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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2016.08.18 12:40:50 -
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Dear CCP
I am angry. I am very angry. Which is very unlike me to be with regards to your excellent game.
Why am I angry? First let me calm down and share my event experience, warts and all.
I put about 450 hrs into this event and positioned #9. This time last week I was elated. I was proud of the achievement of my corp and the rando's I picked up along the way throughout this event.
I have been hunted, I have hunted. I have stolen more cans from people than I can count, I optimized my strategies through optimizing routes across New Eden, organized a team for maximizing returns on points. I managed to get my own time in Shipyards down to 1:20 when it was just myself and my alt. I nearly gave up, oh-so-many-times. I drank more coffee than a small principality in the Alps. Garnered support from friends and family who cheered me on. Supported other people in the top 10 and competed with them. I have seen more of the south of Empire space than I thought I would ever see, in my 10 years of playing. I am marked with the word "Shipyard" for life.
The Story
I started the event late, about 12 days in and worked out how to optimize getting points together, my corp worked on making fits for the sites and we made an agreement that I would split my rewards with them proportional to their own point accumulation. The guy that finished above me had 199k pts before I had even really got going and he finished only 17k above me. We had a long road between the start and end of this event. We piled through low sec moving from honeypot to honeypot, searching for those systems where shipyards piled up. A leopard scout zipped between these locations and reported what they saw, if shipyard gold was spotted we set our route and watched those systems until the fleet arrived. We also had several war decs active throughout the event and managed to kill a few folks along the way, most of our losses were to faction navies or concord....0.0 folks sometimes forget to check their sec status :P
Losses:
1 Machariel (t2 all gank, no tank) low sec 1 Hurricane, low sec 1 Caracal, Ammatar Navy didn't like 'im 1 Caracal Navy Issue, Concord 1 Astero, low sec scout 1 Tornado, sacrificed for the greater good in low sec
Kills:
1 Orca carrying x 2 hulks (1 dropped and I used this for the event mining challenges, it's shield booster went on my Orthrus) 1 Proteus , concorded trying to save the orca 1 Stratios, what can I say I know how to get 'em concorded, also died to concord 1 Mackinaw, caught YOLO'ing through a gate after committing Grand Theft Ore, lost his pod too 1 Bestower 1 Omen, can flipping ftw 1 Drake, more can flipping joy
Back to the story....So I have done maybe 5000 + jumps in the past month, maybe more, my AP was usually sitting in the hundreds of waypoints. Along the way I met a variety of individuals, who had their own eccentricities, some joined the fleet and headed to our position whenever they logged in. Some stalked me in rage, due to me always getting the can in "their" sites. One of the rando's that joined me had never been into low sec properly nor had they stolen anything before, she was soon corrupted and became eager for the less carebeary side of eve.
I saw a variety of strategies deployed in running these sites, drone boats being the most annoying and ineffective. The biggest blight for me was the 100,000 Gila's I encountered, seriously boring PVE choice guys. I got so sick of seeing them that all Gila's I encountered got tagged with a 5 mill bounty, something I am still keeping up today, even if you are blue... Grath Telkin didn't seem to agree with my opinion on the Gila and I got some strange anonymized bounty placed on my head as a result, gotta say no one has claimed it yet :)
I bumped into most of the other top 10 on my routes, which covered Kador, Kor-Azor, Domain, The Bleak Lands, Derelik, Devoid, Heimatar, Metropolis and some occasional stints into Gallente space and on occasion ran sites with them, I shared an ingame channel with 2 of them throughout the event, simply due to serendipity.
The event bought back a friend to resub who hasn't played for 2-3 yrs and I have flown with him since 2006, so it was a bit like old times :) It also gave a bit of downtime to Darkness folks that had been on CTA's forever and a day since MBC kicked goons out of Deklein. We had 1 guy in fleet fall asleep about 4 times during the event, each time trying to pull that he was there after we had cleaned the rats of his ship just floating in a devastated shipyard. I found myself doing shipyards asleep too, being woken by my shield warning noises. One guy in fleet rocked a high grade ascendancy set and I sware to god he was everywhere at the same time. On many occasions we found ourselves being scouted to new locations by machariels (still not quite settled with this 50% warp speed malarky), who got to work on the cruisers.
Our Standing Fleet: When solo I'd run an Orthrus and Machariel
x1-4 Orthrus x1-3 Machariels x1-2 Cynabals x1-3 Talos (hyperspatials) x1 Hurricane x1 Leopard (scout) x1 Astero (scout and prober)
Our setup was ungodly, it was possible to decimate a yard before the 2 mwd bursts it would take to get to the can and I really enjoyed, leaving a "WTF just happened" on the faces of people already in the sites in question. Everyone worked really hard to get me into the top 10 and I owe them much for their efforts.
The Loot came to about 9 billion isk, I spent 4 bill on buying people ships and PLEXing my two accounts, aswell as shitting out full cargoholds of serp processors periodically for someone in fleet to take, aswell as handing out implants.
I have been banned from more astrahaus's than I thought would be possible, and have been bountied again and again for crimes against serpentis can stealing. To the war targets, better luck next time, too slow and too concerned with choke points you are. |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2016.08.18 12:41:01 -
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reserved |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
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Posted - 2016.08.18 13:04:13 -
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reserved for comments after you finish writing your story. i suggest a tl;dr
(read all the story written for now, it's a good story)
p.s. Opa !top10 ftw EleGiggle |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2016.08.18 13:11:17 -
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TL;DR
CCP screwed the event winners over and still haven't delivered their bpc. Simultaneously they have released the bpc on SISI to the serp lp store. We have no period of exclusvity for our non-existant rewards after 450 + hrs put in.
Compared to other events, this one payed out less the more hrs you put in, would have had better odds and prices doing Theomachy. |
Viktor Amarr
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Posted - 2016.08.18 13:20:41 -
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You... you were expecting CCP to have a well thought out plan, properly executed with people and checks in place to ensure overall quality? What game have you been playing, cause I might be interested. |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
5
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Posted - 2016.08.18 13:25:19 -
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Viktor Amarr wrote:You... you were expecting CCP to have a well thought out plan, properly executed with people and checks in place to ensure overall quality? What game have you been playing, cause I might be interested.
I'm a pragmatist, I am surprised CCP even got as far as they did with such a complex undertaking. Everyone makes mistakes and **** ups. Even you and me.
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Viktor Amarr
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Posted - 2016.08.18 13:38:20 -
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Discordia Duenna wrote:Viktor Amarr wrote:You... you were expecting CCP to have a well thought out plan, properly executed with people and checks in place to ensure overall quality? What game have you been playing, cause I might be interested. I'm a pragmatist, I am surprised CCP even got as far as they did with such a complex undertaking. Everyone makes mistakes and **** ups. Even you and me.
I'm a realist, if you want to predict the future you just have to look at the past. I couldn't name one single thing CCP has ever done that made good sense, was well executed with quality control from start to finish combined with proper communication back and forth. |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
5
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Posted - 2016.08.18 13:39:46 -
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Viktor Amarr wrote:Discordia Duenna wrote:Viktor Amarr wrote:You... you were expecting CCP to have a well thought out plan, properly executed with people and checks in place to ensure overall quality? What game have you been playing, cause I might be interested. I'm a pragmatist, I am surprised CCP even got as far as they did with such a complex undertaking. Everyone makes mistakes and **** ups. Even you and me. I'm a realist, if you want to predict the future you just have to look at the past. I couldn't name one single thing CCP has ever done that made good sense, was well executed with quality control from start to finish combined with proper communication back and forth. I can, most of the game. This post isn't about other mistakes, it's about this one, sorry there is no fix all for CCP's errors, Let's take one issue at a time shall we? |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
17940
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Posted - 2016.08.18 13:42:08 -
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Forgive me but...Its on SISI, not tranq.
Whats the problem there? |
Rawthorm
D.M.T inc Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2016.08.18 13:43:42 -
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I may be making things up, but I swear CCP had an events team once upon a time. Now days I get the distinct feeling that no one "owns" events, (which is quite shocking considering there was a advertised webpage for it and everything) and as such it's just fell between the cracks once it was done with.
I can only hope that CCP is having an internal discussion about revisiting the build costs for these ships and thus held back in releasing them, but I'm not optimistic on that front. |
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Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.18 13:46:46 -
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baltec1 wrote:Forgive me but...Its on SISI, not tranq.
Whats the problem there?
The all important question is the price of the bpcs in LP, as that will put a ceiling on the price of the prize bpcs in game, very quickly.
Undoubtedly lack of information for buyers would have been helpful for sellers.
btw : anyone know what the LP costs are ? |
Solecist Project
32204
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Posted - 2016.08.18 13:47:29 -
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Great post, great read, thank you for sharing!
Quote:One of the rando's that joined me had never been into low sec properly nor had they stolen anything before, she was soon corrupted and became eager for the less carebeary side of eve.
Great work! Well done!
Now I'll read the second post. ^_^
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Zanar Skwigelf
Boa Innovations Brothers of Tangra
8
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Posted - 2016.08.18 13:48:03 -
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I have 3 thoughts on this:
1) 16 hours a day for 28 days straight is only 9th place?
2) Why should we care that literally 10 people got screwed? I would love to know how many people get scammed by Jita isk doublers each day.
3) The BPCs are on SISI, not TQ. You are being impatient. I understand that the offers have dried up, but once you get the bpcs I would expect you to get offers again. |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
8
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Posted - 2016.08.18 13:49:55 -
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baltec1 wrote:Forgive me but...Its on SISI, not tranq.
Whats the problem there?
It's not on tranquility yet either, tis the main issue, second issue is having put the SISI stuff up it's pretty much made all buyers not interested for a price that would have made the acquisition of said bpc's worth the effort. It is a subtle issue that perhaps wouldn't have occurred if CCP had released our prizes already. On the 07 show they even said we "have been awarded", this is not the case.
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Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2016.08.18 13:54:18 -
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Zanar Skwigelf wrote:I have 3 thoughts on this:
1) 16 hours a day for 28 days straight is only 9th place?
2) Why should we care that literally 10 people got screwed? I would love to know how many people get scammed by Jita isk doublers each day.
ccp shouldn't be screwing players
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3) The BPCs are on SISI, not TQ. You are being impatient. I understand that the offers have dried up, but once you get the bpcs I would expect you to get offers again.
The price in LP is on SISI, this will put a ceiling on the offers.
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2016.08.18 13:55:45 -
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Zanar Skwigelf wrote:I have 3 thoughts on this:
1) 16 hours a day for 28 days straight is only 9th place?
2) Why should we care that literally 10 people got screwed? I would love to know how many people get scammed by Jita isk doublers each day.
3) The BPCs are on SISI, not TQ. You are being impatient. I understand that the offers have dried up, but once you get the bpcs I would expect you to get offers again.
1) Perhaps you should ask the others what they pulled to eh? missed the bit about starting 12 days late? Also this is just nasty what you are saying tbh.
2) ISK scammers are an in game emergent behaviour, not a CCP run competition, don't compare fish and apples for the sake of coming across as...i dunno whatever you were trying to be.
3) The impact has already been felt, it's very real to me and others in the top 10. Patience is something I am best known for and I have mountains of it. I also know when the time for patience is over and action needs to be taken. |
Breaking Fast
Eagle Wing Asset Management
5
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Posted - 2016.08.18 13:59:07 -
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Very well written piece.
My major gripe is the lack of communication - aside from a 30 second to 1 minute segment on the o7 show there is no written report on the event coming from CCP, some 9 days after the event ended now. The Instagram competition already has a write up. the last update on the serpentis event was written on 05/08/16 - almost 2 weeks ago.
Lack of communication as to when winners can expect their prizes? Are CCP expecting to hand them out at the same time as releasing them on the Serpentis LP store Tranquility?
CCP want more subscribers, want people to log in more to partake in events such as these. The way this one has been handled is certainly putting many people off from participating in future events including myself.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
14572
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Posted - 2016.08.18 13:59:09 -
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CCP takes your cookie, not giving it to you. Always.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him.
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Zanar Skwigelf
Boa Innovations Brothers of Tangra
8
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Posted - 2016.08.18 14:08:22 -
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Coralas wrote:Zanar Skwigelf wrote:I have 3 thoughts on this:
1) 16 hours a day for 28 days straight is only 9th place?
2) Why should we care that literally 10 people got screwed? I would love to know how many people get scammed by Jita isk doublers each day.
ccp shouldn't be screwing players Quote:
3) The BPCs are on SISI, not TQ. You are being impatient. I understand that the offers have dried up, but once you get the bpcs I would expect you to get offers again.
The price in LP is on SISI, this will put a ceiling on the offers.
We knew from the initial announcement of the event that the BPCs were going to be put in the LP store after the event. I'm shocked that a serious buyer would try to purchase one of the BPCs before they hit the LP store.
Quote: 1) Perhaps you should ask the others what they pulled to eh? missed the bit about starting 12 days late? Also this is just nasty what you are saying tbh.
I didn't miss it, I'm just shocked that this is where the bar was set to even make the top 10, never mind the top 5. While my other 2 points were more cruel, this one was a general observation of the effort it takes to get a BPC that can be bought in an LP store if everyone just waited. |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2016.08.18 14:14:21 -
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Zanar Skwigelf wrote: Stuff.
We were all aware it would hit the lp store, just not before we actually got our prizes, some people pay more for being 1st. That's supply and demand. |
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TinkerHell
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
238
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Posted - 2016.08.18 14:15:23 -
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lol that sucks, but i am surprised you didnt see it coming. I tried to do the event but after getting the copper can i gave up as the rewards just sucked and figured the top 10 would go the same way...The whole thing wasnt thought out well and the build price on the dread was just lol (and still is).
450 hours is only about 180b-225b running lvl5 missions
I lost an 880b offer on my silver magnate that now recieves offers for 50b thanks to one of CCPs events. So welcome to the Salt club. |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2016.08.18 14:26:06 -
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TinkerHell wrote:lol that sucks, but i am surprised you didnt see it coming. I tried to do the event but after getting the copper can i gave up as the rewards just sucked and figured the top 10 would go the same way...The whole thing wasnt thought out well and the build price on the dread was just lol (and still is). 450 hours is only about 180b-225b running lvl5 missions I lost an 880b offer on my silver magnate that now recieves offers for 50b thanks to one of CCPs events. So welcome to the Salt club.
Still that's 50b for a frigate. I wish I could say it was just salty, it it's way way beyond that.
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TinkerHell
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
238
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Posted - 2016.08.18 14:29:16 -
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I paid more than 50b for that frigate :P
Your bpc still has some value when its released. You will be able to get at least 5b for it!!!
Sorry for your loss. |
Coralas
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2016.08.18 14:31:02 -
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TinkerHell wrote:I paid more than 50b for that frigate :P
Your bpc still has some value when its released. You will be able to get at least 5b for it!!!
Sorry for your loss.
There was a period of time you could have sold the frigate for its old value.
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2016.08.18 14:33:42 -
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TinkerHell wrote:I paid more than 50b for that frigate :P
Your bpc still has some value when its released. You will be able to get at least 5b for it!!!
Sorry for your loss.
It isn't just my loss, it's my corpmates time too. I'd understand if it were a hauler that got ganked carrying all out loots, or a re-release of something like the Magnate. This was meant to be a serious reward for the first time these ships would enter eve and whilst I appreciate your comparison to the magnate, it would be more comparable if you'd been screwed over before receiving a magnate at all. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
8598
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Posted - 2016.08.18 14:35:33 -
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Not sure what people were expecting, CCP has been phoning it in for a long time.
Eventually there will be an apology of sorts (probably on Reddit) where CCP will declare how successful the event was with some statistics thrown in, and that they have been scrambling to get things out to the winners.
Hands up, who of you really thought the prizes were going to remain unique for any meaningful amount of time?
Gÿ+
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper: 'Hodor'.
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2016.08.18 14:36:55 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Not sure what people were expecting, CCP has been phoning it in for a long time.
Eventually there will be an apology of sorts (probably on Reddit) where CCP will declare how successful the event was with some statistics thrown in, and that they have been scrambling to get things out to the winners.
Hands up, who of you really thought the prizes were going to remain unique for any meaningful amount of time?
A couple of months at least, heck even a couple of weeks of having our rewards prior to SISI would have been good, but as it stands we don't even have the bpc yet :D |
TinkerHell
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
238
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Posted - 2016.08.18 14:39:13 -
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Coralas wrote:TinkerHell wrote:I paid more than 50b for that frigate :P
Your bpc still has some value when its released. You will be able to get at least 5b for it!!!
Sorry for your loss. There was a period of time you could have sold the frigate for its old value.
Yes. I just had no warning that an event could spawn at any moment which instantly devalues that item, which they had tried re-releasing before but were met with unholy rage and backtracked saying they wouldnt re-release and made new ship prizes for that competition instead but clearly i needed to invest in more crystal balls. This thread isnt for that. Stop trying to mine me for my Salt.
Maybe CCP will change their ways and find a way to make the prizes seem a bit better now they have put a price on the item before even giving it to the winners, but as history has proven to me. They wont. |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
347
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Posted - 2016.08.18 14:46:30 -
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Rawthorm wrote:I may be making things up, but I swear CCP had an events team once upon a time. That was during a time when we actually had quality events. Then they got fired.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
8598
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Posted - 2016.08.18 14:57:30 -
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Discordia Duenna wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Not sure what people were expecting, CCP has been phoning it in for a long time.
Eventually there will be an apology of sorts (probably on Reddit) where CCP will declare how successful the event was with some statistics thrown in, and that they have been scrambling to get things out to the winners.
Hands up, who of you really thought the prizes were going to remain unique for any meaningful amount of time?
A couple of months at least, heck even a couple of weeks of having our rewards prior to SISI would have been good, but as it stands we don't even have the bpc yet :D
Silly rabbit, CCP cannot monetize these items sufficiently or rapidly enough if there are only 10 of them in-game for more than a minute.
Gÿ+
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper: 'Hodor'.
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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
565
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Posted - 2016.08.18 15:01:02 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Discordia Duenna wrote:A couple of months at least, heck even a couple of weeks of having our rewards prior to SISI would have been good, but as it stands we don't even have the bpc yet :D Silly rabbit, CCP cannot monetize these items sufficiently or rapidly enough if there are only 10 of them in-game for more than a minute. Maybe CCP can release a new 15 year anniversary collectors edition that comes w/ every limited edition ship/item in the game just to monetize them all a little harder...And then just drop the collectors edition bit and sell the in-game items for a year or so....
Also the "official" answer is going to be that SiSi doesn't count - you still get an "exclusive" reward in the "real" game...at least for a little while.... Just FYI. |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2016.08.18 15:15:31 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Discordia Duenna wrote:A couple of months at least, heck even a couple of weeks of having our rewards prior to SISI would have been good, but as it stands we don't even have the bpc yet :D Silly rabbit, CCP cannot monetize these items sufficiently or rapidly enough if there are only 10 of them in-game for more than a minute. Maybe CCP can release a new 15 year anniversary collectors edition that comes w/ every limited edition ship/item in the game just to monetize them all a little harder...And then just drop the collectors edition bit and sell the in-game items for a year or so.... Also the "official" answer is going to be that SiSi doesn't count - you still get an "exclusive" reward in the "real" game...at least for a little while.... Just FYI.
Except we don't, because we don't have it.
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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
565
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Posted - 2016.08.18 15:18:01 -
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Discordia Duenna wrote:Except we don't, because we don't have it. That is merely a matter of Coming Soon(tm)...
I'm not saying you are wrong about anything you've said - I'm just giving you the official CCP answer, sad and unsatisfying though it may be. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
772
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Posted - 2016.08.18 15:19:52 -
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Good write up OP.
Didn't need the TL;DR. It was well written enough that reading it right through was entertaining.
I have never understood why CCP are so bad at running events, or following through on commitments. Overall development of the game seems to be well managed now, but project management for events still seems to have lots of problems. Hopefully CCP sort that out.
I hope they get you your prizes too and you do have a period of exclusivity so you can make good ISK for all that effort.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2016.08.18 15:35:06 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Good write up OP.
Didn't need the TL;DR. It was well written enough that reading it right through was entertaining.
I have never understood why CCP are so bad at running events, or following through on commitments. Overall development of the game seems to be well managed now, but project management for events still seems to have lots of problems. Hopefully CCP sort that out.
I hope they get you your prizes too and you do have a period of exclusivity so you can make good ISK for all that effort.
Thank you very much! I am happy to make CCP the offer to run their events for them :)
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Solecist Project
32206
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Posted - 2016.08.18 15:54:05 -
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Someone might suggest posting this in Test Server FeedBack instead of here, because there devs will read it and most likely reply.
So someone might also suggest that you report your thread and have it moved there, because quite frankly your issue seems to be connected to something on the test server.
I can assure you devs read it there.
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
1101
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Posted - 2016.08.18 15:58:41 -
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Sounds like the bulk of the shaft that you took up the backside is the BPC's being on Sisi before you even got yours. Easy enough to fix if CCP gives a sh!t. Good luck and I hope they do the right thing.
Not today spaghetti.
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maximus sotar
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
0
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Posted - 2016.08.18 16:17:36 -
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Dear CCP,
I respectfully ask, that the on e called Discordia Duenna, be granted full access to his/her prize, as per the conditional terms of her engagement.
I hope that this request is met with the full potency it deserves and that the person in question is awarded their prize in full, in due time.
Best Regards
Maxi Pad |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
897
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Posted - 2016.08.18 16:20:11 -
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You didnt spend 450 hours TRYING to get a BPC.... There was one event to kill 20 guards that netted 1K points, you only needed 50 of such, so 1000 guards killed total, to get the gold package.
No, you spent 450 hours trying to get to number one and burned out yourself and your corp in doing so. All in the name of profit in the end, you even said so yourself you ONLY did it for the reward because NORMALLY you dont play for isk/hr but fun.
I feel ZERO sympathy for you in this venture. And btw I just spent the better part of an hour on SISI looking up the LP rewards and ROFLMFAO!!!!!! You are going to HATE yourself even more, prepare for utter disappointment and heartbreak.
You drank the koolaid on this one.
CCP did the exact opposite as the Revenants btw if anyones wondering.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
17
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Posted - 2016.08.18 16:27:54 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:You didnt spend 450 hours TRYING to get a BPC.... There was one event to kill 20 guards that netted 1K points, you only needed 50 of such, so 1000 guards killed total, to get the gold package. No, you spent 450 hours trying to get to number one and burned out yourself and your corp in doing so. All in the name of profit in the end, you even said so yourself you ONLY did it for the reward because NORMALLY you dont play for isk/hr but fun. I feel ZERO sympathy for you in this venture. And btw I just spent the better part of an hour on SISI looking up the LP rewards and ROFLMFAO!!!!!! You are going to HATE yourself even more, prepare for utter disappointment and heartbreak. You drank the koolaid on this one. CCP did the exact opposite as the Revenants btw if anyones wondering.
Thankyou for your patronage. The flaws in your post are too many to begin to even start, the main one being the douchebaggery, it's so strong that you must struggle to form meaningful relationships, with that knowledge, I know I am already far richer than you sir. |
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
66
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Posted - 2016.08.18 16:34:10 -
[41] - Quote
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:You didnt spend 450 hours TRYING to get a BPC.... There was one event to kill 20 guards that netted 1K points, you only needed 50 of such, so 1000 guards killed total, to get the gold package. No, you spent 450 hours trying to get to number one and burned out yourself and your corp in doing so. All in the name of profit in the end, you even said so yourself you ONLY did it for the reward because NORMALLY you dont play for isk/hr but fun. I feel ZERO sympathy for you in this venture. And btw I just spent the better part of an hour on SISI looking up the LP rewards and ROFLMFAO!!!!!! You are going to HATE yourself even more, prepare for utter disappointment and heartbreak. You drank the koolaid on this one. CCP did the exact opposite as the Revenants btw if anyones wondering.
Look Son |
Vash Bloodstone
The Chiaotzu Doctrine
24
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Posted - 2016.08.18 18:07:11 -
[42] - Quote
Well, this goes back to a book I read once called, "Punished By Rewards." I won't go too deep into detail, I lack the eloquence to do so, but basically, it sounds to me like you were doing the event for the wrong reasons. You shouldn't have been going for the reward, instead you should of been trying to have "fun."
You turned EvE online into work instead of a fun game. Now, no doubt that if you want rewards in EvE, you have to work occasionally, but the trick is to have fun doing so. If you aren't having fun doing "work" in EvE, you'll only play so long before you simply quit and go to another game. Your corp mates didn't have fun and now see EvE as a chore, that's probably why they want to quit. And there right, you did turn EvE into a chore.
Well, I would go even further though and say that even if you did get this "reward" that you would still be unsatisfied. You won't be able to look at EvE the same without thinking about all that "grind" you went through. Mining is also a grind, and the last thing you want to do is turn a supposedly fun game into a terrible "grind."
Of course, I would put the blame on CCP for making this horrible event. In fact, I was fooled briefly into thinking it might be fun for a while, but I quickly saw how much it sucked and stopped. At least the Event is over now and it won't infect any more of the player base, but unfortunately, you and others like you represent some of it's victims.
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
19
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Posted - 2016.08.18 18:16:44 -
[43] - Quote
Vash Bloodstone wrote:Well, this goes back to a book I read once called, "Punished By Rewards." I won't go too deep into detail, I lack the eloquence to do so, but basically, it sounds to me like you were doing the event for the wrong reasons. You shouldn't have been going for the reward, instead you should of been trying to have "fun."
You turned EvE online into work instead of a fun game. Now, no doubt that if you want rewards in EvE, you have to work occasionally, but the trick is to have fun doing so. If you aren't having fun doing "work" in EvE, you'll only play so long before you simply quit and go to another game. Your corp mates didn't have fun and now see EvE as a chore, that's probably why they want to quit. And there right, you did turn EvE into a chore.
Well, I would go even further though and say that even if you did get this "reward" that you would still be unsatisfied. You won't be able to look at EvE the same without thinking about all that "grind" you went through. Mining is also a grind, and the last thing you want to do is turn a supposedly fun game into a terrible "grind."
Of course, I would put the blame on CCP for making this horrible event. In fact, I was fooled briefly into thinking it might be fun for a while, but I quickly saw how much it sucked and stopped. At least the Event is over now and it won't infect any more of the player base, but unfortunately, you and others like you represent some of it's victims.
I was fully prepared to not even place. I wanted to do this for personal reasons, feel free to contact anyone in my corp and they can attest that this was my primary motivation. I had fun with the grind, it was cathartic and towards the end it felt like art, I experienced TiDi in those shipyards when there was no TiDi. As for my corp, no pressure was placed on them to participate at any point, it's their game time. Since finishing the event I have run some anomalies and done some mining for someone else in the corp, I don't mind grinds that reward me with nothing, I'm a team player.
I appreciate that you don't know me, nor what I am like as a player in eve, that is fine, but I'll say that reducing me to some of the points you have made, misses the mark. The cherry on the cake for placing top 10 has been taken away, the thing that is important here is that we were promised a cherry, I still don't have one. If you went into a restaurant and ordered a steak with fries and salad and they didn't hand over the fries until 3 hrs later, you'd surely be having words with the manager, no?
Regardless you have an interesting post o7 |
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
566
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Posted - 2016.08.18 18:19:57 -
[44] - Quote
Vash Bloodstone wrote:Mining is also a grind You just couldn't help yourself...could you... |
Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
133
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Posted - 2016.08.18 19:16:01 -
[45] - Quote
Interesting read! I didn't like the event very much because it was so repetitive and the sites so unbalanced that one could predict from the beginning that people who put serious effort into this "will be marked with the word 'shipyard' for life". Well, to each his own. It's weird why they don't treat a news about the final results and the payout of the rewards with top priority. As if they don't know which marathon monster they created. Yes, I can imagine to be angry about this.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2761
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Posted - 2016.08.18 19:43:51 -
[46] - Quote
You have just caught a glimpse of what a lot of players demand as "more challenging PvE" ...
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
544
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Posted - 2016.08.18 19:54:52 -
[47] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:where CCP will declare how successful the event was with some statistics thrown in God, I hope not. If they declare this event as a success, with all of its grinding and ridiculous demands on time, it'll be a pretty clear message on what the future of EVE will be like.
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Once you've made your choice, join the EvE-Scout channel and request a scout to make sure your connection is clear!
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7989
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Posted - 2016.08.18 20:27:58 -
[48] - Quote
The OP is a description of the most unholy grind I ever saw in my life.
Does a person have to be raised on Ritalin to be capable of this or merely surrounded by people who were?
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
12850
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Posted - 2016.08.18 20:29:13 -
[49] - Quote
Quote:I have been hunted, I have hunted. I have stolen more cans from people than I can count, I optimized my strategies through optimizing routes across New Eden, organized a team for maximizing returns on points.
If this is really true, then this is all that should've mattered.
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
Bumble's Space Log
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
29
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Posted - 2016.08.18 20:34:41 -
[50] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The OP is a description of the most unholy grind I ever saw in my life. Does a person have to be raised on Ritalin to be capable of this or merely surrounded by people who were?
One has to sit on the spectrum for sure, although the eve community has plenty on the spectrum, I can be pretty focused on tasks and not sleep much as a result. It could be Chinese history keeping me up all night, in this instance it was shipyards.
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
29
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Posted - 2016.08.18 20:42:10 -
[51] - Quote
Bumblefck wrote:Quote:I have been hunted, I have hunted. I have stolen more cans from people than I can count, I optimized my strategies through optimizing routes across New Eden, organized a team for maximizing returns on points. If this is really true, then this is all that should've mattered.
It is really true and it was all that mattered. It's only when I noticed I was gaining on the top 10 that I really threw everything in. It is easy to sit from afar and pass judgement, whittling other opinions down to pidgeon holes. The reality is my reasons for doing this event were complex and many. Cherry picking single points, just leads me to believe there is no substance to the commentary (not necessarily directed at you). But you do have a point and it is one of the many great things about this event. Unfortunatley the event has also had a shadow, as I stated before, I was prepared not to place, but I did, my issue is with what haplened next.
Had I not placed, i'd be here in someone elses thread, making a stand with them, being able to relate to their experiences and share in their frustration. You could call me on that and say I wouldn't have, but then you'd be wrong although I'd probably have used an alt ;-)
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Syrias Bizniz
Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation
522
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Posted - 2016.08.18 20:49:59 -
[52] - Quote
Sry mate, but once the building cost of these ships got public, you should've counted 1 & 1 together and stop grinding, cause the grand prizes, the blueprints, couldn't be worth a fortune then. If you didn't, it's your very own fault. |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
29
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Posted - 2016.08.18 20:51:07 -
[53] - Quote
Syrias Bizniz wrote:Sry mate, but once the building cost of these ships got public, you should've counted 1 & 1 together and stop grinding, cause the grand prizes, the blueprints, couldn't be worth a fortune then. If you didn't, it's your very own fault.
Goons said this about titans in 2006. How many you got now?
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Syrias Bizniz
Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation
522
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Posted - 2016.08.18 20:54:02 -
[54] - Quote
You don't understand what i was trying to tell you. These titans and supers will be flown, that's for sure, (almost) no matter their pricetag. But the revelation of the building materials required showed us: Their pricetag will come through the materials you need to build them and not, like on the Revenant, through scarcity of the Blueprints. However, the price for the Event was ... Blueprint copies. You didn't get the Materials through the grind, you got the copy which will make up for probably 3-5% of the actual ship's value.
Edit: Also, we got never enough Titans, but thanks for asking! |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
67
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Posted - 2016.08.18 20:58:04 -
[55] - Quote
Syrias Bizniz wrote:You don't understand what i was trying to tell you. These titans and supers will be flown, that's for sure, (almost) no matter their pricetag. But the revelation of the building materials required showed us: Their pricetag will come through the materials you need to build them and not, like on the Revenant, through scarcity of the Blueprints. However, the price for the Event was ... Blueprint copies. You didn't get the Materials through the grind, you got the copy which will make up for probably 3-5% of the actual ship's value.
Edit: Also, we got never enough Titans, but thanks for asking!
3-5% in normal condition. we are not in normal conditions. right now they are limited to 5 titan bpc and 5 super bpc. no one else can have them.
and the market law teach us what happen in this case.
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Syrias Bizniz
Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation
522
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Posted - 2016.08.18 21:01:39 -
[56] - Quote
@ Soel Reit: ... eh, go over to Sisi, move yourself to fountain, dock in one of the serpentis stations, and open the LP store.
@ OP: If i were you, I'd now rally all the CSM i could, and get CCP to change the faction capitals material requirements to 1-1.5x that of it's empire variants. THEN you lobby until CCP makes the BPCs unobtainable through LP store, and makes them (random) drops from those pirate corps Faction Capital ships. |
Nicemeries
21
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Posted - 2016.08.18 21:03:11 -
[57] - Quote
DD my friend, our corp turned your grind into some of the best social content I have experienced in the past 6 years of flying spaceships. To see the goal/reward of that grind turned into **** by CCP saddens me more than any of the crap they have pulled on their player base since I started playing in 2010. The blatant disregard of their event and the disrespect of the 10-20 players that put in ungodly hours, is painfull to observe. It's not even about how much isk your BPC will make, but it's about the failure of CCP to realize that some of their players ACTUALLY put time and effort into the event they advertised with. It baffles me to see CCP completely **** away the few good things that could possibly come off this event. They treat it like it was a complete joke. To see some folks in this thread shrug it off with "what did u expect, it's CCP" is perhaps the saddest part of it all. No matter how CCP will handle your BPC and the roll out from SiSi, I will fondly remember my nighthawk watching you do flyby's while i went off on diaper duty.
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
67
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Posted - 2016.08.18 21:07:10 -
[58] - Quote
Syrias Bizniz wrote:@ Soel Reit: ... eh, go over to Sisi, move yourself to fountain, dock in one of the serpentis stations, and open the LP store.
@ OP: If i were you, I'd now rally all the CSM i could, and get CCP to change the faction capitals material requirements to 1-1.5x that of it's empire variants. THEN you lobby until CCP makes the BPCs unobtainable through LP store, and makes them (random) drops from those pirate corps Faction Capital ships (not the regular ones, the faction. Like, Dread Guristas Titan, but not from Guristas Titan).
dude we're talking of tq. anyway CCP ****** it up as always.
it's not players fault. |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
33
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Posted - 2016.08.18 21:09:22 -
[59] - Quote
Syrias Bizniz wrote:@ Soel Reit: ... eh, go over to Sisi, move yourself to fountain, dock in one of the serpentis stations, and open the LP store.
@ OP: If i were you, I'd now rally all the CSM i could, and get CCP to change the faction capitals material requirements to 1-1.5x that of it's empire variants. THEN you lobby until CCP makes the BPCs unobtainable through LP store, and makes them (random) drops from those pirate corps Faction Capital ships (not the regular ones, the faction. Like, Dread Guristas Titan, but not from Guristas Titan).
For the record, i've been on that since the beginning of the event (the materials issue) See the Baited on a Free Can Post, I couldn't rightly critique the event without knowing it's full ins and outs from the industrial side to the prize winners table without participating now could I? That would be just making stuff up based on opinion rather than experience. I guess I must out Celeste Coeval as my alt:P (although anyone with 5 minutes of the slightest interest in digging through my corp history could figure that one out) That post was formulating. But I agree CSM involvement is looking necessary for the fiasco that is these ships. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
7989
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Posted - 2016.08.18 21:11:49 -
[60] - Quote
Discordia Duenna wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The OP is a description of the most unholy grind I ever saw in my life. Does a person have to be raised on Ritalin to be capable of this or merely surrounded by people who were? One has to sit on the spectrum for sure, although the eve community has plenty on the spectrum, I can be pretty focused on tasks and not sleep much as a result. It could be Chinese history keeping me up all night, in this instance it was shipyards.
Well no offense. I too can "sperg" it big time when I'm not careful. Though for me it happens with writing computer programs. I once spent 2 entire days on a program without sleep. In the past, and I don't know about now, we had things called "Death March projects" where in the most basic forms, it's developers not going home until the project is finished. Though we see and hear of such things less and less with the development of better team/project management software and frameworks.
Must say though, whatever the opinion, you are driven. Well done o7. Where I in charge of hiring people I'd ask for a resume from you.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Syrias Bizniz
Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation
523
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Posted - 2016.08.18 21:12:22 -
[61] - Quote
Soel Reit wrote:Syrias Bizniz wrote:@ Soel Reit: ... eh, go over to Sisi, move yourself to fountain, dock in one of the serpentis stations, and open the LP store.
@ OP: If i were you, I'd now rally all the CSM i could, and get CCP to change the faction capitals material requirements to 1-1.5x that of it's empire variants. THEN you lobby until CCP makes the BPCs unobtainable through LP store, and makes them (random) drops from those pirate corps Faction Capital ships (not the regular ones, the faction. Like, Dread Guristas Titan, but not from Guristas Titan). dude we're talking of tq. anyway CCP ****** it up as always. it's not players fault.
These things will hit TQ really, really soon. And the information of their price is available now. So unless CCP pulls some real stunt out of their pocket like they did on the Fiend (AT HIC) which looked horribly **** when they anounced it but later on they reworked HICs and now the Fiend is the ultimate killing machine, OP will never get his cookies. The information from CCP over the buildcost of the Serpentis Capitals has been public for a very long time now, and if OP thinks that a BPC to run these things will be very very valuable, then it is indeed a player's fault to pull through this grind. If someone tells you he will give you 500-1,000$ when you work yourself through something between 5,000 and 20,000 hours of work, would you say "Yeap, doing it!" or would you say "Yeah well no thanks i'm not interested in putting in that much effort for (probably) so little reward."?
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
35
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Posted - 2016.08.18 21:18:21 -
[62] - Quote
Nicemeries wrote:DD my friend, our corp turned your grind into some of the best social content I have experienced in the past 6 years of flying spaceships. To see the goal/reward of that grind turned into **** by CCP saddens me more than any of the crap they have pulled on their player base since I started playing in 2010. The blatant disregard of their event and the disrespect of the 10-20 players that put in ungodly hours, is painfull to observe. It's not even about how much isk your BPC will make, but it's about the failure of CCP to realize that some of their players ACTUALLY put time and effort into the event they advertised with. It baffles me to see CCP completely **** away the few good things that could possibly come off this event. They treat it like it was a complete joke. To see some folks in this thread shrug it off with "what did u expect, it's CCP" is perhaps the saddest part of it all. No matter how CCP will handle your BPC and the roll out from SiSi, I will fondly remember my nighthawk watching you do flyby's while i went off on diaper duty.
07
Thanks Boss o7 The pleasure was all mine. Those diapers won't change themselves and a nighthawk is a commandly place from which to see to such activity!
And you too confirm the positives of this event, thank you and I am glad you had fun. At the end of the day, it isn't what you are doing in eve that counts, it's who you do it with. |
Sonya Corvinus
Static-Noise Upholders
462
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Posted - 2016.08.18 21:19:42 -
[63] - Quote
That many hours on a game in that many days?
We're missing the real problem here. Time to turn off the computer for a bit and go outside. Don't y'all have jobs and stuff? |
Syrias Bizniz
Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation
523
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Posted - 2016.08.18 21:19:52 -
[64] - Quote
OP: Start shooting a Jita Monument and rally as many people as you can to do the same. I'll be honest, whoever designed those capitals and designed their projected pricing is not beneficial to CCP to have in their Dev Team.
Edit: I'll come a long and shoot with ya |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
35
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Posted - 2016.08.18 21:22:59 -
[65] - Quote
Sonya Corvinus wrote:That many hours on a game in that many days?
We're missing the real problem here. Time to turn off the computer for a bit and go outside. Don't y'all have jobs and stuff?
I have a variety of stuffs up with me, rest assured I did lots of gardening during the event and had a bumper crop of tomoatoes I also took on a double allotment with my partner, managed to do the dishes...most days and do some market research for the business I am setting up, oh and entertain guests. |
Breaking Fast
Eagle Wing Asset Management
8
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Posted - 2016.08.18 21:46:02 -
[66] - Quote
Syrias Bizniz wrote:You don't understand what i was trying to tell you. These titans and supers will be flown, that's for sure, (almost) no matter their pricetag. But the revelation of the building materials required showed us: Their pricetag will come through the materials you need to build them and not, like on the Revenant, through scarcity of the Blueprints. However, the price for the Event was ... Blueprint copies. You didn't get the Materials through the grind, you got the copy which will make up for probably 3-5% of the actual ship's value.
Edit: Also, we got never enough Titans, but thanks for asking!
I agree with you on Build costs, not sure what the staff member at CCP headquarters was smoking when they came up with these numbers. Whilst they were at it they came up with the smart idea that these powerful vehicles of destruction could be obtained by running missions for the Serpentis Corporation, does this mean that the Revenant too will be coming to a Sansha LP store near you anytime soon (thats if it already hasn't done so - don't follow this stuff so apologies if i am wrong)? And if the numbers on SiSi are correct for live server, the cost of 8m LP is going to be another form of grinding for those that see fit to obtain these BPC's through the LP store. What price are those mission runners going to place on their time to achieve such rewards.
The Revevenant is obtainable by running incursions, even then my understanding is that it is not even a guaranteed drop.
Maybe CCP need to rethink the making of one set of cap ship BPC's available through missions whilst the other is only available through a random drop from a PvE event.
Whilst I too am affected by the outcome of this event, as previously statd, my gripe is mainly the lack of communication from CCP themselves:
a) In terms of awarding of the prizes - they knew when the event was ending, why not hand out prizes immediately. Its akin to the Olympics at the moment, one of the athletes wins gold in the final, they get the medal with 10-15 minutes of their event ending, not some too weeks later when everyone has forgotten about it.
b) defining exactly how short a period of exclusivity of time between awarding the prize winners their copies and then making them available on the LP store is.
** please note its late at the time of typing and spelling mistakes may have occurred :) |
Serene Repose
2745
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Posted - 2016.08.18 22:33:16 -
[67] - Quote
Uh...it's not arriving to your destination, it's the journey...Grasshopper?
What struck me most about your post was the fact you're describing a full-blown immersity intensive activity in EVE. You accumulated enviable accomplishments as you progressed. You activated interrelationships, intensified understanding, practiced coordination and cooperation at a very high pitch and pretty much involved the left/right hemispheres to a degree you and your compadres have probably added ten years to your brains' lives. I'm truly jealous.
As I read I was mourning all along as you're doing this based on some promise management has made to you that sounds like a Jaeger-laced convention covenant, which we all know is destined to become a lengthy explanation and rationalized justification only the Narcissistic among us could possibly engage in, then walk off satisfied, headed for another round.
I feel I detect a sense of pride there, too, in knowing you and yours had what it took to meet the challenge... excelling at it as well.
So, well done. Congratulations. I'm impressed. We can put a timer on how long it'll take the sloth to rouse from its coma.
We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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darkezero
Doughboys Escalating Entropy
32
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Posted - 2016.08.19 00:34:55 -
[68] - Quote
I didn't and still don't expect to see the BPC in my hands until September, and given the bpc is in the lp store on sisi, I have altered my expectation for it to appear in the LP store on TQ to September as well, with a slight possibility of it showing in October instead of September. |
Khan Wrenth
Ore Oppression Prevention and Salvation
657
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Posted - 2016.08.19 01:53:17 -
[69] - Quote
At least you were able to participate in the event. I spent a few hours each day for a week, couldn't find a single site, gave up. It sounded like fun, it sounded like a lot of people were doing it, but I just could not locate a single site. At some point, whatever fun it was, was not going to be worth spending weeks looking for a single site, so I went back to my normal routine.
Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
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Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
400
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Posted - 2016.08.19 03:45:47 -
[70] - Quote
OP:
i want to o7 you for an excellent read you realize how much you just captured eve online. its honestly the best write up ive read thus far and oh how i feel your pain,
The main reason you haven't received your prizes yet is because ccp rise is making up a pretty chart that will oddly show how successful the event was. Where in reality everyone hated this event and refused to participate in it just cause it was a ridiculous stupid grind all with an end game trinket unicorn reward.
i think they honestly trolled the entire community with this type of event... did it cause new players to join the game? How many players logged in to play this event? was their any increase? see the same questions still be asked just like recurring opportunities free SP "event".
seems they just do not care about PVE events.. they come up with this kind of chit, set it up to fail, because their minds is only on pvp and causing players to lose their wealth in-game. that way you're forced to continue supporting the economy and their salaries..
this was a trick that lots of rabbits fell for.. so wait for the excuse charts and pies he comes up with to explain how well the event did.. im sure they'll claim it was a success cause if they do admit it was a failure than that is Strike #2 back to back on failing to obtain whatever is their goal.
Congrats to you on making the top 10 though you truly have dedication and love for this game and the amount of heart and effort you put into it.. makes you one of the best asset's for this community..
o7 |
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
42
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Posted - 2016.08.19 05:41:13 -
[71] - Quote
Serene Repose wrote:Uh...it's not arriving to your destination, it's the journey...Grasshopper?
What struck me most about your post was the fact you're describing a full-blown immersity intensive activity in EVE. You accumulated enviable accomplishments as you progressed. You activated interrelationships, intensified understanding, practiced coordination and cooperation at a very high pitch and pretty much involved the left/right hemispheres to a degree you and your compadres have probably added ten years to your brains' lives. I'm truly jealous.
As I read I was mourning all along as you're doing this based on some promise management has made to you that sounds like a Jaeger-laced convention covenant, which we all know is destined to become a lengthy explanation and rationalised justification only the Narcissistic among us could possibly engage in, then walk off satisfied, headed for another round.
I feel I detect a sense of pride there, too, in knowing you and yours had what it took to meet the challenge... excelling at it as well.
So, well done. Congratulations. I'm impressed. We can put a timer on how long it'll take the sloth to rouse from its coma.
With regards to your first paragraph, this is one of the reasons I did the event, life has delivered some bad luck, putting these skills into action with a positive outcome was a necessity for me right now, mentally, as much as it was all the other reasons listed in this thread and more. Eve has always been a place to get away and renew myself mentally, this time I went for the bigger challenge and CCP left me feeling like ****.
I didn't moan about slowcats, I never moaned about nanofags, or Falcons or WIS or even micro transactions. In fact I just adapted to whatever the eve community cooked up and the game mechanics allowed, I am not a complainer in eve, I evolve with it. This issue has me annoyed, the ship build costs and the handling of the event. Unfortunately for CCP, my spectrum tendencies aren't letting them off the hook for this one, the sloth better get out of it's coma soon...cause otherwise it's gonna be a sloth burned to a crisp. |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
42
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Posted - 2016.08.19 05:45:54 -
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darkezero wrote:I didn't and still don't expect to see the BPC in my hands until September, and given the bpc is in the lp store on sisi, I have altered my expectation for it to appear in the LP store on TQ to September as well, with a slight possibility of it showing in October instead of September.
Sure. Cause your experience of redeemables is they get delivered a month after being promised? Wait. no. That's never been the case. Just being the anti-pop much? |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
42
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Posted - 2016.08.19 05:48:46 -
[73] - Quote
Syrias Bizniz wrote:OP: Start shooting a Jita Monument and rally as many people as you can to do the same. I'll be honest, whoever designed those capitals and designed their projected pricing is not beneficial to CCP to have in their Dev Team.
Edit: I'll come a long and shoot with ya
If it comes to it, then so be it, thank you! |
Solecist Project
32213
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Posted - 2016.08.19 11:18:10 -
[74] - Quote
Discordia Duenna wrote:Syrias Bizniz wrote:OP: Start shooting a Jita Monument and rally as many people as you can to do the same. I'll be honest, whoever designed those capitals and designed their projected pricing is not beneficial to CCP to have in their Dev Team.
Edit: I'll come a long and shoot with ya If it comes to it, then so be it, thank you! You could just post on reddit and in the proper forum ... ... but i guess this at least is a show. ^_^
If you keep it up you might get featured in Scope News! :D
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Breaking Fast
Eagle Wing Asset Management
9
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Posted - 2016.08.19 12:39:10 -
[75] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:Discordia Duenna wrote:Syrias Bizniz wrote:OP: Start shooting a Jita Monument and rally as many people as you can to do the same. I'll be honest, whoever designed those capitals and designed their projected pricing is not beneficial to CCP to have in their Dev Team.
Edit: I'll come a long and shoot with ya If it comes to it, then so be it, thank you! You could just post on reddit and in the proper forum ... ... but i guess this at least is a show. ^_^ If you keep it up you might get featured in Scope News! :D
Not sure when Reddit became the official Forum for EvE, but maybe thats another mistake on the part of CCP, posting more on Reddit than these forums here. |
Serene Repose
2758
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Posted - 2016.08.19 12:45:37 -
[76] - Quote
Discordia Duenna wrote:...the sloth better get out of it's coma soon...cause otherwise it's gonna be a sloth burned to a crisp. You rock.
We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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Major Trant
287 Marine Regiment
1485
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Posted - 2016.08.19 12:52:10 -
[77] - Quote
Good write up OP and I kind of feel for you. But there is a possibility that CCP might be considering re-jigging the build costs given the sh*t people are posting about them. Thus handing them out now for people to build them with the old costs is going to stuff someone even worse. I can well understand CCP wanting to keep knowledge of such consideration in-house until they have a definite plan and all they have to do is to sit on these prizes until they stop arguing among themselves.
I'm sure you will get some period of exclusivity as promised, but I think your real problem is an unrealistic expectation of their value based on the Revenant experience.
So CCP have released them on SISI! Sorry but doing that has not broken any promise or contract you seem to think they have with you.
Maybe I'm not bitter enough, but hold on until they have actually shafted you, I'll back you if that happens. o7 |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14444
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Posted - 2016.08.19 12:58:45 -
[78] - Quote
Anyone who understands that CCP promises you nothing and CCP owes you nothing (beyond 30 days game time in exchange for 15 bucks) is bound to be happier than the OP.
This is the same kind of post as you get when CCP re-balances some ship that someone "invested many hours getting good in!". CCP never said they wouldn't change things or go back on things previous ccp 'administrations' said. Geckos anyone?
If you don't like this reality, stop giving them money. That is your only recourse. |
embrel
BamBam Inc.
281
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Posted - 2016.08.19 12:59:19 -
[79] - Quote
sorry to say: I had to smile. |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
49
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Posted - 2016.08.19 13:02:07 -
[80] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Anyone who understands that CCP promises you nothing and CCP owes you nothing (beyond 30 days game time in exchange for 15 bucks) is bound to be happier than the OP.
This is the same kind of post as you get when CCP re-balances some ship that someone "invested many hours getting good in!". CCP never said they wouldn't change things or go back on things previous ccp 'administrations' said. Geckos anyone?
If you don't like this reality, stop giving them money. That is your only recourse.
No it's nothing like that. Nothing at all. Skilling is not an activity, it's a passive accumulation, ships skills and competitions are not even the same ball park. Stopping giving them my money, doesn't help me engage with the problem. I love EvE Online, I'd work harder to change it than just walk away from it.
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Solecist Project
32214
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Posted - 2016.08.19 13:04:26 -
[81] - Quote
Breaking Fast wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Discordia Duenna wrote:Syrias Bizniz wrote:OP: Start shooting a Jita Monument and rally as many people as you can to do the same. I'll be honest, whoever designed those capitals and designed their projected pricing is not beneficial to CCP to have in their Dev Team.
Edit: I'll come a long and shoot with ya If it comes to it, then so be it, thank you! You could just post on reddit and in the proper forum ... ... but i guess this at least is a show. ^_^ If you keep it up you might get featured in Scope News! :D Not sure when Reddit became the official Forum for EvE, but maybe thats another mistake on the part of CCP, posting more on Reddit than these forums here. I was merely stating helpful options, the rest is outside of the scope. :)
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Solecist Project
32214
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Posted - 2016.08.19 13:08:17 -
[82] - Quote
Discordia Duenna wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Anyone who understands that CCP promises you nothing and CCP owes you nothing (beyond 30 days game time in exchange for 15 bucks) is bound to be happier than the OP.
This is the same kind of post as you get when CCP re-balances some ship that someone "invested many hours getting good in!". CCP never said they wouldn't change things or go back on things previous ccp 'administrations' said. Geckos anyone?
If you don't like this reality, stop giving them money. That is your only recourse. No it's nothing like that. Nothing at all. Skilling is not an activity, it's a passive accumulation, ships skills and competitions are not even the same ball park. Stopping giving them my money, doesn't help me engage with the problem. I love EvE Online, I'd work harder to change it than just walk away from it. Thank you for voicing your opinion in such a great manner. We need more of you and less yes-sayers, look-awayers and bitter gave-uppers!
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
49
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Posted - 2016.08.19 13:10:03 -
[83] - Quote
Major Trant wrote:Good write up OP and I kind of feel for you. But there is a possibility that CCP might be considering re-jigging the build costs given the sh*t people are posting about them. Thus handing them out now for people to build them with the old costs is going to stuff someone even worse. I can well understand CCP wanting to keep knowledge of such consideration in-house until they have a definite plan and all they have to do is to sit on these prizes until they stop arguing among themselves.
I'm sure you will get some period of exclusivity as promised, but I think your real problem is an unrealistic expectation of their value based on the Revenant experience.
So CCP have released them on SISI! Sorry but doing that has not broken any promise or contract you seem to think they have with you.
Maybe I'm not bitter enough, but hold on until they have actually shafted you, I'll back you if that happens. o7
Glad you aren't bitter, becoming a bittervet is a terrible thing indeed and I have avoided this pitfall, while I watched the bittervetness devour other players alive.
All I want is what was promised, I have no unrealistic expectations beyond that. I also hope this makes CCP take their events more seriously, because ran right, they have something special here. Ignore the people who could only see the grind, the people who said this stuff carried on with the same old boring grind they have done in eve since the day they started playing. The event was great fun! If you didn't enjoy it, well I guess you enjoyed your DED's, anoms, roids and hauling as i zipped past you.
They didn't have a contract, they made commitments, in writing and recorded. They have yet to deliver. If they are having in house discussions on build costs then great, because that's an issue I championed before I even started running the event. See this posthttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=487286&find=unread
Let's see shall we. |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
49
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Posted - 2016.08.19 13:11:47 -
[84] - Quote
I tried posting on reddit, but in the years I have read on reddit, I have never posted and for some reason no one can see my post, I'm a reddit noob. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14444
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Posted - 2016.08.19 13:11:50 -
[85] - Quote
Discordia Duenna wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Anyone who understands that CCP promises you nothing and CCP owes you nothing (beyond 30 days game time in exchange for 15 bucks) is bound to be happier than the OP.
This is the same kind of post as you get when CCP re-balances some ship that someone "invested many hours getting good in!". CCP never said they wouldn't change things or go back on things previous ccp 'administrations' said. Geckos anyone?
If you don't like this reality, stop giving them money. That is your only recourse. No it's nothing like that. Nothing at all. Skilling is not an activity, it's a passive accumulation, ships skills and competitions are not even the same ball park. Stopping giving them my money, doesn't help me engage with the problem. I love EvE Online, I'd work harder to change it than just walk away from it.
You are just another customer. No amount of chirping on a forum is going to change anything. Hell, you can't even be sure anyone from CCP even read what you posted, and as you can see from the replies, you haven't even garnered anything like overwhelming support for the issue you raise.
Life offers 2 choices, try (usually in vain) to change other people into something you think they should be or govern yourself better (in this case, don't spend so much of your precious and irreplaceable time on earth chasing imaginary ship blueprints) because all you can really control is yourself.
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
49
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Posted - 2016.08.19 13:15:04 -
[86] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Discordia Duenna wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Anyone who understands that CCP promises you nothing and CCP owes you nothing (beyond 30 days game time in exchange for 15 bucks) is bound to be happier than the OP.
This is the same kind of post as you get when CCP re-balances some ship that someone "invested many hours getting good in!". CCP never said they wouldn't change things or go back on things previous ccp 'administrations' said. Geckos anyone?
If you don't like this reality, stop giving them money. That is your only recourse. No it's nothing like that. Nothing at all. Skilling is not an activity, it's a passive accumulation, ships skills and competitions are not even the same ball park. Stopping giving them my money, doesn't help me engage with the problem. I love EvE Online, I'd work harder to change it than just walk away from it. You are just another customer. No amount of chirping on a forum is going to change anything. Hell, you can't even be sure anyone from CCP even read what you posted, and as you can see from the replies, you haven't even garnered anything like overwhelming support for the issue you raise. Life offers 2 choices, try (usually in vain) to change other people into something you think they should be or govern yourself better (in this case, don't spend so much of your precious and irreplaceable time on earth chasing imaginary ship blueprints) because all you can really control is yourself.
I disagree. I have started many student schemes and projects, been published in books, changed the lives of many people and managed to get communities to turn their political votes on their heads, where you see pointless effort, I see a niche, a problem to solve. Sometimes this approach leaves me exhausted, but I have created change and I don't shy away from impossible challenges, I relish them. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14444
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Posted - 2016.08.19 13:21:34 -
[87] - Quote
Discordia Duenna wrote:
I disagree. I have started many student schemes and projects, been published in books, changed the lives of many people and managed to get communities to turn their political votes on their heads, where you see pointless effort, I see a niche, a problem to solve. Sometimes this approach leaves me exhausted, but I have created change and I don't shy away from impossible challenges, I relish them.
Not surprising in the least. |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
52
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Posted - 2016.08.19 13:28:51 -
[88] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Discordia Duenna wrote:
I disagree. I have started many student schemes and projects, been published in books, changed the lives of many people and managed to get communities to turn their political votes on their heads, where you see pointless effort, I see a niche, a problem to solve. Sometimes this approach leaves me exhausted, but I have created change and I don't shy away from impossible challenges, I relish them.
Not surprising in the least.
Problem is I'm a natural scientist and a social one, and an entrepreneur. Don't pigeon hole me :) What I listed before was only over 2 years :) And I promise not to pigeon hole you, m'kay? |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
52
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Posted - 2016.08.19 13:30:39 -
[89] - Quote
Jenn I do ascribe to self governance and working to change social governance, the two are interlinked and inseparable no? |
Major Trant
287 Marine Regiment
1486
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Posted - 2016.08.19 13:42:35 -
[90] - Quote
Discordia Duenna wrote:...All I want is what was promised, I have no unrealistic expectations beyond that. I also hope this makes CCP take their events more seriously, because ran right, they have something special here. Ignore the people who could only see the grind, the people who said this stuff carried on with the same old boring grind they have done in eve since the day they started playing. The event was great fun! If you didn't enjoy it, well I guess you enjoyed your DED's, anoms, roids and hauling as i zipped past you.
They didn't have a contract, they made commitments, in writing and recorded. They have yet to deliver... Yes but they haven't broken those commitments yet. They have only promised to giving you your prize before releasing them via the Serp LP store. As I said if there is a problem with the item, they have to delay both events. If they haven't got a solution/date, you can't really blame them for not communication that they 'don't know', especially when they haven't reached any deadline.
You can't blame CCP for the 450 hours you put into the event either, that was your choice. CCP never designed the event to take 450 hours of grind, you did that because you could and were competing with other similarly minded players. If 200 hours had been enough you would have stopped. Why were you competing? You must have thought it was worth it. It is clear your frustration is bourne out of the realisation that you over valued the prize, not that you haven't got it yet. Sorry, not trying to troll. |
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
54
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Posted - 2016.08.19 13:55:27 -
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Major Trant wrote:Discordia Duenna wrote:...All I want is what was promised, I have no unrealistic expectations beyond that. I also hope this makes CCP take their events more seriously, because ran right, they have something special here. Ignore the people who could only see the grind, the people who said this stuff carried on with the same old boring grind they have done in eve since the day they started playing. The event was great fun! If you didn't enjoy it, well I guess you enjoyed your DED's, anoms, roids and hauling as i zipped past you.
They didn't have a contract, they made commitments, in writing and recorded. They have yet to deliver... Yes but they haven't broken those commitments yet. They have only promised to giving you your prize before releasing them via the Serp LP store. As I said if there is a problem with the item, they have to delay both events. If they haven't got a solution/date, you can't really blame them for not communication that they 'don't know', especially when they haven't reached any deadline. You can't blame CCP for the 450 hours you put into the event either, that was your choice. CCP never designed the event to take 450 hours of grind, you did that because you could and were competing with other similarly minded players. If 200 hours had been enough you would have stopped. Why were you competing? You must have thought it was worth it. It is clear your frustration is bourne out of the realisation that you over valued the prize, not that you haven't got it yet. Sorry, not trying to troll.
I see all your points. No I didn't over value the prize. I don't have a prize too value. On the o7 show it is clearly stated that we have been awarded these prizes, we have not. I can't overvalue a prize that is only 1 of 5 of such item in game, I can name my price. I did what it took to place. Would I do it again looking back, absolutley. I got alot out of this event, but I just can't fathom many of the views here. If I mined some asteroids and nothing ever appeared in my ore hold, something is wrong no? If the bounty from the rats I popped never entered my wallet? If I had not placed, as I have stated before, I could walk away feeling satisfied, but I did, and myself and most of the other top 10 I have spoken to, were expecting the results to be announced within 24hrs. You don't leave people standing around after the 1,500m in the olympics, do you?
I get all you are saying, but I have to stay this side of the fence on this one. |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
54
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Posted - 2016.08.19 14:00:19 -
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Here let me show you how easy it is:
(fake CCP publicity)
Shadow of Serpentis event has started
Insert event details here
Winners will be announced on --/--/-- and awarded prizes on --/--/--. Period of exclusivity will be x months/weeks.
Fin. |
Sonya Corvinus
Static-Noise Upholders
462
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Posted - 2016.08.19 14:03:06 -
[93] - Quote
Discordia Duenna wrote:I disagree. I have started many student schemes and projects, been published in books, changed the lives of many people and managed to get communities to turn their political votes on their heads, where you see pointless effort, I see a niche, a problem to solve. Sometimes this approach leaves me exhausted, but I have created change and I don't shy away from impossible challenges, I relish them.
"You can't build a trade hub in low sec" - Yes I can, twice.
"You can't catch up in the event!" - Yes I did.
"You can't mine in a hulk in Amamake!" - 6 Gravi belts in Amamake fell to my "Beast of Amamake"
"You can't survive in low sec without losing a ship" - 4 years in Aridia and my only loss was an unfit venture I offered to the LowSechnya gods on my way out of that hellhole.
"You can't"
"You can't" - No. You can't
Your arrogance and sense of entitlement in this thread is astounding |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
57
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Posted - 2016.08.19 14:07:05 -
[94] - Quote
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Your arrogance and sense of entitlement in this thread is astounding
Your lack of self esteem is quite apparent. I am entitled to a bpc and the knowledge of how long the period of exclusivity will be. I don't THINK I should have it, I know I should, it what was written on the tin before I opened it. You also seem to be a little envious, deal with it. |
Solecist Project
32217
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Posted - 2016.08.19 14:08:51 -
[95] - Quote
Sonya Corvinus wrote:Discordia Duenna wrote:I disagree. I have started many student schemes and projects, been published in books, changed the lives of many people and managed to get communities to turn their political votes on their heads, where you see pointless effort, I see a niche, a problem to solve. Sometimes this approach leaves me exhausted, but I have created change and I don't shy away from impossible challenges, I relish them.
"You can't build a trade hub in low sec" - Yes I can, twice.
"You can't catch up in the event!" - Yes I did.
"You can't mine in a hulk in Amamake!" - 6 Gravi belts in Amamake fell to my "Beast of Amamake"
"You can't survive in low sec without losing a ship" - 4 years in Aridia and my only loss was an unfit venture I offered to the LowSechnya gods on my way out of that hellhole.
"You can't"
"You can't" - No. You can't Your arrogance and sense of entitlement in this thread is astounding Funny how you see that. What I see is an achiever who has no issues telling it ... ... even to the masses of unachievers who will only say things like you do.
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
195
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Posted - 2016.08.19 14:10:21 -
[96] - Quote
You grinded 450h in this event and you are only 9th? Wat.
450h of grinding ... WTF
and some people even did more? waaaabblllee aeef fasf 3dkfv sdfvb pgg dfgbv ezgb gg 9g gdsg dfg regrhgd |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
57
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Posted - 2016.08.19 14:10:59 -
[97] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:Sonya Corvinus wrote:Discordia Duenna wrote:I disagree. I have started many student schemes and projects, been published in books, changed the lives of many people and managed to get communities to turn their political votes on their heads, where you see pointless effort, I see a niche, a problem to solve. Sometimes this approach leaves me exhausted, but I have created change and I don't shy away from impossible challenges, I relish them.
"You can't build a trade hub in low sec" - Yes I can, twice.
"You can't catch up in the event!" - Yes I did.
"You can't mine in a hulk in Amamake!" - 6 Gravi belts in Amamake fell to my "Beast of Amamake"
"You can't survive in low sec without losing a ship" - 4 years in Aridia and my only loss was an unfit venture I offered to the LowSechnya gods on my way out of that hellhole.
"You can't"
"You can't" - No. You can't Your arrogance and sense of entitlement in this thread is astounding Funny how you see that. What I see is an achiever who has no issues telling it ... ... even to the masses of unachievers who will only say things like you do. Most people who are negative towards those who do ... themselves don't do ... ... and then of course react in a negative way.
Yup been put in a hole a few times by the mob. The mob can eat it. I really don't care for people who have nothing constructive to add and can only go for the take-down, get your self esteem elsewhere.
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
57
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Posted - 2016.08.19 14:13:21 -
[98] - Quote
Algarion Getz wrote:You grinded 450h in this event and you are only 9th? Wat.
450h of grinding ... WTF
and some people even did more? waaaabblllee aeef fasf 3dkfv sdfvb pgg dfgbv ezgb gg 9g gdsg dfg regrhgd
That's how i felt after DT on the final day.
no.8 "Alen Asques > My face is melting"
after i finished up the final 500 pts with him just before dt. |
Sonya Corvinus
Static-Noise Upholders
464
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Posted - 2016.08.19 14:24:25 -
[99] - Quote
Discordia Duenna wrote:Your lack of self esteem is quite apparent. I am entitled to a bpc and the knowledge of how long the period of exclusivity will be. I don't THINK I should have it, I know I should, it what was written on the tin before I opened it. You also seem to be a little envious, deal with it.
You're not entitled to anything. Thanks for proving my point, though.
I didn't run a single site for this event. I'm not envious. I never participate in things like this, they aren't my thing.
Solecist Project wrote:Funny how you see that. What I see is an achiever who has no issues telling it ... ... even to the masses of unachievers who will only say things like you do.
You literally just described an arrogant person... |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
58
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Posted - 2016.08.19 14:29:19 -
[100] - Quote
Sonya Corvinus wrote:Discordia Duenna wrote:Your lack of self esteem is quite apparent. I am entitled to a bpc and the knowledge of how long the period of exclusivity will be. I don't THINK I should have it, I know I should, it what was written on the tin before I opened it. You also seem to be a little envious, deal with it. You're not entitled to anything. Thanks for proving my point, though. I didn't run a single site for this event. I'm not envious. I never participate in things like this, they aren't my thing. Solecist Project wrote:Funny how you see that. What I see is an achiever who has no issues telling it ... ... even to the masses of unachievers who will only say things like you do. You literally just described an arrogant person...
I am not arrogant at all. Then perhaps I misjudged you, it happens. If one lists their achievements it's arrogance, if one shys away from doing so, you aren't valuing yourself. Humans make being human impossible.
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Solecist Project
32217
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Posted - 2016.08.19 14:31:39 -
[101] - Quote
Sonya Corvinus wrote:Discordia Duenna wrote:Your lack of self esteem is quite apparent. I am entitled to a bpc and the knowledge of how long the period of exclusivity will be. I don't THINK I should have it, I know I should, it what was written on the tin before I opened it. You also seem to be a little envious, deal with it. You're not entitled to anything. Thanks for proving my point, though. I didn't run a single site for this event. I'm not envious. I never participate in things like this, they aren't my thing. Solecist Project wrote:Funny how you see that. What I see is an achiever who has no issues telling it ... ... even to the masses of unachievers who will only say things like you do. You literally just described an arrogant person... So I described you, who sits on the other side of the medal with no achievements to talk about? Okay, well, good you realized. Envy is really bad, you should spend time reflecting on that.
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Sonya Corvinus
Static-Noise Upholders
466
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Posted - 2016.08.19 14:43:23 -
[102] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:So I described you, who sits on the other side of the medal with no achievements to talk about? Okay, well, good you realized. Envy is really bad, you should spend time reflecting on that.
I have achievements in the game, I just don't need to stroke my epeen by talking about it on the forums.
But hey, if you need to brag on the forums to get your rocks off, go right ahead, as sad as that is... |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14445
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Posted - 2016.08.19 14:52:57 -
[103] - Quote
None of this is about achievements.
It's about a player who put too much time into a thing that most of us who PVE in this game knew from the start wasn't worth it, who then feels cheated because he hasn't gotten his reward (in a game where it has always taken a long time for the developers to hand out rewards) and because that reward might become available in other ways (ie he's just like the not-smart people who horded gekcos "because CCP said they wouldn't make anymore!!!").
When informed that his problems are entirely self-inflicted because of his entirely unreasonable worldview and some really bad expectations, the OP responds with nonsense about social change and whatnot. This is why people like the OP will suffer these self inflicted wounds forever, they spend loads of time complaining about what others (CCP in this case) do instead of taking the tiny fraction of time to concluded that they missed something and should probably not repeat that mistake again.
I stopped replying to the OP as soon as he started spouting that "changing people's lives" BS, you can't talk sense to a crusader, because the crusade is how they judge themselves (so asking them to see a different perspective is asking them to question themselves, a non-starter if ever there was one). |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
58
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Posted - 2016.08.19 14:53:03 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:Solecist Project wrote:So I described you, who sits on the other side of the medal with no achievements to talk about? Okay, well, good you realized. Envy is really bad, you should spend time reflecting on that. I have achievements in the game, I just don't need to stroke my epeen by talking about it on the forums. But hey, if you need to brag on the forums to get your rocks off, go right ahead, as sad as that is...
If that is the way you want to see it, that's up to you. I don't need to brag about anything, I made a list of stuff that people said I couldn't do that I did. Only to elaborate on a point made that said I should basically stop wasting my time with CCP, how I wish to "waste" my time is up to me. If you wish to conclude from this that I am arrogant, then that is up to you. It makes no difference to me, that is not what this thread is about. Chill out, either contribute to the discussion or go on your merry way hurling insults at other people for your epeen. |
Major Trant
287 Marine Regiment
1489
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Posted - 2016.08.19 14:57:20 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:None of this is about achievements.
It's about a player who put too much time into a thing that most of us who PVE in this game knew from the start wasn't worth it, who then feels cheated because he hasn't gotten his reward (in a game where it has always taken a long time for the developers to hand out rewards) and because that reward might become available in other ways (ie he's just like the not-smart people who horded gekcos "because CCP said they wouldn't make anymore!!!").
When informed that his problems are entirely self-inflicted because of his entirely unreasonable worldview and some really bad expectations, the OP responds with nonsense about social change and whatnot. This is why people like the OP will suffer these self inflicted wounds forever, they spend loads of time complaining about what others (CCP in this case) do instead of taking the tiny fraction of time to concluded that they missed something and should probably not repeat that mistake again.
I stopped replying to the OP as soon as he started spouting that "changing people's lives" BS, you can't talk sense to a crusader, because the crusade is how they judge themselves (so asking them to see a different perspective is asking them to question themselves, a non-starter if ever there was one). THEY MADE MORE GECKOS? |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14446
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Posted - 2016.08.19 14:59:54 -
[106] - Quote
Major Trant wrote:[quote=Jenn aSide] THEY MADE MORE GECKOS?
More than they said they would lol.
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
58
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Posted - 2016.08.19 15:03:24 -
[107] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:None of this is about achievements.
It's about a player who put too much time into a thing that most of us who PVE in this game knew from the start wasn't worth it, who then feels cheated because he hasn't gotten his reward (in a game where it has always taken a long time for the developers to hand out rewards) and because that reward might become available in other ways (ie he's just like the not-smart people who horded gekcos "because CCP said they wouldn't make anymore!!!").
When informed that his problems are entirely self-inflicted because of his entirely unreasonable worldview and some really bad expectations, the OP responds with nonsense about social change and whatnot. This is why people like the OP will suffer these self inflicted wounds forever, they spend loads of time complaining about what others (CCP in this case) do instead of taking the tiny fraction of time to concluded that they missed something and should probably not repeat that mistake again.
I stopped replying to the OP as soon as he started spouting that "changing people's lives" BS, you can't talk sense to a crusader, because the crusade is how they judge themselves (so asking them to see a different perspective is asking them to question themselves, a non-starter if ever there was one).
Quite the post. Not a crusade, just trying to redress the communicational errors that CCP has made, it isn't just me that's annoyed by this. You tie some really unconnected points together to make your statement here. You want me to just walk away jaded like you are, I get it. I'm not you.
I am not actually privy to information on how long rewards take to be distributed, maybe you are, in which case surely you know how long this has taken in the past, now that would be helpful. If you don't know and have just said this to make your point, then shame on you.
Self-inflicted wounds...hmmm...I'm sure we all have some of those. I won't be running an event like this in eve again, to the best of my knowledge, but I did enjoy it. I have learned from all my mistakes in life. If you knew the event wasn't worth it, then why are you letting CCP continue to make "not worth it events". The last time I checked, CCP actually does listen to it's playerbase, sure it can take ages and ages, but they get there in the end and certainly not because of people giving up on issues they have with mechanics or features. I just can't share this defeatist attitude.
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Solecist Project
32219
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Posted - 2016.08.19 15:18:12 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:Solecist Project wrote:So I described you, who sits on the other side of the medal with no achievements to talk about? Okay, well, good you realized. Envy is really bad, you should spend time reflecting on that. I have achievements in the game, I just don't need to stroke my epeen by talking about it on the forums. But hey, if you need to brag on the forums to get your rocks off, go right ahead, as sad as that is... And that's the thing ... she didn't. Only in your head, ignoring the context of why she mentioned it.
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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CCP Falcon
13062
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Posted - 2016.08.19 15:30:21 -
[109] - Quote
I'm not sure why you feel cheated, or like there's not exclusivity to the prizes because they've been released on to Singularity.
Singularity is a test environment that has absolutely no bearing on the live gameplay environment in terms of people "getting things first".
Every single item that goes into the live game environment you play in first goes to staging on CHAOS, then to Singularity, before being deployed to Tranquility. These blueprints are no different. You haven't "lost exclusivity" on your prizes. You'll still have them in advance of everyone else, and trust me, with the blueprints that are coming, they'll be VERY valuable.
Generally when we finish an event, the prizes are handed out on or around the next release, which is typically within 4-6 weeks after the event ends with the previous release.
In this instance, the blueprints are due to be given out next week, once they've been specially authored for the winners, actually earlier than the usual time frame that we would issue prizes in.
These are the first blueprints, and will be created manually outside any of our automated loot drop or LP rewards systems, so they have to be created manually by a game designer before being put into the redeeming system, or dropped into winner's hangars, also manually.
Our game designers are generally incredibly busy, so this type of work gets added to their tasks for their current sprint. Sprints last two weeks. It's coming up on two weeks since the last release.
The blueprints will be out there in the hands of the winners next week, no worries.
CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14446
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Posted - 2016.08.19 15:31:03 -
[110] - Quote
Discordia Duenna wrote:
Self-inflicted wounds...hmmm...I'm sure we all have some of those. I won't be running an event like this in eve again, to the best of my knowledge, but I did enjoy it. I have learned from all my mistakes in life. If you knew the event wasn't worth it, then why are you letting CCP continue to make "not worth it events". The last time I checked, CCP actually does listen to it's playerbase, sure it can take ages and ages, but they get there in the end and certainly not because of people giving up on issues they have with mechanics or features. I just can't share this defeatist attitude.
I didn't "let" CCP do anything, I'm just a customer, like you are. Folks like you seem to think players have more control than they do, which is why they end up dissapointed with things like the CSM whereas folks like me (that know what the term "advisory board" really means) didn't. You can't be dissapointed when you know something has no real power.
That said, after Frostline I did post and tell them that they were making a mistake moving away from the Crimson Harvest template for events. CH was a smashing success, Frostline less so and Shadow the worst of all. I post them a couple times, then i shut up because , at the end of the day, i know that CCP doesn't owe me anything beyond the 30 days of game time i pay for every month..
No one "gave up", some of us are simply a lot better at understanding that not every situation needs to manipulated by some self appointed 'change agent' type (who isn't asking for change for everyone else, but it mad they didn't get some super lucrative imaginary spaceship bpc yet).
To the unrealistic person, adhering to the realities of the situation and learning from the past (CCP is not great at events, I applied that knowledge to Shadow and knew it would be a waste of time) somehow equates to "defeatism". You have much in common with the folks who are still talking about WiS years after the fact of it's demise. |
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
60
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Posted - 2016.08.19 15:40:31 -
[111] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:I'm not sure why you feel cheated, or like there's not exclusivity to the prizes because they've been released on to Singularity. Singularity is a test environment that has absolutely no bearing on the live gameplay environment in terms of people "getting things first". Every single item that goes into the live game environment you play in first goes to staging on CHAOS, then to Singularity, before being deployed to Tranquility. These blueprints are no different. You haven't "lost exclusivity" on your prizes. You'll still have them in advance of everyone else, and trust me, with the blueprints that are coming, they'll be VERY valuable. Generally when we finish an event, the prizes are handed out on or around the next release, which is typically within 4-6 weeks after the event ends with the previous release. In this instance, the blueprints are due to be given out next week, once they've been specially authored for the winners, actually earlier than the usual time frame that we would issue prizes in. These are the first blueprints, and will be created manually outside any of our automated loot drop or LP rewards systems, so they have to be created manually by a game designer before being put into the redeeming system, or dropped into winner's hangars, also manually. Our game designers are generally incredibly busy, so this type of work gets added to their tasks for their current sprint. Sprints last two weeks. It's coming up on two weeks since the last release. The blueprints will be out there in the hands of the winners next week, no worries.
Thank you for your concise response CCP Falcon, very much appreciated. I would hope that you could include these details in the small print before future events go live perhaps?
Thank you again for addressing this issue and I hope you can avoid it in the future, the up in the air feeling is a little disconcerting.
Cheers
DD |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
60
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Posted - 2016.08.19 15:44:59 -
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I hoped you enjoyed the story of the event anyways :) |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
61
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Posted - 2016.08.19 15:54:12 -
[113] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:[quote=Discordia Duenna]
That said, after Frostline I did post and tell them that they were making a mistake moving away from the Crimson Harvest template for events. CH was a smashing success, Frostline less so and Shadow the worst of all. I post them a couple times, then i shut up because , at the end of the day, i know that CCP doesn't owe me anything beyond the 30 days of game time i pay for every month..
I missed those events, got a linky to what they were like? Also Bring back WiS??? :P
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Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
516
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Posted - 2016.08.19 16:27:06 -
[114] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:I'm not sure why you feel cheated, or like there's not exclusivity to the prizes because they've been released on to Singularity. Singularity is a test environment that has absolutely no bearing on the live gameplay environment in terms of people "getting things first". Every single item that goes into the live game environment you play in first goes to staging on CHAOS, then to Singularity, before being deployed to Tranquility. These blueprints are no different. You haven't "lost exclusivity" on your prizes. You'll still have them in advance of everyone else, and trust me, with the blueprints that are coming, they'll be VERY valuable. Generally when we finish an event, the prizes are handed out on or around the next release, which is typically within 4-6 weeks after the event ends with the previous release. In this instance, the blueprints are due to be given out next week, once they've been specially authored for the winners, actually earlier than the usual time frame that we would issue prizes in. These are the first blueprints, and will be created manually outside any of our automated loot drop or LP rewards systems, so they have to be created manually by a game designer before being put into the redeeming system, or dropped into winner's hangars, also manually. Our game designers are generally incredibly busy, so this type of work gets added to their tasks for their current sprint. Sprints last two weeks. It's coming up on two weeks since the last release. The blueprints will be out there in the hands of the winners next week, no worries.
Ok it's nothing to do with me, but....
You had all the time in the build up, you had the 40 days of the event, and you've had the weeks since.
It seems to me as if you have had plenty of time to ready the prizes.
Everything you just put is just a **** poor excuse. You know the events are coming well in advance of the players, you should've been ready to hand them out. (I bet the AT prizes will be ready)
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Scotsman Howard
S0utherN Comfort Test Alliance Please Ignore
144
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Posted - 2016.08.19 16:29:29 -
[115] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:I'm not sure why you feel cheated, or like there's not exclusivity to the prizes because they've been released on to Singularity. Singularity is a test environment that has absolutely no bearing on the live gameplay environment in terms of people "getting things first". Every single item that goes into the live game environment you play in first goes to staging on CHAOS, then to Singularity, before being deployed to Tranquility. These blueprints are no different. You haven't "lost exclusivity" on your prizes. You'll still have them in advance of everyone else, and trust me, with the blueprints that are coming, they'll be VERY valuable. Generally when we finish an event, the prizes are handed out on or around the next release, which is typically within 4-6 weeks after the event ends with the previous release. In this instance, the blueprints are due to be given out next week, once they've been specially authored for the winners, actually earlier than the usual time frame that we would issue prizes in. These are the first blueprints, and will be created manually outside any of our automated loot drop or LP rewards systems, so they have to be created manually by a game designer before being put into the redeeming system, or dropped into winner's hangars, also manually. Our game designers are generally incredibly busy, so this type of work gets added to their tasks for their current sprint. Sprints last two weeks. It's coming up on two weeks since the last release. The blueprints will be out there in the hands of the winners next week, no worries.
This is an incredibly kind response for a childish outburst. Seriously if I were you I would ban-hammer just for being annoying and crying about how the person has been ripped off when he/she hasn't. Mad props for having the resolve to not go off on people. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
8001
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Posted - 2016.08.19 16:39:49 -
[116] - Quote
Drago Shouna wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I'm not sure why you feel cheated, or like there's not exclusivity to the prizes because they've been released on to Singularity. Singularity is a test environment that has absolutely no bearing on the live gameplay environment in terms of people "getting things first". Every single item that goes into the live game environment you play in first goes to staging on CHAOS, then to Singularity, before being deployed to Tranquility. These blueprints are no different. You haven't "lost exclusivity" on your prizes. You'll still have them in advance of everyone else, and trust me, with the blueprints that are coming, they'll be VERY valuable. Generally when we finish an event, the prizes are handed out on or around the next release, which is typically within 4-6 weeks after the event ends with the previous release. In this instance, the blueprints are due to be given out next week, once they've been specially authored for the winners, actually earlier than the usual time frame that we would issue prizes in. These are the first blueprints, and will be created manually outside any of our automated loot drop or LP rewards systems, so they have to be created manually by a game designer before being put into the redeeming system, or dropped into winner's hangars, also manually. Our game designers are generally incredibly busy, so this type of work gets added to their tasks for their current sprint. Sprints last two weeks. It's coming up on two weeks since the last release. The blueprints will be out there in the hands of the winners next week, no worries. Ok it's nothing to do with me, but.... You had all the time in the build up, you had the 40 days of the event, and you've had the weeks since. It seems to me as if you have had plenty of time to ready the prizes. Everything you just put is just a **** poor excuse. You know the events are coming well in advance of the players, you should've been ready to hand them out. (I bet the AT prizes will be ready)
Possibly they were not sure anybody would participate.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
64
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Posted - 2016.08.19 17:01:56 -
[117] - Quote
Scotsman Howard wrote: This is an incredibly kind response for a childish outburst. Seriously if I were you I would ban-hammer just for being annoying and crying about how the person has been ripped off when he/she hasn't. Mad props for having the resolve to not go off on people.
It is a kind response, maybe he is being sensitive to the very real amount of time invested by participants. As for comments about this being a childish outburst. I challenge you to invest this much time in something and be greeted by silence at the end of your time.
I don't think my post was childish at all, if that were the case, then surely I should have led with a childish response rather than a report of my most excellent experience running the event. You waited for a CCP response before even posting. Man up. |
Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
329
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Posted - 2016.08.19 17:05:48 -
[118] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Drago Shouna wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I'm not sure why you feel cheated, or like there's not exclusivity to the prizes because they've been released on to Singularity. Singularity is a test environment that has absolutely no bearing on the live gameplay environment in terms of people "getting things first". Every single item that goes into the live game environment you play in first goes to staging on CHAOS, then to Singularity, before being deployed to Tranquility. These blueprints are no different. You haven't "lost exclusivity" on your prizes. You'll still have them in advance of everyone else, and trust me, with the blueprints that are coming, they'll be VERY valuable. Generally when we finish an event, the prizes are handed out on or around the next release, which is typically within 4-6 weeks after the event ends with the previous release. In this instance, the blueprints are due to be given out next week, once they've been specially authored for the winners, actually earlier than the usual time frame that we would issue prizes in. These are the first blueprints, and will be created manually outside any of our automated loot drop or LP rewards systems, so they have to be created manually by a game designer before being put into the redeeming system, or dropped into winner's hangars, also manually. Our game designers are generally incredibly busy, so this type of work gets added to their tasks for their current sprint. Sprints last two weeks. It's coming up on two weeks since the last release. The blueprints will be out there in the hands of the winners next week, no worries. Ok it's nothing to do with me, but.... You had all the time in the build up, you had the 40 days of the event, and you've had the weeks since. It seems to me as if you have had plenty of time to ready the prizes. Everything you just put is just a **** poor excuse. You know the events are coming well in advance of the players, you should've been ready to hand them out. (I bet the AT prizes will be ready) Possibly they were not sure anybody would participate. With this many mission bears, how could they expect anything else?
As for the LP store, their presence on sisi gives people an idea of what they'll be worth, unless the prize rewards look different and/or perform even 1% better than the ones from the LP store. The Sisi LP store prices aren't final, but they are a pretty good hint about that they're going to cost once they hit production. Making the BPC available on the Sisi LP store gave the industrial types on TQ an approximate value, so the damage is pretty much done.
A signature :o
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Syrias Bizniz
Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation
525
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Posted - 2016.08.19 17:43:22 -
[119] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:I'm not sure why you feel cheated, or like there's not exclusivity to the prizes because they've been released on to Singularity. Singularity is a test environment that has absolutely no bearing on the live gameplay environment in terms of people "getting things first". Every single item that goes into the live game environment you play in first goes to staging on CHAOS, then to Singularity, before being deployed to Tranquility. These blueprints are no different. You haven't "lost exclusivity" on your prizes. You'll still have them in advance of everyone else, and trust me, with the blueprints that are coming, they'll be VERY valuable. Generally when we finish an event, the prizes are handed out on or around the next release, which is typically within 4-6 weeks after the event ends with the previous release. In this instance, the blueprints are due to be given out next week, once they've been specially authored for the winners, actually earlier than the usual time frame that we would issue prizes in. These are the first blueprints, and will be created manually outside any of our automated loot drop or LP rewards systems, so they have to be created manually by a game designer before being put into the redeeming system, or dropped into winner's hangars, also manually. Our game designers are generally incredibly busy, so this type of work gets added to their tasks for their current sprint. Sprints last two weeks. It's coming up on two weeks since the last release. The blueprints will be out there in the hands of the winners next week, no worries.
Sounds like ME 10 TE 20 BPCs.
Anyways, CCP Falcon, it's still questionable design that these faction capitals cost abonormous amounts of ressources instead of getting the Revenant treat of having rare BPCs. I welcome new items for LP stores, but let's be rational, you'd do better adding pirate faction item BPCs to LP stores and make the capital BPCs drops from those factions' capital rats. |
Zanar Skwigelf
Boa Innovations Brothers of Tangra
10
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Posted - 2016.08.19 19:19:39 -
[120] - Quote
Quote:I challenge you to invest this much time in something and be greeted by silence at the end of your time.
Pretty sure the CEO of every large corp / alliance just died a little on the inside.
Also OP, like we've been telling you for 6 pages now, patience. Wonderful thing, isn't it? |
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Nicemeries
23
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Posted - 2016.08.19 19:52:13 -
[121] - Quote
Zanar Skwigelf wrote:Quote:I challenge you to invest this much time in something and be greeted by silence at the end of your time. Pretty sure the CEO of every large corp / alliance just died a little on the inside. Also OP, like we've been telling you for 6 pages now, patience. Wonderful thing, isn't it?
Why do you care ? Take up OP's challenge somewhere else. |
BUISNESSWOMAN
MMMONSTER ENERGY
0
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Posted - 2016.08.19 19:57:28 -
[122] - Quote
I was here 0/ |
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
579
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Posted - 2016.08.19 19:57:50 -
[123] - Quote
If they are custom BPCs rather than related in any way to the LP store they may have zero or extremely low build costs - in which case the insanely high build costs of the LP store versions would add quite a bit of value.
Additionally, they'd have rarity value to collectors who might not even use them up.
Worth considering. |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
69
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Posted - 2016.08.19 20:11:00 -
[124] - Quote
Zanar Skwigelf wrote:Quote:I challenge you to invest this much time in something and be greeted by silence at the end of your time. Pretty sure the CEO of every large corp / alliance just died a little on the inside. Also OP, like we've been telling you for 6 pages now, patience. Wonderful thing, isn't it?
Agreed, but so is being vocal when necessary. I understand an alliance leaders woes, would be nice if they got some love eh?
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
69
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Posted - 2016.08.19 20:12:51 -
[125] - Quote
BUISNESSWOMAN wrote:I was here 0/
You never did tell me your points when I met you in Genesis... :) |
Scotsman Howard
S0utherN Comfort Test Alliance Please Ignore
145
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Posted - 2016.08.19 20:18:20 -
[126] - Quote
Discordia Duenna wrote:Scotsman Howard wrote: This is an incredibly kind response for a childish outburst. Seriously if I were you I would ban-hammer just for being annoying and crying about how the person has been ripped off when he/she hasn't. Mad props for having the resolve to not go off on people.
It is a kind response, maybe he is being sensitive to the very real amount of time invested by participants. As for comments about this being a childish outburst. I challenge you to invest this much time in something and be greeted by silence at the end of your time. I don't think my post was childish at all, if that were the case, then surely I should have led with a childish response rather than a report of my most excellent experience running the event. You waited for a CCP response before even posting. Man up.
This is Eve. You don't fly what you can't afford to lose, and the same could be said for your time. Don't spend your time doing something if you are not okay that it might not pay off in the end.
You could have spent all that time and not even placed at all to get a reward. If that happened, you probably would have had a similar thread but about how much of a grind for no gain you had.
Ask your logistics, corp/alliance leadership, CCP employees, etc. what it is like to invest so much time into a game to not get praised for every little thing they do. Ask the FW players who spend hours trying to grind systems only to have all their work done in the middle of the night.
I did not say your post was childish. It was actually well written. I called your overall response childish. The amount of entitlement in it for doing so much gameplay was on the levels of your average WOW player.
Finally, as for waiting for a dev response, I would have never seen this thread had it not been for the dev responding. I read the response and it made no sense so I looked at the start of the whole stinkin thread, and what did I see? 2-3 full posts about a story of a player who spent hundreds of hours playing the game with their friends and not getting their reward fast enough.
You enjoyed your experience with the event and had fun with your friends. You made money on the loot/drops. The value of your reward was in no way affected by anything CCP has/hasn't done (hint, singularity is not tranquility and has no affect on the value of your BPCs). Even if it had been, that is their right (ask a market trader if he or she has ever lost money because of a CCP change, and they will tell you it is apart of the game). |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
70
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Posted - 2016.08.19 20:38:37 -
[127] - Quote
Scotsman Howard wrote:Discordia Duenna wrote:Scotsman Howard wrote: This is an incredibly kind response for a childish outburst. Seriously if I were you I would ban-hammer just for being annoying and crying about how the person has been ripped off when he/she hasn't. Mad props for having the resolve to not go off on people.
It is a kind response, maybe he is being sensitive to the very real amount of time invested by participants. As for comments about this being a childish outburst. I challenge you to invest this much time in something and be greeted by silence at the end of your time. I don't think my post was childish at all, if that were the case, then surely I should have led with a childish response rather than a report of my most excellent experience running the event. You waited for a CCP response before even posting. Man up. This is Eve. You don't fly what you can't afford to lose, and the same could be said for your time. Don't spend your time doing something if you are not okay that it might not pay off in the end. You could have spent all that time and not even placed at all to get a reward. If that happened, you probably would have had a similar thread but about how much of a grind for no gain you had. Ask your logistics, corp/alliance leadership, CCP employees, etc. what it is like to invest so much time into a game to not get praised for every little thing they do. Ask the FW players who spend hours trying to grind systems only to have all their work done in the middle of the night. I did not say your post was childish. It was actually well written. I called your overall response childish. The amount of entitlement in it for doing so much gameplay was on the levels of your average WOW player. Finally, as for waiting for a dev response, I would have never seen this thread had it not been for the dev responding. I read the response and it made no sense so I looked at the start of the whole stinkin thread, and what did I see? 2-3 full posts about a story of a player who spent hundreds of hours playing the game with their friends and not getting their reward fast enough. You enjoyed your experience with the event and had fun with your friends. You made money on the loot/drops. The value of your reward was in no way affected by anything CCP has/hasn't done (hint, singularity is not tranquility and has no affect on the value of your BPCs). Even if it had been, that is their right (ask a market trader if he or she has ever lost money because of a CCP change, and they will tell you it is apart of the game).
As I have said several times....sigh... Had I not placed i'd still be here supporting whoever did. I had a great time doing this event and I'd write a much longer account for CCP to pick bits from if they wish/I'll probably do it anyways. I am used to communication, I am required to communicate effectively in roles I have in life and have had. The communication surrounding this issue was poor and created much discord amongst many individuals.
The value was affected, it went from people being interested to people saying they'll wait for the lp store. How would you know? Did you win one too? My overall response might be gauged against the level of responses I received, in that department I can point to many more childish responses than my own, that perhaps I shouldn't have responded to, but alas I think everyone deserves a reply if possible, there's that communication thing creeping in again.
The thing is you can talk about how I am entitled in a general sense as an accusation, but I am not this way. I am though entitled in a literal sense to what was competed for. You win a race you get the medal. Simple. Expanding my words to mean I am entitled as a character is going beyond the scope of this topic.
If CCP learns to communicate more effectively regarding their events as a result of this thread then fantastic. I had conversations with many people before posting this and I speak for more people than myself by posting.
If you don't think I should feel a little entitlement for placing in this competition, with particular reference to being communicated to regarding what is meant to be happening post event, then you are being unfair Sir.
Believe me, I love what CCP has produced, I have said it before. I love EvE Online. I have fought in CCP's corner on numerous occasions, most of which was on the old forums. I think I have made 2 posts criticizing CCP, and both were over this event. But then I am in a position to, I have put 450 hrs into it, I know alot about it. It's easy to see why you'd think I'm like everyone else in this toxic player community, but I'm not.
"This is Eve" Yea I know :) |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
898
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Posted - 2016.08.19 20:53:07 -
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Syrias Bizniz wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I'm not sure why you feel cheated, or like there's not exclusivity to the prizes because they've been released on to Singularity. Singularity is a test environment that has absolutely no bearing on the live gameplay environment in terms of people "getting things first". Every single item that goes into the live game environment you play in first goes to staging on CHAOS, then to Singularity, before being deployed to Tranquility. These blueprints are no different. You haven't "lost exclusivity" on your prizes. You'll still have them in advance of everyone else, and trust me, with the blueprints that are coming, they'll be VERY valuable. Generally when we finish an event, the prizes are handed out on or around the next release, which is typically within 4-6 weeks after the event ends with the previous release. In this instance, the blueprints are due to be given out next week, once they've been specially authored for the winners, actually earlier than the usual time frame that we would issue prizes in. These are the first blueprints, and will be created manually outside any of our automated loot drop or LP rewards systems, so they have to be created manually by a game designer before being put into the redeeming system, or dropped into winner's hangars, also manually. Our game designers are generally incredibly busy, so this type of work gets added to their tasks for their current sprint. Sprints last two weeks. It's coming up on two weeks since the last release. The blueprints will be out there in the hands of the winners next week, no worries. Sounds like ME 10 TE 20 BPCs. Anyways, CCP Falcon, it's still questionable design that these faction capitals cost abonormous amounts of ressources instead of getting the Revenant treat of having rare BPCs. I welcome new items for LP stores, but let's be rational, you'd do better adding pirate faction item BPCs to LP stores and make the capital BPCs drops from those factions' capital rats.
That ME/TE bonus is exactly what I thought reading that too. Either that or it will be collectors item style which will of course disappear once used.
I actually agree with CCP on the build cost issue in light of the future industry arrays, barge reworks, the orca/rorqual reworks and the off grid booster changes. I shall wait for all the information on these changes BEFORE I scream bloody murder myself.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
70
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Posted - 2016.08.19 21:00:17 -
[129] - Quote
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:Syrias Bizniz wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I'm not sure why you feel cheated, or like there's not exclusivity to the prizes because they've been released on to Singularity. Singularity is a test environment that has absolutely no bearing on the live gameplay environment in terms of people "getting things first". Every single item that goes into the live game environment you play in first goes to staging on CHAOS, then to Singularity, before being deployed to Tranquility. These blueprints are no different. You haven't "lost exclusivity" on your prizes. You'll still have them in advance of everyone else, and trust me, with the blueprints that are coming, they'll be VERY valuable. Generally when we finish an event, the prizes are handed out on or around the next release, which is typically within 4-6 weeks after the event ends with the previous release. In this instance, the blueprints are due to be given out next week, once they've been specially authored for the winners, actually earlier than the usual time frame that we would issue prizes in. These are the first blueprints, and will be created manually outside any of our automated loot drop or LP rewards systems, so they have to be created manually by a game designer before being put into the redeeming system, or dropped into winner's hangars, also manually. Our game designers are generally incredibly busy, so this type of work gets added to their tasks for their current sprint. Sprints last two weeks. It's coming up on two weeks since the last release. The blueprints will be out there in the hands of the winners next week, no worries. Sounds like ME 10 TE 20 BPCs. Anyways, CCP Falcon, it's still questionable design that these faction capitals cost abonormous amounts of ressources instead of getting the Revenant treat of having rare BPCs. I welcome new items for LP stores, but let's be rational, you'd do better adding pirate faction item BPCs to LP stores and make the capital BPCs drops from those factions' capital rats. That ME/TE bonus is exactly what I thought reading that too. Either that or it will be collectors item style which will of course disappear once used. I actually agree with CCP on the build cost issue in light of the future industry arrays, barge reworks, the orca/rorqual reworks and the off grid booster changes. I shall wait for all the information on these changes BEFORE I scream bloody murder myself.
Interesting speculation, I think the 30% reduction on the Vehement was well needed though.
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darkezero
Doughboys Escalating Entropy
32
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Posted - 2016.08.19 22:13:04 -
[130] - Quote
Discordia Duenna wrote:Sure. Cause your experience of redeemables is they get delivered a month after being promised? Wait. no. That's never been the case. Just being the anti-pop much?
CCP Mimic on the o7 show "The following pilots have been rewarded with a single run supercarrier blueprint copy of the Vendetta"
Perhaps CCP and yourself need some help with tenses, "have been rewarded", this means I have the bpc already, the show being the cap on the latest I could "have been rewarded". According to CCP (just to hammer home my understanding of tenses) I have my bpc, I do not. This is a lie. A broadcasted lie.
Another lie:
"Five single-run Vendetta BPCs and five single-run Vanquisher BPCs will be available through the Shadow of the Serpent event. The top 5 highest scoring characters during the event will receive Vanquisher BPCs and characters placing 6-10 will receive Vendetta BPCs. After a short period of event exclusivity, BPCs for both of these ships will become available in the Serpentis LP store."
I don't have a bpc nor did i have a period of exclusivity, so tbh darkezero, I don't know where you got your ideas from, but you just seem to have made that up in your own head, so it can't have been hard to alter your expectations when they weren't based on conditions conferred by CCP from the outset. Or maybe i was on the money with the anti-pop statement. Regardless CCP is either lazy and\or lieing. I can't abide liars. I will out them.
I just gotta ask, what's anti-pop? |
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
72
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Posted - 2016.08.19 22:30:19 -
[131] - Quote
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/primus/theantipop.html |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
72
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Posted - 2016.08.19 22:32:20 -
[132] - Quote
To everyone in this thread, thanks for being you. P.S. do any of you fly Gilas? |
darkezero
Doughboys Escalating Entropy
34
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Posted - 2016.08.19 22:43:18 -
[133] - Quote
Discordia Duenna wrote:http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/primus/theantipop.html
I think I understand, thanks. Not intentionally anti-pop, but effectively, because my estimate was contrary to what everyone else expected. I am rather glad my estimate will be wrong in this case, thank's to Falcon. |
Hendrick Tallardar
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
480
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Posted - 2016.08.20 00:35:25 -
[134] - Quote
Discordia Duenna wrote:TL;DR
CCP screwed the event winners over and still haven't delivered their bpc. Simultaneously they have released the bpc on SISI to the serp lp store. We have no period of exclusvity for our non-existant rewards after 450 + hrs put in.
Compared to other events, this one payed out less the more hrs you put in, would have had better odds and prizes doing Theomachy.
It's been less than a week, chill the **** out. Jesus.
Also oh no, they put the BPC onto the testing server. The humanity. |
Major Trant
287 Marine Regiment
1491
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Posted - 2016.08.20 00:36:27 -
[135] - Quote
Discordia Duenna wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I'm not sure why you feel cheated, or like there's not exclusivity to the prizes because they've been released on to Singularity. Singularity is a test environment that has absolutely no bearing on the live gameplay environment in terms of people "getting things first". Every single item that goes into the live game environment you play in first goes to staging on CHAOS, then to Singularity, before being deployed to Tranquility. These blueprints are no different. You haven't "lost exclusivity" on your prizes. You'll still have them in advance of everyone else, and trust me, with the blueprints that are coming, they'll be VERY valuable. Generally when we finish an event, the prizes are handed out on or around the next release, which is typically within 4-6 weeks after the event ends with the previous release. In this instance, the blueprints are due to be given out next week, once they've been specially authored for the winners, actually earlier than the usual time frame that we would issue prizes in. These are the first blueprints, and will be created manually outside any of our automated loot drop or LP rewards systems, so they have to be created manually by a game designer before being put into the redeeming system, or dropped into winner's hangars, also manually. Our game designers are generally incredibly busy, so this type of work gets added to their tasks for their current sprint. Sprints last two weeks. It's coming up on two weeks since the last release. The blueprints will be out there in the hands of the winners next week, no worries. Thank you for your kind response CCP Falcon, very much appreciated. I apologize for acting like a spoiled entitled brat, but I haven't had much sleep lately and I feel a bit stupid now.
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Hendrick Tallardar
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
480
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Posted - 2016.08.20 00:38:20 -
[136] - Quote
Like I get you're butthurt that your ability to overinflate the value of the BPC is screwed but jesus christ, you having a three page meltdown over it is stupid. |
Serene Repose
2758
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Posted - 2016.08.20 01:13:53 -
[137] - Quote
Discordia Duenna wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I'm not sure why you feel cheated, or like there's not exclusivity to the prizes because they've been released on to Singularity. Singularity is a test environment that has absolutely no bearing on the live gameplay environment in terms of people "getting things first". Every single item that goes into the live game environment you play in first goes to staging on CHAOS, then to Singularity, before being deployed to Tranquility. These blueprints are no different. You haven't "lost exclusivity" on your prizes. You'll still have them in advance of everyone else, and trust me, with the blueprints that are coming, they'll be VERY valuable. Generally when we finish an event, the prizes are handed out on or around the next release, which is typically within 4-6 weeks after the event ends with the previous release. In this instance, the blueprints are due to be given out next week, once they've been specially authored for the winners, actually earlier than the usual time frame that we would issue prizes in. These are the first blueprints, and will be created manually outside any of our automated loot drop or LP rewards systems, so they have to be created manually by a game designer before being put into the redeeming system, or dropped into winner's hangars, also manually. Our game designers are generally incredibly busy, so this type of work gets added to their tasks for their current sprint. Sprints last two weeks. It's coming up on two weeks since the last release. The blueprints will be out there in the hands of the winners next week, no worries. Thank you for your concise response CCP Falcon, very much appreciated. I would hope that you could include these details in the small print before future events go live perhaps? Thank you again for addressing this issue and I hope you can avoid it in the future, the up in the air feeling is a little disconcerting. Cheers DD Heh heh heh. That's why all your reward SP disappears.
We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
582
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Posted - 2016.08.20 01:23:35 -
[138] - Quote
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:If they are custom BPCs rather than related in any way to the LP store they may have zero or extremely low build costs - in which case the insanely high build costs of the LP store versions would add quite a bit of value.
Additionally, they'd have rarity value to collectors who might not even use them up.
Worth considering. I'm sticking with this prediction tbh.
And I did call the CCP response 4 pages before they gave it
Time will tell - I hope the OP lets us know |
Sonya Corvinus
Static-Noise Upholders
472
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Posted - 2016.08.20 05:07:00 -
[139] - Quote
Discordia Duenna wrote:If that is the way you want to see it, that's up to you. I don't need to brag about anything, I made a list of stuff that people said I couldn't do that I did. Only to elaborate on a point made that said I should basically stop wasting my time with CCP, how I wish to "waste" my time is up to me. If you wish to conclude from this that I am arrogant, then that is up to you. It makes no difference to me, that is not what this thread is about. Chill out, either contribute to the discussion or go on your merry way hurling insults at other people for your epeen.
"I don't need to brag about anything"
"I just made a list bragging about what I did"
....what?
Just because I don't say what you want me to say doesn't mean I'm not contributing to the discussion. I couldn't care less about "epeen". I play to have fun. If I want to do something memorable, I do it IRL, not in a game.
Solecist Project wrote:And that's the thing ... she didn't. Only in your head, ignoring the context of why she mentioned it.
If you don't believe that, then please give an example of how it wouldn't come across as you perceive it.
Thanks! :D
Talking about any achievement is bragging. period. The best players in the game stay quiet and let their achievements speak for themselves. If a person is really good at *anything*, why the need to shout it from the rooftops?
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Solecist Project
32253
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Posted - 2016.08.20 07:00:34 -
[140] - Quote
Sonya Corvinus wrote: Talking about any achievement is bragging. period. The best players in the game stay quiet and let their achievements speak for themselves. If a person is really good at *anything*, why the need to shout it from the rooftops?
And this proves tnat the issue is solely with you.
.) Accoreing to you, anyone talking about himself not in a way that makes him an equal loser is bragging. So, effectively, censorship so people don't get triggered. Like you did. And do. Because you get to define what's proper behaviour.
.) You claim to know how people behave who you have nothing in common with. Who aren't even in your social circles, because if they were they'd distance themselves from you, because for them it would be impossible to ever talk about them if you had your will. Which you luckily don't.
.) She did not shout from the rooftops. Again, you ignore the context and actually make this "argument" right out of your delusion. You take a detail out of a post, rip it out of it's context, ignore the intended meaning and then whine about it like a little bit.
How about instead of getting angry like a child you just stop being an easily triggered loser. All you achieved was showing how insecure you are.
Luckiky we have already established that you *need* the last word to feel better about yourself ... ... so you may have it!
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
76
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Posted - 2016.08.20 10:53:50 -
[141] - Quote
Hendrick Tallardar wrote:Discordia Duenna wrote:TL;DR
CCP screwed the event winners over and still haven't delivered their bpc. Simultaneously they have released the bpc on SISI to the serp lp store. We have no period of exclusvity for our non-existant rewards after 450 + hrs put in.
Compared to other events, this one payed out less the more hrs you put in, would have had better odds and prizes doing Theomachy. It's been less than a week, chill the **** out. Jesus. Also oh no, they put the BPC onto the testing server. The humanity.
I guess you only read the TL;DR. All people are not equal in mental health, respect that. You are from PL, you've been through this process as a group a good few times and anyone of you with knowledge of this process could have halted this in it's tracks by sharing the reward process. Many of us have not. CCP communicated that they had awarded us the prizes, they had not. Being on the spectrum, if someone says "I have given you" or "I have told you x" and they haven't, I get a bee in my bonnet.
Sometimes it is hard to chill the **** out, but some of us have been through the mill in life and didn't turn to some of the darker solutions in an attempt to get ourselves feeling ok. I chose to do this event, the mental benefits of doing it really helped me out and it was one of the reasons my corp and friends rallied behind me doing it. I can take your abuse, most people are actually abusive in some way, even more so on the internet. The lack of communication effected many people, I simply decided to iron out wtf was going on.
One thing that I am increasingly sure of is the eve player base is as responsible for the loss in player numbers as anything CCP have done. There is a toxic element to this community.
If you can't be bothered to read both sides of this issue and weigh it up as a multi faceted issue, then your opinion is very much akin to a Daily Mail reader (google what this means if you are from overseas).
Multiple people were alarmed / changed their positions based on the test server information, my initial reaction was to be unconcerned, but people get a talkin'.
And just to flex my spectrum attention to detail, it has now been 11 days, which is closer to 2 weeks, not A week. details matter. Always.
When it comes to the trolls and negative commentators:
"Still, a man hears what he wants to hear And disregards the rest." - Simon & Garfunkel - The Boxer |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
76
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Posted - 2016.08.20 10:55:29 -
[142] - Quote
darkezero wrote:Discordia Duenna wrote:http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/primus/theantipop.html I think I understand, thanks. Not intentionally anti-pop, but effectively, because my estimate was contrary to what everyone else expected. I am rather glad my estimate will be wrong in this case, thank's to Falcon.
I dig you man :)
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
76
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Posted - 2016.08.20 10:58:01 -
[143] - Quote
Major Trant wrote:
Thank you for your kind response CCP Falcon, very much appreciated. I apologize for acting like a spoiled entitled brat, but I haven't had much sleep lately and I feel a bit stupid now.
Pretty sure I can report this one for abuse. Don't be a mean old grouch all ya life. |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
76
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Posted - 2016.08.20 11:05:54 -
[144] - Quote
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Just because I don't say what you want me to say doesn't mean I'm not contributing to the discussion. I couldn't care less about "epeen". I play to have fun. If I want to do something memorable, I do it IRL, not in a game.
Last time I checked the people on comms were real, my computer is real, my experiences are real, my tiredness was real, the burnout was real. There isn't much about this that wasn't real tbh. Didn't you hear? CCP call this RL science fiction, "EvE is Real". I know plenty of folks who have taken their eve experiences and applied what they've learned to real life. It''s advanced their careers, taught them skills in accounting, negotiation, systems thinking, people managment skills, communication, the list goes on and on. I notice these things because I ask about them. EvE has very real effects on cognitive development, just you wait for that data to surface :)
Doing this event had a real impact on me, if you think that is sad, then stop playing, because if the impact on you isn't real, you are wasting your time.
You can say what you like, so will I. Seems the only one here who wants the other to yield to their statements is you. You'll struggle to get anyone to acknowledge such ill thought out attacks, aside from those defending from them...think about that. |
Duchess Amarrian
Tesla Aerospace Industries
7
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Posted - 2016.08.20 11:07:45 -
[145] - Quote
I liked the event but what pissed me off the most was that people going over 50k didn't get anything. It was a very vague event in some way and the videos from CCP said "many rewards " in it. Horrible. Great drops, great grind but really cheesed off I didn't get anything after 50k points.
I even asked a ccp staff member and their reply was "i'm not sure" what happens to those going beyond 50k. Surely they could have distributed out some rewards to players going beyond 50k.
I'm starting to give up on mmo's in general. Why ??? because they are all becoming crack pot casino machines with draconic systems to not GIVE BACK to the player base. |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
77
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Posted - 2016.08.20 11:12:26 -
[146] - Quote
Duchess Amarrian wrote:I liked the event but what pissed me off the most was that people going over 50k didn't get anything. It was a very vague event in some way and the videos from CCP said "many rewards " in it. Horrible. Great drops, great grind but really cheesed off I didn't get anything after 50k points.
I even asked a ccp staff member and their reply was "i'm not sure" what happens to those going beyond 50k. Surely they could have distributed out some rewards to players going beyond 50k.
I'm starting to give up on mmo's in general. Why ??? because they are all becoming crack pot casino machines with draconic systems to not GIVE BACK to the player base.
We have been talking about this in the Exploration channel, many suggestions were made for more incremental rewards spaced over larger distances, the Vehement should have been much more than 50k and maybe that milestone should've been a Vindi or something. I will post, or someone else will that I have talked to about this, something about this, or maybe you'd like to get the ball rolling? :D |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
71
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Posted - 2016.08.20 11:15:51 -
[147] - Quote
@Sonya Corvinus
Eve is Real. Games are real. Time you spend on anything is real.
The distiction between Real Life and InGame Life makes no sense when you spend in both activities time of your life. Thus you are free to use the time of your life as you prefer, just don't judge others if they decide to use their time in a different way you think they should or be ready to be judge by them.
*it's ok... it's ok... it's ok... just ignorant people...* |
Solecist Project
32261
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Posted - 2016.08.20 13:08:56 -
[148] - Quote
Soel Reit wrote:@Sonya Corvinus
Eve is Real. Games are real. Time you spend on anything is real.
The distiction between Real Life and InGame Life makes no sense when you spend in both activities time of your life. Thus you are free to use the time of your life as you prefer, just don't judge others if they decide to use their time in a different way you think they should or be ready to be judge by them.
*it's ok... it's ok... it's ok... just ignorant people...* This is a great post! Very deep, reaching into the philosophical!
There's the hint at the clash between mindsets and cultures.
It needs rephrasing.
You are free to use the time of your life as you prefer ... ... just don't personally judge those decide to use their time against you.
That's better. Sorry. :3
"That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breaths of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly pulverised by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia
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Sonya Corvinus
Static-Noise Upholders
473
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Posted - 2016.08.20 21:17:58 -
[149] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:And this proves tnat the issue is solely with you.
.) Accoreing to you, anyone talking about himself not in a way that makes him an equal loser is bragging. So, effectively, censorship so people don't get triggered. Like you did. And do. Because you get to define what's proper behaviour.
.) You claim to know how people behave who you have nothing in common with. Who aren't even in your social circles, because if they were they'd distance themselves from you, because for them it would be impossible to ever talk about them if you had your will. Which you luckily don't.
.) She did not shout from the rooftops. Again, you ignore the context and actually make this "argument" right out of your delusion. You take a detail out of a post, rip it out of it's context, ignore the intended meaning and then whine about it like a little bit.
How about instead of getting angry like a child you just stop being an easily triggered loser. All you achieved was showing how insecure you are.
Luckiky we have already established that you *need* the last word to feel better about yourself ... ... so you may have it!
I sincerely hope you're trolling. I do like the bait you laid in your last sentence though. That was adorable. So are you an alt of hers, or an alt or a corp-mate or what? Why should anyone give a sh*t about what anyone thinks of them? That's the mark of an insecure person. Creating a thread with the sole purpose of whining about not getting a reward from putting hundreds of hours into a video game exemplifies that.
What did I say that made you think I'm angry? I am confused though. I do appreciate you calling me a loser for disagreeing with you. That does say a lot about how you think. I am more than OK agreeing to disagree with someone, you seem to not feel the same.
Discordia Duenna wrote:Last time I checked the people on comms were real, my computer is real, my experiences are real, my tiredness was real, the burnout was real. There isn't much about this that wasn't real tbh. Didn't you hear? CCP call this RL science fiction, "EvE is Real". I know plenty of folks who have taken their eve experiences and applied what they've learned to real life. It''s advanced their careers, taught them skills in accounting, negotiation, systems thinking, people managment skills, communication, the list goes on and on. I notice these things because I ask about them. EvE has very real effects on cognitive development, just you wait for that data to surface :) Doing this event had a real impact on me, if you think that is sad, then stop playing, because if the impact on you isn't real, you are wasting your time. You can say what you like, so will I. Seems the only one here who wants the other to yield to their statements is you. You'll struggle to get anyone to acknowledge such ill thought out attacks, aside from those defending from them...think about that. EvE and PTSD
I'm not the one who created a thread to complain about an event online. EVE is a game. Not real life. "EVE is real" is a marketing slogan, and a good one, but it is simply marketing. Anyone who spends over a dozen hours per day doing *any* hobby needs to take a step back.
Congrats on what you've done with this event, but (as my original point was) I fail to see the point in creating this thread. It's just a game. |
Teinyhr
Ourumur
613
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Posted - 2016.08.20 22:19:47 -
[150] - Quote
If you've played this game longer than a couple of years you should be well aware that there is no guaranteed exclusivity about anything in EVE.
Frankly I don't remember the details because I couldn't personally care much less, but I remember someone whining on these forums for MONTHS about some virtual item they thought would be only given to certain people for something. Think it was a male character jacket or skin or a then-rare ship (magnate?) or something. EVENTUALLY (like after half a year of pestilence) CCP relented and did something. Compensated the guy or whatever, don't remember.
Point being, do not expect to have an ISK printer forever, because you likely wont. It was your choice to waste those hours you can never get back on a video game, no one elses. You will eventually lose everything when EVE closes, like we all do. Technically yes CCP owes you your BPC's, which they told they will deliver (and surprisingly fast, I think some AT BP's have taken several months to deliver). Personally I think you deserve to lose them on a gank on your way to Jita.
And another personal opinion of mine is, like I said, it is your choice to spend an obscene amount of time on a video game. I hope you at least had fun doing it, because that should be anyones main motivation in this game over attaining imaginary billions. |
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
82
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Posted - 2016.08.21 00:40:47 -
[151] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:Soel Reit wrote:@Sonya Corvinus
Eve is Real. Games are real. Time you spend on anything is real.
The distiction between Real Life and InGame Life makes no sense when you spend in both activities time of your life. Thus you are free to use the time of your life as you prefer, just don't judge others if they decide to use their time in a different way you think they should or be ready to be judge by them.
*it's ok... it's ok... it's ok... just ignorant people...* This is a great post! Very deep, reaching into the philosophical! There's the hint at the clash between mindsets and cultures. It needs rephrasing. You are free to use the time of your life as you prefer ... ... just don't personally judge those decide to use their time against you. That's better. Sorry. :3
at least pay me the copyrights *sigh*
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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
585
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Posted - 2016.08.21 00:49:02 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:So are you an alt of hers, or an alt or a corp-mate or what? 2 + 2 = 22? |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
79
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Posted - 2016.08.21 00:58:38 -
[153] - Quote
Sonya Corvinus wrote:
I'm not the one who created a thread to complain about an event online. EVE is a game. Not real life. "EVE is real" is a marketing slogan, and a good one, but it is simply marketing. Anyone who spends over a dozen hours per day doing *any* hobby needs to take a step back.
Congrats on what you've done with this event, but (as my original point was) I fail to see the point in creating this thread. It's just a game.
The point was the lack of communication from CCP before and after the event. That has been resolved. As for spending the time I spent during the event, it was my time to spend, I spent it to take a step back from life tbh. Everyone needs to do this at some point, I afk'd a fair bit to take care of the house and my garden and to spend time with friends. I also exercised whilst running the event, I have weights next to the desk and I can switch my desk to a standing desk.
Maybe doing this sort of thing isn't for you, but to judge me for it is pretty arbitrary. People work those sorts of hours in a month doing desk jobs all over the world, not having much fun at all. Just because I did similar for a game, this is seen by you as wrong somehow. I also understand why you might be opposed to someone spending such a large amount of time doing a game activity, but then it isn't uncommon for humans to spend extortionate amounts of time towards any activity or goal.
It is just a game, so is life. You win some, you lose some, the earth keeps on spinning regardless. "EvE is real" is a marketing slogan and yet here you are feeling real emotions about what I have said about a virtual space. Is this irony lost on you? If you fail to see the point in the thread, then why keep posting in it lol?
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
79
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Posted - 2016.08.21 01:06:17 -
[154] - Quote
Teinyhr wrote:If you've played this game longer than a couple of years you should be well aware that there is no guaranteed exclusivity about anything in EVE.
Frankly I don't remember the details because I couldn't personally care much less, but I remember someone whining on these forums for MONTHS about some virtual item they thought would be only given to certain people for something. Think it was a male character jacket or skin or a then-rare ship (magnate?) or something. EVENTUALLY (like after half a year of pestilence) CCP relented and did something. Compensated the guy or whatever, don't remember.
Point being, do not expect to have an ISK printer forever, because you likely wont. It was your choice to waste those hours you can never get back on a video game, no one elses. You will eventually lose everything when EVE closes, like we all do. Technically yes CCP owes you your BPC's, which they told they will deliver (and surprisingly fast, I think some AT BP's have taken several months to deliver). Personally I think you deserve to lose them on a gank on your way to Jita.
And another personal opinion of mine is, like I said, it is your choice to spend an obscene amount of time on a video game. I hope you at least had fun doing it, because that should be anyones main motivation in this game over attaining imaginary billions.
I had a great time. As for isk, I do ok anyways, if I am perfectly honest I have no idea what to do with more isk, I have always been a frugal player.
I have played the game for 10 yrs, I didn't know how the prizes are awarded, this isn't my fault. I have stated multiple times in the thread (and tbh your post clearly shows you haven't read the thread fully, the magnate thing already came up for one...) that I was not just asking what is happening for myself alone and that the language and communication used by CCP did not match the reality of what was happening. This could all have been avoided with a paragraph from CCP detailing these procedures. It simply wasn't the case.
"Personally I think you deserve to lose them on a gank on your way to Jita." Yes because this is the place one takes super bpc's to What a vindictive thing to say :)
If EvE closes it's doors that will be a sad day, but as long as I can provide fun for other players, I hope to contribute to it's doors staying open, this is a unique game and I love it dearly. I won't lament losing those assets if it did shut down, in the same way I don't lament the loss of anything really, except loved ones. People seem to think i'm fixated on isk as a result of this thread, which is rather amusing to me, because anyone who knows me knows I really don't give a **** about isk :) The things people project are usually more telling of their character than the targets, sometimes... |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
79
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Posted - 2016.08.21 01:13:33 -
[155] - Quote
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Sonya Corvinus wrote:So are you an alt of hers, or an alt or a corp-mate or what? 2 + 2 = 22?
No the answer is 4.
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Amarisen Gream
Divine Demise
283
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Posted - 2016.08.21 01:49:35 -
[156] - Quote
Very good read -
and did like CCP Falcon's reply
but me being me - 6 week event with who knows how much planning before that, and they couldn't have the BPCs ready to go after like a days worth of polish - or at least stated that at the end of the event rewards would be sent out a week later.
To me it comes down to ether
A) poor planning on some developer or B) just lack of communication. . .
and i'm going to throw my darts at B.
"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger
All of his fury and rage.
He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels"
- The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1
DIDE- is open to new members
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Teinyhr
Ourumur
613
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Posted - 2016.08.21 18:06:12 -
[157] - Quote
Discordia Duenna wrote: I have played the game for 10 yrs, I didn't know how the prizes are awarded, this isn't my fault. I have stated multiple times in the thread (and tbh your post clearly shows you haven't read the thread fully, the magnate thing already came up for one...) that I was not just asking what is happening for myself alone and that the language and communication used by CCP did not match the reality of what was happening. This could all have been avoided with a paragraph from CCP detailing these procedures. It simply wasn't the case.
1) If you have played the game for 10 years, you should know well that CCP has terrible track record of delivering prizes and merits. Luminaire Medallions, AT prizes, FW domination medals, previous other competitions etc, have always taken a long time to be delivered. If you follow anything on this game you should well know this. I wouldn't call myself the most avid EVE fanboy by a long shot, and even I know these things.
Granted they could have been more clear about it the prize delivery but for a veteran player such as yourself this should have been very clear by now.
2) Yeah I don't bother reading all those 7 pages of text, so sue me. My limit is 2-3 to gleam some additional info.
3) Your main concern in the opening posts was how your hard work will be devalued because stuff is on the test server. Don't blame us if you give us the impression that your main worry is your in-game wallet. |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
79
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Posted - 2016.08.22 00:01:05 -
[158] - Quote
Teinyhr wrote:Discordia Duenna wrote: I have played the game for 10 yrs, I didn't know how the prizes are awarded, this isn't my fault. I have stated multiple times in the thread (and tbh your post clearly shows you haven't read the thread fully, the magnate thing already came up for one...) that I was not just asking what is happening for myself alone and that the language and communication used by CCP did not match the reality of what was happening. This could all have been avoided with a paragraph from CCP detailing these procedures. It simply wasn't the case.
1) If you have played the game for 10 years, you should know well that CCP has terrible track record of delivering prizes and merits. Luminaire Medallions, AT prizes, FW domination medals, previous other competitions etc, have always taken a long time to be delivered. If you follow anything on this game you should well know this. I wouldn't call myself the most avid EVE fanboy by a long shot, and even I know these things. Granted they could have been more clear about it the prize delivery but for a veteran player such as yourself this should have been very clear by now. 2) Yeah I don't bother reading all those 7 pages of text, so sue me. My limit is 2-3 to gleam some additional info. 3) Your main concern in the opening posts was how your hard work will be devalued because stuff is on the test server. Don't blame us if you give us the impression that your main worry is your in-game wallet.
Yawn. Yes you know every-single-eve-thing-there-is-to-know-right? I don't, guess that makes you better. You can sleep now. Didn't bother reading, just decided to have a stab eh? Never mentioned anything about my in game wallet, I did indeed express concerns over the devaluing of the item in question. As would you have done in the same position and most people actually.
No clue about how prizes are distributed, no way to know if you knew this before the other responses in this thread either. Considering everything you have said has been negative, i'm gonna go with... you are in here to be negative and have a stab. I know stuff you don't know, you know stuff I don't, I can pick a many things to state "ohmygodyoudon'tknowthatomgwtfwhatanoob" in a variety of topics, but ya'know, it's just not my style. I must bow before your knowledge of CCP reward timings. Where were you earlier?
" If you follow anything on this game you should well know this" LOL. Reaching here.....juuuuuust a bit, perhaps even scraping the barrel. If you read the thread you'd see that hardly anyone knows this.
If this knowledge is so well known, then why did exactly only one person prior to Falcons response state as such (and without any approx time).Yes, indeed this is seriously important stuff for 1% of the playerbase it affects to know, so surely...with all the esoteric information contained within the ridiculous amount of information within eve, I must be a total noob to have missed this nugget. Your attitude is apparent to me and it isn't pleasant. Additionally I don't recall Falcon linking me to a page that clearly states this process or anyone else.
My veterancy in eve equips me to have the knowledge that I don't know it all, surely anyone who knows anything about eve should know that no one knows it all about eve?
Salty.
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Harmonic Balance
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.08.22 03:12:50 -
[159] - Quote
Discordia Duenna wrote:Zanar Skwigelf wrote: Stuff. We were all aware it would hit the lp store, just not before we actually got our prizes, some people pay more for being 1st. That's supply and demand.
And this asshat (Discordia) wanted 165 Billion for his bpc and tried to make my seller think twice about my offer. |
Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
341
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Posted - 2016.08.22 04:16:32 -
[160] - Quote
Harmonic Balance wrote:Discordia Duenna wrote:Zanar Skwigelf wrote: Stuff. We were all aware it would hit the lp store, just not before we actually got our prizes, some people pay more for being 1st. That's supply and demand. And this asshat (Discordia) wanted 165 Billion for his bpc and tried to make my seller think twice about my offer. Exclusive shiny thing is exclusive.
If you don't like that price, see if you can get the other four in a bidding war.
A signature :o
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Harmonic Balance
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.08.22 06:43:19 -
[161] - Quote
Shallanna Yassavi wrote:Harmonic Balance wrote:Discordia Duenna wrote:Zanar Skwigelf wrote: Stuff. We were all aware it would hit the lp store, just not before we actually got our prizes, some people pay more for being 1st. That's supply and demand. And this asshat (Discordia) wanted 165 Billion for his bpc and tried to make my seller think twice about my offer. Exclusive shiny thing is exclusive. If you don't like that price, see if you can get the other four in a bidding war.
Already had one lined up for less, and she tried to torpedo it. |
Teinyhr
Ourumur
613
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Posted - 2016.08.22 06:56:17 -
[162] - Quote
Discordia Duenna wrote:Salty.
Drama queen. I was just saying that IF you are an actual veteran, IF you actually follow anything happening in this game, none of this should be a surprise to you. |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
79
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Posted - 2016.08.22 11:03:21 -
[163] - Quote
Harmonic Balance wrote:Discordia Duenna wrote:Zanar Skwigelf wrote: Stuff. We were all aware it would hit the lp store, just not before we actually got our prizes, some people pay more for being 1st. That's supply and demand. And this asshat (Discordia) wanted 165 Billion for his bpc and tried to make my seller think twice about my offer.
:) Shall I post who you are, forum alt?
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
79
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Posted - 2016.08.22 11:05:00 -
[164] - Quote
Harmonic Balance wrote: stuff .
Maybe it's my turn to say things like "Welcome to EvE".
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
79
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Posted - 2016.08.22 11:14:49 -
[165] - Quote
Shallanna Yassavi wrote:
If you don't like that price, see if you can get the other four in a bidding war.
Indeed. My spreadsheets tell me what the bpc is worth, calculated on normal expected revenues doing other activities and the labour time of others. This wasn't a chance based drop, it is a calculable known figure + exclusivity price. This dude is just like the people that complain fuel costs are too high in low sec stations, when I don't see anyone else shipping it there.
If you can get someone to sell it to you below what it's worth, then go for it.
In 2011 PLEX was worth 400 mill ish. Rev bpc cost 60-100 bill It's 2016 PLEX is worth 1 billion isk, adjusted for inflation, 165 bill is a reasonable price. |
Harmonic Balance
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.08.22 17:42:27 -
[166] - Quote
LOL! who I am? Just proves my point your an asshat. Internet spaceship toughguys for the win!
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
80
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Posted - 2016.08.22 22:45:05 -
[167] - Quote
Harmonic Balance wrote:LOL! who I am? Just proves my point your an asshat. Internet spaceship toughguys for the win!
Repentance is your name. An eidetic memory and chatlogs make for a dangerous combo. My research suggests this is your forum toon, you've never posted with the character in question. You use this character Harmonic Balance to sell supercarriers.
zKillboard suggests you are snuggly and hide in the herd of a gang...tough guy, 33% combat efficiency, real tough guy.
I don't try to be an internet tough guy, that would be playing silly games now wouldn't it, like calling people asshats because you can't get what you want :) |
Harmonic Balance
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.08.22 23:00:43 -
[168] - Quote
Discordia Duenna wrote:Harmonic Balance wrote:LOL! who I am? Just proves my point your an asshat. Internet spaceship toughguys for the win!
Repentance is your name. An eidetic memory and chatlogs make for a dangerous combo. My research suggests this is your forum toon, you've never posted with the character in question. You use this character Harmonic Balance to sell supercarriers. zKillboard suggests you are snuggly and hide in the herd of a gang...tough guy, 33% combat efficiency, real tough guy. I don't try to be an internet tough guy, that would be playing silly games now wouldn't it, like calling people asshats because you can't get what you want :)
Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! Even if I were that same person what does that have to do with anything? You think I would be afraid of you telling me that? LMAO. Oh, no, you struck me so deep, whatever will I do? LMAO. And you bring killboards into it? HAHAHAHAHAH. Your a funny dude. Like I said internet spaceship toughguys for the win. lol Judging by your kill record, which is not much better than the poor sap you linked on here. I only have to worry if i'm a disabled pos structure, or miner. Oh last thing, you call me snugly, and you spent how long ratting and carebearing for this bpc? to funny. Thank you, you literally made my day full of laughter. |
Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
80
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Posted - 2016.08.22 23:04:25 -
[169] - Quote
Harmonic Balance wrote:Discordia Duenna wrote:Harmonic Balance wrote:LOL! who I am? Just proves my point your an asshat. Internet spaceship toughguys for the win!
Repentance is your name. An eidetic memory and chatlogs make for a dangerous combo. My research suggests this is your forum toon, you've never posted with the character in question. You use this character Harmonic Balance to sell supercarriers. zKillboard suggests you are snuggly and hide in the herd of a gang...tough guy, 33% combat efficiency, real tough guy. I don't try to be an internet tough guy, that would be playing silly games now wouldn't it, like calling people asshats because you can't get what you want :) Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! Even if I were that same person what does that have to do with anything? You think I would be afraid of you telling me that? LMAO. Oh, no, you struck me so deep, whatever will I do? LMAO. And you bring killboards into it? HAHAHAHAHAH. Your a funny dude. Like I said internet spaceship toughguys for the win. lol Judging by your kill record, which is not much better than the poor sap you linked on here. I only have to worry if i'm a disabled pos structure, or miner. Oh last thing, you call me snugly, and you spent how long ratting and carebearing for this bpc? to funny. Thank you, you literally made my day full of laughter.
You asked me who you were... I replied. That is all. My killboard isnt API linked :) Neither are many many many other peoples. Why would I hand out free intel like that lol?
It is the same person, no "even if i were that same person" about it. I'm not an internet tough guy, I am someone on the internet though. |
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
595
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Posted - 2016.08.22 23:06:24 -
[170] - Quote
Harmonic Balance wrote:Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! Even if I were that same person what does that have to do with anything? You think I would be afraid of you telling me that? LMAO. Oh, no, you struck me so deep, whatever will I do? LMAO. And you bring killboards into it? HAHAHAHAHAH. Your a funny dude. Like I said internet spaceship toughguys for the win. lol Judging by your kill record, which is not much better than the poor sap you linked on here. I only have to worry if i'm a disabled pos structure, or miner. Oh last thing, you call me snugly, and you spent how long ratting and carebearing for this bpc? to funny. Thank you, you literally made my day full of laughter. OK...you are just trying *way* too hard now...
Deep Breaths... |
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Hendrick Tallardar
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
481
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Posted - 2016.08.24 10:48:04 -
[171] - Quote
Discordia Duenna wrote:
You are from PL, you've been through this process as a group a good few times and anyone of you with knowledge of this process could have halted this in it's tracks by sharing the reward process. Many of us have not.
Being in PL doesn't give me exclusivity on the ability to use common sense nor reading comprehension. Just because you refuse to use either doesn't give you an excuse to act petulant. |
Solecist Project
32388
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Posted - 2016.08.24 11:11:40 -
[172] - Quote
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Harmonic Balance wrote:... internet spaceship toughguys ... Judging by your kill record OK...you are just trying *way* too hard now... Deep Breaths... Omg his name is so extremely unfitting, it's hilarious! The quoted part is really good as well. ^_^
Look at him, the not internet warrior who totally doesn't behave like he's a super tough strong man! ^_^
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
8 Golden Rules of EVE
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Solecist Project
32388
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Posted - 2016.08.24 11:15:51 -
[173] - Quote
DD, let the trolls not get the best of ya.
It's not hard to look ag their attitudes to know that they would have reacted much worse than you did ... ... if the same thing had happened to you.
Especially that one person. They could never write a decent post ... ... hell, they'd never even try, so full of themsekves are they ... ... which is enough reason to just dismiss.
We need you here on these forums ... just rise above the hate. Don't let the low o es drag you down to thejr miserable existence.
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
8 Golden Rules of EVE
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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
68
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Posted - 2016.08.24 21:33:34 -
[174] - Quote
This is matter of principle. I think most people here agrees that the OP got shafted, not through his own mistake, but because CCP's wrong management of the event. And people troll him and tell him he should have accounted for CCP screwing this up?
So let me get this straight - are those people seriously saying that CCP is expected to screw up with such events, so we shouldn't expect them to get it right, and plan ahead & invest our time and effort with the expectation that CCP will screw up?
That may be being pragmatic, but come on, surely, as a community, we'd rather CCP wakes up and improve their event management? And it would also be in CCP's interest that players are satisfied with these events they run and it actually translates into real motivation to log in/sub/resub, etc?
OP has given a valid feedback to CCP, and although I'm not in any way related to this event (I've totally ignored it really) in terms of personal interest, I support OP's view and appreciate the whole write up, as I think it's a good thing that people give proper feedback to what CCP has done wrong/how they could improve. Just saying 'expect CCP to fail, if you don't it's your fault' is just non-constructive. It's not even being cynical, it's just defeatist.
Toobo is a lucky talisman. Try Toobo's lucky referral link at the awesome iwantisk website and have a great time
http://www.iwantisk.com/?ref=1216023697
Remeber - you win by luck and lose by luck. Don't go crazy. ;)
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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
69
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Posted - 2016.08.24 22:11:56 -
[175] - Quote
Discordia Duenna wrote:[quote=Harmonic Balance] Repentance is your name. An eidetic memory and... :)
Eidetic Memory V. It was an awesome skill :p
Toobo is a lucky talisman. Try Toobo's lucky referral link at the awesome iwantisk website and have a great time
http://www.iwantisk.com/?ref=1216023697
Remeber - you win by luck and lose by luck. Don't go crazy. ;)
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
87
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Posted - 2016.08.25 09:37:04 -
[176] - Quote
Toobo wrote:This is matter of principle. I think most people here agrees that the OP got shafted, not through his own mistake, but because CCP's wrong management of the event. And people troll him and tell him he should have accounted for CCP screwing this up?
So let me get this straight - are those people seriously saying that CCP is expected to screw up with such events, so we shouldn't expect them to get it right, and plan ahead & invest our time and effort with the expectation that CCP will screw up?
That may be being pragmatic, but come on, surely, as a community, we'd rather CCP wakes up and improve their event management? And it would also be in CCP's interest that players are satisfied with these events they run and it actually translates into real motivation to log in/sub/resub, etc?
OP has given a valid feedback to CCP, and although I'm not in any way related to this event (I've totally ignored it really) in terms of personal interest, I support OP's view and appreciate the whole write up, as I think it's a good thing that people give proper feedback to what CCP has done wrong/how they could improve. Just saying 'expect CCP to fail, if you don't it's your fault' is just non-constructive. It's not even being cynical, it's just defeatist.
This and staying constructive always wins through. Pessimism builds nothing, it only creates increased entropy.
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
87
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Posted - 2016.08.25 09:39:01 -
[177] - Quote
Harmonic Balance wrote: rabble rabble
The bpc is unique. Max ME. The price went up for you. |
Yun Kuai
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
335
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Posted - 2016.08.25 09:53:03 -
[178] - Quote
Toobo wrote:This is matter of principle. I think most people here agrees that the OP got shafted, not through his own mistake, but because CCP's wrong management of the event. And people troll him and tell him he should have accounted for CCP screwing this up?
So let me get this straight - are those people seriously saying that CCP is expected to screw up with such events, so we shouldn't expect them to get it right, and plan ahead & invest our time and effort with the expectation that CCP will screw up?
That may be being pragmatic, but come on, surely, as a community, we'd rather CCP wakes up and improve their event management? And it would also be in CCP's interest that players are satisfied with these events they run and it actually translates into real motivation to log in/sub/resub, etc?
OP has given a valid feedback to CCP, and although I'm not in any way related to this event (I've totally ignored it really) in terms of personal interest, I support OP's view and appreciate the whole write up, as I think it's a good thing that people give proper feedback to what CCP has done wrong/how they could improve. Just saying 'expect CCP to fail, if you don't it's your fault' is just non-constructive. It's not even being cynical, it's just defeatist.
I agree completely with Toobo here. CCP planned this event I'm assuming months in advance as they had to design the sites, decide rewards, and build up the hype. They should definitely be held accountable for poor post-event management and prize distribution. If you know you're going to award the top 10 a specific BPC, then why not have those 10 BPCs manually created alongside the site creation and have them ready to go the moment you declare the winners? The overall site mechancis I'm fine with having to be tweaked each go around until they figure out the best way to hold an event, but the reward and distribution system needs to be cleaned up asap if CCP realistically expects people to continue participating in them.
If CCP wants to continue these events and build traction with them, then they have to get better at running them from start to finish, or they run the risk of people just ignoring them because "CCP always lets you down" mentality.
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Discordia Duenna
Control-Space DARKNESS.
88
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Posted - 2016.08.25 10:07:19 -
[179] - Quote
Hendrick Tallardar wrote:Discordia Duenna wrote:
You are from PL, you've been through this process as a group a good few times and anyone of you with knowledge of this process could have halted this in it's tracks by sharing the reward process. Many of us have not.
Being in PL doesn't give me exclusivity on the ability to use common sense nor reading comprehension. Just because you refuse to use either doesn't give you an excuse to act petulant.
Common sense is something that those in the know can apply. Reading comprehension....I wasn't provided with anything concrete to read that answered any of my concerns, if I was CCP Falcon wouldn't have needed to respond. I can refuse to use knowledge or experience I don't have yet. You talk like you are in a position to pass judgement on me, maybe from your perspective you are, but to me it's just someone's opinion in a sea of them. I sorta gave you guys a compliment for being in the know about event rewards, seeing as you guys be all elite and all that, instead you just rub it in. I hope you don't do that in RL.
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Solecist Project
32458
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Posted - 2016.08.25 10:32:24 -
[180] - Quote
Discordia Duenna wrote:I hope you don't do that in RL.
Of course he does.
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
8 Golden Rules of EVE
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
127
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Posted - 2016.08.25 10:35:36 -
[181] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:Discordia Duenna wrote:I hope you don't do that in RL.
Of course he does.
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Solecist Project
32462
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Posted - 2016.08.25 11:19:21 -
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Soel Reit wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Discordia Duenna wrote:I hope you don't do that in RL.
Of course he does. lame what a bad person Most modern adults seek a position of power to compensate for the feeling of powerlessness. It's not their fault, really (partly), because modern marketing teaches people they're worth notning without buying crap.
Many achieve that through identifying with a group they belong to.
Once that position of power is achieved, no matter how imaginary or fictional ... ... they turn against their old self they see reflected in others.
They go from one side of the spectrum to the other ... ... and on both ends thdy dislike the respective other side of it.
It's a self awareness issue.
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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Discordia Duenna wrote:I put about 450 hrs into this event and positioned #9. This time last week I was elated. I was proud of the achievement of my corp and the rando's I picked up along the way throughout this event.
I have been hunted, I have hunted. I have stolen more cans from people than I can count, I optimized my strategies through optimizing routes across New Eden, organized a team for maximizing returns on points. I managed to get my own time in Shipyards down to 1:20 when it was just myself and my alt. I nearly gave up, oh-so-many-times. I drank more coffee than a small principality in the Alps. Garnered support from friends and family who cheered me on... At least now i know what kind of people make that drek possible. They are beyond help anyway.
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Arkoth 24 wrote:Discordia Duenna wrote:I put about 450 hrs into this event and positioned #9. This time last week I was elated. I was proud of the achievement of my corp and the rando's I picked up along the way throughout this event.
I have been hunted, I have hunted. I have stolen more cans from people than I can count, I optimized my strategies through optimizing routes across New Eden, organized a team for maximizing returns on points. I managed to get my own time in Shipyards down to 1:20 when it was just myself and my alt. I nearly gave up, oh-so-many-times. I drank more coffee than a small principality in the Alps. Garnered support from friends and family who cheered me on... At least now i know what kind of people make that drek possible. They are beyond help anyway.
lul the only one beyond help here it's you. your narrow mind to be more precise.
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Soel Reit wrote:*using smiles*
OK
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Arkoth 24 wrote:Soel Reit wrote:*lower case* Soel Reit wrote:*using smiles* Look at me I can edit your quotes! I'm special!
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
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Arkoth 24 wrote:Soel Reit wrote:*lower case* Soel Reit wrote:*using smiles* OK
no better arguments than quotes. clearly a mind shut down.
there is a proper thread for you: Click me
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Dibz
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16 hours a day for 28 days straight? What the hell, man. To be honest I don't think CCP should be rewarding that kind of behaviour. |
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Dibz wrote:16 hours a day for 28 days straight? What the hell, man. To be honest I don't think CCP should be rewarding that kind of behaviour.
This sort of focus has rewarded me in a variety of objectives in life. Applying it to a game for fun is no different, unless you regard games as something to be ashamed of participating in. I might add that I have phases in life where for several months I get by on 3 hrs sleep a day. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's bad behaviour.
History is replete with people spending their time this way for all manner of pursuits. Neurotypicals always seem to be confused and/or disgusted with this behaviour. I can sleep when I am dead.
Also it was 18 hrs not 16 hrs. Not sure why people keep saying 16 when I clearly said 18 hrs edit: (I think I said this elsewhere not in this thread. I rounded down to 450 hrs as the first 2 weeks was not 18 hrs a day, it was more patchy). |
Dibz
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Oh, just 18 hours a day, my mistake
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Jenn aSide
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Discordia Duenna wrote:Dibz wrote:16 hours a day for 28 days straight? What the hell, man. To be honest I don't think CCP should be rewarding that kind of behaviour. This sort of focus has rewarded me in a variety of objectives in life. Applying it to a game for fun is no different, unless you regard games as something to be ashamed of participating in. I might add that I have phases in life where for several months I get by on 3 hrs sleep a day. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's bad behaviour. History is replete with people spending their time this way for all manner of pursuits. Neurotypicals always seem to be confused and/or disgusted with this behaviour. I can sleep when I am dead. Also it was 18 hrs not 16 hrs. Not sure why people keep saying 16 when I clearly said 18 hrs edit: (I think I said this elsewhere not in this thread. I rounded down to 450 hrs as the first 2 weeks was not 18 hrs a day, it was more patchy).
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Dibz wrote:Oh, just 18 hours a day, my mistake
In my gf's words, "when do I get you back?"
Me:"Just one more week".
Her: "Ok, can we have go out to eat for a buffet when it's done? Don't forget to do the dishes and water all the plants!
Me: "Sure. Shipyard it is!" |
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Jenn aSide wrote:
The highlighted words tells you everything you need to know about this poster. I wouldn't engage further.
neurotypical -înj-è+Ör+Ö(-è)-êt+¬p+¬k(+Ö)l/ adjective not displaying or characterized by autistic or other neurologically atypical patterns of thought or behaviour. "neurotypical individuals often assume that their experience of the world is either the only one or the only correct one"
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Dibz wrote:Oh, just 18 hours a day, my mistake Do you ever bingewatch? Because that's worse.
Dedication towards a goal > mindless consumption
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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I got 99 likes and Jenn aSide ain't one
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Discordia Duenna wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
The highlighted words tells you everything you need to know about this poster. I wouldn't engage further.
neurotypical -înj-è+Ör+Ö(-è)-êt+¬p+¬k(+Ö)l/ adjective not displaying or characterized by autistic or other neurologically atypical patterns of thought or behaviour. "neurotypical individuals often assume that their experience of the world is either the only one or the only correct one" You may (or may not) find that sometimes the best advice in dealing with Jenn is, ironically, to take the advice he seems to give to others in every other post these days: Just ignore him.
Congratulations on the blueprint - glad it is unique as predicted
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
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Please marry me! :D http://i.imgur.com/osaKSsX.jpg
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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Discordia Duenna
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:You may (or may not) find that sometimes the best advice in dealing with Jenn is, ironically, to take the advice he seems to give to others in every other post these days: Just ignore him. Congratulations on the blueprint - glad it is unique as predicted
But I like giving everyone a sense of purpose, what will he do with his time if he can't moan unreasonably about stuff? And thanks :) |
Jenn aSide
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Discordia Duenna wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
The highlighted words tells you everything you need to know about this poster. I wouldn't engage further.
neurotypical -înj-è+Ör+Ö(-è)-êt+¬p+¬k(+Ö)l/ adjective not displaying or characterized by autistic or other neurologically atypical patterns of thought or behaviour. "neurotypical individuals often assume that their experience of the world is either the only one or the only correct one"
We know what it means, which means your malady isn't your fault. Which is why I'm advising people to not engage further, pointing out unhealthy behavior to someone who can't help it is fruitless.
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Discordia Duenna
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Jenn aSide wrote:Discordia Duenna wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
The highlighted words tells you everything you need to know about this poster. I wouldn't engage further.
neurotypical -înj-è+Ör+Ö(-è)-êt+¬p+¬k(+Ö)l/ adjective not displaying or characterized by autistic or other neurologically atypical patterns of thought or behaviour. "neurotypical individuals often assume that their experience of the world is either the only one or the only correct one" We know what it means, which means your malady isn't your fault. Which is why I'm advising people to not engage further, pointing out unhealthy behavior to someone who can't help it is fruitless. And yet here you are. |
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So when do we get the Shipyards back? |
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Jenn aSide wrote:Discordia Duenna wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
The highlighted words tells you everything you need to know about this poster. I wouldn't engage further.
neurotypical -înj-è+Ör+Ö(-è)-êt+¬p+¬k(+Ö)l/ adjective not displaying or characterized by autistic or other neurologically atypical patterns of thought or behaviour. "neurotypical individuals often assume that their experience of the world is either the only one or the only correct one" We know what it means, which means your malady isn't your fault. Which is why I'm advising people to not engage further, pointing out unhealthy behavior to someone who can't help it is fruitless. You need someone to read your posts for you. You are exactly what you are talking about. Maybe, the next time you use the word "projection" you should, for once, think through yourself!
People give the very same advice about you for a reason!
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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Zanar Skwigelf
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Quote:So let me get this straight - are those people seriously saying that CCP is expected to screw up with such events, so we shouldn't expect them to get it right, and plan ahead & invest our time and effort with the expectation that CCP will screw up?
Yes. there were 9 pages of people saying "what did you expect" prior to your post. Why did this need to be asked?
The 16 hours a day was because in OP you said 450 hours in 28 days. 450 hours / 28 days = 16 hrs per day |
Soel Reit
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Discordia Duenna wrote: And yet here you are.
lmao i've fallen from the seat
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Discordia Duenna
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Zanar Skwigelf wrote:Quote:So let me get this straight - are those people seriously saying that CCP is expected to screw up with such events, so we shouldn't expect them to get it right, and plan ahead & invest our time and effort with the expectation that CCP will screw up? Yes. there were 9 pages of people saying "what did you expect" prior to your post. Why did this need to be asked? The 16 hours a day was because in OP you said 450 hours in 28 days. 450 hours / 28 days = 16 hrs per day Yep me realised I never stated that in this thread .
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Solecist Project wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Discordia Duenna wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
The highlighted words tells you everything you need to know about this poster. I wouldn't engage further.
neurotypical -înj-è+Ör+Ö(-è)-êt+¬p+¬k(+Ö)l/ adjective not displaying or characterized by autistic or other neurologically atypical patterns of thought or behaviour. "neurotypical individuals often assume that their experience of the world is either the only one or the only correct one" We know what it means, which means your malady isn't your fault. Which is why I'm advising people to not engage further, pointing out unhealthy behavior to someone who can't help it is fruitless. You need someone to read your posts for you. You are exactly what you are talking about. Maybe, the next time you use the word "projection" you should, for once, think through yourself! People give the very same advice about you for a reason!
I'm not on any spectrum, I'm simply saying that I should have figured it out sooner (the clues were there, and I know how much MMOs attract people with these issues, issues they don't create for themselves). The clues were there but I ignored them, won't happen again.
The point is the OP can't help it, further bashing him isn't the right thing to do. Is this hard to understand?
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Discordia Duenna
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Discordia Duenna wrote:So when do we get the Shipyards back?
I'm serious, maybe I have some sort of Stockholm syndrome or something.
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Soel Reit
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SoonGäó |
Discordia Duenna
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Jenn aSide wrote: I'm not on any spectrum, I'm simply saying that I should have figured it out sooner (the clues were there, and I know how much MMOs attract people with these issues, issues they don't create for themselves). The clues were there but I ignored them, won't happen again.
The point is the OP can't help it, further bashing him isn't the right thing to do. Is this hard to understand?
The problem is you see my "condition" as a condition (issues is the word you use). It isn't. I am not disabled, rather I am enabled. If you think autism is a disability, stop using every-single-piece of technology you own, put down anything with a written word printed on it. Never quote anyone notable in the scientific community, or literature, because I am sorry to say, nearly all the bursts of human ingenuity were achieved by people on the spectrum. It's just a fact.
I spent alot of time understanding this "condition" an autistic amount of time in fact. Einstein said it best (he had this "condition" too)
GÇ£Great spirits have always encountered opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the man who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices and chooses instead to express his opinions courageously and honestly.GÇ¥ |
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Jenn aSide wrote: I'm not on any spectrum, I'm simply saying that I should have figured it out sooner (the clues were there, and I know how much MMOs attract people with these issues, issues they don't create for themselves). The clues were there but I ignored them, won't happen again.
The point is the OP can't help it, further bashing him isn't the right thing to do. Is this hard to understand?
Thething is that the OP isn't wrong not to apply the attitudes of defeatists ... ... and as someone who isn't a defeatist ... ... he stands up for it DESPITE the defeatists.
There is no bashing here, you're constantly on the **** side of the medal without realizing it.
You're a yes-man who sees himself as realist and you constantly have the need to shout it out ... ... whenever someone triggers you into responding.
"Well, what did you expect" is the response slave who has been defeated by his master and knows no logic around standing up for himself. When he wrongly assumes the person spoken to is also a slave, but then it turns out the person stands up for himself, the slaves get angry (you call it bashing), because they are slaves and can't stand someone who refuses to be one!
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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Quote: The point is the OP can't help it, further bashing him isn't the right thing to do. Is this hard to understand?
Is posting ever the right thing to do? |
Discordia Duenna
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Jenn aSide wrote:
We know what it means, which means your malady isn't your fault. Which is why I'm advising people to not engage further, pointing out unhealthy behavior to someone who can't help it is fruitless.
In fact it's quite offensive to call it a "malady". |
Discordia Duenna
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Zanar Skwigelf wrote:Quote: The point is the OP can't help it, further bashing him isn't the right thing to do. Is this hard to understand?
Is posting ever the right thing to do?
Before you start a new thread
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Dibz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Solecist Project wrote:Dibz wrote:Oh, just 18 hours a day, my mistake Do you ever bingewatch? Because that's worse. Dedication towards a goal > mindless consumption
There are goals, and then there are goals.
The consumption of art is its own reward, it's not endured as a personal challenge with the expectation of a reward at the end of it.
Some people see challenges everywhere which have to be met, and that's fine, to a point. It's often useful to society after all. But sometimes that leads to obsessive and unhealthy behaviour. |
Soel Reit
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Dibz wrote: unhealthy behaviour.
unhealthy on what bases? society's bases? health's bases? pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
what is society or health in comparison to the freedom? |
Jenn aSide
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Dibz wrote:16 hours a day for 28 days straight? What the hell, man. To be honest I don't think CCP should be rewarding that kind of behaviour.
Next week there is a pve townhall meeting, I might bring up the issue of these types of events of people who are susceptible to some really bad effects. Despite all the hurf blurff going on in this thread (much of it I think isn't really genuine), I think CCP might take a bit more care with how grindy these things are and how much they reward compulsive behaviors.
Sure Crimson Harvest, Frostline and Serpent had some good affects on the game, but as we see here they may have some bad effects on a few people. As players I don't think we should be supporting that.
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Soel Reit
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Jenn aSide wrote: Sure Crimson Harvest, Frostline and Serpent had some good affects on the game, but as we see here they may have some bad effects on a few people. As players I don't think we should be supporting that.
cmon mom.... a little more and i'll turn off the pc.... for today seriously dude, there are only adults people around here.
if you feel the urgency to have children.... well you know what to do. "Fc i want many childs, what do?" |
Discordia Duenna
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Dibz wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Dibz wrote:Oh, just 18 hours a day, my mistake Do you ever bingewatch? Because that's worse. Dedication towards a goal > mindless consumption There are goals, and then there are goals. The consumption of art is its own reward, it's not endured as a personal challenge with the expectation of a reward at the end of it. Some people see challenges everywhere which have to be met, and that's fine, to a point. It's often useful to society after all. But sometimes that leads to obsessive and unhealthy behaviour.
This particular challenge provided lots of entertainment for lots of people. It employed nearly every skill I have in eve and the travelling salesman problem of navigating this event was cognitively very enriching, especially when you add in WT's and low sec. Compared to playing vanilla eve it was very engaging. Eve feels slow now.
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Discordia Duenna
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Jenn aSide wrote:Dibz wrote:16 hours a day for 28 days straight? What the hell, man. To be honest I don't think CCP should be rewarding that kind of behaviour. Next week there is a pve townhall meeting, I might bring up the issue of these types of events of people who are susceptible to some really bad effects. Despite all the hurf blurff going on in this thread (much of it I think isn't really genuine), I think CCP might take a bit more care with how grindy these things are and how much they reward compulsive behaviors. Sure Crimson Harvest, Frostline and Serpent had some good affects on the game, but as we see here they may have some bad effects on a few people. As players I don't think we should be supporting that.
I can't fault you on doing this tbh. Let me know how it goes. But people do this stuff without events to do. I have not put in the same hours as I did for this event before, but I can tell you I have done so when I was particularly engaged with other things in games and like I said many many RL projects too, you can't fix it.
It could also be the case that people needs time sinks like this for their own catharsis. But treating the people who ran the event like people who need help rather than adults capable of making their own choices, won't help.
Balance this. |
Arkoth 24
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Dibz wrote:16 hours a day for 28 days straight? What the hell, man. To be honest I don't think CCP should be rewarding that kind of behaviour. Actually, every company rewards mindless grind. That's the kind of customers they welcome.
How it was in Necris Collective:
"Oh, another event from CCP."
"Another stupid farm race."
"Yeap, fu-ük it."
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