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Lulu Lunette Savage Moon Society 449	Posted - 2016.08.22 01:20:11 - [1] - Quote https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4yw71i/why_is_the_official_eve_forums_so_horrible/ Well? @lunettelulu7
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 17562	Posted - 2016.08.22 01:25:50 - [2] - Quote Well? =]\|[=
Lulu Lunette Savage Moon Society 449	Posted - 2016.08.22 01:31:57 - [3] - Quote Well... I don't think we are so horrible I fixed the verb in his topic title. @lunettelulu7
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 17563	Posted - 2016.08.22 01:35:28 - [4] - Quote Meh, its primarily moaning about the isd. Its redit what fo you expect. Somewhat disapointed i didn get a mention though , mustnt be trolling enough. =]\|[=
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy 10518	Posted - 2016.08.22 01:45:48 - [5] - Quote I'd say that Reddit is just as bad. Terrible formatting. Just as much circlejerking. Different types of trolls and/or self-entitled whiners with their own agendas. And most the damning; popularity is everything... even if the content is bad or misguided. It is like asking "why is _____ fast food joint so horrible?" while sitting inside a McDonald's. Nothing to really see here. How did you Veterans start? The Mustache and Beard Thread
Zanar Skwigelf Boa Innovations Brothers of Tangra 11	Posted - 2016.08.22 01:53:52 - [6] - Quote I found it funny how many posters said the forums have a "no meanies" attitude/policy. I thought reddit was the circle jerk, not us.
Lulu Lunette Savage Moon Society 449	Posted - 2016.08.22 01:55:22 - [7] - Quote It's like poop telling vomit it stinks! @lunettelulu7
Winter Archipelago Autumn Industrial Enterprises 552	Posted - 2016.08.22 01:57:15 - [8] - Quote With as much as the Devs post to Reddit (occasionally even talking there instead of here), it feels like it's two sides to the same coin. The EVE Forums have their set of drawbacks, while Reddit has its own drawbacks. Continuing Shah's fast food analogy, it's basically Burger King and McDonald's complaining about each other. Planning a trip to Thera? Check out http://eve-scout.com/ for a list of the current connections. Once you've made your choice, join the *EvE-Scout* channel and request a scout to make sure your connection is clear!
Hengle Teron Order In Disorder Curatores Veritatis Alliance 60526	Posted - 2016.08.22 01:58:02 - [9] - Quote Lulu Lunette wrote: It's like poop telling vomit it stinks! At least the poop exits where waste is supposed to exit!
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 17564	Posted - 2016.08.22 02:00:09 - [10] - Quote I would say its more the differance between drinking in a bar (with rules over priced booz and a bouncer) verses drinking in a bush with none of those things =]\|[=
Serene Repose 2767	Posted - 2016.08.22 02:04:26 - [11] - Quote Ska-roo REDDIT. Why are you there? Slumming? We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 832	Posted - 2016.08.22 02:52:53 - [12] - Quote Lulu Lunette wrote: It's like poop telling vomit it stinks! Damn. I post both on Reddit and here. Poopy Vomit? Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
ISD Buldath ISD STAR 436	Posted - 2016.08.22 02:55:38 - [13] - Quote [img=http://i.imgur.com/dVDJiez.gif] *~ISD Buldath* Commander Support, Training and Resources Division Interstellar Services Department I do not respond to EVE-Mails regarding forum moderation.
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 832	Posted - 2016.08.22 02:57:56 - [14] - Quote ISD Buldath wrote: [img]http://i.imgur.com/dVDJiez.gif[/img] Your image foo has failed you. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Chapo Muerte The Conference Elite CODE. 0	Posted - 2016.08.22 03:12:08 - [15] - Quote ISD Buldath wrote: [img]http://i.imgur.com/dVDJiez.gif[/img] Edit: I am fail at forums. Are you sure?
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 7198	Posted - 2016.08.22 03:24:38 - [16] - Quote I give it a resounding "Meh". I simply moderate. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 17569	Posted - 2016.08.22 03:32:18 - [17] - Quote ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote: I give it a resounding "Meh". I simply moderate. You should go and "lock" the the thread for discussion of moderation. =]\|[=
ISD Buldath ISD STAR 441	Posted - 2016.08.22 03:50:22 - [18] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote: I give it a resounding "Meh". I simply moderate. You should go and "lock" the the thread for discussion of moderation. Nah, WE shouldn't. I'm curious to see how things will go. Many Things That we, as ISD's Do is shrouded in secrecy. The whole program is almost never talked about in an official capacity and very few people know how we operate or what or why we do things as we have. All members spend weeks with Veteran ISD members in coaching and training to properly moderate there given field. And even before this, All members are carefully vetted and Interviewed before they are even given the option of coming on the team. I have personally spent many months training to work the help channels under senior guidance before I was finally allowed to be on my own. Or "Unleashed" as its referred too internally. ISD, As an entity, is a vast program that works almost 100% behind the scenes. Rarely do people ever come in contact with us but we are still there, doing our due diligence silently under the hood. Because of this lack of Publicity many players see us only for the actions taken upon them, and in many cases this is because of Several heavy rule violations. This isn't much in response to the outcrys of poor moderation or terrible policy's, but hopefully as time progresses ISD can be seen in a more positive light as we grow into a more transparent entity. *~ISD Buldath* Commander Support, Training and Resources Division Interstellar Services Department I do not respond to EVE-Mails regarding forum moderation.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 17570	Posted - 2016.08.22 03:56:56 - [19] - Quote yeah i have heard the isd interview ,vetting and opsec are pretty thorough . i wonder what the attrition rate is ... =]\|[=
Lugia3 Tri-gun Psychotic Tendencies. 1510	Posted - 2016.08.22 05:01:02 - [20] - Quote Sorry to interrupt the circlejerk here, but it's mostly because reddit has a downvote feature. GrrIGotGankedPost#347253 will never make it to the front page, leaving the front page for memes and real posts. "CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 2287	Posted - 2016.08.22 05:54:53 - [21] - Quote Generally when I look at Reddit I also check out the down voted posts for people whose opinion is against the herd. It seems to me that Reddit can be an echo chamber at times. Eve forums are trolled heavily, but I can say that the current ISD are far superior to what went on before, before I would have my posts heavily moderated and anything snappy taken out and the ganker shrills would get a free pass, I noticed it happening any time I said anything against Jenn a'Snide for example (could have been that egotistical thin skinned idiot reporting everything though), but now the ISD let me give back what that idiot dishes out. I have to say that the ISD is at the moment the most balanced I have seen since I started posting on the forums and they have my respect for it. When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
Yarosara Ruil 523	Posted - 2016.08.22 06:47:54 - [22] - Quote Reddit does have an infinite supply of dank memes, that the EVE Forums just can't match up.
Viktor Amarr 97	Posted - 2016.08.22 07:12:16 - [23] - Quote Frankly, this whole thing about "waaah, too much moderation" is nonsense. The rules we have here aren't severe or unrealistic at all nor is the moderation too much or inconsistent. If one can't stay within the reasonable constraints of those rules we have then that's a problem of the poster, not the forum. So people who want less moderation simply want to make more ** posts, probably because they're used to a "shitpost away" forum or one with different etiquette (like having the question in the subject line with a "discuss" as actual post, that dumb ** doesn't fly here). The real reasons are far more obvious: - this forum software is terrible - Reddit works better on phones - Reddit doesn't require an active EVE account - it's easier to circlejerk on Reddit due to the upvote/downvote system, creating a false sense of moderation - obvious shitposts stay at the top longer on this forum and should be given a "get back on track or get locked" way more often (yes, I'm stating we need more moderation, it's a form of downvoting that isn't a circlejerk thing) Doesn't mean CCP should go ahead and replace this forum with the one they showed us a while back, it's far worse than what we have right now with the only upside that it works on phones. It's not good enough.
Barrogh Habalu Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 1131	Posted - 2016.08.22 08:01:21 - [24] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Generally when I look at Reddit I also check out the down voted posts for people whose opinion is against the herd. Well, while it may be an issue, I just treat it with "well then, thanks for sorting the thread for me". Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Drago Shouna Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 527	Posted - 2016.08.22 08:19:15 - [25] - Quote We need harsher moderation in here. The amount of threads getting derailed by others all the time is a pain in the arse. I mean the obvious trolls who come in simply because what's being discussed doesn't fit in with their warped view of what EVE should be, or how it should be played, the ones who's own rigidity allows no other views apart from their own. It's happening in virtually every thread now and gets ignored by ISD until they decide to lock it rather than addressing the individuals constantly causing it. I use a couple of other forums for other games, any crap like this gets instantly sorted out on there by the forum mods, it's simply not allowed to grow into threadnaughts of bickering caused by a handful of players whose sole purpose in life seems to be to troll, constantly.
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 837	Posted - 2016.08.22 09:01:49 - [26] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Generally when I look at Reddit I also check out the down voted posts for people whose opinion is against the herd. I do that too, but it isn't quite that simple. In order to both confuse bots early (so someone can't write a bot to have their own threads and comments massively upvoted) and to make sure there is a constant turnover of threads, reddit's voting algorithm smudges the values. There is a good article on both thread and comment voting, here: https://medium.com/hacking-and-gonzo/how-reddit-ranking-algorithms-work-ef111e33d0d9#.4m0ilvuty (and the link internally to a post by the author of the voting algorithm is a good read too). That means, the numbers aren't true numbers, so especially early on in a thread, scores might not be a good indicator, particularly because of the next secnetence. r/eve votes are significantly affected by the flare selected. For example posts from Goons are often heavily downvoted, while former MBC Alliances are heavily upvoted, even if they post essentially the same comment. I still always look down the bottom of threads, but the reliability of r/eve voting scores is never certain. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Solecist Project 32309	Posted - 2016.08.22 09:05:43 - [27] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Dracvlad wrote: Generally when I look at Reddit I also check out the down voted posts for people whose opinion is against the herd. I do that too, but it isn't quite that simple. In order to both confuse bots early (so someone can't write a bot to have their own threads and comments massively upvoted) and to make sure there is a constant turnover of threads, reddit's voting algorithm smudges the values. There is a good article on both thread and comment voting, here: https://medium.com/hacking-and-gonzo/how-reddit-ranking-algorithms-work-ef111e33d0d9#.4m0ilvuty (and the link internally to a post by the author of the voting algorithm is a good read too). That means, the numbers aren't true numbers, so especially early on in a thread, scores might not be a good indicator, particularly because of the next secnetence. r/eve votes are significantly affected by the flare selected. For example posts from Goons are often heavily downvoted, while former MBC Alliances are heavily upvoted, even if they post essentially the same comment. I still always look down the bottom of threads, but the reliability of r/eve voting scores is never certain. Early karma points are now hidden, didn't you notice? For an hour? Can't tell for sure. "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia Typos. the curse of mobility.
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 837	Posted - 2016.08.22 09:15:18 - [28] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Early karma points are now hidden, didn't you notice? For an hour? Can't tell for sure. Yes that is also a practice to help prevent block voting. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Solecist Project 32309	Posted - 2016.08.22 09:20:03 - [29] - Quote Drago Shouna wrote: We need harsher moderation in here. The amount of threads getting derailed by others all the time is a pain in the arse. I mean the obvious trolls who come in simply because what's being discussed doesn't fit in with their warped view of what EVE should be, or how it should be played, the ones who's own rigidity allows no other views apart from their own. It's happening in virtually every thread now and gets ignored by ISD until they decide to lock it rather than addressing the individuals constantly causing it. I use a couple of other forums for other games, any crap like this gets instantly sorted out on there by the forum mods, it's simply not allowed to grow into threadnaughts of bickering caused by a handful of players whose sole purpose in life seems to be to troll, constantly. Well... yes... i don't disagree per se. Such a rule would be of no use, though, because of many ... low abilitied ... who would then report others just for disagreeing. My personal wish would be moderation of intentional spreading of vitriol ... ... and moderation of people who continuously attempt to derail, no matter how. Except jokes and such, ofc. But Veers Belvar - what's his new name - would be screwed. Though maybe C&P likes their pet, I dunno... I really dislike all the useless back and forth pinging about details, too. It completely stalls progress. People waste pages over pages needing to correct people who say wrong things ... ... as if anyone learned anything from it ... ... instead of interested ones just kesping the conversation going. Like, baltec's idea here in GD seems to be an interesting approach ... ... but it's completely useless lost in the lighting rod. Meh ... vOv "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia Typos. the curse of mobility.
Drago Shouna Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 527	Posted - 2016.08.22 09:32:19 - [30] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Drago Shouna wrote: We need harsher moderation in here. The amount of threads getting derailed by others all the time is a pain in the arse. I mean the obvious trolls who come in simply because what's being discussed doesn't fit in with their warped view of what EVE should be, or how it should be played, the ones who's own rigidity allows no other views apart from their own. It's happening in virtually every thread now and gets ignored by ISD until they decide to lock it rather than addressing the individuals constantly causing it. I use a couple of other forums for other games, any crap like this gets instantly sorted out on there by the forum mods, it's simply not allowed to grow into threadnaughts of bickering caused by a handful of players whose sole purpose in life seems to be to troll, constantly. Well... yes... i don't disagree per se. Such a rule would be of no use, though, because of many ... low abilitied ... who would then report others just for disagreeing. My personal wish would be moderation of intentional spreading of vitriol ... ... and moderation of people who continuously attempt to derail, no matter how. Except jokes and such, ofc. But Veers Belvar - what's his new name - would be screwed. Though maybe C&P likes their pet, I dunno... I really dislike all the useless back and forth pinging about details, too. It completely stalls progress. People waste pages over pages needing to correct people who say wrong things ... ... as if anyone learned anything from it ... ... instead of interested ones just kesping the conversation going. Like, baltec's idea here in GD seems to be an interesting approach ... ... but it's completely useless lost in the lighting rod. Meh ... vOv Agreed.
Avaelica Kuershin Paper Cats 274	Posted - 2016.08.22 09:35:28 - [31] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: I really dislike all the useless back and forth pinging about details, too. It completely stalls progress. People waste pages over pages needing to correct people who say wrong things ... ... as if anyone learned anything from it ... ... instead of interested ones just kesping the conversation going. Too many threads like that. They start off interesting only to devolve into arguing about minutiae. Hard to find the signal among all the noise. There are times when I'd like to read these forums on my phone, but the formatting works against easy reading.
Solecist Project 32315	Posted - 2016.08.22 09:47:36 - [32] - Quote Avaelica Kuershin wrote: Solecist Project wrote: I really dislike all the useless back and forth pinging about details, too. It completely stalls progress. People waste pages over pages needing to correct people who say wrong things ... ... as if anyone learned anything from it ... ... instead of interested ones just kesping the conversation going. Too many threads like that. They start off interesting only to devolve into arguing about minutiae. Hard to find the signal among all the noise. There are times when I'd like to read these forums on my phone, but the formatting works against easy reading. Hi! On my android I read on landscape mode. I think that works well. I use Chrome, but I should be switching over to something else. I wonder what your issue is, because I think it's fine. In case you need a good keyboard, let me suggest "Hacker's Keyboard" free from the playstore. It's superior in literally every single way possible and one can even spawn it where the default won't come up. Thank you, you two, for your posts. :) "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia Typos. the curse of mobility.
Kenrailae The Scope Gallente Federation 583	Posted - 2016.08.22 09:49:36 - [33] - Quote Avaelica Kuershin wrote: Solecist Project wrote: I really dislike all the useless back and forth pinging about details, too. It completely stalls progress. People waste pages over pages needing to correct people who say wrong things ... ... as if anyone learned anything from it ... ... instead of interested ones just kesping the conversation going. Too many threads like that. They start off interesting only to devolve into arguing about minutiae. Hard to find the signal among all the noise. There are times when I'd like to read these forums on my phone, but the formatting works against easy reading. Product of what Eve is really. Nearly every problem one encounters in the game can be solved so many different ways. As a result, people have different experiences when dealing with the same problem, different perspectives of why it works and doesn't work, so when it comes to discussing ideas you still have 6 different people who have all overcome the same obstacle 6 different ways, so naturally they think this way is better than that way, or they feel that this attribute is more important than that one. Often times there is merit to what both parties are saying, but trying to get people to discuss 'the problem' and not 'my way of fixing it is better because of this reason' is nigh impossible. EDIT: Gah that's a run on sentence and a half..... ignore my bad typing.... The Law is a point of View The NPE IS a big deal
Dibz Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 111	Posted - 2016.08.22 10:34:16 - [34] - Quote Ironically enough, the forum rules prevent me from saying why the forums are worse than reddit. Neat little clause that, at least from the ISD's point of view
pajedas Warlord of Mars 171	Posted - 2016.08.22 11:23:15 - [35] - Quote ISD Buldath wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote: I give it a resounding "Meh". I simply moderate. You should go and "lock" the the thread for discussion of moderation. Nah, WE shouldn't. I'm curious to see how things will go. Many Things That we, as ISD's Do is shrouded in secrecy. The whole program is almost never talked about in an official capacity and very few people know how we operate or what or why we do things as we have. All members spend weeks with Veteran ISD members in coaching and training to properly moderate there given field. And even before this, All members are carefully vetted and Interviewed before they are even given the option of coming on the team. I have personally spent many months training to work the help channels under senior guidance before I was finally allowed to be on my own. Or "Unleashed" as its referred too internally. ISD, As an entity, is a vast program that works almost 100% behind the scenes. Rarely do people ever come in contact with us but we are still there, doing our due diligence silently under the hood. Because of this lack of Publicity many players see us only for the actions taken upon them, and in many cases this is because of Several heavy rule violations. This isn't much in response to the outcrys of poor moderation or terrible policy's, but hopefully as time progresses ISD can be seen in a more positive light as we grow into a more transparent entity. You've locked many threads for far less. So, it's all about "you're opinion". Fail.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 26638	Posted - 2016.08.22 11:29:08 - [36] - Quote pajedas wrote: You've locked many threads for far less. So, it's all about "you're opinion". Fail. It's your opinion, not you're opinion; you're being the contraction of you are. Before you start shouting fail you should make sure that what you post doesn't display any failures. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
pajedas Warlord of Mars 171	Posted - 2016.08.22 11:33:47 - [37] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: pajedas wrote: You've locked many threads for far less. So, it's all about "you're opinion". Fail. It's your opinion, not you're opinion; you're being the contraction of you are. Before you start shouting fail you should make sure that what you post doesn't display any failures. sPeling isnnt my highust priorritty. Butt thanx!
Solecist Project 32315	Posted - 2016.08.22 11:33:52 - [38] - Quote Dibz wrote: Ironically enough, the forum rules prevent me from saying why the forums are worse than reddit. Neat little clause that, at least from the ISD's point of view It's funny how this doesn't match. You say the forums are worse than reddit ... ... and you also say CAS is full of immature males who behave "cliquey". And that is pretty much a perfect description of /r/eve. Make up your mind or stop bullshitting. "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia Typos. the curse of mobility.
pajedas Warlord of Mars 171	Posted - 2016.08.22 11:38:20 - [39] - Quote @Solecist Project @ISD Buldath Seems to be a thread of contradictions. Be sure to run splchk.
Solecist Project 32317	Posted - 2016.08.22 11:50:18 - [40] - Quote pajedas wrote: @Solecist Project @ISD Buldath Seems to be a thread of contradictions. Be sure to run splchk. See... instead of a twoliner you could have actually explained your point ... ... preferrably relatively objective and true to the facts! :D But ou don't. You just drop this here and don't actually care about how it comes across. Or if anyone actually understands you. And you don't care about your spelling, which is a bad sign as well. But all you do is say "i don't care", instead of caring about yourself and asking why it actually matters. And it does! Why not try again? "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia Typos. the curse of mobility.
pajedas Warlord of Mars 180	Posted - 2016.08.22 11:51:36 - [41] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: pajedas wrote: @Solecist Project @ISD Buldath Seems to be a thread of contradictions. Be sure to run splchk. See... instead of a twoliner you could have actually explained your point ... ... preferrably relatively objective and true to the facts! :D But ou don't. You just drop this here and don't actually care about how it comes across. Or if anyone actually understands you. And you don't care about your spelling, which is a bad sign as well. But all you do is say "i don't care", instead of caring about yourself and asking why it actually matters. And it does! Why not try again? You should have scrolled up before you corrected me. Try again.
Lulu Lunette Savage Moon Society 453	Posted - 2016.08.22 11:55:15 - [42] - Quote It doesnt matter if you reddit or Eve Forum or #tweetfleet.. We all bleed pod goo (ßâª-ÿGîú-ÿßâª) @lunettelulu7
Solecist Project 32317	Posted - 2016.08.22 12:00:59 - [43] - Quote pajedas wrote: Solecist Project wrote: pajedas wrote: @Solecist Project @ISD Buldath Seems to be a thread of contradictions. Be sure to run splchk. See... instead of a twoliner you could have actually explained your point ... ... preferrably relatively objective and true to the facts! :D But ou don't. You just drop this here and don't actually care about how it comes across. Or if anyone actually understands you. And you don't care about your spelling, which is a bad sign as well. But all you do is say "i don't care", instead of caring about yourself and asking why it actually matters. And it does! Why not try again? You should have scrolled up before you corrected me. Try again. Ah, the inflated ego of the average. Well, there's nothing more to add to this. :) "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia Typos. the curse of mobility.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 7752	Posted - 2016.08.22 12:27:56 - [44] - Quote Went to see what the fuss was about expecting a thread about EVE-O forum functionality, found a huge whine fest about how "everyone is mean and fanboys and autistic" instead. Ah Reddit, the ugly half-step-second-cousin of 4chan. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 7752	Posted - 2016.08.22 12:33:53 - [45] - Quote Viktor Amarr wrote: Frankly, this whole thing about "waaah, too much moderation" is nonsense. The rules we have here aren't severe or unrealistic at all nor is the moderation too much or inconsistent. If one can't stay within the reasonable constraints of those rules we have then that's a problem of the poster, not the forum. So people who want less moderation simply want to make more ** posts, probably because they're used to a "shitpost away" forum or one with different etiquette (like having the question in the subject line with a "discuss" as actual post, that dumb ** doesn't fly here). The real reasons are far more obvious: - this forum software is terrible - Reddit works better on phones - Reddit doesn't require an active EVE account - it's easier to circlejerk on Reddit due to the upvote/downvote system, creating a false sense of moderation - obvious shitposts stay at the top longer on this forum and should be given a "get back on track or get locked" way more often (yes, I'm stating we need more moderation, it's a form of downvoting that isn't a circlejerk thing) Doesn't mean CCP should go ahead and replace this forum with the one they showed us a while back, it's far worse than what we have right now with the only upside that it works on phones. It's not good enough. Wait on a second. People are complaining about TOO MUCH MODERATION?! Do they not realise how few people actually get banned around here? How hard it is to get banned? I know, I've tried, just to see how far I can go. I've spent, in my thirty years of gaming, a lot of time on gaming forums, and it usually takes me less than about a month to get a short ban on almost all of them. Except this one. The mods here are incredibly patient and lenient and know how to allow a community to grow. They know to let heated arguments run their course, only stepping in if things actually catch fire. Have they dun ****** up occasionally? Sure, and I have my criticisms, but I usually don't feel the need to voice them due to how impressively inclusive the mods try to keep this forum. I've noticed the mods here tend more towards community self-moderation, hoping not to have to step in too much at all. I'll be honest, sometimes in the past I've wondered if they're just being lazy. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
ISD Buldath ISD STAR 456	Posted - 2016.08.22 12:38:03 - [46] - Quote Ccp as a game company cannot allow a feature like down votes to exist. In EVE there are many diffrent plays types that all suit various types of playwrs, some more popular the others. The eve online forums need to stay a safe haven for any type of play group within the game. There ideas may not be the most popular, but they are still seen and heard. In a few cases these get locked for bing in the wrong sub forum, forbeing obnoxious or insulting of ccp staff or a particular set of eve players or just trolly and no effort put into it at all. Constructive criticism is always welcome. *~ISD Buldath* Commander Support, Training and Resources Division Interstellar Services Department I do not respond to EVE-Mails regarding forum moderation.
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14454	Posted - 2016.08.22 12:42:48 - [47] - Quote I post here more often, probably out of familiarity. But I think Reddit is better and in fine Scoreboard fashion, several CCP employees seem to agree. You can't blame them, these forums are all whining and meta gaming (the people who can't succeed in game run to the forums to try to do an end-around against their enemies , trying to manipulate the devs into make the game eaiser for them and harder for the people they don't like). Reddit posts are actually fun to read, EVE forum posts can be super cringe-worth. They are current and informative rather than the endless crying about ganking and afk cloaking or lack of WiS. They are more about the rest of EVE space (where people do interesting things) where as the busiest forum sections here revolve around high security space. And then there is that downvote feature. It's the best thing about reddit. The most hilarious thing to watch is how the downvoted people try to portray themselves as some kind of victim, some hero of justice done wrong by 'the big entities', when in reality they are mostly just manipulative attention seeking asshats with asshat agendas that are so transparent everyone can see what they are after, and the community punishes them appropriately. You can't do that here. The best you can do here is use the ignore function and you are still going to see these idiots talk because some other idiot is going to quote them. Maybe if CCP provided a forum that would seem tohave been built in this century (where ignore means ignore) that would help some. But I doubt it.
ISD Max Trix ISD Community Communications Liaisons 294	Posted - 2016.08.22 12:52:11 - [48] - Quote Being an ISD is a damn if you do Damn if you dont situation. You will always have people saying your doing too much or not enough. There are some subforums that have to be hard lined moderated, such as New Player and the bazaar, due to the nature of those sub forums and the special rules for each. I know Ive screwed up in the past, but I hope I reached the balance needed to do the job. Its a bit like herding cats, when there's catnip in the walls and the house is on fire. ISD Max Trix Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department *I do not respond to Evemails.*
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 7755	Posted - 2016.08.22 12:57:13 - [49] - Quote ISD Buldath wrote: There ideas may not be the most popular, but they are still seen and heard. ... Constructive criticism is always welcome. The very core of what a free marketplace of ideas should be. I may not like an idea, you may not like mine, but we get an opportunity to discuss it because that's what a forum should be for, and rather than an echo chamber of groupthink, sometimes we'll clash on those ideas. This is healthy dialectic, and without it, my earliest opinions of EVE would not have changed as they did. In my experience, you guys have done well to uphold these virtues of free expression, so thank you all for a job well done. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Viktor Amarr 101	Posted - 2016.08.22 13:01:58 - [50] - Quote ISD Max Trix wrote: Being an ISD is a damn if you do Damn if you dont situation. You will always have people saying your doing too much or not enough. There are some subforums that have to be hard lined moderated, such as New Player and the bazaar, due to the nature of those sub forums and the special rules for each. I know Ive screwed up in the past, but I hope I reached the balance needed to do the job. Its a bit like herding cats, when there's catnip in the walls and the house is on fire. ISD are doing fine so just ignore the whiners, the intention is there to do it right and the rules allow for perfectly normal posting. Just because once in a while someone took a left turn while others think it should have been right, who cares... ** happens. In fact ISD should probably probably step in more often, jump into cat/*** fight and go "stop your circlejerking and argumentative shitposting!" (I'm know I'm one of the culprits). That would improve overall quality of the forums and would result in threads that have been beaten to death numerous times, where there's no fresh insights or ideas to be expected, to just die off and drop off the first page.
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14454	Posted - 2016.08.22 13:05:20 - [51] - Quote ISD Max Trix wrote: Being an ISD is a damn if you do Damn if you dont situation. You will always have people saying your doing too much or not enough. There are some subforums that have to be hard lined moderated, such as New Player and the bazaar, due to the nature of those sub forums and the special rules for each. I know Ive screwed up in the past, but I hope I reached the balance needed to do the job. Its a bit like herding cats, when there's catnip in the walls and the house is on fire. I don't think you guys do a bad job at all, especially given what you are up against. I do the same kind of thing in real life and I know how hard it can be to maintain a balance. I don't think ISDs are a problem, but their are 'natural' non-ISD caused issues that pop up given the mission of these forums. Thus people seek out other places to talk about EVE. One reason Reddit is so popular IMO is because it is free of the constraints these forums have to operate under. Nothing wrong with that IMO.
Maekchu Gunpoint Diplomacy 416	Posted - 2016.08.22 13:07:28 - [52] - Quote Or people could just use both... THERE, I SAID IT!
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 7755	Posted - 2016.08.22 13:07:30 - [53] - Quote Viktor Amarr wrote: ISD Max Trix wrote: Being an ISD is a damn if you do Damn if you dont situation. You will always have people saying your doing too much or not enough. There are some subforums that have to be hard lined moderated, such as New Player and the bazaar, due to the nature of those sub forums and the special rules for each. I know Ive screwed up in the past, but I hope I reached the balance needed to do the job. Its a bit like herding cats, when there's catnip in the walls and the house is on fire. ISD are doing fine so just ignore the whiners, the intention is there to do it right and the rules allow for perfectly normal posting. Just because once in a while someone took a left turn while others think it should have been right, who cares... ** happens. In fact ISD should probably probably step in more often, jump into cat/*** fight and go "stop your circlejerking and argumentative shitposting!" (I'm know I'm one of the culprits). That would improve overall quality of the forums and would result in threads that have been beaten to death numerous times, where there's no fresh insights or ideas to be expected, to just die off and drop off the first page. There's a good reason ISD let arguments play out for a while. Ending an argument prematurely has a nasty habit of further insensing/inflaming 'wounded' parties to it. This can result in those parties becoming even more inflamatory. Usually, even heated arguments will run their course without ISD having to do anything. People cool down and move on all on their own, and the argument is forgotten. It's actually very smart, and helps build community. In many other forums I've been to, I and others get shut down/banned too quickly to actually form any relationship with other forum posters. Community is hard to build that way. If you let a little flame war run its course.... well, let's just say that there are plenty of people around here that I've tustled with that I'd gladly have a beer with. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14454	Posted - 2016.08.22 13:10:35 - [54] - Quote Maekchu wrote: Or people could just use both... THERE, I SAID IT! Tries to downvote Maekchu, but there is no downvote feature, so hit's like instead
Viktor Amarr 101	Posted - 2016.08.22 13:11:51 - [55] - Quote Maekchu wrote: Or people could just use both... THERE, I SAID IT! Thou shalt not covet another website's forum. BLASPHEMY!
Serene Repose 2770	Posted - 2016.08.22 13:12:19 - [56] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Ah, the inflated ego of the average. Well, there's nothing more to add to this. :) OMFG. Look who's talking. Or should this be: "Takes one to know one?" "Some" of our current "regulars" fail to grasp this forum is about EVE Online, the game, not about posting on forums as a passtime. I'm not sayin'. I'm just sayin'. EVE management posting on Reddit instead of here should be fired for disloyalty. We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Maekchu Gunpoint Diplomacy 416	Posted - 2016.08.22 13:20:50 - [57] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Maekchu wrote: Or people could just use both... THERE, I SAID IT! Tries to downvote Maekchu, but there is no downvote feature, so hit's like instead You cannot censor me in this forum. Here I'm free... FREE, I SAY!!! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Viktor Amarr 101	Posted - 2016.08.22 13:41:28 - [58] - Quote Reported for trolling.
sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 197	Posted - 2016.08.22 20:06:45 - [59] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: You can't blame them, these forums are all whining and meta gaming (the people who can't succeed in game run to the forums to try to do an end-around against their enemies , trying to manipulate the devs into make the game eaiser for them and harder for the people they don't like). Reddit posts are actually fun to read, EVE forum posts can be super cringe-worthy. They are current and informative rather than the endless crying about ganking and afk cloaking or lack of WiS. They are more about the rest of EVE space (where people do interesting things) where as the busiest forum sections here revolve around high security space. I agree so much with this. R/EVE posts often gives me energy (funny AMAs, Memes, anekdotes, funny KM etc.) and the posts on these forums mostly suck my energy and makes me RL semi depressed when I leave the computer. Hence I often take long breaks from these forums. There are hardly any fun threads anymore on here. It is just the same complaints and threads with 200 pages done by ~20 players discussing in circles. Plus I don't like how people discuss here. It is always more like two deaf poeple screaming out their very different point of views, than a real discussion. Also I think the quality of discussion is better on R/EVE. Here people often commit logical fallacies and other bad discussion techniques, which is just a waste of time engaging in. "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Solecist Project 32327	Posted - 2016.08.22 20:14:22 - [60] - Quote sero Hita wrote: There are hardly any fun threads You have to be the change you want to see in the world. -- Gandhi ... and you have to be a pest with it until it sticks. -- Solecist Project Go make a funny thread! It'll be appreciated! "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia Typos. the curse of mobility.
Solecist Project 32327	Posted - 2016.08.22 20:16:27 - [61] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: EVE management posting on Reddit instead of here should be fired for disloyalty. Loyalty towards which part of the divided EVE community? "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia Typos. the curse of mobility.
TigerXtrm KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1579	Posted - 2016.08.22 20:20:37 - [62] - Quote One could ask the same question about the EVE subreddit and the gigantic mountains of filth it produces on a daily basis. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums
Divine Entervention Bridge Four 842	Posted - 2016.08.22 21:06:50 - [63] - Quote Over moderation of EvE forums led to more enjoyment on Reddit's. These were fun until the hypocrisy became overbearing.
HeXxploiT Little Red X 233	Posted - 2016.08.22 21:23:49 - [64] - Quote Well Reddit is just an obvious cluster but atleast it allows people to discuss content honestly and openly. RMT is such a huge aspect of the life and uniqueness that is eve and is involved in both high end politics and PVP but you can't talk about it here. The risk, reward & VALUE is at the very core of what makes eve special which is why whenever we talk about a big battle we talk about how much $$$ was lost. This kicks eve up a notch from just a game. So we here are left out of many of the most interesting discussions.
sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 197	Posted - 2016.08.22 21:45:05 - [65] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: You have to be the change you want to see in the world. -- Gandhi ... and you have to be a pest with it until it sticks. -- Solecist Project Go make a funny thread! It'll be appreciated! I get your point, but the thing is I can already read funny posts on R/EVE or post funny post there with less restrictions than here. TBH. I am very pragmatic of nature and I don't feel any responsiblity towards these forums (or the players here who don't want to use other platforms), when there is a well functioning community on R/EVE voting away all the crap that makes me want to be antisocial on these forums. It is not lazyness, it is using something that is already there and working better IMO. This is just my opinion though, and there are probably plenty people out there finding that these forums are super important. "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Gneeznow Ship spinners inc 148	Posted - 2016.08.22 21:51:43 - [66] - Quote HeXxploiT wrote: Well Reddit is just an obvious cluster but atleast it allows people to discuss content honestly and openly ... So we here are left out of many of the most interesting discussions. This. I don't like reddit much but at least you can talk about contentious issues there. Here you'll just get your thread locked and often quietly deleted and possibly a ban for your efforts. CCP's resorted to mass bannings many times over the years to try and silence contentious issues. So what you end up is what you have here, a harem of yes-men and fanboys who'll avoid contentious issues at all costs.
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 2237	Posted - 2016.08.22 22:09:04 - [67] - Quote I like how arbitrary moderation is one of the chief talking points in the link, and this thread hasn't been locked for violating the rule on discussion of forum moderation. How... arbitrary. "Help, I'm bored with missions!" http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Moac Tor Cyber Core Stain Confederation 676	Posted - 2016.08.22 23:00:12 - [68] - Quote Gneeznow wrote: a harem of yes-men and fanboys who'll avoid contentious issues at all costs. Lol, you obviously haven't read much GD. Your statement couldn't be any much further off the mark. Redditers cannot complain on one hand that the Eve Forums are constantly complaining about the game, and then on the other hand complain that Eve Forums are full of 'yes men'. A typical ill thought out Reddit esque comment... If anything Reddit is the place in which you cannot say anything contentious, because if you do then your post will be down-voted into oblivion if you are not following the herd. Modulated ECM Effects An Alternative to Skill Trading
Khergit Deserters Crom's Angels 4621	Posted - 2016.08.23 01:40:10 - [69] - Quote That upvoting and downvoting system is probably good for sorting good jokes, recipes, DIY tips, and stuff like that from bad ones. But seems pretty primitive for discussions about more subjective, complicated things. Some historical examples: -Van Gogh on reddit, 1889. Weirdo who posts weird shite posts. Can't even paint a proper realistic painting with contours and shadows. Downvoted to oblivion. -Nietzsche on reddit, 1899. Another weirdo, but an aggressive, argumentative one, peeing in everybody's Cheerios bowl. Downvoted straight into the black hole. -Galilleo on reddit, 1619. Not only downvoted away, but pissed everybody off so much that got an indefinite ban. If popular popularity = quality, that explains why Bieber and Kardashian are so excellent, right? The other thing is at least half of all EVE players are ninnies and twits with the mentality of a teenage guy in a high school locker room. Or stray dogs in a pick-up dog pack. Once somebody gets in a good Alpha zinger in on a poster, a lot will follow the lead and get a shot in on the Beta guy too. You see it all the time here on the EVE forums. (Well, you used to at least, when forums were more lively). The momentum starts rolling one way, and people jump into the winning side and post that way. (There was some rage during WWB about this). That's in EVE forums, where you have to actually post something with a real or alt char, and be ready for somebody to maybe call shite on you. reddit, it's just a casual, anonymous click of up or down. You can do it in less than a second, then be on your way to looking for wherever else you think you might find some internet fun. Rule by Quick Gratificationocracy. Start the bubble machine! -Lawrence Welk
Roenok Baalnorn Sadistically Sinister 299	Posted - 2016.08.23 03:12:46 - [70] - Quote Reddit is for chest beating and smack talking. The forums are for intelligent conversation. I hate reddit posting style though.
sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 197	Posted - 2016.08.23 06:49:03 - [71] - Quote Roenok Baalnorn wrote: The forums are for intelligent conversation. Each to his own of what is defined as intelligent conversation. I find though that these forums are full of circular discussions with people just repeating the same things over and over, moving no where. As the posts stay here for a long time, the threads keep getting necroed by people discussing something offtopic in far too much detail leading to unfruitful discussion leaving the involved parts more bitter than when they started IMO. Go through many of the threads here, check out the dates, check how much discussion is on topic and tell me that is not the case (you can also check out the posting history of the notorious Lucas Kell for great examples). This for me is not intelligent discussion. on R EVE these posts will be out of sight pretty fast and people will not linger in unproductive discussion. That is the big differene for me. "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Solecist Project 32331	Posted - 2016.08.23 07:51:44 - [72] - Quote sero Hita wrote: Roenok Baalnorn wrote: The forums are for intelligent conversation. Each to his own of what is defined as intelligent conversation. I find though that these forums are full of circular discussions with people just repeating the same things over and over, moving no where. As the posts stay here for a long time, the threads keep getting necroed by people discussing something offtopic in far too much detail leading to unfruitful discussion leaving the involved parts more bitter than when they started IMO. Go through many of the threads here, check out the dates, check how much discussion is on topic and tell me that is not the case (you can also check out the posting history of the notorious Lucas Kell for great examples). This for me is not intelligent discussion. on R EVE these posts will be out of sight pretty fast and people will not linger in unproductive discussion. That is the big differene for me. Solecist Project wrote: You have to be the change you want to see in the world. -- Gandhi ... and you have to be a pest with it until it sticks. -- Solecist Project Is it emptyquoting if i quote myself to avoid typing it again? Hmm... "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia Typos. the curse of mobility.
xxxTRUSTxxx Galactic Rangers EVEolution. 480	Posted - 2016.08.23 08:08:58 - [73] - Quote I've never felt the EVE forums to be horrible in any way shape or form. I've always found it easy to read and follow threads. the moderation is within what should be expected on a gaming companies forums. i do however often think to myself, this game is played by adults, yes there is a few younger people playing but i think we can all agree the average player in EVE is older than 12 (a lot older ) so honest question here. does the Pegi 12 rating have anything to do with what can be said here and what cannot be said? I'm sure it does and would explain why we have the moderation we do. I'm no fan of the split, if ya have something to say about EVE you should be able to say it here without finding yourself banned or muted, and that leads us to why reddit has any interest for the EVE community. still it all comes down to one thing, when you accept the rules on a forum the discussion is pretty much over. rules and moderation are needed or it all goes to shite real fast. ISD do a great job, met a couple of you guys over the years at fanfest.
sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 198	Posted - 2016.08.23 08:23:14 - [74] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Is it emptyquoting if i quote myself to avoid typing it again? Hmm... Lazy reading, no wish to understand or what is up? I have engaged with many intelligent and good arguments (according to me) over the years (many of which you have also taken part). This is not my RL job though, and as the negativity of these forums affect my mood in RL, I will pass and continue to my stuff on reddit. Eve is just entertainment for me nothing more. And you misunderstand: I was just explaning why I think these forums are horrible, not how to change it as I don't care (I honestly dislike these forums after years running through the wall, and some simple primal part of me is amused by the decline caused by all the negativity here creating more negativity.. and round and round we go... watching the forums burn etc.. etc..). And don't be mistaken you are the one who needs these forums to do your meta stuff, not me (my enjoyment mostly come from playing the game with my corp). While symphathetic to your cause, you also have to accept that some people are just not as invested in EVE(The forums) as you are, without that it means that society is on a deroute or that we need a change in society ... "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Solecist Project 32332	Posted - 2016.08.23 08:34:04 - [75] - Quote sero Hita wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Is it emptyquoting if i quote myself to avoid typing it again? Hmm... Lazy reading, no wish to understand or what is up? I have engaged with many intelligent and good arguments (according to me) over the years (many of which you have also taken part). This is not my RL job though, and as the negativity of these forums affect my mood in RL, I will pass and continue to my stuff on reddit. Eve is just entertainment for me nothing more. And you misunderstand: I was just explaning why I think these forums are horrible, not how to change it as I don't care (I honestly dislike these forums after years running against the wall, and some simple primal part of me is amused by the decline in activity here caused by all the negativity and bad discussions here creating more negativity.. and round and round we go... watching the forums burn to ashes .. dead... cold ... inactive...etc.. etc..). And don't be mistaken you are the one who needs these forums to do your meta stuff, not me (my enjoyment mostly come from playing the game with my corp). While symphathetic to your cause, you also have to accept that some people are just not as invested in EVE(The forums) as you are, without that it means that society is on a deroute or that we need a change in society ... Hey, I play my way! It's a sandbox, I can play any way i wanna! Lol sorry, it was just too fitting... ;) (I did it once, i will do it again!) "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia Typos. the curse of mobility.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 44964	Posted - 2016.08.23 09:04:31 - [76] - Quote xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: I've never felt the EVE forums to be horrible in any way shape or form. I've always found it easy to read and follow threads. the moderation is within what should be expected on a gaming companies forums. i do however often think to myself, this game is played by adults, yes there is a few younger people playing but i think we can all agree the average player in EVE is older than 12 (a lot older ) so honest question here. does the Pegi 12 rating have anything to do with what can be said here and what cannot be said? I'm sure it does and would explain why we have the moderation we do. I'm no fan of the split, if ya have something to say about EVE you should be able to say it here without finding yourself banned or muted, and that leads us to why reddit has any interest for the EVE community. still it all comes down to one thing, when you accept the rules on a forum the discussion is pretty much over. rules and moderation are needed or it all goes to shite real fast. ISD do a great job, met a couple of you guys over the years at fanfest. Totally agree on the first bit. I think the community is much harder on itself than it really needs to be. Some of the discussion here, especially in GD, is often more informative than most other places. But, I guess it's easier to be close minded than open minded and that often comes with a view that other people's views are not valid. Unfortunate, but it will never change (and discussion here will continue to be useful, even if some people want to put the community, or individual members of it, down). As for the PEGI 12 question, the classificant strictly applies to the game, not the forum: http://www.pegi.info/en/index/id/33/ PEGI 12 Videogames that show violence of a slightly more graphic nature towards fantasy character and/or non graphic violence towards human-looking characters or recognisable animals, as well as videogames that show nudity of a slightly more graphic nature would fall in this age category. Any bad language in this category must be mild and fall short of sexual expletives. However, since we all operate under the 1 EULA, I guess it applies here too, but more through CCP policy than PEGI requirement. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Solecist Project 32335	Posted - 2016.08.23 10:02:08 - [77] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: http://www.pegi.info/en/index/id/33/ PEGI 12 Videogames that show violence of a slightly more graphic nature towards fantasy character and/or non graphic violence towards human-looking characters or recognisable animals, as well as videogames that show nudity of a slightly more graphic nature would fall in this age category. Any bad language in this category must be mild and fall short of sexual expletives. ****! i should have been permabanned long ago! :( "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia Typos. the curse of mobility.
Solecist Project 32336	Posted - 2016.08.23 11:08:41 - [78] - Quote sero Hita wrote: Solecist Project wrote: You have to be the change you want to see in the world. -- Gandhi ... and you have to be a pest with it until it sticks. -- Solecist Project Go make a funny thread! It'll be appreciated! I get your point, but the thing is I can already read funny posts on R/EVE or post funny post there with less restrictions than here. TBH. I am very pragmatic of nature and I don't feel any responsiblity towards these forums (or the players here who don't want to use other platforms), when there is a well functioning community on R/EVE voting away all the crap that makes me want to be antisocial on these forums. It is not lazyness, it is using something that is already there and working better IMO. This is just my opinion though, and there are probably plenty people out there finding that these forums are super important. I missed an important detail about your response. Your orientation is "consumerism". No clue how to word that better. "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia Typos. the curse of mobility.
Dirty Forum Alt Forum Alts Anonymous 600	Posted - 2016.08.23 11:21:12 - [79] - Quote sero Hita wrote: ... there is a well functioning community on R/EVE voting away all the crap that makes me want to be antisocial on these forums ... 2 issues with this... #1: Well Functioning? I've heard Reddit's community called a lot of things...but rarely that... #2: Do you not find it dull limiting yourself to a group that all think the same way, and simply vote away any discussions that don't match their own general views? I find it very hard to believe that any truly controversial topics are ever discussed there - since by the very definition anything the people in your community view as "controversial" will be down-voted out of existence before meaningful conversation can take place... Sometimes there is value in seeing opposing viewpoints, and even in having a pointless argument just to better understand the mind-set of the other side.
Caleb Seremshur Black Scorpions Inc Infensus 838	Posted - 2016.08.23 11:32:54 - [80] - Quote HeXxploiT wrote: Well Reddit is just an obvious cluster but atleast it allows people to discuss content honestly and openly. RMT is such a huge aspect of the life and uniqueness that is eve and is involved in both high end politics and PVP but you can't talk about it here. The risk, reward & VALUE is at the very core of what makes eve special which is why whenever we talk about a big battle we talk about how much $$$ was lost. This kicks eve up a notch from just a game. So we here are left out of many of the most interesting discussions. Reddit is hardly open and honest compared to 4chan. The whole idea of getting vote-bombed is a thing, a way of stifling opinions you don't like.
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 852	Posted - 2016.08.23 11:39:19 - [81] - Quote Dirty Forum Alt wrote: I find it very hard to believe that any truly controversial topics are ever discussed there - Hey, there's a subreddit for that: https://www.reddit.com/r/controversy Pretty slow though. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Solecist Project 32337	Posted - 2016.08.23 11:39:24 - [82] - Quote Dirty Forum Alt wrote: sero Hita wrote: ... there is a well functioning community on R/EVE voting away all the crap that makes me want to be antisocial on these forums ... 2 issues with this... #1: Well Functioning? I've heard Reddit's community called a lot of things...but rarely that... #2: Do you not find it dull limiting yourself to a group that all think the same way, and simply vote away any discussions that don't match their own general views? I find it very hard to believe that any truly controversial topics are ever discussed there - since by the very definition anything the people in your community view as "controversial" will be down-voted out of existence before meaningful conversation can take place... Sometimes there is value in seeing opposing viewpoints, and even in having a pointless argument just to better understand the mind-set of the other side. You point out an interesting phenomenon that connects to consumerism, media and politics. Plus a individuality-paradoxon no one ever considers. Or as Sibyyl called it: mindshare, also called groupthink. Part of the higher meta "divide and conquer" department. "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia Typos. the curse of mobility.
Solecist Project 32337	Posted - 2016.08.23 11:40:52 - [83] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Dirty Forum Alt wrote: I find it very hard to believe that any truly controversial topics are ever discussed there - Hey, there's a subreddit for that: https://www.reddit.com/r/controversy Pretty slow though. I don't dare clicking it ... i might like it... :D "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia Typos. the curse of mobility.
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 852	Posted - 2016.08.23 11:47:47 - [84] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Dirty Forum Alt wrote: I find it very hard to believe that any truly controversial topics are ever discussed there - Hey, there's a subreddit for that: https://www.reddit.com/r/controversy Pretty slow though. I don't dare clicking it ... i might like it... :D It's quite funny. It has such 'controversial' topics such as: - What if the Bible was written by schizophrenics? - Straight actors playing Gay - should they or should they not? - Jabardasth fame Chalaki chanti responds on Prabas fans issue (whatever the **** that means) DFA might have a point (although I do know of some subreddits that would be controversial to post here) Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Dibz Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 115	Posted - 2016.08.23 11:48:18 - [85] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Dibz wrote: Ironically enough, the forum rules prevent me from saying why the forums are worse than reddit. Neat little clause that, at least from the ISD's point of view It's funny how this doesn't match. You say the forums are worse than reddit ... ... and you also say CAS is full of immature males who behave "cliquey". And that is pretty much a perfect description of /r/eve. What's funny is how you took two unrelated statements, put them together, and presented them as a contradiction in terms even though they're not.
sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 198	Posted - 2016.08.23 12:17:18 - [86] - Quote Dirty Forum Alt wrote: #1: Well Functioning? I've heard Reddit's community called a lot of things...but rarely that.... what you have heard or not is hardly relevant in this aspect it is? There is the slight possibility you have not talked everyone in the world, and hence could be biased due to who you hang out with Dirty Forum Alt wrote: #2: Do you not find it dull limiting yourself to a group that all think the same way, and simply vote away any discussions that don't match their own general views? I have not experienced this myself, so I do not know if I accept the premise. I think you can post most opinions, if you present them well and supported in a proper tone without being offensive. Dirty Forum Alt wrote: I find it very hard to believe that any truly controversial topics are ever discussed there - since by the very definition anything the people in your community view as "controversial" will be down-voted out of existence before meaningful conversation can take place... It is your opinion that you are entitled to, but except that you can hardly believe it, do you have anything to support it? I have even seen that some of the goons have come back R/EVE and are not being downvoted, when they post something entertaining, even when it is propaganda. Plus how many controversial threads do you see here on these forums who are not closed for redundancy? Dirty Forum Alt wrote: Sometimes there is value in seeing opposing viewpoints, and even in having a pointless argument just to better understand the mind-set of the other side. Sure there is, and if we were discussing RL I would agree. However we are not. I get enough stimulating discussions in my RL, where I also like to hear other peoples opinions as having as much information as possible can be crucial to make the right choice. This however is a game, and the problems in this game is simple not important enough for me that I need to hear every controverssial opinion out there. I would much rather just enjoy my time without negativity, untill I go to work again and have to deal with real important stuff. But when it is the same thread for the 229th time about afk cloaking, mining or whatever without bringing anything new, I have no problem that it is being downvoted to hell. "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14462	Posted - 2016.08.23 12:49:04 - [87] - Quote It's kind of funny to see the same kind of turned up nose snobbery forumites have towards reddit (an obviously more successful place)as we saw with EVE (a niche game) vs WoW (as much as I dislike WoW, it is WAY more successful). Yea, I'm guilty of it too. But I grew up. I used to be defensive about these forums like the "forum partisans' here, so I understand how they feel. Years ago it was other forums like scrapheap and I got into bitter arguments about why the forum I prefer was obviously superior. I mean, it had to be right? It was the one I preferred... Years later I see what everyone was talking about. I see why Developers would rather talk on other media than here. This is not a nice place. No it has nothing to do with "everyone thinking the same thing" and downvoting and what not, MUCH harsher things are said about the developers (to their faces so to speak) on Reddit and Twitter and whatever. I see daily calls for Fozzie to be fired and tried for treason everyday on Reddit lol. No, it has nothing to do with reddit, this place can just be awful sometimes. I was knee deep in it up till last year, now I just use the ignore function and forget that the truly bad people exist...until someone quotes them...grrr. And plenty of us talk with people we don't get along with and don't get downvoted into oblivion, that's just one of those myths non-reddit folk like to hang on to, i'ts the new version of "TenBux" (old school forumites know what I mean). The plain fact is that in many aspects (sometimes including it's regular posters, and it's regular topics like ganking), these forums suck and lots of people are discovering that Reddit is a better experience overall. Hell, as I type this I am having to remind myself to select all and copy just in case I end up at the "we got ganked" page, whereas on reddit I haven't had any such glitches. Some of the suckage is unavoidable (it's an official forum for a game developer so there have to be rules). But the rest of it .....
Dirty Forum Alt Forum Alts Anonymous 610	Posted - 2016.08.23 12:59:08 - [88] - Quote @ sero - The primary difference I see in reddit is that 90% or more of the topics are just memes/brief funny blurbs that add nothing to any kind of discussion. I'm not saying they aren't amusing, or fun to click... but they are banned from the EVE forums because they don't really add anything beyond filler to bring people in. Serious discussions do pop up occasionally - but the vast majority of them are immediately downvoted, as people on reddit are much more interested in funny/amusing posts than...anything else, really. You said it yourself - to bring up any topic without it being downvoted, you have to make it "entertaining". There is nothing wrong with entertaining - but it isn't the tone CCP has chosen for their own forums...That doesn't make the EVE forums "bad" - it just makes them less entertaining and more serious. And there is a difference. @ Jenn - To be fair it is in response to turned-up-nose snobbery from the reddit forums, rather than spontaneous - in this case at least. Also I did quite enjoy the scrapheap forums - particularly the battle reports that used to be posted chronicling PvP encounters in certain regions of EVE. Sadly to my knowledge there is nowhere to go for that anymore... Maybe some blogs, but those only track 1 individual, not a region...
Roenok Baalnorn Sadistically Sinister 300	Posted - 2016.08.23 13:16:14 - [89] - Quote sero Hita wrote: Roenok Baalnorn wrote: The forums are for intelligent conversation. Each to his own of what is defined as intelligent conversation. I find though that these forums are full of circular discussions with people just repeating the same things over and over, moving no where. As the posts stay here for a long time, the threads keep getting necroed by people discussing something offtopic in far too much detail leading to unfruitful discussion leaving the involved parts more bitter than when they started IMO. Go through many of the threads here, check out the dates, check how much discussion is on topic and tell me that is not the case (you can also check out the posting history of the notorious Lucas Kell for great examples). This for me is not intelligent discussion. on R EVE these posts will be out of sight pretty fast and people will not linger in unproductive discussion. That is the big differene for me. If you call smack talking, trolling, and BS such as but not limited to: * "My carrier was fit with the following..." ( followed by LOLing at a fit) * " Alliance X is so bad..." ( followed by LOLing at an alliance) " Blah Blah Titan down..." ( followed by chest beating and smack talking) "Alliance x blues alliance Y blobs alliance A" ( followed by blobbing comments, smack, and chest beating) Im not saying any of this is bad. I get a lot of my actual in game news from reddit. Its like reading a newspaper meshed with a tabloid. But the productive discussions in reddit are very limited and troll posting is only moderated by the users themselves. Also in reddit if people do not agree with you, one of the herd, you get downvoted to oblivion. So only the popular side of any story is really shown while the controversial side is quickly hushed. The forums on the other, allow players to ask questions and discuss the actual game mechanics and game play. Politics are non existent in most sub forums. Troll posting is usually removed fairly quickly. Also these forums are much more liberal in general than game forums for most games. You are allowed to criticize the game constructively, in forums for other games, the mods just delete the threads and posts. Here they are locked and a mod will quote the reason it was locked. Other games its just deleted( and in some you get autobanned for anything from an hour to a week on the forums if your thread gets deleted) That said, ive been a player of eve for nearly a decade, and the forums are more heavily moderated now than they were when i started playing. Trolls have got entire threads locked when the OP was something constructive. And unless the game mechanic or feature was introduced in the last year, you always have a chance of getting a thread locked. I mean we been discussing the game for 10 years, every topic has been covered with a fine tooth comb. Is this forum over moderated? Yes a little bit. Mostly in terms of locking duplicate threads. The cloaky camping thread is a prime example. If i want to discuss cloaky camping i have to do it in that thread or risk my thread being locked. The thread is nearly 200 pages long the last time i looked. No productive discussions take place in that thread because its so long. Any post can be made to any one of the hundreds of suggestions or thoughts on it. You lose all context of what someone is posting even if they quote and posting something new your not going to read all those post anyway. Some redundant threads that get locked like " How long does my ticket take", rants, troll threads, etc should be locked right away. But the duplicate thread and spam reasons should be used a bit less than they are. Players want to discuss a topic freshly ever so often without rehashing some thread from a couple a of months of ago. Most of the people that complain about this forums moderation simply want to trash post unmoderated. They arent allowed so they went elsewhere. I have never had a thread locked nor a post banned( and i hope this isnt my first) and i dont find it so restrictive that its not worth posting here, nor do i have a hard time avoiding my threads and post being locked/ deleted. Some people are just crap at following rules even when the ISDs tell them which rules they are violating and an explanation of that rule is given. Reddit is for discussing players and their actions, forums are for discussing the actual game and CCP's actions. Its like the fiction and non fiction at the library. You dont browse the dime novels( Reddit) if you are looking to learn about "M Theory"( Forums)
sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 198	Posted - 2016.08.23 14:11:40 - [90] - Quote Dirty Forum Alt wrote: There is nothing wrong with entertaining - but it isn't the tone CCP has chosen for their own forums...That doesn't make the EVE forums "bad" - it just makes them less entertaining and more serious. And there is a difference. Yes I know, what makes these forums bad as I already posted is that in order to get to the interesting bits on these forums you often have to read your way through 80% bile and Repetitions of 200 page threadnaughts. There is no way to highlight the constructive posts here. They are buried in all the other stuff "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Solecist Project 32342	Posted - 2016.08.23 14:25:39 - [91] - Quote Dibz wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Dibz wrote: Ironically enough, the forum rules prevent me from saying why the forums are worse than reddit. Neat little clause that, at least from the ISD's point of view It's funny how this doesn't match. You say the forums are worse than reddit ... ... and you also say CAS is full of immature males who behave "cliquey". And that is pretty much a perfect description of /r/eve. What's funny is how you took two unrelated statements, put them together, and presented them as a contradiction in terms even though they're not. How are they not? You complained about a certain male mindset you dislike ... ... which is exactly the mindset easily found on reddit and /r/eve specifically. Can you actually explain that? "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia Typos. the curse of mobility.
Solecist Project 32342	Posted - 2016.08.23 14:28:41 - [92] - Quote sero Hita wrote: Dirty Forum Alt wrote: There is nothing wrong with entertaining - but it isn't the tone CCP has chosen for their own forums...That doesn't make the EVE forums "bad" - it just makes them less entertaining and more serious. And there is a difference. Yes I know, what makes these forums bad as I already posted is that in order to get to the interesting bits on these forums you often have to read your way through 80% bile and Repetitions of 200 page threadnaughts. There is no way to highlight the constructive posts here. They are buried in all the other stuff Things go bad, because people have started caring about fun only. Everyone understands that life is **** and work sucks it dry ... ... but when tens of thousands of people only care about their fun ... ... then society as a whole begins to degrade. Degradation into shallowness ... ... and the constant hunt for "fun" things that fight the boredom caused by this very behaviour in the first place. "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia Typos. the curse of mobility.
sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 200	Posted - 2016.08.23 14:30:20 - [93] - Quote Roenok Baalnorn wrote: Reddit is for discussing players and their actions, forums are for discussing the actual game and CCP's actions. Its like the fiction and non fiction at the library. You dont browse the dime novels( Reddit) if you are looking to learn about "M Theory"( Forums) thanks for taking the time to do that elaborate answer. I partially agree with what you say, as it is too black /white and a bit exaggerated. For example the best post about the new weapon accuracy score I found R/EVE. Also the discussions of CCP Quantums reports are just as good on R/EVE as on here. Again my main problem with these forums is the lack of ability to filter out the pure emotion whine posts without any content in them (Perhaps I don't want to block everyone, but just get to the good posts on topic). And these posts are not rare on the forums unfortunately. "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Dibz Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 116	Posted - 2016.08.23 14:31:36 - [94] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: How are they not? You complained about a certain male mindset you dislike ... ... which is exactly the mindset easily found on reddit and /r/eve specifically. Can you actually explain that? I don't see the kind of thing I'm talking about in /r/eve. Don't get me wrong, /r/eve is full of shitposts, probably even more than this forum. It's just CAS chat is kind of... unique.
Solecist Project 32342	Posted - 2016.08.23 14:34:58 - [95] - Quote Dibz wrote: Solecist Project wrote: How are they not? You complained about a certain male mindset you dislike ... ... which is exactly the mindset easily found on reddit and /r/eve specifically. Can you actually explain that? I don't see the kind of thing I'm talking about in /r/eve. Don't get me wrong, /r/eve is full of shitposts, probably even more than this forum. It's just CAS chat is kind of... unique. That's interesting and actually surprising. Ah well. "That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds." -- Tippia Typos. the curse of mobility.
Esrevid Nekkeg Justified and Ancient 2124	Posted - 2016.08.23 14:37:57 - [96] - Quote sero Hita wrote: [.... But when it is the same thread for the 229th time about afk cloaking, mining or whatever without bringing anything new, I have no problem that it is being downvoted to hell. But apparently you do have a problem with the fact that similar threads on this forum get locked for redundancy by ISD. Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
Lulu Lunette Savage Moon Society 457	Posted - 2016.08.23 14:40:04 - [97] - Quote Hengle Teron wrote: Lulu Lunette wrote: It's like poop telling vomit it stinks! At least the poop exits where waste is supposed to exit! I still don't really have a comeback for this one! Touch+¬ Redditor @lunettelulu7
ISD Max Trix ISD Community Communications Liaisons 304	Posted - 2016.08.23 14:47:40 - [98] - Quote Can I trade this job for what's behind door number 1? ISD Max Trix Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department *I do not respond to Evemails.*
sero Hita Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 200	Posted - 2016.08.23 15:09:50 - [99] - Quote Esrevid Nekkeg wrote: sero Hita wrote: [.... But when it is the same thread for the 229th time about afk cloaking, mining or whatever without bringing anything new, I have no problem that it is being downvoted to hell. But apparently you do have a problem with the fact that similar threads on this forum get locked for redundancy by ISD. Where did I say that? As i am fine with redundant threads being locked, your statement surprises me. Went through my last 6 posts and found nowhere where I said that.... I am not a native speaker, so perhaps a clumsy formulation from my side? Edit: if it is the part where I say there are fewer restrictions on R/EVE, that was about not being able to post KM here outside of C&M and then you really read to much into that sentence. "I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
Caco De'mon The Conference Elite CODE. 63	Posted - 2016.08.23 15:13:05 - [100] - Quote ...and another thread locked with no reason given...I see why so many have made the migration to R.... *"See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 8621	Posted - 2016.08.23 15:15:18 - [101] - Quote ISD Max Trix wrote: Can I trade this job for what's behind door number 1? CCP is actually paying you guys now? Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper: 'Hodor'.
ISD Max Trix ISD Community Communications Liaisons 304	Posted - 2016.08.23 15:21:05 - [102] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: ISD Max Trix wrote: Can I trade this job for what's behind door number 1? CCP is actually paying you guys now? I get dank memes. ISD Max Trix Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department *I do not respond to Evemails.*
Pandora Carrollon Dawn of a New Horizon The Republic. 588	Posted - 2016.08.23 21:10:22 - [103] - Quote Funny that r/eve users are complaining about over moderation and lack of down voting, while I think that the forums are well moderated and can't stand the down voting cliques on r/eve. Doesn't mean it doesn't have a place in the world, I still read it. No issues with the ISD here, they're right, it's a thankless job, one I have had to do before. So, while r/eve folks may hate you ISD guys, I say thank you for keeping the place pretty clean and a safe place for everyone to have an opinion. r/eve is just a lot of gutter sniper wars that if there was sanity there, that's the stuff that would get down voted. Instead, it's just the lords of chaos having their fun, which can be fun to watch, I just feel like I need a shower after reading it. I also wish the format was better and more readable. Even the reddit readers I have played with haven't been able to fix its readability. Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game -- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 7207	Posted - 2016.08.24 05:50:08 - [104] - Quote Caco De'mon wrote: ...and another thread locked with no reason given...I see why so many have made the migration to R.... Any thread locked by ISD has a good reason behind it, and we will post the rule broken in the locking post. We strive to be as transparent as possible so you know exactly what's up. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Kaybella Hakaari State War Academy Caldari State 29	Posted - 2016.08.24 06:01:22 - [105] - Quote It would be nice if those threads locked for redundancy had a link to an original thread in them. That would make sure the original thread exists and is unlocked.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 7207	Posted - 2016.08.24 06:17:25 - [106] - Quote Kaybella Hakaari wrote: It would be nice if those threads locked for redundancy had a link to an original thread in them. That would make sure the original thread exists and is unlocked. I'll keep that in mind for future threads, thanks. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Pandora Carrollon Dawn of a New Horizon The Republic. 593	Posted - 2016.08.24 14:59:19 - [107] - Quote Kaybella Hakaari wrote: It would be nice if those threads locked for redundancy had a link to an original thread in them. That would make sure the original thread exists and is unlocked. Some of the redundant threads are locked and redundant because they got locked in the first place and the poster didn't take the hint the first time. Be Positive GÇó Change yourself first, New Eden will come later GÇó EVE is Awesome GÇó CCP isn't the enemy GÇó Players are people too GÇó Where're the clothing blueprints GÇó Yeah, I'm still learning this game -- Pandora's Rules to EVE by
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 17689	Posted - 2016.08.24 16:06:30 - [108] - Quote I don't know what people are saying about us not having a down vote option, we do. You login, find the gobby fecker and shoot him in the goddamn mouth. Simple. =]\|[=
Sasha Nemtsov Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 152	Posted - 2016.08.24 16:07:07 - [109] - Quote Player forums seem to reflect the state of the game pretty accurately, whether on Reddit or over here. Dead sub-forums and topics avoided are a very good indication of how players regard aspects of the game. It's not always an indication that those aspects are sufficiently well-regarded not to require comment or discussion. I come here because - as someone mentioned, above - there is discussion of Highsec, my home. There's not too much talk about Highsec on Reddit. But I do glance over at Reddit, every day. Considering that the bulk of the material doesn't involve me, it says something about the attraction of r/eve. There are some good posters; by which I mean people who have good ideas and can write about them effectively. I'll probably be unpopular for saying this, but to hell with it. Here on EVE-O I get really frustrated by people who don't do their prep. They don't think before or while they write; they don't consider that someone may read their stuff and that , therefore, it should be presented reasonably. This isn't about poor spelling or grammar - those are merely minor annoyances for me. It's about content and presentation. There have been many threads where I've thought, 'I want to say something about that'. But I held off, either because one of the forum regulars covered the point or because, on reflection, what I had to say wasn't actually that good/funny/original. It has become so bad that, good point or not, I simply won't read walls of paragraph-less text. If you can't bother, why should I? So I think Reddit is ok, but these forums are what I regard as 'home'. I just wish there was more self-moderation... 'Local' is highly suited to carry 'Chat'. These boards seem frequently to be home to a curious hybrid communication system, falling somewhere between Chat and Discussion. It's not very successful much of the time. But still, here I am....
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 8627	Posted - 2016.08.24 16:12:09 - [110] - Quote ISD Max Trix wrote: Doc Fury wrote: ISD Max Trix wrote: Can I trade this job for what's behind door number 1? CCP is actually paying you guys now? I get dank memes. Make sure to put that on your CV. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper: 'Hodor'.
Aen Clarke State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.08.24 17:57:57 - [111] - Quote This is probably the best gamingforum out there. Lol. (?)
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 3332	Posted - 2016.08.24 18:05:45 - [112] - Quote I think you are way off, OP. The forums here technically are pretty great. There were a couple of things that were not brought over from the old forums that I miss: We used to be able to have a small graphic gamer tag as our signature. It was fun to see the creativity of other players and afforded pods to inject a little of their personal style into their posts. It made it easier to get a vibe of the player. It's a damn shame that was removed and I think it was a mistake. Post formatting: we used to have colors. The posts, especially mega-posts, just looked a lot more engaging. Hell, you see ISD posting images left and right just in this thread. It's too bad us GP players can't do that anymore, and this thread is a great demo of why. ISD is doing it because its fun(ny). It is. So how about the rest of us? Other than that, find me a better gaming forum. There's a lot going on in EvE, and so there's a lot that needs to be happening technically in these forums. I'm one of the first to bitc* about CCP's many screw ups. These forums are not one of them. CCP did a great job here. If you have a problem with these forums I would bet it has more to do with the player base than the forums we are on now. Just my 2 ISK...
TackyTachy1 Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 97	Posted - 2016.08.25 02:53:22 - [113] - Quote I just finished reading this entire thread. Why, I wonder? Forum Rep for a bunch of characters, couple corps and one seriously Lost In Space multiboxer.
Solecist Project 32452	Posted - 2016.08.25 08:55:27 - [114] - Quote TackyTachy1 wrote: I just finished reading this entire thread. Why, I wonder? You did well. Nicely done! pats you on the back :) That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia 8 Golden Rules of EVE
Pandora Carrollon Dawn of a New Horizon The Republic. 599	Posted - 2016.08.25 14:52:23 - [115] - Quote Sasha Nemtsov mentioned that some folks here don't do their homework before they post. That's entirely true. Those that don't get schooled/trolled pretty fast and it ends up educating the poster or at least making the thread fun for everyone. I think that's kind of what Ralph KG was getting at but maybe I didn't do enough homework on that first. r/eve is RIFE with posters that are clueless about what they are saying. There they rely on the downvote system to nerf the post into obscurity. Here, such threads also end up on the back pages by just the passage of time. If they are bad enough they get locked and that's that. So both forum types have their moderation ways, one is community moderated with the only rule being popular vote, the other is... moderated by volunteers from the community that have to follow rules set by the host. That, in a nutshell, explains the good and bad of each system. Post where you like, you suffer the patience of the community in either case after you hit that POST button. In that sense, both systems are identical. 8 Golden Rules of EVE GÇó EVE is entirely PvP
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 17728	Posted - 2016.08.25 15:36:16 - [116] - Quote Pandora Carrollon wrote: Sasha Nemtsov mentioned that some folks here don't do their homework before they post. That's entirely true. Those that don't get schooled/trolled pretty fast and it ends up educating the poster or at least making the thread fun for everyone. I think that's kind of what Ralph KG was getting at but maybe I didn't do enough homework on that first. r/eve is RIFE with posters that are clueless about what they are saying. There they rely on the downvote system to nerf the post into obscurity. Here, such threads also end up on the back pages by just the passage of time. If they are bad enough they get locked and that's that. So both forum types have their moderation ways, one is community moderated with the only rule being popular vote, the other is... moderated by volunteers from the community that have to follow rules set by the host. That, in a nutshell, explains the good and bad of each system. Post where you like, you suffer the patience of the community in either case after you hit that POST button. In that sense, both systems are identical. Yeah that's one thing I like about the forum, your ignorance and /or misinformed notions get confronted immediately and usually at length, To varying degrees of civility depending upon your attitude. Hell I ended up in devil's because I posted some hilariously shitfit legion losses, got roundly thrashed for them and took it on the chin with a good attitude. =]\|[=
Solecist Project 32492	Posted - 2016.08.25 19:10:56 - [117] - Quote Sasha Nemtsov wrote: This isn't about poor spelling or grammar - those are merely minor annoyances for me. ... a curious hybrid communication system, falling somewhere between Chat and Discussion. It's not very successful much of the time. But still, here I am.... Yo ain' talkin' **** 'bout ma gramma do ya? That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia 8 Golden Rules of EVE
Mike Azariah The Scope Gallente Federation 3549	Posted - 2016.08.26 06:03:56 - [118] - Quote OK, I will use my mad powers and institute a shutdown of the forums and demand something better. May take a bit of time but . . . I know you are all patient. m Mike Azariah Gö¼GöÇGöÇGö¼n++ ¯\|(pâä)/¯
Serene Repose 2781	Posted - 2016.08.26 06:22:42 - [119] - Quote Only thing that makes these forums horrible are REDDIT people posting here. You REDDITs stay home, you'll never know the difference, but we certainly will. TYVM in advance. We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Infinity Ziona Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 2430	Posted - 2016.08.26 06:36:53 - [120] - Quote Not sure if they cleaned it up but forums here were full of hateful spiteful people who were never reined in when breaking rules or making disgusting personal attacks on others. At least on Reddit there is some semblance of control. They also dont arbitrarily lock posts if they dont personally agree with the thread. CCP Fozzie GÇ£We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGÇª in null sec anomalies. GÇ£* Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 892	Posted - 2016.08.26 07:15:49 - [121] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: Only thing that makes these forums horrible are REDDIT people posting here. You REDDITs stay home, you'll never know the difference, but we certainly will. TYVM in advance. You read this Mike, Chribba and Steve Ronuken. Leave this instant. No Mike Azariah's, Chribba's or Steve Ronuken's allowed. Chribba, as you are even a moderator of /r/eve, that must make you literally the worst ever. All you devs too. No posting here if you post on r/eve. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2706	Posted - 2016.08.26 07:17:19 - [122] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: Not sure if they cleaned it up but forums here were full of hateful spiteful people who were never reined in when breaking rules or making disgusting personal attacks on others. At least on Reddit there is some semblance of control. They also dont arbitrarily lock posts if they dont personally agree with the thread. The irony... https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=337596 the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Mephiztopheleze Laphroaig Inc. 899	Posted - 2016.08.26 07:34:49 - [123] - Quote my $0.02: 'General Discussion' subforums on any game's official forums tends to be a hive of trolls and whingers. Nothing new there. In fact, official games forums tend to be rather mundane place for most games in my experience. Now, the NCQ&A subforum here at EVE-O is, imho, a terrific resource for new and veteran players alike. Trolling is kept to a minimum, and players will often call out a troll before the ISDs need to rouse from their slumber. There's plenty of super-helpful posters that will happily and gladly answer the noob'est of inquiries with some wit and accurate information. Huge shoutouts here to Ralph King Griffin, Feyd Rautha Harkonnen and Tau Calabander in particular. NCQ&A represents some of the best posting EVE has to offer. Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 44967	Posted - 2016.08.26 07:42:48 - [124] - Quote Mephiztopheleze wrote: my $0.02: 'General Discussion' subforums on any game's official forums tends to be a hive of trolls and whingers. Nothing new there. In fact, official games forums tend to be rather mundane place for most games in my experience. Now, the NCQ&A subforum here at EVE-O is, imho, a terrific resource for new and veteran players alike. Trolling is kept to a minimum, and players will often call out a troll before the ISDs need to rouse from their slumber. There's plenty of super-helpful posters that will happily and gladly answer the noob'est of inquiries with some wit and accurate information. Huge shoutouts here to Ralph King Griffin, Feyd Rautha Harkonnen and Tau Calabander in particular. NCQ&A represents some of the best posting EVE has to offer. I think I wrote it earlier in the thread, but if not - I think the word troll is overused here, especially in GD. Troll seems to be a word rolled out everytime someone has a different opinion: "don't agree with me, you're just a troll". By the same thinking, if someone is a troll for having an opinion, then the person using the word must also be a troll, because they have an opinion too. I think it's one of those things of the internet. It's easy to throw insults at people, because no thought is involved. However, as soon as a few moments are taken to think about something, other people's opinions start to make sense (within limits anyway). I only play Eve, so can't really comment on other forums, however as far as GD goes, I've always found it to be one of the best places to have a good discussion here. There aren't too many trolls at all and the ones that do appear tend to only last a short while. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire 15510	Posted - 2016.08.26 08:50:15 - [125] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Serene Repose wrote: Only thing that makes these forums horrible are REDDIT people posting here. You REDDITs stay home, you'll never know the difference, but we certainly will. TYVM in advance. You read this Mike, Chribba and Steve Ronuken. Leave this instant. No Mike Azariah's, Chribba's or Steve Ronuken's allowed. Chribba, as you are even a moderator of /r/eve, that must make you literally the worst ever. All you devs too. No posting here if you post on r/eve. I'm using up my weekly quota with this post! GÿàGÿàGÿà Secure 3rd party service GÿàGÿàGÿà Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' Twitter @Chribba

Serene Repose 2784	Posted - 2016.08.26 08:51:19 - [126] - Quote Chribba wrote: Shae Tadaruwa wrote: Serene Repose wrote: Only thing that makes these forums horrible are REDDIT people posting here. You REDDITs stay home, you'll never know the difference, but we certainly will. TYVM in advance. You read this Mike, Chribba and Steve Ronuken. Leave this instant. No Mike Azariah's, Chribba's or Steve Ronuken's allowed. Chribba, as you are even a moderator of /r/eve, that must make you literally the worst ever. All you devs too. No posting here if you post on r/eve. I'm using up my weekly quota with this post! Grrrrrrrr We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 17737	Posted - 2016.08.26 09:16:16 - [127] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: I think it's one of those things of the internet. It's easy to throw insults at people, because no thought is required, and when we are playing games or browsing websites, serious thought is a bit removed from what we want to do. We do enough of that in daily life. However, as soon as a few moments are taken to think about something, other people's opinions start to make sense (within limits anyway). And then you can tailor a really funny insult that's both topical and relevant E.G. Infinity Ziona wrote: Not sure if they cleaned it up but forums here were full of hateful spiteful people who were never reined in when breaking rules or making disgusting personal attacks on others. At least on Reddit there is some semblance of control. They also dont arbitrarily lock posts if they dont personally agree with the thread. I think you just bring that out in us. =]\|[=
Solecist Project 32520	Posted - 2016.08.26 10:39:16 - [128] - Quote Well, there goes my forum free day, but I`LL KEEP IT SHORT ... Am i the only one who ever wondered why someone would want a profile pic that looks like a 20 year old woman crying and her face looking like "please stop" ? That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia 8 Golden Rules of EVE
Serene Repose 2785	Posted - 2016.08.26 10:40:42 - [129] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: Not sure if they cleaned it up but forums here were full of hateful spiteful people who were never reined in when breaking rules or making disgusting personal attacks on others. At least on Reddit there is some semblance of control. They also dont arbitrarily lock posts if they dont personally agree with the thread. I'm sorry but there isn't a shred of truth to this set of assertions. And as for Reddit's pristine reputation, they'll forever be remembered in the annals (-us?) of history as the site that ruined the lives of two innocent people 'cause they're just so smart and can track down the Boston Marathon Bombers just by posting innuendo, rumor and supposition convincingly back and forth to one another - unabated. ISD's don't have to use their personal opinions, and to tell you the truth, not much is posted here where opinion makes much difference. Where opinion is relevant to the game, threads are unmolested - except by the posters. Furthermore, to assert there are fewer internet jerks, functional illiterates, mannerless and ill-behaved people on Reddit is an out and out lie. TYVM. Have a nice day! We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Solecist Project 32520	Posted - 2016.08.26 10:48:37 - [130] - Quote Alternatively it could be a face of a drug abuser needing more. Still, why the **** would someone want that? That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia 8 Golden Rules of EVE
Lulu Lunette Savage Moon Society 480	Posted - 2016.08.26 11:20:20 - [131] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Well, there goes my forum free day, but I`LL KEEP IT SHORT ... Am i the only one who ever wondered why someone would want a profile pic that looks like a 20 year old woman crying and her face looking like "please stop" ? I'm not crying just got some DUST514 in my eye @lunettelulu7
Solecist Project 32524	Posted - 2016.08.26 12:43:09 - [132] - Quote Lulu Lunette wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Well, there goes my forum free day, but I`LL KEEP IT SHORT ... Am i the only one who ever wondered why someone would want a profile pic that looks like a 20 year old woman crying and her face looking like "please stop" ? I'm not crying just got some DUST514 in my eye cringe I wasn't talking about you, silly... you look way older than that! runs xD That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia 8 Golden Rules of EVE
Lulu Lunette Savage Moon Society 482	Posted - 2016.08.26 13:41:26 - [133] - Quote Was born in YC90 tyvm @lunettelulu7
Kenrailae The Scope Gallente Federation 588	Posted - 2016.08.26 13:51:33 - [134] - Quote Lulu Lunette wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Well, there goes my forum free day, but I`LL KEEP IT SHORT ... Am i the only one who ever wondered why someone would want a profile pic that looks like a 20 year old woman crying and her face looking like "please stop" ? I'm not crying just got some DUST514 in my eye cringe THAT.... was bad..... you should be ashamed. And I'm from the area of the States known as the Corn belt...... The Law is a point of View The NPE IS a big deal
Lulu Lunette Savage Moon Society 484	Posted - 2016.08.26 14:27:25 - [135] - Quote Kenrailae wrote: Lulu Lunette wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Well, there goes my forum free day, but I`LL KEEP IT SHORT ... Am i the only one who ever wondered why someone would want a profile pic that looks like a 20 year old woman crying and her face looking like "please stop" ? I'm not crying just got some DUST514 in my eye cringe THAT.... was bad..... you should be ashamed. And I'm from the area of the States known as the Corn belt...... Iowa? @lunettelulu7
Kenrailae The Scope Gallente Federation 589	Posted - 2016.08.26 14:31:02 - [136] - Quote Lulu Lunette wrote: Iowa? Indiana. Corn for days and days and days. Corn and soy beans. The Law is a point of View The NPE IS a big deal
Lulu Lunette Savage Moon Society 486	Posted - 2016.08.26 15:05:46 - [137] - Quote Minnesota here @lunettelulu7
Solecist Project 32540	Posted - 2016.08.26 15:20:10 - [138] - Quote Ain't you cute, you two... <3 That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia 8 Golden Rules of EVE
Kenrailae The Scope Gallente Federation 592	Posted - 2016.08.26 15:25:29 - [139] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Ain't you cute, you two... <3 You're just jealous you don't get the full Corn experience The Law is a point of View The NPE IS a big deal
Solecist Project 32542	Posted - 2016.08.26 15:27:39 - [140] - Quote Oh I'd love to be a hillbilly like you are ... That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia 8 Golden Rules of EVE
Lulu Lunette Savage Moon Society 488	Posted - 2016.08.26 15:56:52 - [141] - Quote Do you think New Eden has corn? @lunettelulu7
Kenrailae The Scope Gallente Federation 595	Posted - 2016.08.26 16:27:08 - [142] - Quote Lulu Lunette wrote: Do you think New Eden has corn? It has livestock and soil, there has to be something in between those two Stop telling me I'm posting too quick Eve forums! The Law is a point of View The NPE IS a big deal
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2705	Posted - 2016.08.30 03:44:55 - [143] - Quote ISD stifles discussion, they literally over moderated these forums until they weren't fun anymore.
pajedas The Conference Delete 180	Posted - 2016.08.30 20:14:10 - [144] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Ah, the inflated ego of the average. Well, there's nothing more to add to this. :) And to think, I gave you a yellow dress all those years ago...
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 2268	Posted - 2016.08.31 16:03:44 - [145] - Quote Saw this, thought of this thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6616488#post6616488 "LOL we locked the (surprisingly civil, all things considered) thread of the day because reasons. It'll be back after we fire a few wrecking shots into the thread continuity." Never happens on Reddit. "Help, I'm bored with missions!" http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Pandora Carrollon Dawn of a New Horizon The Republic. 641	Posted - 2016.08.31 20:01:45 - [146] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: ISD stifles discussion, they literally over moderated these forums until they weren't fun anymore. I think you are looking at this from an incorrect perspective based on an incorrect assumption. First, the incorrect assumption: "until they weren't fun anymore", implies that the forums are here for fun, like Reddit is. That's a false premise. The forums are here for CCP to get information out and to allow the the EVE community to have an official site to post back and forth with each other. Since this is a site run by a for profit corporation, they will attempt to appeal to the widest audience possible and thus have rules to govern our interaction here. The incorrect perspective: "ISD stifles discussion," and they do not. They moderate the forum posts based on the rules that CCP has set for the forums. They do make mistakes, they are humans and not perfect. On the majority, with thousands of posts per day, they do a reasonable job of something that is difficult at best and impossible most of the time. Having done this job on other boards, I know how hard it is. Please give them some credit. The reality: Reddit is what Reddit was built to do, it's open and pretty much unmoderated. Their vote system performs a similar function to the ISD but it's just as flawed, if not more, than the standard moderated forum system is. Perfectly valid posts can be voted into nothingness just because the person that said it isn't liked there. That makes it something of a popularity contest. You see this all over Reddit. That makes it great Social Media, but a terrible official communications point. The two systems are similar in many respects, but their build purposes were radically different. People keep trying to hold one up above the other, they are both just information sources. You're foolish if you don't pay attention to both, because you can lose vital info if you only pay attention to one. 8 Golden Rules of EVE GÇó EVE is entirely PvP
Syn Shi School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 208	Posted - 2016.09.01 00:27:18 - [147] - Quote You have to do something after you hit F1.
Kalido Raddi Echelon Research The Volition Cult 38	Posted - 2016.09.01 06:54:53 - [148] - Quote On Reddit you can have any opinion you want, as long as you agree with the herd. On the forums you can take a contrary position on an issue and at least have your opinion seen, not downvoted into oblivion. Also, /r/eve is basically terrible at anything except propaganda about the herds preferred side in Sov warfare.
Solecist Project 32766	Posted - 2016.09.01 07:07:44 - [149] - Quote Kalido Raddi wrote: On Reddit you can have any opinion you want, as long as you agree with the herd. On the forums you can take a contrary position on an issue and at least have your opinion seen, not downvoted into oblivion. Also, /r/eve is basically terrible at anything except propaganda about the herds preferred side in Sov warfare. It's funny to see how real the game is. Reddit is full of the sheep governments need to wage war and secure their richness. That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Voxinian 103	Posted - 2016.09.01 13:33:10 - [150] - Quote Viktor Amarr wrote: The rules we have here aren't severe or unrealistic at all nor is the moderation too much or inconsistent. If one can't stay within the reasonable constraints of those rules we have then that's a problem of the poster, not the forum. Consistent moderation? I think that there are some people on this forum that are so used of getting away with 'bad forum behaviour' that every other comment they make is some form of troll attempt or in general demenaing behaviour against new players and players with a different opinion than them. Reading the forum gives me a good idea about why there isn't any/much new blood in the game, no free to play scheme will fix that.
Solecist Project 32778	Posted - 2016.09.01 13:39:11 - [151] - Quote Voxinian wrote: Viktor Amarr wrote: The rules we have here aren't severe or unrealistic at all nor is the moderation too much or inconsistent. If one can't stay within the reasonable constraints of those rules we have then that's a problem of the poster, not the forum. Consistent moderation? I think that there are some people on this forum that are so used of getting away with 'bad forum behaviour' that every other comment they make is some form of troll attempt or in general demenaing behaviour against new players and players with a different opinion than them. Reading the forum gives me a good idea about why there isn't any/much new blood in the game, no free to play scheme will fix that. Which reminds of your own posts and how you're projecting your **** onto others. You really need to look into a mirror first. That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

CCP Phantom C C P C C P Alliance 7018	Posted - 2016.09.01 13:55:48 - [152] - Quote This was quite an interesting discussion, but it seems that it has run its course now. Thank you for all the constructive feedback and arguments put forth! CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer - Volunteer Manager


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