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Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2007.03.13 13:03:00 - [1] Edited by: Ravenal on 13/03/2007 13:00:32 Made a suggestion a while ago to add a category to Sara Dawns awesome in EvE skill tool. The suggestion was to add a "jack of all trades" skill category to the "top ranked players" Thats not available yet.. hopefully soon, but I would like to try and kickstart the category here on the forums first. Using the statistics from the "personal stats" link in the in EvE skill tool you can see your placement in each of the ranked categories. Adding those number togeather you get a number you want to have as low as possible, the lower it is the higher you are in those ranked categories. So, the lowest number character is the Jack of all trades in eve - ill try to keep a score of the top 20 similar to dr Caymus old skill thread. 1. Ravenal (12019) 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. 13. 14. 15. 16. 17. 18. 19. 20. .
Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2007.03.13 13:04:00 - [2] My score is: 12019 .
Janus Ovellian Minmatar Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.03.13 14:40:00 - [3] Edited by: Janus Ovellian on 13/03/2007 14:39:45 Hehe... I get just under a whopping 45000. (actual 44827) No cookie for me. That does put me in 2nd place for now though. /me cheers. Interesting times await...
hellraiser Far Edge Outcasts	Posted - 2007.03.13 18:16:00 - [4] 55870 =/
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.03.14 08:12:00 - [5] Edited by: Akita T on 14/03/2007 08:13:20 63,133 total (with 11,720,902 skill points) Proposed "Jack of all trades" rating index = ln(63133*11720902) = 27.3298 _ MySkills \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2007.03.14 10:42:00 - [6] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 14/03/2007 08:17:04 63,133 total (with 11,720,902 skill points) Proposed "Jack of all trades" rating index = ln(6313311720902) = 27.3298 NOTE: if SP < RankSum, use ln(RankSum^2), so you don't have newbie chars on top. Lower value is better.* you cant get newbie characters on top as they cant rate high in each ranked category and thus will have some mighty big numbers to add up ... and I did mention lower number is better ... right? .
Mudkest	Posted - 2007.03.14 10:53:00 - [7] Skillpoints14668th place Skills14590th place Skills Ratio14671st place Skills Ranks14667th place Engineering14416th place Gunnery14329th place Industry14005th place Leadership8308th place Mechanic14208th place Missile Launcher Operation12611th place Navigation11812th place Spaceship Command14395th place guess I dont even have to bother to add those things together :s -Duct tape might hold the univurse together, but it's coffee that makes it tick
Janus Ovellian Minmatar Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.03.14 11:40:00 - [8] /me slaps forehead. I'd assumed we were only adding the numbers for each skill group up. Adding values for total sp, skills, ranks and ratio onto it gives me another few thousand ... 51748. Interesting times await...
Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2007.03.14 14:39:00 - [9] Originally by: Mudkest guess I dont even have to bother to add those things together :s But raises the question "hidden" in an earlier response as you are missing out skill categories. I however dont think it matters - they shouldnt be able to reach the top 20 anyway. .
Sable Moran Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.14 14:57:00 - [10] Edited by: Sable Moran on 14/03/2007 14:55:11 My result is 13005, firm number two slot at this time :). My drone and corp skills are dragging me down. Skillpoints 140th place Skills 13th place Skills Ratio 2197th place Skills Ranks 17th place Corporation Man. 1522nd place Drones 1850th place Electronics 233rd place Engineering 385th place Gunnery 243rd place Industry 547th place Leadership 677th place Learning 1096th place Mechanic 551st place Missile Launcher 359th place Navigation 831st place Science 674th place Social 568th place Spaceship Command 920th place Trade 198th place ----- Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene 5, Moon 4, Duvolle Laboratories Factory. Ammo at affordable prices.
Kazuo Ishiguro	Posted - 2007.03.14 22:59:00 - [11] Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 14/03/2007 23:14:55 Coming up with a meaningful 'Jack of all trades' measure is certainly an intriguing problem. It's harder to gain a higher ranking in one of the more sought after skill categories, like gunnery or engineering, so a high ranking in one of those deserves more weight. also, however, a jack of all trades should be penalised for putting lots of SP into fewer skills. My suggestion: Jack of all trades rank of player 'p' = (sum over all sp categories, 'x': rank of p in x * total sp of all players / total sp of all players in x ) / Skill ratio ranking of p Of course, these figures would have to be compiled from data submitted to ineve.net. Strictly speaking, it isn't necessary to multiply through by the total sp of all players, but it helps to keep the numbers a convenient size. ------ Top speed calculation spreadsheet - feedback welcome :) Army of doom headcount: 26,045
Tripoli XenTech	Posted - 2007.03.15 04:25:00 - [12] Edited by: Tripoli on 15/03/2007 04:26:32 11512 --- 325 of 341 skills trained.
Dr Caymus Gallente Applied Technologies Inc	Posted - 2007.03.15 04:26:00 - [13] I better get my number in here quick because I doubt I will stay on this list very long... I'm 2nd in Industry, 2nd in Science and 5th in Engineering, but my 13,159th rank in Gunnery and 10,920th rank in SSC serve as lead boots and a cement overcoat in this competition, resulting in a total score of 38,703 Cool idea, Ravenal
Durania Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.15 09:35:00 - [14] Score of 15659 I really don't like thinking how many missions I've done over time, or how long they've taken on average.
Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2007.03.15 10:18:00 - [15] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 14/03/2007 23:14:55 Coming up with a meaningful 'Jack of all trades' measure is certainly an intriguing problem. It's harder to gain a higher ranking in one of the more sought after skill categories, like gunnery or engineering, so a high ranking in one of those deserves more weight. also, however, a jack of all trades should be penalised for putting lots of SP into fewer skills. My suggestion: The WEIGHT of gunnery and the "more sought after" categories are penalized by exacly that attribute . A jack putting lots of SPs into few categories will greatly plunge in rank points in other categories and thus wont make any top list. So no matter how you "boost" up one of your categories you will be losing elsewhere and it will thus be next to impossible for you to make any "high" place in the jack category. What i am expecting is high skillpoint characters making this Jack category that do not make the top list of the other categories (perhaps just one). oh... and yeah, we talked about the problem of the learning category earlier too. Seeing as I max that category I "should" also be tied for the first place but am still ranked nr 287 .
AtoningUnifex Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.15 10:49:00 - [16] I'll play too: Skillpoints66th place Skills77th place Skills Ratio1200th place Skills Ranks84th place Corporation Management2311th place Drones857th place Electronics566th place Engineering216th place Gunnery1933rd place Industry481st place Leadership438th place Learning1642nd place Mechanic24th place Missile Launcher Operation3256th place Navigation115th place Science322nd place Social574th place Spaceship Command9th place Trade1020th place] Giving me 15191. ------------------------ Collector and flyer of starships
RaTTuS BIG Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.15 11:06:00 - [17] Skillpoints99th place Skills8th place Skills Ratio2156th place Skills Ranks6th place Corporation Management222nd place Drones1592nd place Electronics428th place Engineering182nd place Gunnery497th place Industry719th place Leadership1898th place Learning882nd place Mechanic63rd place Missile Launcher Operation1239th place Navigation52nd place Science136th place Social2761st place Spaceship Command686th place Trade400th place == 12317 I think -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal \| RaTTuS @ Skills Showroom
herr Jortikka Gallente Interstellar Galactic Exploration	Posted - 2007.03.15 12:06:00 - [18] 21722
Mrmuttley Guns 'N' Hoses	Posted - 2007.03.15 20:34:00 - [19] Edited by: Mrmuttley on 15/03/2007 20:35:12 Woohoo! Finally I get recognition for being an allrounder 26882 Skillpoints 949th place Skills 981st place Skills Ratio 1543rd place Skills Ranks 854th place Corporation Management 128th place Drones 7394th place Electronics 549th place Engineering 1895th place Gunnery 1526th place Industry 1239th place Leadership 703rd place Learning 3339th place Mechanic 2358th place Missile Launcher Operation 1312th place Navigation 1466th place Science 2246th place Social 446th place Spaceship Command 149th place Trade 1460th place I have a million SP or more in most catagories of SP I personally thought the measurement for this should be the number of SP in the catagory that you have the lesat SP for example i have very little in trade and drones so presently my lowest is about 128k SP but I think Ravs idea is better ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Time for a new Sig. Any Ideas?
Tripoli XenTech	Posted - 2007.03.16 02:41:00 - [20] Yikes. Uploaded my most recent stats and my number went up to 11891. Stupid skills ratio. --- 325 of 341 skills trained.
Per Bastet Amarr B.O.O.M	Posted - 2007.03.16 02:47:00 - [21] Per Bastet - Jack # 112144
Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2007.03.16 10:16:00 - [22] Originally by: Dr Caymus Edited by: Dr Caymus on 15/03/2007 14:50:42 Edited by: Dr Caymus on 15/03/2007 04:45:48 I better get my number in here quick because I doubt I will stay on this list very long... I'm 2nd in Industry, 2nd in Science and 5th in Engineering, but my 13,159th rank in Gunnery and 10,920th rank in SSC serve as lead boots and a cement overcoat in this competition, resulting in a total score of 38,703 Cool idea, Ravenal Edit: Wait! I have zero Drones skills, so that category doesn't even show up in my personal stats. I'm tied for last place (currently 15,238th) in Drones, so my correct total score is 53,941 Edit Two: Showroom update today... my new score is even worse: 57,787. Dont really think we "need" to include empty categories - yet at least... not expecting many characters with empty categories to reach the top 20 list anyway (eventually). But yes, empty categories "should" be categorized as tie to the last place in that category ... similar to the first place tie in learning :S .
Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2007.03.16 10:18:00 - [23] Originally by: Tripoli Yikes. Uploaded my most recent stats and my number went up to 11891. Stupid skills ratio. Yeah, focusing on going "high" in one category results in low scores in another category ... the skills ratio vs nr of skills categories are a prime example of that. .
Slickster Gallente Luna Rossa Corporation	Posted - 2007.03.16 11:10:00 - [24] Edited by: Slickster on 16/03/2007 11:15:21 Skillpoints 218th place Skills 6th place Skills Ratio 2642nd place Skills Ranks 9th place Corporation Management 105th place Drones 503rd place Electronics 660th place Engineering 108th place Gunnery 895th place Industry 750th place Leadership 160th place Learning 332nd place Mechanic 207th place Missile Launcher Operation 2642nd place Navigation 458th place Science 777th place Social 8th place Spaceship Command 2629th place Trade 833rd place Total = 13942 Not to bad On an interesting note for catagories that are topped out like learning im 332nd place ...... yet i have it at max. so im gimped due to the alphabet as only a few people have more than the max attainable sp in that area due to early skill bugs in beta can i but my self as joint 6th with everyone else who has the "normal max sp in that field " (5,376,000) To POD or to be PODDED that is the Question ?
Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2007.03.17 14:57:00 - [25] Originally by: Slickster On an interesting note for catagories that are topped out like learning im 332nd place ...... yet i have it at max. so im gimped due to the alphabet as only a few people have more than the max attainable sp in that area due to early skill bugs in beta can i but my self as joint 6th with everyone else who has the "normal max sp in that field " (5,376,000) yeah, know what you mean - easier to deal with that on DB level though - shouldnt make that much of a difference though. .
Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2007.03.19 17:52:00 - [26] more entries please? :) .
Kery Nysell Caldari Nysell Incorporated	Posted - 2007.03.19 22:22:00 - [27] I'll try, as soon as I have my rankings ... just for fun
Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2007.03.20 13:51:00 - [28] everything is just for fun :) .
Mrmuttley Guns 'N' Hoses	Posted - 2007.03.21 10:23:00 - [29] Looks like the skill rankings aren't showing on the ineve.net site correctly. Just a suggestion Rav but if you change the title to "top 20 jack of all trades or somehing like that you may find more people take note of the thread and give if it a few bumps until a mod makes if official with some glue ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Time for a new Sig. Any Ideas?
Kery Nysell Caldari Nysell Incorporated	Posted - 2007.03.21 11:03:00 - [30] Originally by: Mrmuttley Looks like the skill rankings aren't showing on the ineve.net site correctly. Same problem here, my Skillpoints, Skills, Skills Ratio and Skills Ranks are just showing "th place" ...
Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2007.03.21 17:57:00 - [31] oh lovelly ... anyway - that might be because of an update. will change the topic - thanks for the tip. .
Talmssar Caldari Raptus Regaliter Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2007.03.22 23:20:00 - [32] Boboo! Total 28388 Skillpoints 85 Skills 876 Skills Ratio 295 Skills Ranks 625 Corporation Man. 799 Drones 3549 Electronics 41 Engineering 36 Gunnery 2320 Industry 5663 Leadership 54 Learning 1627 Mechanic 2777 Missile Launcher 27 Navigation 285 Science 575 Social 1728 Spaceship Command 423 Trade 6603 So, too many small numbers on me to get all closer to few hundred so I could beat top. Tho in 1 month I could change my worst areas much. If I would like to train trade, drones, industry & mechanic 400k sp in each would mean my drones would be near 2700 (850 less), industry near 3400 (2250 less), mechanic near 1150 (1600 less) and trade near 865 (5750 less). Include that I wont need more skills to achieve that wich will mean I get less in skills ratio and ranks. Nice to note allso that I hit top 100 in 5 areas. Talmssar wants delete non needed science skills with lvl 0 trained I just prefer that all have good time here.
Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2007.03.23 08:40:00 - [33] almost making it to 20 ... :) browse and count if personal stats isnt working :S If you are tied for the same place, count the number of the first person you tie. .
Talmssar Caldari Raptus Regaliter Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2007.03.23 09:08:00 - [34] Quote: 10. Talmassar (28388) Learn to type... I just prefer that all have good time here.
NEvara Caldari STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.23 09:49:00 - [35] Skillpoints 167th place Skills 1028th place Skills Ratio 383th place Skills Ranks 500th place Corporation Man. 9272nd place Drones 445th place Electronics 2596rd place Engineering 876th place Gunnery 562rd place Industry 514th place Leadership 827th place Learning 951th place Mechanic 187st place Missile Launcher 6432th place Navigation 22st place Science 98th place Social 655th place Spaceship Command 912th place Trade 2990th place Totals 29417th place
Kery Nysell Caldari Nysell Incorporated	Posted - 2007.03.24 09:54:00 - [36] After a lot of browsing, I finally made my totals : 25.796 ... But that will change today, I'll finish a skill in an hour or so ...
Suvereign Gallente Extros	Posted - 2007.03.24 11:38:00 - [37] Skillpoints 55 Skills 9 Skills Ratio 1981 Skills Ranks 8 Corporation Man. 77 Drones 1463 Electronics 686 Engineering 60 Gunnery 640 Industry 618 Leadership 1063 Learning 365 Mechanic 44 Missile Launcher 2898 Navigation 2609 Science 171 Social 272 Spaceship Command 123 Trade 936 Total : 14078
Namarus Gallente	Posted - 2007.03.25 15:02:00 - [38] Edited by: Namarus on 25/03/2007 15:01:53 7979
Stems Trade Consortium	Posted - 2007.03.26 01:19:00 - [39] Edited by: Stems on 26/03/2007 01:16:01 Originally by: Namarus Edited by: Namarus on 25/03/2007 15:01:53 7979 On another note, I'm still getting the "nth" place thing happening. Guess I'll give it till tomorrow.
Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2007.03.26 17:36:00 - [40] the Xth in the personal stats is back in business :) .
digitalwanderer Gallente The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.26 18:29:00 - [41] Edited by: digitalwanderer on 26/03/2007 18:30:23 Edited by: digitalwanderer on 26/03/2007 18:29:10 Only the social and science skills are really dragging my overall result,wich is nicely trained in pretty much all other areas,wich the total result is 22356,but only because i'm 5168th in social skills and 8054th in science....lol. Oh i have no corporation or trade skills trained at all. Rankings Skillpoints..............21st place Skills..................434th place Skills Ratio............ 367th place Skills Ranks............208th place Drones..................7th place Electronics.............97th place Engineering.............38th place Gunnery.................255th place Industry................1355th place Leadership..............1400th place Learning................905th place Mechanic................1795th place Missile Launcher Operation.....1656th place Navigation..............508th place Science.................5168th place Social..................8054th place Spaceship Command.......89th place
W0LFMAN Caldari Spaced Cowboys	Posted - 2007.03.26 20:54:00 - [42] 20303... humm... My achivement is Skills Trained 295 (86.26%) of a total 342 available skills, 365 including skills not released. Rankings Skillpoints 1036th place Skills 7th place Skills Ratio 4583rd place Skills Ranks 9th place ... nice
Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2007.03.27 08:58:00 - [43] Originally by: digitalwanderer Only the social and science skills are really dragging my overall result,wich is nicely trained in pretty much all other areas,wich the total result is 22356,but only because i'm 5168th in social skills and 8054th in science....lol. Thats the attributes of a Jack - "good" in everthing ;) oh, we have a full top 20 list \o/ for us... and our first list dropout too, thanks for participating Per Bastet - keep training for the top ;) .
maGz Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.03.27 11:17:00 - [44] Skillpoints 468th place Skills 1057th place Skills Ratio 801st place Skills Ranks 931st place Corporation Management 704th place Drones 489th place Electronics 1574th place Engineering 1151st place Gunnery 178th place Industry 11413th place Leadership 510th place Learning 6624th place Mechanic 1345th place Missile Launcher Operation 2856th place Navigation 1519th place Science 3328th place Social 3632nd place Spaceship Command 65th place Trade 8852nd place Total = 47497 ____________ Coming soon...
Mrmuttley Guns 'N' Hoses	Posted - 2007.03.27 11:47:00 - [45] Edited by: Mrmuttley on 27/03/2007 11:49:01 I know a lot of pilots dont have any skills at all in one or two areas. Corp Management and Trade seem to be common. If we are going to have a jack of all trades list then surely everyone who wants a place on the list has to have at one skill in all catagories. its only going to a a few thousand isk and 20 minutes to get into any catagory. I suspect the one thing that might cause a problem is getting to a "bookshop" for the copy of corp management skill book. /edit i seem to have slipped to 30860 possibly i didn't add up my points before or perhaps everyone who has joined the list since i posted is better than me in every catagory I dont know but anyways here is my new and more accurate list Skillpoints 986th place Skills 1022nd place Skills Ratio 1616th place Skills Ranks 872nd place Corporation Management 134th place Drones 6095th place Electronics 586th place Engineering 2045th place Gunnery1631st place Industry 1336th place Leadership 777th place Learning 3631st place Mechanic 2562nd place Missile Launcher Operation 1409th place Navigation 1574th place Science2440th place Social 385th place Spaceship Command 161st place Trade 1598th place Acheivement i am most proud of Piloted Ships 168 (87.05%) of a total 193 available ships. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Time for a new Sig. Any Ideas?
insanity Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.28 05:52:00 - [46] 26526 Skillpoints 498th place Skills 136th place Skills Ratio 2284th place Skills Ranks 132nd place Corporation Management 150th place Drones 6199th place Electronics 328th place Engineering 1953rd place Gunnery 907th place Industry 169th place Leadership 363rd place Learning 3497th place Mechanic 66th place Missile Launcher Operation 4517th place Navigation 1059th place Science 195th place Social 1165th place Spaceship Command 1059th place Trade 1849th place know one ever says "its just a game" when his team is winning
Brodie	Posted - 2007.03.28 10:45:00 - [47] Skillpoints260th place Skills2429th place Skills Ratio169th place Skills Ranks2021st place Corporation Management4398th place Drones3455th place Electronics1122nd place Engineering312th place Gunnery1713th place Industry2197th place Leadership44th place Learning1644th place Mechanic3369th place Missile Launcher Operation15th place Navigation2376th place Science2315th place Social52nd place Spaceship Command1870th place Trade231st place Total29992 place
RaTTuS BIG Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.28 13:54:00 - [48] you tend to slip down fast as others will bump your figures in various places. so if you are training a long skill of which you are very high at then you will drop quicker then doing a bunch of skills in other places that will move you up. I've updated my 1st post to say my new total -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal \| RaTTuS @ Skills Showroom
mematar Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.03.29 01:53:00 - [49] 2317+2148+3083+1838+443+4588+5552+5114+1075+7693+1426+6776+3273+1394+3881+5340+2535+1491+10462 = 70429
Lurtz Caldari Gunrunners and Gamblers	Posted - 2007.03.29 16:51:00 - [50] Skillpoints298th place Skills87th place Skills Ratio2026th place Skills Ranks115th place Corporation Management80th place Drones2738th place Electronics1044th place Engineering1205th place Gunnery1760th place Industry384th place Leadership957th place Learning4146th place Mechanic2208th place Missile Launcher Operation1570th place Navigation3286th place Science58th place Social85th place Spaceship Command336th place Trade151st place 22534 (someone doublecheck my math)
Coronach	Posted - 2007.03.29 18:09:00 - [51] 13075
Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2007.03.29 19:14:00 - [52] kk, everything is looking lovelly - think ive got everything updated nicely. This Jack of all trades category seems to be kicking off nicely and its fun to see how peoples stats are leveling off. Namarus grabbing the first place pretty firmly there (gonna be catching up on some categories there soon) ;) anyway - keep em coming. .
Lurtz Caldari Gunrunners and Gamblers	Posted - 2007.03.30 06:34:00 - [53] Originally by: Ravenal kk, everything is looking lovelly - think ive got everything updated nicely. This Jack of all trades category seems to be kicking off nicely and its fun to see how peoples stats are leveling off. Namarus grabbing the first place pretty firmly there (gonna be catching up on some categories there soon) ;) anyway - keep em coming. Not that I mind much and these things can change, but respect where it is due: I think digitalwanderer and I should be swapped.
Stems Trade Consortium	Posted - 2007.03.31 04:46:00 - [54] 83000 exactly
Strykr X Majestyk Galactic Inc Intergalactic Freelance Corporations	Posted - 2007.03.31 08:54:00 - [55] Character: Siber Point Total: 22,223 Skillpoints 523rd place Skills 527th place Skills Ratio 1409th place Skills Ranks 495th place Corporation Management 51st place Drones 1204th place Electronics 710th place Engineering 1652nd place Gunnery 1442nd place Industry 1886th place Leadership 70th place Learning 3261st place Mechanic 2288th place Missile Launcher Operation 2201st place Navigation 2348th place Science 785th place Social 535th place Spaceship Command 470th place Trade 366th place
Miri Tirzan Caldari Clan Korval	Posted - 2007.03.31 21:22:00 - [56] Edited by: Miri Tirzan on 31/03/2007 21:22:46 Overall 10668 - Which should put me in the top 3 for Jack of All Trades. Skillpoints 17th place Skills 29th place Skills Ratio 1296th place Skills Ranks 17th place Corporation Management 719th place Drones 32nd place Electronics 538th place Engineering 915th place Gunnery 842nd place Industry 805th place Leadership 836th place Learning 937th place Mechanic 29th place Missile Launcher Operation 3425th place Navigation 182nd place Science 38th place Social 606th place Spaceship Command 202nd place Trade 562nd place svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2007.04.03 00:20:00 - [57] While training the categories im "low" in ... i still seem to manage to increase my jack rank points ... really interesting... .
Mrmuttley Guns 'N' Hoses	Posted - 2007.04.03 06:05:00 - [58] Yeah you're not the only one When I next update I dont think im going to get back in to the top 20 yet. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Time for a new Sig. Any Ideas?
Talmssar Caldari Raptus Regaliter Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2007.04.05 08:21:00 - [59] Actually I wont personally go rush for useless skills (for me) just to get jack of all trades up. So I keep raising in those areas wich I'm allready high rank and will be usefull at least someway. I just prefer that all have good time here.
Miri Tirzan Caldari Clan Korval	Posted - 2007.04.05 20:54:00 - [60] Originally by: Talmssar Actually I wont personally go rush for useless skills (for me) just to get jack of all trades up. So I keep raising in those areas wich I'm allready high rank and will be usefull at least someway. Well, I do not have any useless skills. Well, none that were useless when I trained them, but some have become useless after certain CCP nerfs. I have to be good in almost everything since I play mostly solo. So I can use most weapons, mine, missions, trade, manufacturing, and science skills are needed. svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
Celestoid Gallente Celestial Pleasures	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:42:00 - [61] Skillpoints 807th place Skills 24th place Skills Ratio 3838th place Skills Ranks 23rd place Corporation Management 138th place Drones 434th place Electronics 601st place Engineering 280th place Gunnery 4369th place Industry 715th place Leadership 1167th place Learning 581st place Mechanic 587th place Missile Launcher Operation 7161st place Navigation 1892nd place Science 258th place Social 2191st place Spaceship Command 2694th place Trade 48th place for a total of 278080 - if the original post is up to date, this score allows me to slip into 19th position :-) I'll have to work on that missiles and guns ;-) Cel
Slickster Gallente Luna Rossa Corporation	Posted - 2007.04.06 13:34:00 - [62] Edited by: Slickster on 06/04/2007 13:31:05 lol ive got15013 now i seemto have slipped a little with me concentrating on one area.( gunnery) you wait untill i lift the lead weight that is spaceship command from my feet and my score will come down again Skillpoints 235th place Skills 6th place Skills Ratio 2839th place Skills Ranks 10th place Corporation Management 115th place Drones 552nd place Electronics 697th place Engineering 119th place Gunnery 945th place Industry 812th place Leadership 176th place Learning 356th place Mechanic 234th place Missile Launcher Operation 2867th place Navigation 493rd place Science 831st place Social 8th place Spaceship Command 2816th place Trade 912th place p.s noticed ineve.net ha sa new stat telling you how much isk you spent on skills the thing is ive spent over 1.5 billion in science but as the prices are the prices from the database i bet those rare ones a brought would bump it up to more that that To POD or to be PODDED that is the Question ?
Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2007.04.07 09:44:00 - [63] Didnt specify how people were supposed to update their stats or how I was going to review the whole post. From now ill try to review it every week, lets say sunday... and if people update their original score posts i should be able to update the OP with new rankings. .
Ravenal The Fated	Posted - 2007.04.07 11:12:00 - [64] a matter worth looking into has been brought to my attention. The skill jack should only be counting the skill categories, not the nr of skillpoints, nr of skills and those categories... as they are a compilation of the skillpoints the jack is supposed to be counting. So, the idea would be to only count the rankings in corp management, drones, gunnery... the skill categories themselves. what say ye? .
DiamonDav	Posted - 2007.04.07 18:57:00 - [65] Edited by: DiamonDav on 07/04/2007 18:56:42 Skillpoints 195th place Skills 173rd place Skills Ratio 1546th place Skills Ranks 131st place Corporation Management 1883rd place Drones 116th place Electronics 1507th place Engineering 889th place Gunnery 872nd place Industry 326th place Leadership 3037th place Learning 5755th place Mechanic 264th place Missile Launcher Operation 2143rd place Navigation 29th place Science 440th place Social 4017th place Spaceship Command 639th place Trade 356th place =24,318
TeddyX	Posted - 2007.04.10 14:50:00 - [66] The Jack of All Trades should reflect the pilot who can do many things very well. A better way to determine this (IMO) would be to come up with 10 (or so) general areas/trades and then classify each trade with a set of skills. For each trade, take the current skillpoints for that trade divided by the total skillpoints in that trade, then multiply that number by (100/number of areas). Add together all the trade numbers and the pilot with the highest number is the Jack of All Trades. For instance the following could be general areas - 1. Mining 2. Refining 3. Production 4. Trade 5. Combat 6. Agent Running/R&D 7. Leadership/Support/EW 8. Scanning 9. Management and maybe 10. Hauling some skills may be used in 2 or 3 areas and some skills may be so generic, they wont be used for any calculations Using some sort of a calculation like this should make it a little more accurate.
Mrmuttley Guns 'N' Hoses	Posted - 2007.04.10 19:22:00 - [67] Originally by: TeddyX The Jack of All Trades should reflect the pilot who can do many things very well. A better way to determine this (IMO) would be to come up with 10 (or so) general areas/trades and then classify each trade with a set of skills. For each trade, take the current skillpoints for that trade divided by the total skillpoints in that trade, then multiply that number by (100/number of areas). Add together all the trade numbers and the pilot with the highest number is the Jack of All Trades. For instance the following could be general areas - 1. Mining 2. Refining 3. Production 4. Trade 5. Combat 6. Agent Running/R&D 7. Leadership/Support/EW 8. Scanning 9. Management and maybe 10. Hauling some skills may be used in 2 or 3 areas and some skills may be so generic, they wont be used for any calculations Using some sort of a calculation like this should make it a little more accurate. While i like the idea in theory producing a definitive list of what catagories should qualify could be tricky For example how would you define hauling. I can fly Haulers Transports and freighter in gallente race but does someone who can fly all four races beat me just because he can fly 12 sets of ships which do exactly the same job as my 3? Likewise PvP and Missioning runing use a lot fo the same skills but the arguably so does hauling. i.e. mechanic skill for Cargo expanders. Leave it as it is IMHO. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Time for a new Sig. Any Ideas?

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