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Demortis Peoples Resource Center and Training... Peoples United Republic Empire 5	Posted - 2016.09.21 15:50:45 - [511] - Quote Whatever you guys are smokin is messing with your logi systems please stop LOL. I'm watching the member count drop daily and people doing mass exodus of game please get into rehab and fix yourself's. I love eve and I have seen it grow to a jugernaught and now without indies like myself your gonna see your weekly averages fall like they have the last few weeks. Soon I can see it being like logging into singularity numbers and then your bosses will just shut the servers down completely. Hmmm then maybe the free public will start popping up again like before and we can all go free omega's in other peoples servers. I can see not many of you guys are thinking to much about the future and more about what slap stick you can create today to wreak the system. GL out there finding other work for crashers is not easy.
Iskra Vohonick Vohonick Industrial and Professional Services 0	Posted - 2016.09.22 03:22:31 - [512] - Quote This change is so wrong in so many points of view I cannot cover them all; the major ones are as follows: As a critique on the art I object to the fuming, polluting and belching of energy and material if the artists would read the story line they would know that this would not be permitted or tolerated in a society that recycles everything. It's dirty and ugly. Plus hey the graphics are all the same now you can't tell which one you are flying. Saving space on the server?. On the arbitrary redistribution of wealth these ships cost differently players worked hard to chose the best match for themselves and their game style, this effort has been rendered meaningless. What are we communists? Now let talk about the empty 50,000 M3 volume and 10,000,000kg mass. since the Covetor is now missing it's rite-ful 3rd mining rig what has gone in it's place? nothing yet it's weight and mass remains the same. Even science cries out foul This is called a senseless injustice why did it take 4 years to come to pass? Cause it should never have happened. I call on you to rollback this change and restore the configuration of the crafts. Let us boys and girls play the cards as they are dealt. Iskra
Kuda Timberline Alea Iacta Est Universal Blades of Grass 9	Posted - 2016.09.22 16:13:01 - [513] - Quote I've had a little bit of time to play around with the exhumers now and I'd like to leave my feedback on these changes. I say this in jest... but I'm a little curious if anyone at CCP has ever sat in an exhumer? I'm calling this the #MiningNerf2016 I'll start with first impressions... upon first logging into the game i opened my hanger to find that the thumbnail for both the Mack and the Hulk now look exactly alike. I'm inclined to agree with another poster in this thread... is CCP trying to save server space by dumbing down the look of exhumers? (I know this isn't the case, but dang, can we get a unique thumbnail? Next issue is fitting in general... Is the Hulk meant to leave Hi-Sec anymore? Why are we not allowed to fit a tank that can withstand a minor brush w/ null sec rats? I've got perfect fitting skills and I've been unable to find a viable fitting for the hulk... Some of the fits I've tried I'm not even using all the mid slots and I'm using a survey scanner (which doesn't take much pwr or CPU). They've essentially turned the Hulk and the Mack into useless machines. After horsing around for a few hours I literally destroyed my rigs, repackaged my Hulk & Skiff, and sold em on market. Welcome to Skiff Mining Online... Additionally I'm a bit confused by the additional lazor on the Skiff? Were these ships not expensive enough for Code. to gank before so now we had to make them harder to fit and add the additional cost of another lazor? This is only a buff to gankers and yet another nerf for miners. I'd like to list the nerfs we miners have seen in the past few years (I'm sure there are more, but these are the ones I've thought of off the top of my head) Circus reprocessing nerf (Thanks for making Scrapmetal V uselss) Removal of team (these teams gave a bonus to reprocessing... CCP removed them w/o an alternative) Reallocation of minerals included in ore. This was mostly just a buff for Null sec. Mining boosts soon to be removed. (CCP hasn't fully nuked these yet.. but I can hear them drooling over it) Maybe CCP could take a few min to make sure a 1.2M isk Catalyst is more balanced with 25M isk barges too. The state of mining is just absurd and I realize part of this is CCP's attempt to raise mineral prices so that people have to buy a PLEX to purchase a doctrine ship... This is something they need to happen so they can justify the new Free-to-play model. With 10ISK trit imagine the number of PLEX they will sell? Kuda Timberline Co-host Capstable Podcast
baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Legion 18152	Posted - 2016.09.22 16:59:26 - [514] - Quote Kuda Timberline wrote: Additionally I'm a bit confused by the additional lazor on the Skiff? Were these ships not expensive enough for Code. to gank before so now we had to make them harder to fit and add the additional cost of another lazor? This is only a buff to gankers and yet another nerf for miners. An extra laster will do nothing to make you worth ganking. Its impossible to turn a profit ganking skiffs. Kuda Timberline wrote: I'd like to list the nerfs we miners have seen in the past few years (I'm sure there are more, but these are the ones I've thought of off the top of my head) Circus reprocessing nerf (Thanks for making Scrapmetal V uselss) Removal of team (these teams gave a bonus to reprocessing... CCP removed them w/o an alternative) Reallocation of minerals included in ore. This was mostly just a buff for Null sec. Mining boosts soon to be removed. (CCP hasn't fully nuked these yet.. but I can hear them drooling over it) Maybe CCP could take a few min to make sure a 1.2M isk Catalyst is more balanced with 25M isk barges too. Go look at the nerfs made to ganking over the years, they dwarf the nerfs made to mining by a long way. Oddly enough, the nerfs to ganking have made it worse for miners as it used to be a case of gank miners for profit. Now after yeas of nerfs its impossible to turn a profit so every miner no matter how they fit is game for gankers. Kuda Timberline wrote: The state of mining is just absurd and I realize part of this is CCP's attempt to raise mineral prices so that people have to buy a PLEX to purchase a doctrine ship... This is something they need to happen so they can justify the new Free-to-play model. With 10ISK trit imagine the number of PLEX they will sell? Actually this mantra keeps prices of minerals low. If you want higher mineral prices (and thus higher earnings as a miner) then we need to return to what we had 6 years ago.
Brinjee Amatin The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2016.09.22 18:09:52 - [515] - Quote Kuda Timberline wrote: Next issue is fitting in general... Is the Hulk meant to leave Hi-Sec anymore? Why are we not allowed to fit a tank that can withstand a minor brush w/ null sec rats? I've got perfect fitting skills and I've been unable to find a viable fitting for the hulk... Some of the fits I've tried I'm not even using all the mid slots and I'm using a survey scanner (which doesn't take much pwr or CPU). They've essentially turned the Hulk and the Mack into useless machines. After horsing around for a few hours I literally destroyed my rigs, repackaged my Hulk & Skiff, and sold em on market. Welcome to Skiff Mining Online... I noticed the same thing with the new Hulk - its CPU and Power Grid can't support a full fit. Whether you're optimizing for yield or tank, you're going to have empty slots. It's disappointing because I was looking for a high-yield high-attention (i.e. not afk) solo option that wasn't an automatic free kill even in high sec. Someone on reddit posted this very expensive option, which is probably self-defeating in the end: 2x mod strips t2 gistum c-type passive hardener x2 pithi c-type small shield booster survey t2 3x MLU II CPU rig and shield rig. fits with 3% cpu implant and tanks gurista spawns just fine
Cade Windstalker 556	Posted - 2016.09.22 19:49:29 - [516] - Quote Malcanis wrote: baltec1 wrote: Malcanis wrote: Ratting titans don't have to immobolise themselves, and also can't be tackled with a single long point. They do when the fire the doomsday and if you are going after a titan then bubbles are going to be involved. RATTING Titans don't have to immobilise themselves. And raising the bar to "multiple dictors & hictors" significantly increases the threshold of attack compared to what is needed vs a rorqual. It's not that I don't agree with your basic viewpoint here (that it's fine for Rorquals to be on grid) but let's not discredit that argument by being dishonest about it. There is simply no need to couple the mining leadership boost function of the Rorqual with the Industrial Core. Let the Core serve some other function rather than hobbling the Rorqual's command boosting function with a restriction that no other boosting ship suffers. The Rorqual is going to be a great booster without the mining core though. You just get the option to deploy the core and get a significant boost on top of that or leave it alone and be a bit safer. I don't really see a problem with that sort of risk/reward dynamic. I'd also point out that we still haven't seen final stats for the Rorqual, the Industrial Core, or basically anything except these mining ships, so jumping to conclusions about what is or isn't balanced on a ship we're basically pulling stats out of our anatomy for seems a bit premature.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 18075	Posted - 2016.09.22 19:54:42 - [517] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Kuda Timberline wrote: Additionally I'm a bit confused by the additional lazor on the Skiff? Were these ships not expensive enough for Code. to gank before so now we had to make them harder to fit and add the additional cost of another lazor? This is only a buff to gankers and yet another nerf for miners. An extra laster will do nothing to make you worth ganking. Its impossible to turn a profit ganking skiffs. Kuda Timberline wrote: I'd like to list the nerfs we miners have seen in the past few years (I'm sure there are more, but these are the ones I've thought of off the top of my head) Circus reprocessing nerf (Thanks for making Scrapmetal V uselss) Removal of team (these teams gave a bonus to reprocessing... CCP removed them w/o an alternative) Reallocation of minerals included in ore. This was mostly just a buff for Null sec. Mining boosts soon to be removed. (CCP hasn't fully nuked these yet.. but I can hear them drooling over it) Maybe CCP could take a few min to make sure a 1.2M isk Catalyst is more balanced with 25M isk barges too. Go look at the nerfs made to ganking over the years, they dwarf the nerfs made to mining by a long way. Oddly enough, the nerfs to ganking have made it worse for miners as it used to be a case of gank miners for profit. Now after yeas of nerfs its impossible to turn a profit so every miner no matter how they fit is game for gankers. Kuda Timberline wrote: The state of mining is just absurd and I realize part of this is CCP's attempt to raise mineral prices so that people have to buy a PLEX to purchase a doctrine ship... This is something they need to happen so they can justify the new Free-to-play model. With 10ISK trit imagine the number of PLEX they will sell? Actually this mantra keeps prices of minerals low. If you want higher mineral prices (and thus higher earnings as a miner) then we need to return to what we had 6 years ago. I think you mean 9 years ago. 6 years ago, gun-mining was at its height and mineral prices were in the dumpster. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Legion 18158	Posted - 2016.09.22 20:40:12 - [518] - Quote Malcanis wrote: I think you mean 9 years ago. 6 years ago, gun-mining was at its height and mineral prices were in the dumpster. I was more thinking of the ice interdictions. They proved that injecting a lot of violence into mining meant ice prices rose rapidly and the smart miners made bank.
Penance Toralen Compass Fox 10	Posted - 2016.09.22 22:25:05 - [519] - Quote baltec1 wrote: An extra laster will do nothing to make you worth ganking. Its impossible to turn a profit ganking skiffs. CCP Soundwave: Sucide Ganking is not intended to be profitable. Sounds like working as intended then.
EA Leguard PROSPERO Corporation MinTek Conglomerate 1	Posted - 2016.09.23 03:26:18 - [520] - Quote I am a self-chosen Miner! Knowing that here is my opinion on the new mining barge / exhumer changes! THEY SUCK! Because you have to spend more time mining despite the extra strip miner! You took away the bonuses for using mining barges making them almost worthless. Now it takes twice as long to get the same amount of ore! This leaves miners exposed to gankers "like CODE"! I feel like CCP is trying to get rid of miners all together. I say this because CCP nerfed Miners and Industrialists before. Now it takes 8 times longer to get the same amount of ore before the first nerf happened! I think that CCP needs to reverse the changes made to mining barges and then leave them alone! They weren't broke so don't fix them! My prediction for the future if CCP doesn't reverse the recent changes to Mining Barges / Exhumers! 1. Miners will stop mining! 2. Prices will rise until everything becomes unaffordable! 3. Players will quit and/or leave in Masses! 4. CCP will be forced to discontinue Eve due to loss of income (aka Paying Players!)

TheSmokingHertog Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium 429	Posted - 2016.09.23 03:43:52 - [521] - Quote EA Leguard wrote: I am a self-chosen Miner! Knowing that here is my opinion on the new mining barge / exhumer changes! THEY SUCK! Because you have to spend more time mining despite the extra strip miner! You took away the bonuses for using mining barges making them almost worthless. Now it takes twice as long to get the same amount of ore! This leaves miners exposed to gankers "like CODE"! I feel like CCP is trying to get rid of miners all together. I say this because CCP nerfed Miners and Industrialists before. Now it takes 8 times longer to get the same amount of ore before the first nerf happened! I think that CCP needs to reverse the changes made to mining barges and then leave them alone! They weren't broke so don't fix them! My prediction for the future if CCP doesn't reverse the recent changes to Mining Barges / Exhumers! 1. Miners will stop mining! 2. Prices will rise until everything becomes unaffordable! 3. Players will quit and/or leave in Masses! 4. CCP will be forced to discontinue Eve due to loss of income (aka Paying Players!) When resource prices rise, mining becomes interesting again... lol. "Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X "Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron -= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-
baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Legion 18161	Posted - 2016.09.23 10:23:58 - [522] - Quote Penance Toralen wrote: baltec1 wrote: An extra laster will do nothing to make you worth ganking. Its impossible to turn a profit ganking skiffs. CCP Soundwave: Sucide Ganking is not intended to be profitable. Sounds like working as intended then. By making ganking not profitable he turned it from pirates targeting the bad miners to gankers targeting every miner. So you are less safe not more. Plus a lot of content got thrown out the window.
Cade Windstalker 558	Posted - 2016.09.23 14:32:21 - [523] - Quote EA Leguard wrote: I am a self-chosen Miner! Knowing that here is my opinion on the new mining barge / exhumer changes! THEY SUCK! Because you have to spend more time mining despite the extra strip miner! You took away the bonuses for using mining barges making them almost worthless. Now it takes twice as long to get the same amount of ore! This leaves miners exposed to gankers "like CODE"! I feel like CCP is trying to get rid of miners all together. I say this because CCP nerfed Miners and Industrialists before. Now it takes 8 times longer to get the same amount of ore before the first nerf happened! I think that CCP needs to reverse the changes made to mining barges and then leave them alone! They weren't broke so don't fix them! My prediction for the future if CCP doesn't reverse the recent changes to Mining Barges / Exhumers! 1. Miners will stop mining! 2. Prices will rise until everything becomes unaffordable! 3. Players will quit and/or leave in Masses! 4. CCP will be forced to discontinue Eve due to loss of income (aka Paying Players!) You're bad at math, mining yields haven't changed because they adjusted the base yield of the mining lasers and the turret counts of the ships. I'm sure all of the miners who can do math are happy this change is getting those who can't out of the market. More ISK for them!
Tex Steele Lone Star Steele 36	Posted - 2016.09.25 16:27:15 - [524] - Quote You want Feedback? Why? You NEVER LISTEN to us anyway, and just do your own thing, regardless. I HAven't played much lately, and today, you can imagine my SHOCK when I boarded my HULK to find that it's image has changed to a short stubby, procurer- like thing from the elegant clean-lined ship that it was. AND to find that I'm missing a strip miner. NOw it's not much better than a mack or procurer, and still has a small Ore bay. ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?????????? You claim at one point here that the bonuses added in counter the loss of the strip miner. +30% on 2 miners = 60%. Loss of one miner = -100%. NET LOSS of 40% yield. How is that "balanced"? Please tell me how this is a Good thing again? You people are INSANE - I've played for 6 years and you have slowly and surely destroyed the HULK and our ability to mine efficiently. Would you please do something GOOD for miners for a change?????? Just when I felt like seriously returning to play this game with multiple accounts and characters and was getting over being extremely angry with CCP over some stupid changes, you do this. Are you really trying to drive away all the old players who PAY cash money for their accounts???? No loyalty to people who have stuck with you for this long. NOT HAPPY with changing my HULK yet again. You asked for feedback. IS this CLEAR ENOUGH for you????
Ncc 1709 Fusion Enterprises Ltd Badfellas Inc. 303	Posted - 2016.09.25 20:05:08 - [525] - Quote hulk has 7.4% more yield now than it had before the patch... you guys need to learn how to calculate your ore per second...
baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Legion 18200	Posted - 2016.09.26 08:36:26 - [526] - Quote Ncc 1709 wrote: hulk has 7.4% more yield now than it had before the patch... you guys need to learn how to calculate your ore per second... You need a fitting mod/rig to actually use all of the midslots though.
QaVaToS Federation of United Planets 4	Posted - 2016.09.27 11:14:17 - [527] - Quote Why do all the time to cut some and raise others? It is impossible to raise all and no one to cut? This is not a PvP ships, miners and so people are suffering)
Mariko Musashi Hareka Kaishin. 0	Posted - 2016.09.27 14:37:43 - [528] - Quote Ncc 1709 wrote: hulk has 7.4% more yield now than it had before the patch... you guys need to learn how to calculate your ore per second... I did and found that I'm getting less now then I was before patch you might want to make sure youre using the same fittings as you were before patch before saying your getting more because if you have to add more fittings to get more then its not an equal comparison
HandelsPharmi Pharmi on CharBazaar 1821	Posted - 2016.09.27 15:12:54 - [529] - Quote Mariko Musashi Hareka wrote: Ncc 1709 wrote: hulk has 7.4% more yield now than it had before the patch... you guys need to learn how to calculate your ore per second... I did and found that I'm getting less now then I was before patch you might want to make sure youre using the same fittings as you were before patch before saying your getting more because if you have to add more fittings to get more then its not an equal comparison He had probably fitted ORE Strip miners before the patch... But I totally agree with you, if you compare equal fittings, the yield should be the same.
MrQuisno State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.09.28 12:49:45 - [530] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Anoron Secheh wrote: What about changes to the Rorqual and Orca? Changes to the Rorqual and Orca are currently planned for November (rather than September for these mining barge changes). We'll be discussing those more as we get a bit closer. Any updates on orca ?

Argyle Henderson Yumping Amok Apocalypse Now. 0	Posted - 2016.09.29 07:02:14 - [531] - Quote So this November patch....I have an idea on the name. GANKERS DELIGHT oNCE AGAIN ccp SCREWS OVER THE non pvp players. Not everyone is here for pew pew. nor should they be made to pvp.
Ncc 1709 Fusion Enterprises Ltd Badfellas Inc. 303	Posted - 2016.09.29 10:09:46 - [532] - Quote no ore strips... simple math... Max yield setup, T2 strips with crystals No implants Without fleet boosts pre patch yield 1170 m3 per lazer per 122.4s equals 31.2 m3/s post patch yeild 1593.5 per 103.3s 30.8 m3/s With fleet boosts Pre patch yield 1344 m3 per lazer per 70.7s 57m3/s post patch yield 1833 m3 per lazer per 59.7s 61.4m3/s so if your mining without boosts, you do yield worse than pre patch. if you use rorq boosts, you yield better. As for fit. i actually have a better tank fitted now than i did before the patch. poke me in game if you want it
Mariko Musashi Hareka Kaishin. 0	Posted - 2016.09.29 13:15:48 - [533] - Quote Cade Windstalker wrote: EA Leguard wrote: I am a self-chosen Miner! Knowing that here is my opinion on the new mining barge / exhumer changes! THEY SUCK! Because you have to spend more time mining despite the extra strip miner! You took away the bonuses for using mining barges making them almost worthless. Now it takes twice as long to get the same amount of ore! This leaves miners exposed to gankers "like CODE"! I feel like CCP is trying to get rid of miners all together. I say this because CCP nerfed Miners and Industrialists before. Now it takes 8 times longer to get the same amount of ore before the first nerf happened! I think that CCP needs to reverse the changes made to mining barges and then leave them alone! They weren't broke so don't fix them! My prediction for the future if CCP doesn't reverse the recent changes to Mining Barges / Exhumers! 1. Miners will stop mining! 2. Prices will rise until everything becomes unaffordable! 3. Players will quit and/or leave in Masses! 4. CCP will be forced to discontinue Eve due to loss of income (aka Paying Players!) You're bad at math, mining yields haven't changed because they adjusted the base yield of the mining lasers and the turret counts of the ships. I'm sure all of the miners who can do math are happy this change is getting those who can't out of the market. More ISK for them! Actually you are wrong mining yields are less then what they were before the change yes you could mine more with an extra mining upgrade but was supposed to be the same afterwards and its not so there we are back to being lied to. Would not surprise me that they totally screw up the rorqual
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1991	Posted - 2016.09.29 18:18:37 - [534] - Quote Mariko Musashi Hareka wrote: Cade Windstalker wrote: EA Leguard wrote: I am a self-chosen Miner! Knowing that here is my opinion on the new mining barge / exhumer changes! THEY SUCK! Because you have to spend more time mining despite the extra strip miner! You took away the bonuses for using mining barges making them almost worthless. Now it takes twice as long to get the same amount of ore! This leaves miners exposed to gankers "like CODE"! I feel like CCP is trying to get rid of miners all together. I say this because CCP nerfed Miners and Industrialists before. Now it takes 8 times longer to get the same amount of ore before the first nerf happened! I think that CCP needs to reverse the changes made to mining barges and then leave them alone! They weren't broke so don't fix them! My prediction for the future if CCP doesn't reverse the recent changes to Mining Barges / Exhumers! 1. Miners will stop mining! 2. Prices will rise until everything becomes unaffordable! 3. Players will quit and/or leave in Masses! 4. CCP will be forced to discontinue Eve due to loss of income (aka Paying Players!) You're bad at math, mining yields haven't changed because they adjusted the base yield of the mining lasers and the turret counts of the ships. I'm sure all of the miners who can do math are happy this change is getting those who can't out of the market. More ISK for them! Actually you are wrong mining yields are less then what they were before the change yes you could mine more with an extra mining upgrade but was supposed to be the same afterwards and its not so there we are back to being lied to. Would not surprise me that they totally screw up the rorqual Mine is the same as what it was. If your yield changed show where it changed. So far the instances I've seen have worked out as stated.
Mariko Musashi Hareka Kaishin. 0	Posted - 2016.09.29 20:15:22 - [535] - Quote Tyberius Franklin wrote: Mariko Musashi Hareka wrote: Cade Windstalker wrote: EA Leguard wrote: I am a self-chosen Miner! Knowing that here is my opinion on the new mining barge / exhumer changes! THEY SUCK! Because you have to spend more time mining despite the extra strip miner! You took away the bonuses for using mining barges making them almost worthless. Now it takes twice as long to get the same amount of ore! This leaves miners exposed to gankers "like CODE"! I feel like CCP is trying to get rid of miners all together. I say this because CCP nerfed Miners and Industrialists before. Now it takes 8 times longer to get the same amount of ore before the first nerf happened! I think that CCP needs to reverse the changes made to mining barges and then leave them alone! They weren't broke so don't fix them! My prediction for the future if CCP doesn't reverse the recent changes to Mining Barges / Exhumers! 1. Miners will stop mining! 2. Prices will rise until everything becomes unaffordable! 3. Players will quit and/or leave in Masses! 4. CCP will be forced to discontinue Eve due to loss of income (aka Paying Players!) You're bad at math, mining yields haven't changed because they adjusted the base yield of the mining lasers and the turret counts of the ships. I'm sure all of the miners who can do math are happy this change is getting those who can't out of the market. More ISK for them! Actually you are wrong mining yields are less then what they were before the change yes you could mine more with an extra mining upgrade but was supposed to be the same afterwards and its not so there we are back to being lied to. Would not surprise me that they totally screw up the rorqual Mine is the same as what it was. If your yield changed show where it changed. So far the instances I've seen have worked out as stated. Specifically what ship do you use? pre change hulk with 3 modulated strip miner IIs t1 crystals 1 t2 mining upgrade with rorq max boosts was 1180 m3 per laser = 3540 m3 per 73 secs cycle = 48.5 m3 per sec per hulk post change same hulk same fittings with rorq max boosts is 1370 m3 per laser = 2740 m3 per 60 secs cycle = 45.7 m3 per sec per hulk So I'm getting 10,080 m3 less per hour per hulk and with 4 hulks that's lil over 40k m3 I'm losing Now I could get more yield if I added a 2nd mining upgrade but that's not the point is we were supposed to be mining the same amount even after the change
Penance Toralen Compass Fox 11	Posted - 2016.09.30 01:11:52 - [536] - Quote Mariko Musashi Hareka wrote: So I'm getting 10,080 m3 less per hour per hulk and with 4 hulks that's lil over 40k m3 I'm losing Now I could get more yield if I added a 2nd mining upgrade but that's not the point is we were supposed to be mining the same amount even after the change That's the whole point, the extra low slot with a MLU2 restores polarity of yield before and after. I tend to agree with you; other ship balances with the high slot bonuses were not linked to potential weapon upgrades in low slots. But I will side with CCP Fozzie because it would be power-creep not have set the ship bonuses are they currently are. But at the end of the day - where were you and just about every other miner who whinges now when this was originally posted back on the 22nd Sept? The opportunity for feedback is now past.
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 1991	Posted - 2016.09.30 02:48:24 - [537] - Quote Mariko Musashi Hareka wrote: Tyberius Franklin wrote: Mariko Musashi Hareka wrote: Cade Windstalker wrote: EA Leguard wrote: I am a self-chosen Miner! Knowing that here is my opinion on the new mining barge / exhumer changes! THEY SUCK! Because you have to spend more time mining despite the extra strip miner! You took away the bonuses for using mining barges making them almost worthless. Now it takes twice as long to get the same amount of ore! This leaves miners exposed to gankers "like CODE"! I feel like CCP is trying to get rid of miners all together. I say this because CCP nerfed Miners and Industrialists before. Now it takes 8 times longer to get the same amount of ore before the first nerf happened! I think that CCP needs to reverse the changes made to mining barges and then leave them alone! They weren't broke so don't fix them! My prediction for the future if CCP doesn't reverse the recent changes to Mining Barges / Exhumers! 1. Miners will stop mining! 2. Prices will rise until everything becomes unaffordable! 3. Players will quit and/or leave in Masses! 4. CCP will be forced to discontinue Eve due to loss of income (aka Paying Players!) You're bad at math, mining yields haven't changed because they adjusted the base yield of the mining lasers and the turret counts of the ships. I'm sure all of the miners who can do math are happy this change is getting those who can't out of the market. More ISK for them! Actually you are wrong mining yields are less then what they were before the change yes you could mine more with an extra mining upgrade but was supposed to be the same afterwards and its not so there we are back to being lied to. Would not surprise me that they totally screw up the rorqual Mine is the same as what it was. If your yield changed show where it changed. So far the instances I've seen have worked out as stated. Specifically what ship do you use? pre change hulk with 3 modulated strip miner IIs t1 crystals 1 t2 mining upgrade with rorq max boosts was 1180 m3 per laser = 3540 m3 per 73 secs cycle = 48.5 m3 per sec per hulk post change same hulk same fittings with rorq max boosts is 1370 m3 per laser = 2740 m3 per 60 secs cycle = 45.7 m3 per sec per hulk So I'm getting 10,080 m3 less per hour per hulk and with 4 hulks that's lil over 40k m3 I'm losing Now I could get more yield if I added a 2nd mining upgrade but that's not the point is we were supposed to be mining the same amount even after the change Ok, maybe I should have specified, or perhaps not assumed you meant one of the ships that were stated as not changing (proc/ret/skiff/mack), that you should demonstrate where those changed. Hulk/Cov did change yes, but that was clear by the op I would have thought (hence the question about the ship as I had some doubts despite you saying the yields should have been unchanged).
elitatwo Eve Minions O.U.Z.O. Alliance 1426	Posted - 2016.09.30 05:09:14 - [538] - Quote Argyle Henderson wrote: So this November patch....I have an idea on the name. GANKERS DELIGHT oNCE AGAIN ccp SCREWS OVER THE non pvp players. Not everyone is here for pew pew. nor should they be made to pvp. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111eleven Mining pvp is the worst kind of pvp. The only thing is that no guns are involved. You "shoot" the rock that nobody else can "shoot" and hereby doing pvp - as in you compete with other players "shooting" the rock. What you "shoot" is yours and you took it from someone else. If that doesn't scream player versus player, you need help from a professional. Eve Minions is recruiting. Learn from about pvp, learn about ships and how to fly them correctly. Small gang and solo action in high, low and nullsec and w-space alike. We will teach you everything you need and want to know.
Drago Shouna Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 612	Posted - 2016.09.30 07:14:10 - [539] - Quote Penance Toralen wrote: Mariko Musashi Hareka wrote: So I'm getting 10,080 m3 less per hour per hulk and with 4 hulks that's lil over 40k m3 I'm losing Now I could get more yield if I added a 2nd mining upgrade but that's not the point is we were supposed to be mining the same amount even after the change That's the whole point, the extra low slot with a MLU2 restores polarity of yield before and after. I tend to agree with you; other ship balances with the high slot bonuses were not linked to potential weapon upgrades in low slots. But I will side with CCP Fozzie because it would be power-creep not have set the ship bonuses are they currently are. But at the end of the day - where were you and just about every other miner who whinges now when this was originally posted back on the 22nd Sept? The opportunity for feedback is now past. Any opportunity for feedback that would even stand a remote chance of being listened to passed by on the 21st Sept.. Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..." " They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want." Welcome to EVE.
baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Legion 18227	Posted - 2016.10.01 12:36:26 - [540] - Quote Drago Shouna wrote: Penance Toralen wrote: Mariko Musashi Hareka wrote: So I'm getting 10,080 m3 less per hour per hulk and with 4 hulks that's lil over 40k m3 I'm losing Now I could get more yield if I added a 2nd mining upgrade but that's not the point is we were supposed to be mining the same amount even after the change That's the whole point, the extra low slot with a MLU2 restores polarity of yield before and after. I tend to agree with you; other ship balances with the high slot bonuses were not linked to potential weapon upgrades in low slots. But I will side with CCP Fozzie because it would be power-creep not have set the ship bonuses are they currently are. But at the end of the day - where were you and just about every other miner who whinges now when this was originally posted back on the 22nd Sept? The opportunity for feedback is now past. Any opportunity for feedback that would even stand a remote chance of being listened to passed by on the 21st Sept.. Feedback hasn't been listened to for 5 years so...



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