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HeXxploiT
Little Red X
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Posted - 2016.08.25 15:41:15 -
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I've been thinking for some time about ideas to tempt starving solo pvp pilots like myself into lowsec.
Along with poking you guys for some ideas you've had I wanted to run this simple one across.
What if aside from gate guns there was an actual police force that would respond to aggressors in lowsec?
Now before you get your knickers in a bind realize I'm not talking concord power but something more along the lines of level 3/4 ratts that provided bounties.
I know for myself if this were the case I would have lost 10x as many ships in lowsec because I would fly into low solo much more frequently knowing that at least I had a chance against the 5-10 pilots I'm going to face down alone.
As a solo pilot what ideas have some of you had that would tempt you into actually engaging in pvp in lowsec space?
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Elenahina
agony unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2016.08.25 16:01:48 -
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Cookies. I'd go to lowsec more if there were more cookies.
Seriously though, the people who want to go to lowsec already are. Those who do not want to be there aren't. You should be asking what would make people solo more, because that's the real issue - solo PvP is, for all intents and purposes, dead, and it has been for a while.
Why? Because friends is the force multiplier with no stacking penalty (and by friends I also mean alts). It's been that way since the first caveman bashed in his neighbor;s head with a rock, and it will be that way until the end of time.
Instead of trying to attract more people to fly solo in lowsec, you should be asking what would make them willingly forgo the support of a gang and fly solo at all. I will tell you right now, because it's fun is not a motivation. Fun is subjective and they think what they're doing is fun.
I get that there are some honest to goodness solo people out there. And I really feel bad for them - I do, because Eve is not that game anymore. It could be, but there's going to have be some kind of incentive for people to violate their natural instinct to gang up to bash the enemy, even if the enemy is alone.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
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Posted - 2016.08.25 16:05:59 -
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i don't like solo pvp *no flame*
this game is made to evolve the teamwork as further as possible.
for this reason i like small, medium gangs and large battles.
i'll leave the aswers to your questions to others.
good luck on your roams! |
Big Lynx
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Posted - 2016.08.25 16:10:48 -
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HeXxploiT wrote:
As a solo pilot what ideas have some of you had that would tempt you into actually engaging in pvp in lowsec space?
Flame away...
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oiukhp Muvila
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.08.25 16:11:07 -
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More single pilots in lowsec would simply continue to be additions to the locals KBs.
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Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.08.25 16:18:22 -
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Yes.... more police.
More governance.
More whining.
More worthless, self entitled workerbees.
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
8 Golden Rules of EVE
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Sonya Corvinus
Static-Noise
Upholders
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Posted - 2016.08.25 16:26:34 -
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I have no problem going into lowsec as it is, and don't do a lot of solo, but get rid of OGB so that a solo fight is actually solo |
Elenahina
agony unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2016.08.25 16:41:55 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:I have no problem going into lowsec as it is, and don't do a lot of solo, but get rid of OGB so that a solo fight is actually solo
That's apparently slated for sometime in November/December timeframe to coincide with the Rorqual and Orca changes. Personally, I expect to see a bunch of link alts put through the Skill extractors and then biomassed.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
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Toobo
Project Fruit House
Solyaris Chtonium
79
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Posted - 2016.08.25 16:49:42 -
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I did low-sec solo a lot before, and wouldn't hesitate to do it now although 'it's not what it used to be'.
There is absolutely nothing holding you back from doing solo PvP in low sec. If ISK loss is problem you can fly very cheap ships so it's not an excuse unless you are still in trial period or something.
What hold people back, or put them off, is the idea that they want to fly solo and have 1v1 or fights at reasonable odds but the practical experience tell them they get gang banged by 'blob'.
Once you get into your head that low sec is a place where you can get gang banged, JUST LIKE how we preach high sec bears they should get it into their head they can get ganked any time (duh?), then there is no barrier.
Just like we tell HS bears they can shoot too, you can blob too in low sec.
If you fly solo and get blobbed, you should just lol and gf and get another ship out and try not to fall for the same trap again.
If you EXPECT to fly solo and get the fights you want and dodge the blobs you don't want, you need to work on your ability/local knowledge to meet your expectations.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
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Posted - 2016.08.25 17:00:36 -
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Solutions looking for a problem thread.
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The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper: 'Hodor'.
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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
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Posted - 2016.08.25 17:05:38 -
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HeXxploiT wrote:I've been thinking for some time about ideas to tempt starving solo pvp pilots like myself into lowsec.
Along with poking you guys for some ideas you've had I wanted to run this simple one across.
What if aside from gate guns there was an actual police force that would respond to aggressors in lowsec?
Now before you get your knickers in a bind realize I'm not talking concord power but something more along the lines of level 3/4 ratts that provided bounties.
I know for myself if this were the case I would have lost 10x as many ships in lowsec because I would fly into low solo much more frequently knowing that at least I had a chance against the 5-10 pilots I'm going to face down alone.
As a solo pilot what ideas have some of you had that would tempt you into actually engaging in pvp in lowsec space?
Flame away...
There is only 1 even vaguely realistic thing that would make more solo players go to low-sec:
If people already in low-sec gave up their strangle-hold on their home systems and didn't form fleets to gate camp or roam killing targets of opportunity (aka: solo pilots)
In theory this could be voluntary - in practice I suspect it would require a great deal of sustained violence - and you would need to find a large entity (or multiple entities) to perform this violence with no interest or intention in simply moving into the vacated space and taking it for themselves afterwards....
Now if you want unrealistic solutions that involve changing game mechanics:
- Remove all current security + sec status hits. Remove gate guns. but just remove the ability to shoot anybody while on grid with a gate at all (aka: remove gate-camping forcibly)...
- Remove jump bridging from the game entirely - make everybody use the gates like everyone else
etc...
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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HeXxploiT
Little Red X
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Posted - 2016.08.25 17:07:56 -
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Toobo wrote:I did low-sec solo a lot before, and wouldn't hesitate to do it now although 'it's not what it used to be'.
There is absolutely nothing holding you back from doing solo PvP in low sec. If ISK loss is problem you can fly very cheap ships so it's not an excuse unless you are still in trial period or something.
What hold people back, or put them off, is the idea that they want to fly solo and have 1v1 or fights at reasonable odds but the practical experience tell them they get gang banged by 'blob'.
Once you get into your head that low sec is a place where you can get gang banged, JUST LIKE how we preach high sec bears they should get it into their head they can get ganked any time (duh?), then there is no barrier.
Just like we tell HS bears they can shoot too, you can blob too in low sec.
If you fly solo and get blobbed, you should just lol and gf and get another ship out and try not to fall for the same trap again.
If you EXPECT to fly solo and get the fights you want and dodge the blobs you don't want, you need to work on your ability/local knowledge to meet your expectations.
Well something you're missing is that if you're pvping in cheap ships there's not much of a reward as you don't have much to lose. I never understood the attraction of pvp when you have nothing to fear. It feels cheap.
Flying in an expensive ship is another story. There's nothing like actually risking a $50 space ship and the adrenaline that comes with this risk. However if the risk is So great then why do it at all? This is where lowsec currently stands for the solo pilot. |
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Legion
18005
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Posted - 2016.08.25 17:09:45 -
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T3 nerfed into balance. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2016.08.25 17:14:56 -
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HeXxploiTs for Bumble
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
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HeXxploiT
Little Red X
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Posted - 2016.08.25 17:15:05 -
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baltec1 wrote:T3 nerfed into balance.
Nooooooo! lol |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.08.25 17:17:35 -
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IMO CCP should never make changes with an eye towards getting more people to do something;. CCP should provide a reasonable backdrop and let players figure it out on their own (as an example, CCP DEVs themselves said it was a toss up between "sovless sov and aegis sov, I wish sovless had won).
There is no 'fix' for people ganging up on you other than the fixes people have figured out for themselves, namely: be the kind of player that knows how to fight blobs and win
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follow the standard rules for a gunfight. |
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
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Posted - 2016.08.25 17:23:04 -
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I agree blobbing is part of the game and shouldn't be removed - that is why my reasonable solution was violently blobbing them harder until they all leave 
As for "knowing how to fight solo"....sure - but most people don't know how. And even when you do know how to fight outnumber, there is only so much you can counter when every other group has supercapitals waiting to drop on the nearest rookie ship...
As for the standard rules for the gunfight: most people do follow them - that is why *most* solo players no longer bother going to low-sec.
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Toobo
Project Fruit House
Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2016.08.25 17:25:26 -
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HeXxploiT wrote:
Well something you're missing is that if you're pvping in cheap ships there's not much of a reward as you don't have much to lose. I never understood the attraction of pvp when you have nothing to fear. It feels cheap.
Flying in an expensive ship is another story. There's nothing like actually risking a $50 space ship and the adrenaline that comes with this risk. However if the risk is So great then why do it at all? This is where lowsec currently stands for the solo pilot.
I get what you are saying, but I'm not missing anything. Cheap ship example was just to illustrate that if ISK is an issue, people can get around it. Perosnally I only fly T2 or T3, and sometimes pirate faction, with at least one or two faction mods.
I'm addicted to risk & rush, I go head first with brawling solo fits (I'm not too fond of kiting). Yes I do get blobbed from time to time, but that's just how things are. You can't expect to be beating someone up in local gang land without some other thugs turning up for action.
I risk a lot on many things, and I like it when it works out. But when I risked it and lose it, I don't suggest game mechanics change.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2016.08.25 17:27:34 -
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baltec1 wrote:T3 nerfed into balance.
Still waiting for that Tengu fit, baltec.
Man we sure see a lot of tengu fleets these day, and no one using Cerbs, so it should be super easy for you to dig out a tengu fit that outranges and outmoves a cerb.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
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Posted - 2016.08.25 17:41:30 -
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Off grid boosts would have to go away. Then who knows maybe more people would come? I think there needs to be more than just FW maybe make 1 and 2/10 warpable without probing?
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.08.25 18:17:17 -
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Malcanis wrote:baltec1 wrote:T3 nerfed into balance. Still waiting for that Tengu fit, baltec. Man we sure see a lot of tengu fleets these day, and no one using Cerbs, so it should be super easy for you to dig out a tengu fit that outranges and outmoves a cerb.
Ok using the soviet Union cerb I get a tengu that wont outrange but comes out a little faster, 100 dps more, 100k more tank and is cap stable while the cerb is not. |
chopper14
Emo Rage Quit
4
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Posted - 2016.08.25 19:23:55 -
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Your Idea sounds cool but isn't going to help. Gankers will easily tank and kill you anyway they can even withstand concord long enough to do that now.
The biggest reason stopping people is experience and fairness. You enter the game skill less, 100% nerfed.
get rid of skill points and the playing field will be leveled and then you will see more fights. Right now it's Like asking a preschooler to walk to school in the ghetto at 3 am and if they happen to see the gang that stole their bike tell them to give it back or else! They would have to be completely ignorant to think that was a good plan. You want people to go to low sec then You need to enable them to go there plain and simple.
I have trained for years and can fly everything from every race and I can fly all my favorites at level 5 same for all supporting skills but I would gladly give up my seniority to see more new players stick around. |
Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
657
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Posted - 2016.08.25 19:40:03 -
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chopper14 wrote:Your Idea sounds cool but isn't going to help. Gankers will easily tank and kill you anyway they can even withstand concord long enough to do that now.
The biggest reason stopping people is experience and fairness. You enter the game skill less, 100% nerfed.
get rid of skill points and the playing field will be leveled and then you will see more fights. Right now it's Like asking a preschooler to walk to school in the ghetto at 3 am and if they happen to see the gang that stole their bike tell them to give it back or else! They would have to be completely ignorant to think that was a good plan. You want people to go to low sec then You need to enable them to go there plain and simple.
I have trained for years and can fly everything from every race and I can fly all my favorites at level 5 same for all supporting skills but I would gladly give up my seniority to see more new players stick around.
So then since we have skill-injectors, and it is profitable to farm/sell them - can we expect the new players taking advantage of this to start showing up solo in low-sec soon?
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Toobo
Project Fruit House
Solyaris Chtonium
86
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Posted - 2016.08.25 19:53:20 -
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Actually the skill injector talk gives me an idea - would be cool if we can extract SP from pod pilots while holding them pointed, some kinda hacking tool that gives you a skill injector. But then again that would kill the aurum based extractor market. I just like the grotesque idea of a helpless pilot sitting there screaming nooooooo! while his SP is being drained (to some limit). :p
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Pandora Carrollon
Dawn of a New Horizon
The Republic.
604
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Posted - 2016.08.25 20:04:20 -
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Toobo wrote:Actually the skill injector talk gives me an idea - would be cool if we can extract SP from pod pilots while holding them pointed, some kinda hacking tool that gives you a skill injector. But then again that would kill the aurum based extractor market. I just like the grotesque idea of a helpless pilot sitting there screaming nooooooo! while his SP is being drained (to some limit). :p
Forgive the pun, but that makes my head hurt...
I mean, c'mon, think about that one for a second. We're on a thread talking about how people can litterally be lords over systems to the point where a newer pilot has NO desire to go there or get utterly pwned, and you want to add SP removal into the mix?
Yeah, that's a stellar attraction to keeping new players in the game. (sarc- just in case you missed it.)
Skill Injectors are marginally unbalancing to start, debatably so, but still possible. Adding fuel to that fire will definitely make it OP.
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Solecist Project
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Posted - 2016.08.25 20:06:35 -
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It would help opening the idea of lowsec to more minds ...
... when it would create the proper wild west feeling beforehand.
Like, from tales and such.
Right how lowsec seems to be the redheaded stepchild of eve online ...
... and i know they might argue that that's a good thing.
Couldn't blame them, they seem quite happy...
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
8 Golden Rules of EVE
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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
659
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Posted - 2016.08.25 20:07:36 -
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Pandora Carrollon wrote:Toobo wrote:Actually the skill injector talk gives me an idea - would be cool if we can extract SP from pod pilots while holding them pointed, some kinda hacking tool that gives you a skill injector. But then again that would kill the aurum based extractor market. I just like the grotesque idea of a helpless pilot sitting there screaming nooooooo! while his SP is being drained (to some limit). :p Forgive the pun, but that makes my head hurt... I mean, c'mon, think about that one for a second. We're on a thread talking about how people can litterally be lords over systems to the point where a newer pilot has NO desire to go there or get utterly pwned, and you want to add SP removal into the mix? Yeah, that's a stellar attraction to keeping new players in the game. (sarc- just in case you missed it.) Skill Injectors are marginally unbalancing to start, debatably so, but still possible. Adding fuel to that fire will definitely make it OP.
To be fair, people used to lose SP just getting podded (if they were idiots) - so it isn't *that* far-fetched.
edit: As long as the process was obvious and took at least, say....2-3 minutes? I'd actually be OK with the skill-stealing mechanic.
#1 you shouldn't ever get your pod caught unless you lag or you are inside a bubble in 0.0 - and #2 it would still give the aware player plenty of time to trigger self destruct to save their SP.
However - I think the fact that you can't even lose SP by suicide-podding over and over and over again is probably an indication of how likely CCP is to implement it
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Toobo
Project Fruit House
Solyaris Chtonium
87
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Posted - 2016.08.25 20:17:29 -
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Yeah was just a wacky idea lol. But people have been asking for 'salvaging implants from corpse' for many years though, so it fits that hard spirit. But yes, you are right, this is probably off topic as I don't see this could attract people to come to low sec (to get extracted lol).
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Solecist Project
32497
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Posted - 2016.08.25 20:18:33 -
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Toobo wrote:Actually the skill injector talk gives me an idea - would be cool if we can extract SP from pod pilots while holding them pointed, some kinda hacking tool that gives you a skill injector. But then again that would kill the aurum based extractor market. I just like the grotesque idea of a helpless pilot sitting there screaming nooooooo! while his SP is being drained (to some limit). :p
Holy ****, that idea is amazing! O:
Stealing life-time, literally!
OMFG!
That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
8 Golden Rules of EVE
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chopper14
Emo Rage Quit
4
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Posted - 2016.08.25 20:21:05 -
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I know it hurts to entertain the thought of having to fight newcomers fairly but after eight years I'm starting to think it's the only way. And no injectors cost to much for the masses it just needs to be instant. It would probably be ok to keep specialization skills around but other than that it's time to man up and stop hiding behind seniority.
I don't know if you have noticed but it's not as busy around here as it used to be. |
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