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Soel Reit
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Posted - 2016.08.26 12:49:08 -
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Kenrailae wrote:All of Eve is just too blobby these days(relative to the engagement size). People who are willing to take a good fight just for the fun of the fight are few and far between. Mostly it's a 'Fight with 100% surety of victory or don't fight' game. Sometimes that attitude is appropriate.... but as a general state of being it's pretty crappy. Low sec isn't anything special, it's afflicted with the same illness.
it's only becouse people go around camping gates, etc all stupid stuff at the end of the day. let's call it tactical objectives.
imagine if people would go after r64 moons, super cap array, etc. shiny stuff basically. those strategic objectives are more relevant. people will fight for them.
take for example the Co2 titans drop on PL/NC even outnumbered. was awesome! (props to Co2, big balls there) you'll answer with the "blueball tactic" used by goons. and i'll counter you with: keep chasing them down to delve, put them to a wall (KappaPride) and see if they won't fight. every human beings left with no choice will take the only way possible: to fight or to die. |
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Posted - 2016.08.26 12:50:34 -
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Kenrailae wrote:All of Eve is just too blobby these days(relative to the engagement size). People who are willing to take a good fight just for the fun of the fight are few and far between. Mostly it's a 'Fight with 100% surety of victory or don't fight' game. Sometimes that attitude is appropriate.... but as a general state of being it's pretty crappy. Low sec isn't anything special, it's afflicted with the same illness. I'll be logging in tonight, in approximately four or five hours. Sorry for not being around more.
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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Gimme Sake
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.08.26 12:50:34 -
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Sure, the type reflex you are talking about come from mental discipline. That's only available after you experienced the situations listed above and have trained yourself to react accordingly. Otherwise knowing where the f1 or f2 is on your keyboard can also be considered some sort of reflex, in a virtual world the term is rather confusing.
"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
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Posted - 2016.08.26 12:55:31 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Soel Reit wrote:it's not a matter of slow reflex. you'll be able to act in less than a second by practising a lot. it's a matter of experience. Most studies agree that you *can* improve your reflexes with repetition and practice - they are still reflexes. The thing with EVE is that so many elements of the game happen so slowly/automatically... Most people don't *need* fast reflexes for what they are doing, so they don't train them, so they atrophy... Also of course if you are in chat channels/etc people will constantly be doing things to distract you - further slowing your reflexes. I'm not saying people can't train and build up their reflexes - but it is rare that people *come in* to the game with their reflexes already fast. And as I say there is very little incentive for most of them to train it. (particularly if they just die over and over and over and over and over again with no victories to celebrate as they start, in their most vulnerable state) It's funny how that needs studies.
All i needed for that was a tennisball and a wall ... ... shooting it at the wall, always aiming for my face.
And then you try to wait until the last possible moment for evasion.
This really works!
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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Kenrailae
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.26 12:56:03 -
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Soel Reit wrote:Kenrailae wrote:All of Eve is just too blobby these days(relative to the engagement size). People who are willing to take a good fight just for the fun of the fight are few and far between. Mostly it's a 'Fight with 100% surety of victory or don't fight' game. Sometimes that attitude is appropriate.... but as a general state of being it's pretty crappy. Low sec isn't anything special, it's afflicted with the same illness. it's only becouse people go around camping gates, etc all stupid stuff at the end of the day. let's call it tactical objectives. imagine if people would go after r64 moons, super cap array, etc. shiny stuff basically. those strategic objectives are more relevant. people will fight for them. take for example the Co2 titans drop on PL/NC even outnumbered. was awesome! (props to Co2, big balls there) you'll answer with the "blueball tactic" used by goons. and i'll counter you with: keep chasing them down to delve, put them to a wall (KappaPride) and see if they won't fight. every human beings left with no choice will take the only way possible: to fight or to die.
I'm reasonably certain you are not familiar with the content you are discussing.
Camping gates isn't a tactical objective, it's usually a time suck.
People DO go after things like R64's, citadels, arrays. It's one of the few ways that has a reasonable chance to get a response. Even then it's not guaranteed.
CO2 should 100% have chosen to not take that fight. That's one of those areas where it would have been better to let the fight go to another day where your odds were better. Now they've only managed to feed a metric crapload of kills to NC./PL. and get the interest of every PL/NC pilot who was not really paying attention before hand. They effectively handed PL the shotgun to shoot them with.
All of that is measured warfare or just burning time though, in which sometimes the best option is in fact, to not fight.
None of that is just roaming around low sec in a few cruisers or BC's, and coming across a similar gang who runs 5 jumps back home to upship to T3's and guardians with cap support instead of just trading a few cruisers and bc's and everyone having a good fight.
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Dirty Forum Alt
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Posted - 2016.08.26 13:04:35 -
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Gimme Sake wrote:Sure, the type reflex you are talking about come from mental discipline. That's only available after you experienced the situations listed above and have trained yourself to react accordingly. Otherwise knowing where the f1 or f2 is on your keyboard can also be considered some sort of reflex, in a virtual world the term is rather confusing. I'm not disagreeing with you.
I'm just pointing out what you are pointing out - and saying it is why new players (as a *general rule*) shouldn't attempt solo PvP - they should seek a *group* to join and PvP with.
Random Related Story Time:
I watched a man last night... A twitch streamer... a Noob... I don't know if he has any potential or not - but I know he is ****ing awful right now... He jumped into Tama... He (predictably) died... He actually warped his pod out.... Despite the fact that it took him a full 3 seconds after he died... It wasn't a very good camp as camps go... He flew 5 more systems deep into low-sec before he realized he'd actually died... He "thought he got his ship out somehow"... He turned around and flew back... He flew into a smartbomb... He woke up in a station... He *literally* didn't even know what hit him...
This is a fairly typical new-player experience with trying to "Solo PvP" after reading a couple of out-dated guides and receiving no in-game help.
Some people may be stubborn enough to push through and figure it out - most of them will give it up as hopeless after a few tries...because they literally don't even react/take in the situation fast enough to *know how they died* - nor do they know how to find out - so they can't really learn much from it...
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
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Posted - 2016.08.26 13:09:46 -
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Kenrailae wrote:I'm reasonably certain you are not familiar with the content you are discussing. Camping gates isn't a tactical objective, it's usually a time suck. you clearly can't see the big picture! gate camp: it's a tactical ops used in many ways, just to name some: - preventing enemies to stop the entosis link - keep your members safe while they rat in a dead end system - gank logistic ops passing through - and many others ways!
Kenrailae wrote: People DO go after things like R64's, citadels, arrays. It's one of the few ways that has a reasonable chance to get a response. Even then it's not guaranteed. indeed they do
Kenrailae wrote:CO2 should 100% have chosen to not take that fight. That's one of those areas where it would have been better to let the fight go to another day where your odds were better. Now they've only managed to feed a metric crapload of kills to NC./PL. and get the interest of every PL/NC pilot who was not really paying attention before hand. They effectively handed PL the shotgun to shoot them with.
ahahahah are you serious? they tried to defend their assets. Outnumbered and outgunned. It's obviously an action that someone like you can't understand. and probably would have gone even better if Test, PM and Snuff would have dropped their heavy assets.
PL and NC don't need a shotgun, they have already one! feeding kills don't make any difference! they'll keep ruling until someone bigger than them will take their role.
Kenrailae wrote: None of that is just roaming around low sec in a few cruisers or BC's, and coming across a similar gang who runs 5 jumps back home to upship to T3's and guardians with cap support instead of just trading a few cruisers and bc's and everyone having a good fight.
ahahahah good fight ahahhaha people still looking for good fight in 2k16! how many years have you played eve? ahahah good fights??? it's to live or to die.
Fair/good fights don't exist in eve nor in the real world! get real dude, you are so hilarious |
Kenrailae
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.26 13:12:45 -
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Soel Reit wrote:ahahahah good fight ahahhaha people still looking for good fight in 2k16! how many years have you played eve? ahahah good fights??? it's to live or to die. Fair/good fights don't exist in eve nor in the real world! get real dude, you are so hilarious
Thank you for confirming you're part of the problem.
Go troll elsewhere. Bye!
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Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.08.26 13:13:58 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:...so they can't really learn much from it... Unless they ask the aggressor, which is easy thanks to the killmail notification...
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
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Posted - 2016.08.26 13:17:07 -
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Kenrailae wrote:Soel Reit wrote:ahahahah good fight ahahhaha people still looking for good fight in 2k16! how many years have you played eve? ahahah good fights??? it's to live or to die. Fair/good fights don't exist in eve nor in the real world! get real dude, you are so hilarious Thank you for confirming you're part of the problem. Go troll elsewhere. Bye!
the only problem that i can see here it's your "fair world/game" vision. utopia won't be allowed to exist, ever
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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
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Posted - 2016.08.26 13:20:29 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:...so they can't really learn much from it... Unless they ask the aggressor, which is easy thanks to the killmail notification... Sadly enough, even *if* the new player figured out how to open/read that, and asked, and even *if* they were answered the advice would be as follows:
Smartbomber: Don't fly around in a pod. Gate Camper: Don't Fly into Tama From High Sec Noob
Neither of which is much use for progression - though it is one very small step, and *could* be built on by a certain type of player (which is very rare to find these days I believe)
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.08.26 13:20:38 -
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Kenrailae wrote:Soel Reit wrote:ahahahah good fight ahahhaha people still looking for good fight in 2k16! how many years have you played eve? ahahah good fights??? it's to live or to die. Fair/good fights don't exist in eve nor in the real world! get real dude, you are so hilarious Thank you for confirming you're part of the problem. Go troll elsewhere. Bye! Well, he's not wrong.
When you look for a fair fight then you're doing it wrong. Fair fights are for dreamers who want to have fun. They're meaningless, because they're artificial.
If you instead try to have fun by actually achieving something ... ... instead of looking for a romantic idea ... ... things change considerably.
Then it's not about fair fights, but about crushing the enemy.
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
8 Golden Rules of EVE
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Kenrailae
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.26 13:25:51 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Kenrailae wrote:Soel Reit wrote:ahahahah good fight ahahhaha people still looking for good fight in 2k16! how many years have you played eve? ahahah good fights??? it's to live or to die. Fair/good fights don't exist in eve nor in the real world! get real dude, you are so hilarious Thank you for confirming you're part of the problem. Go troll elsewhere. Bye! Well, he's not wrong. When you look for a fair fight then you're doing it wrong. Fair fights are for dreamers who want to have fun. They're meaningless, because they're artificial. If you instead try to have fun by actually achieving something ... ... instead of looking for a romantic idea ... ... things change considerably. Then it's not about fair fights, but about crushing the enemy.
You're well aware of what I was talking about, and what I meant. You're also well aware I wasn't implying that fights should always be fair and that's the only way it should be. I can ignore a bad who isn't even trolling on his main. I expected better of you though :/
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Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.08.26 13:28:35 -
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Kenrailae wrote: You're well aware of what I was talking about, and what I meant. You're also well aware I wasn't implying that fights should always be fair and that's the only way it should be. I can ignore a bad who isn't even trolling on his main. I expected better of you though :/
hm, maybe i'm missing context... sorry!
And yeah he's a troll, but he's cute and harmless. :)
*pets Soel* good boy!
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
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Posted - 2016.08.26 13:31:56 -
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cmon boizzzzz
this is my main! seriously!
Quote:he's cute and harmless. :) *blushing* |
Valacus
Streets of Fire
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Posted - 2016.08.26 13:32:14 -
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Delete T3Ds from the game. That'd go a long ways. |
Dirty Forum Alt
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Posted - 2016.08.26 13:35:25 -
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Valacus wrote:Delete T3Ds from the game. That'd go a long ways. Not really.
If anything it would be a step backwards.
T3D's are one of the few ship classes that is OP enough to give a lower SP player *who is not rich* enough advantage that he stands a fair chance solo against those who have high SP and billions of isk to throw at their traps.
While I do realize that insta-locking svipuls have boosted gate camps/blobs... It is a *much smaller* buff there than to the solo players roaming around in them. So removing them would be a step *backwards* for *Solo* PvP.
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Kenrailae
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.26 13:40:20 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Valacus wrote:Delete T3Ds from the game. That'd go a long ways. Not really. If anything it would be a step backwards. T3D's are one of the few ship classes that is OP enough to give a lower SP player *who is not rich* enough advantage that he stands a fair chance solo against those who have high SP and billions of isk to throw at their traps. While I do realize that insta-locking svipuls have boosted gate camps/blobs... It is a *much smaller* buff there than to the solo players roaming around in them. So removing them would be a step *backwards* for *Solo* PvP.
I'll invoke Malcanis' Law here.
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Kaybella Hakaari
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.08.26 13:44:03 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Valacus wrote:Delete T3Ds from the game. That'd go a long ways. Not really. If anything it would be a step backwards. T3D's are one of the few ship classes that is OP enough to give a lower SP player *who is not rich* enough advantage that he stands a fair chance solo against those who have high SP and billions of isk to throw at their traps. While I do realize that insta-locking svipuls have boosted gate camps/blobs... It is a *much smaller* buff there than to the solo players roaming around in them. So removing them would be a step *backwards* for *Solo* PvP. Once the blobs figure it out, they'll use a lot more T3D.
If they aren't already, they're not very bright and/or think the clas is "cheap." |
Dirty Forum Alt
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Posted - 2016.08.26 13:44:42 -
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Kenrailae wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Valacus wrote:Delete T3Ds from the game. That'd go a long ways. Not really. If anything it would be a step backwards. T3D's are one of the few ship classes that is OP enough to give a lower SP player *who is not rich* enough advantage that he stands a fair chance solo against those who have high SP and billions of isk to throw at their traps. While I do realize that insta-locking svipuls have boosted gate camps/blobs... It is a *much smaller* buff there than to the solo players roaming around in them. So removing them would be a step *backwards* for *Solo* PvP. I'll invoke Malcanis' Law here. Ah, but you'll note I didn't mention *new* players.
I told the *new* players not to fly solo just yet.
But yes I could have worded it better - perhaps rather than "not rich" I should say "does not wish to invest billions into pseudo-solo PvP"... and SP is really fairly irrelevant either way - the numbers are the main thing.
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Dirty Forum Alt
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Posted - 2016.08.26 13:47:22 -
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Kaybella Hakaari wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Valacus wrote:Delete T3Ds from the game. That'd go a long ways. Not really. If anything it would be a step backwards. T3D's are one of the few ship classes that is OP enough to give a lower SP player *who is not rich* enough advantage that he stands a fair chance solo against those who have high SP and billions of isk to throw at their traps. While I do realize that insta-locking svipuls have boosted gate camps/blobs... It is a *much smaller* buff there than to the solo players roaming around in them. So removing them would be a step *backwards* for *Solo* PvP. Once the blobs figure it out, they'll use a lot more T3D. If they aren't already, they're not very bright and/or think the clas is "cheap." You are right - they will. Indeed they have.
The Svipul is the #1 most flown ship in EVE.
And that helps them out significantly in their battles with other blobs...
But realistically getting caught by 10 svipuls or getting caught by 10 insta-locking hurricanes is much the same to a solo player - instant death.
Whereas the solo player, by flying a T3D, unlocks significantly more power than any other ship they could possibly choose - including instant warping if done right, to avoid those very gate camps.
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Kenrailae
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.08.26 13:50:05 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Kenrailae wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Valacus wrote:Delete T3Ds from the game. That'd go a long ways. Not really. If anything it would be a step backwards. T3D's are one of the few ship classes that is OP enough to give a lower SP player *who is not rich* enough advantage that he stands a fair chance solo against those who have high SP and billions of isk to throw at their traps. While I do realize that insta-locking svipuls have boosted gate camps/blobs... It is a *much smaller* buff there than to the solo players roaming around in them. So removing them would be a step *backwards* for *Solo* PvP. I'll invoke Malcanis' Law here. Ah, but you'll note I didn't mention *new* players. I told the *new* players not to fly solo just yet. But yes I could have worded it better - perhaps rather than "not rich" I should say "does not wish to invest billions into pseudo-solo PvP"... and SP is really fairly irrelevant either way - the numbers are the main thing.
You did say lower SP players though. And for discussion sake, Malcanis' Law can be applied to both lower SP/experienced players and Space poor players, with the same effect as if it were being applied to new players.
Before CCP introduced the T3D's, the frigate/destroyer/cruiser inter and intra balance was at one of the best places I can ever remember it being(still some work needed done) but it was close. T3D's came in and made all 3 classes irrelevant on a T1 basis and many of the T2's only borderline useful, or only useful at their role.
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Valacus
Streets of Fire
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Posted - 2016.08.26 13:51:23 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Valacus wrote:Delete T3Ds from the game. That'd go a long ways. Not really. If anything it would be a step backwards. T3D's are one of the few ship classes that is OP enough to give a lower SP player *who is not rich* enough advantage that he stands a fair chance solo against those who have high SP and billions of isk to throw at their traps. While I do realize that insta-locking svipuls have boosted gate camps/blobs... It is a *much smaller* buff there than to the solo players roaming around in them. So removing them would be a step *backwards* for *Solo* PvP.
Not really. Frigate solo PvP had a good thing going until T3Ds swooped in and wrecked the balance of that entire ship class. They're destroyers that don't act like destroyers. Now frigate solo PvP is garbage. |
Dirty Forum Alt
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Posted - 2016.08.26 13:55:15 -
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Valacus wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Valacus wrote:Delete T3Ds from the game. That'd go a long ways. Not really. If anything it would be a step backwards. T3D's are one of the few ship classes that is OP enough to give a lower SP player *who is not rich* enough advantage that he stands a fair chance solo against those who have high SP and billions of isk to throw at their traps. While I do realize that insta-locking svipuls have boosted gate camps/blobs... It is a *much smaller* buff there than to the solo players roaming around in them. So removing them would be a step *backwards* for *Solo* PvP. Not really. Frigate solo PvP had a good thing going until T3Ds swooped in and wrecked the balance of that entire ship class. They're destroyers that don't act like destroyers. Now frigate solo PvP is garbage. So you don't think that snaked/boosted garmurs upset the balance? Or Brick/Neut/Boosted Astero's? Or the buffs to other pirate frigates? (Worm, Succubus, etc)
Solo Frigate PvP still attempts to take place in the novice sites - and last I heard T3Ds were even banished from small sites... But it remains broken.
There are more/bigger issues than just T3Ds.
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
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Posted - 2016.08.26 14:06:02 -
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I came to Eve from a game in which i was a very good solo pvper. I learned very quickly that Eve sucks for true solo. I would impressed if we could could just get more people to leave high sec. I really dont understand why people start playing a pvp game and then want to try to hide from pvp. That is kind of silly.
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Andrea Cemenotar
Elena Minasse Operations
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Posted - 2016.08.26 15:06:53 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Valacus wrote:Not really. Frigate solo PvP had a good thing going until T3Ds swooped in and wrecked the balance of that entire ship class. They're destroyers that don't act like destroyers. Now frigate solo PvP is garbage. So you don't think that snaked/boosted garmurs upset the balance? Or Brick/Neut/Boosted Astero's? Or the buffs to other pirate frigates? (Worm, Succubus, etc) Solo Frigate PvP still attempts to take place in the novice sites - and last I heard T3Ds were even banished from small sites... But it remains broken. There are more/bigger issues than just T3Ds.
welp as for my opinion, and at least one other person - the T3D got nerfed out of FW [what else in lowsec uses gated sites? if anything then from this as well] bu locking it into same tier as T2 cruisers
and I have heard already quite a few times, that if I want to run FW I should get myself worm, because people does not even engage it.
as for deleting T3D from a game?
welp yeah sure just lemme keep my jackdaw :P [don't worry I ain't ruining yer precious lowsec balance with it yet, I'm just having some fun flying high sec space exploration in it :P] |
Valacus
Streets of Fire
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Posted - 2016.08.26 15:54:16 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Valacus wrote:Not really. Frigate solo PvP had a good thing going until T3Ds swooped in and wrecked the balance of that entire ship class. They're destroyers that don't act like destroyers. Now frigate solo PvP is garbage. So you don't think that snaked/boosted garmurs upset the balance? Or Brick/Neut/Boosted Astero's? Or the buffs to other pirate frigates? (Worm, Succubus, etc) Solo Frigate PvP still attempts to take place in the novice sites - and last I heard T3Ds were even banished from small sites... But it remains broken. There are more/bigger issues than just T3Ds.
Ah yes, the good ol' "IT WAS ALREADY BROKEN SO WHAT HARM CAN BREAKING IT MORE POSSIBLY DO?!" argument.
Yes, there were some obvious issues in frigate solo PvP that had yet to be rectified, but adding T3Ds to the mix did nothing on that front but make things worse. Frigate solo PvP was better without T3Ds, even with all of its flaws. Instead of correcting those flaws, CCP elected to just butcher the concept entirely. |
Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.08.26 16:07:32 -
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If you people acted intelligently you'd make a thread calling out all solo PvPers ... ... sat down together ... ... and thought about your options and how to improve the situation.
Sheesh, where are the thinking adults??
And no, I don't mean another worthless crapfest like this one. No one cares about these irrelevant opinions. They change nothing!
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
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Dirty Forum Alt
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Posted - 2016.08.26 16:10:43 -
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Valacus wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Valacus wrote:Not really. Frigate solo PvP had a good thing going until T3Ds swooped in and wrecked the balance of that entire ship class. They're destroyers that don't act like destroyers. Now frigate solo PvP is garbage. So you don't think that snaked/boosted garmurs upset the balance? Or Brick/Neut/Boosted Astero's? Or the buffs to other pirate frigates? (Worm, Succubus, etc) Solo Frigate PvP still attempts to take place in the novice sites - and last I heard T3Ds were even banished from small sites... But it remains broken. There are more/bigger issues than just T3Ds. Ah yes, the good ol' "IT WAS ALREADY BROKEN SO WHAT HARM CAN BREAKING IT MORE POSSIBLY DO?!" argument. Yes, there were some obvious issues in frigate solo PvP that had yet to be rectified, but adding T3Ds to the mix did nothing on that front but make things worse. Frigate solo PvP was better without T3Ds, even with all of its flaws. Instead of correcting those flaws, CCP elected to just butcher the concept entirely. You'll get no argument from me about the fact that CCP butchered solo PvP.
None at all.
See my rant in another thread
But undoing the least-harmful change to solo PvP? Not going to magically fix things.
Deal with it.
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Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Posted - 2016.08.26 16:13:49 -
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Solecist Project wrote:If you people acted intelligently you'd make a thread calling out all solo PvPers ... ... sat down together ... ... and thought about your options and how to improve the situation.
Sheesh, where are the thinking adults??
And no, I don't mean another worthless crapfest like this one. No one cares about these irrelevant opinions. They change nothing! Bah, they don't call us "solo" without a reason
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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