We are all risk-averse to some degree. Some more, some less. But there is something funny, how people don't play this game efficiently just because they are afraid to lose a ship. You are supposed to lose your stuff in this game, you are just supposed to hopefully earn more money than you lose.
I completely understand that, and at some level, we all do. What gets us all into trouble here in the forums is our own perceptions of what we are thinking we are putting forward in text and what others are reading, since it depends on our perception vs. theirs.
That's why it's almost impossible for me to communicate the subtle nuance of what I'm referring to, at least with any degree of accuracy, thus risking my own version of hypocrisy.
Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game
-- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
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Tao Dolcino
EVE University Ivy League
583
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Posted - 2016.08.08 21:44:59 -
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What makes me log in : the wonderful life in the University. What makes me log out : the need of sleep.
CCP 2015 : "Fluff is good"
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Adela Talvanen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
129
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Posted - 2016.08.09 12:25:36 -
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Isk.
Dad wanting me for something. |
Raven Kvetina
The Scope Gallente Federation
59
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Posted - 2016.08.09 22:25:59 -
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I log in out of habit now when I get up, and log out when I go to bed. I might do stuff in between those 2 things, but maybe not. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3330
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Posted - 2016.08.10 03:14:47 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:To crush my enemies, to see them driven before me, and to hear the lamentations of the ir women bears. FTFD Crom does not allow edits in his word. Fury. |
Stoner Ed
Grain Fields Inc.
0
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Posted - 2016.08.10 07:47:36 -
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Freedom, consequences, other players and the possibility of a challenge either of my own making or someone elses. Many years in and still being entertained. |
Milan Vugrinec
HC - 4X Corp.
0
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Posted - 2016.08.10 11:16:14 -
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The right question is:
What is keeping you in EVE Online?
My answer (to my question :D) is:
The hope that one day CCP will allow free movement in stations and etc, will connect the games (EVE & DUST 514) which will give us the opportunity of landing on planets and fight there as well ;] Also I dare CCP make the docking to be more skill ... like have to flight my ship directly into the hangar - not just flight to close range to the station and click the "Dock station" button.
Quote: The more it looks like real simulator the more players will attract.
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Divine Entervention
Bridge Four
842
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Posted - 2016.08.11 01:16:03 -
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Seeing what I can do.
Setting goals and attempting to accomplish them. |
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Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
375
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Posted - 2016.08.11 02:51:11 -
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Creating a 'story' for my character.
Eve is one of the few RPG's where there is no need to ever have a second (or more) character. Alts are almost universally just a cheat in Eve, used to dodge game mechanics like low sec status or to scout/light cynos/etc. Basically dodging all the things that make Eve interesting to begin with.
When I started this game half a decade ago, I decided to only ever use one acct, and this one toon on it. From being war dec'd in a newb corp in high sec, being -10 outlaw banned from high sec with the entire game able to shoot me on sight, to building an empire in sov null.....I've experienced the ups and downs of having a single 'life' in New Eden. Not having multiple accts means I have to have friends if I want bridges, stuff moved, scouts along a route. I've had to be as useful as I can be to my corp-mates in return. Had to sneak around enemy camps, war decs, and be true to my word lest I get blacklisted.
The 5+ years I've played this game have been the most organic and 'real' alter ego of any game I know.
What motivates me to keep playing is what I'll do next. Where will the winds of fortune blow me and how will I fit into that puzzle. In all this time there is still whole swaths of content I've never really tried. Even when I've found myself not logging in much, or spending time in other games, I always keep Eve active because there is always something else I could do. New people I can meet (and often murder )
Lastly, it's the friends I've made. My corp history includes only 3 player run corps in all this time. A newbie corp I joined way back when, a pirate corp I was with for a year, and the rest in my current corp/alliance. I log in as much to spend time with these friends as to undock an internet spaceship. |
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