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Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2007.03.13 13:03:00 - [1] Edited by: Ravenal on 13/03/2007 13:00:32 Made a suggestion a while ago to add a category to Sara Dawns awesome in EvE skill tool. The suggestion was to add a "jack of all trades" skill category to the "top ranked players" Thats not available yet.. hopefully soon, but I would like to try and kickstart the category here on the forums first. Using the statistics from the "personal stats" link in the in EvE skill tool you can see your placement in each of the ranked categories. Adding those number togeather you get a number you want to have as low as possible, the lower it is the higher you are in those ranked categories. So, the lowest number character is the Jack of all trades in eve - ill try to keep a score of the top 20 similar to dr Caymus old skill thread. 1. Ravenal (12019) 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. 13. 14. 15. 16. 17. 18. 19. 20. .
Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2007.03.13 13:04:00 - [2] My score is: 12019 .
Janus Ovellian Minmatar Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.03.13 14:40:00 - [3] Edited by: Janus Ovellian on 13/03/2007 14:39:45 Hehe... I get just under a whopping 45000. (actual 44827) No cookie for me. That does put me in 2nd place for now though. /me cheers. Interesting times await...
hellraiser Far Edge Outcasts	Posted - 2007.03.13 18:16:00 - [4] 55870 =/
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.03.14 08:12:00 - [5] Edited by: Akita T on 14/03/2007 08:13:20 63,133 total (with 11,720,902 skill points) Proposed "Jack of all trades" rating index = ln(63133*11720902) = 27.3298 _ MySkills \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2007.03.14 10:42:00 - [6] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 14/03/2007 08:17:04 63,133 total (with 11,720,902 skill points) Proposed "Jack of all trades" rating index = ln(6313311720902) = 27.3298 NOTE: if SP < RankSum, use ln(RankSum^2), so you don't have newbie chars on top. Lower value is better.* you cant get newbie characters on top as they cant rate high in each ranked category and thus will have some mighty big numbers to add up ... and I did mention lower number is better ... right? .
Mudkest	Posted - 2007.03.14 10:53:00 - [7] Skillpoints14668th place Skills14590th place Skills Ratio14671st place Skills Ranks14667th place Engineering14416th place Gunnery14329th place Industry14005th place Leadership8308th place Mechanic14208th place Missile Launcher Operation12611th place Navigation11812th place Spaceship Command14395th place guess I dont even have to bother to add those things together :s -Duct tape might hold the univurse together, but it's coffee that makes it tick
Janus Ovellian Minmatar Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.03.14 11:40:00 - [8] /me slaps forehead. I'd assumed we were only adding the numbers for each skill group up. Adding values for total sp, skills, ranks and ratio onto it gives me another few thousand ... 51748. Interesting times await...
Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2007.03.14 14:39:00 - [9] Originally by: Mudkest guess I dont even have to bother to add those things together :s But raises the question "hidden" in an earlier response as you are missing out skill categories. I however dont think it matters - they shouldnt be able to reach the top 20 anyway. .
Sable Moran Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.14 14:57:00 - [10] Edited by: Sable Moran on 14/03/2007 14:55:11 My result is 13005, firm number two slot at this time :). My drone and corp skills are dragging me down. Skillpoints 140th place Skills 13th place Skills Ratio 2197th place Skills Ranks 17th place Corporation Man. 1522nd place Drones 1850th place Electronics 233rd place Engineering 385th place Gunnery 243rd place Industry 547th place Leadership 677th place Learning 1096th place Mechanic 551st place Missile Launcher 359th place Navigation 831st place Science 674th place Social 568th place Spaceship Command 920th place Trade 198th place ----- Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene 5, Moon 4, Duvolle Laboratories Factory. Ammo at affordable prices.
Kazuo Ishiguro	Posted - 2007.03.14 22:59:00 - [11] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 14/03/2007 23:14:55 Coming up with a meaningful 'Jack of all trades' measure is certainly an intriguing problem. It's harder to gain a higher ranking in one of the more sought after skill categories, like gunnery or engineering, so a high ranking in one of those deserves more weight. also, however, a jack of all trades should be penalised for putting lots of SP into fewer skills. My suggestion: Jack of all trades rank of player 'p' = (sum over all sp categories, 'x': rank of p in x * total sp of all players / total sp of all players in x ) / Skill ratio ranking of p Of course, these figures would have to be compiled from data submitted to ineve.net. Strictly speaking, it isn't necessary to multiply through by the total sp of all players, but it helps to keep the numbers a convenient size. ------ Top speed calculation spreadsheet - feedback welcome :) Army of doom headcount: 26,045
Tripoli XenTech	Posted - 2007.03.15 04:25:00 - [12] Edited by: Tripoli on 15/03/2007 04:26:32 11512 --- 325 of 341 skills trained.
Dr Caymus Gallente Applied Technologies Inc	Posted - 2007.03.15 04:26:00 - [13] I better get my number in here quick because I doubt I will stay on this list very long... I'm 2nd in Industry, 2nd in Science and 5th in Engineering, but my 13,159th rank in Gunnery and 10,920th rank in SSC serve as lead boots and a cement overcoat in this competition, resulting in a total score of 38,703 Cool idea, Ravenal
Durania Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.15 09:35:00 - [14] Score of 15659 I really don't like thinking how many missions I've done over time, or how long they've taken on average.
Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2007.03.15 10:18:00 - [15] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 14/03/2007 23:14:55 Coming up with a meaningful 'Jack of all trades' measure is certainly an intriguing problem. It's harder to gain a higher ranking in one of the more sought after skill categories, like gunnery or engineering, so a high ranking in one of those deserves more weight. also, however, a jack of all trades should be penalised for putting lots of SP into fewer skills. My suggestion: The WEIGHT of gunnery and the "more sought after" categories are penalized by exacly that attribute . A jack putting lots of SPs into few categories will greatly plunge in rank points in other categories and thus wont make any top list. So no matter how you "boost" up one of your categories you will be losing elsewhere and it will thus be next to impossible for you to make any "high" place in the jack category. What i am expecting is high skillpoint characters making this Jack category that do not make the top list of the other categories (perhaps just one). oh... and yeah, we talked about the problem of the learning category earlier too. Seeing as I max that category I "should" also be tied for the first place but am still ranked nr 287 .
AtoningUnifex Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.15 10:49:00 - [16] I'll play too: Skillpoints66th place Skills77th place Skills Ratio1200th place Skills Ranks84th place Corporation Management2311th place Drones857th place Electronics566th place Engineering216th place Gunnery1933rd place Industry481st place Leadership438th place Learning1642nd place Mechanic24th place Missile Launcher Operation3256th place Navigation115th place Science322nd place Social574th place Spaceship Command9th place Trade1020th place] Giving me 15191. ------------------------ Collector and flyer of starships
RaTTuS BIG Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.15 11:06:00 - [17] Skillpoints99th place Skills8th place Skills Ratio2156th place Skills Ranks6th place Corporation Management222nd place Drones1592nd place Electronics428th place Engineering182nd place Gunnery497th place Industry719th place Leadership1898th place Learning882nd place Mechanic63rd place Missile Launcher Operation1239th place Navigation52nd place Science136th place Social2761st place Spaceship Command686th place Trade400th place == 12317 I think -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal \| RaTTuS @ Skills Showroom
herr Jortikka Gallente Interstellar Galactic Exploration	Posted - 2007.03.15 12:06:00 - [18] 21722
Mrmuttley Guns 'N' Hoses	Posted - 2007.03.15 20:34:00 - [19] Edited by: Mrmuttley on 15/03/2007 20:35:12 Woohoo! Finally I get recognition for being an allrounder 26882 Skillpoints 949th place Skills 981st place Skills Ratio 1543rd place Skills Ranks 854th place Corporation Management 128th place Drones 7394th place Electronics 549th place Engineering 1895th place Gunnery 1526th place Industry 1239th place Leadership 703rd place Learning 3339th place Mechanic 2358th place Missile Launcher Operation 1312th place Navigation 1466th place Science 2246th place Social 446th place Spaceship Command 149th place Trade 1460th place I have a million SP or more in most catagories of SP I personally thought the measurement for this should be the number of SP in the catagory that you have the lesat SP for example i have very little in trade and drones so presently my lowest is about 128k SP but I think Ravs idea is better ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Time for a new Sig. Any Ideas?
Tripoli XenTech	Posted - 2007.03.16 02:41:00 - [20] Yikes. Uploaded my most recent stats and my number went up to 11891. Stupid skills ratio. --- 325 of 341 skills trained.
Per Bastet Amarr B.O.O.M	Posted - 2007.03.16 02:47:00 - [21] Per Bastet - Jack # 112144
Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2007.03.16 10:16:00 - [22] Originally by: Dr Caymus Edited by: Dr Caymus on 15/03/2007 14:50:42 Edited by: Dr Caymus on 15/03/2007 04:45:48 I better get my number in here quick because I doubt I will stay on this list very long... I'm 2nd in Industry, 2nd in Science and 5th in Engineering, but my 13,159th rank in Gunnery and 10,920th rank in SSC serve as lead boots and a cement overcoat in this competition, resulting in a total score of 38,703 Cool idea, Ravenal Edit: Wait! I have zero Drones skills, so that category doesn't even show up in my personal stats. I'm tied for last place (currently 15,238th) in Drones, so my correct total score is 53,941 Edit Two: Showroom update today... my new score is even worse: 57,787. Dont really think we "need" to include empty categories - yet at least... not expecting many characters with empty categories to reach the top 20 list anyway (eventually). But yes, empty categories "should" be categorized as tie to the last place in that category ... similar to the first place tie in learning :S .
Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2007.03.16 10:18:00 - [23] Originally by: Tripoli Yikes. Uploaded my most recent stats and my number went up to 11891. Stupid skills ratio. Yeah, focusing on going "high" in one category results in low scores in another category ... the skills ratio vs nr of skills categories are a prime example of that. .
Slickster Gallente Luna Rossa Corporation	Posted - 2007.03.16 11:10:00 - [24] Edited by: Slickster on 16/03/2007 11:15:21 Skillpoints 218th place Skills 6th place Skills Ratio 2642nd place Skills Ranks 9th place Corporation Management 105th place Drones 503rd place Electronics 660th place Engineering 108th place Gunnery 895th place Industry 750th place Leadership 160th place Learning 332nd place Mechanic 207th place Missile Launcher Operation 2642nd place Navigation 458th place Science 777th place Social 8th place Spaceship Command 2629th place Trade 833rd place Total = 13942 Not to bad On an interesting note for catagories that are topped out like learning im 332nd place ...... yet i have it at max. so im gimped due to the alphabet as only a few people have more than the max attainable sp in that area due to early skill bugs in beta can i but my self as joint 6th with everyone else who has the "normal max sp in that field " (5,376,000) To POD or to be PODDED that is the Question ?
Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2007.03.17 14:57:00 - [25] Originally by: Slickster On an interesting note for catagories that are topped out like learning im 332nd place ...... yet i have it at max. so im gimped due to the alphabet as only a few people have more than the max attainable sp in that area due to early skill bugs in beta can i but my self as joint 6th with everyone else who has the "normal max sp in that field " (5,376,000) yeah, know what you mean - easier to deal with that on DB level though - shouldnt make that much of a difference though. .
Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2007.03.19 17:52:00 - [26] more entries please? :) .
Kery Nysell Caldari Nysell Incorporated	Posted - 2007.03.19 22:22:00 - [27] I'll try, as soon as I have my rankings ... just for fun
Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2007.03.20 13:51:00 - [28] everything is just for fun :) .
Mrmuttley Guns 'N' Hoses	Posted - 2007.03.21 10:23:00 - [29] Looks like the skill rankings aren't showing on the ineve.net site correctly. Just a suggestion Rav but if you change the title to "top 20 jack of all trades or somehing like that you may find more people take note of the thread and give if it a few bumps until a mod makes if official with some glue ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Time for a new Sig. Any Ideas?
Kery Nysell Caldari Nysell Incorporated	Posted - 2007.03.21 11:03:00 - [30] Originally by: Mrmuttley Looks like the skill rankings aren't showing on the ineve.net site correctly. Same problem here, my Skillpoints, Skills, Skills Ratio and Skills Ranks are just showing "th place" ...

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