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Othar en'gilliath
OMNI Technologies Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2011.12.21 19:02:00 -
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Yeah i know blah
But i've been reading every bit of info and all am seeing is 200 pound males !
So CCP Will there be female characters for dust?
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gfldex
75
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Posted - 2011.12.21 19:04:00 -
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They all wear body armor and closed helmets. So how can you tell? Merry crisis and a happy new fear! |

Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate Not Usually Killing Everyone.
235
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Posted - 2011.12.21 19:08:00 -
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Female voice when they die?
*hurk!*
Or form fitting armor? The shape even with armor could show a thinner waist, wider hips and shaped breast plate. The Drake is a Lie |

Skorpynekomimi
E.A.D Alliance Omega Vector
16
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Posted - 2011.12.21 19:11:00 -
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Boobs on the armour?
Frankly, it could be a pair of midgets in that armour, and nobody would be any the wiser. |

Atticus Fynch
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2011.12.21 19:21:00 -
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Women dont belong in combat. deal with it.
Now get back in the kitchen and fetch me a beer. |

Baneken
Hyvat Pahat ja Eric The Polaris Syndicate
26
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Posted - 2011.12.21 19:22:00 -
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Othar en'gilliath wrote:Yeah i know blah
But i've been reading every bit of info and all am seeing is 200 pound males !
So CCP Will there be female characters for dust?
Frankly for all we know dusk soldiers don't even have a gender as they are essentially modified clones bred for the battlefield. hence masculine traits should be prevalent as it makes more sense in that perspective. |

Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
339
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Posted - 2011.12.21 19:32:00 -
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Stock clones brah, read the chronicles
They may be female before they become clone soldiers but once they get mind transfered once, it's all stock clones
Posting time! Come on, grab your friends. We'll go to very distant lands. |

Othar en'gilliath
OMNI Technologies Ethereal Dawn
17
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Posted - 2011.12.21 20:57:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:Stock clones brah, read the chronicles
They may be female before they become clone soldiers but once they get mind transferred once, it's all stock clones
true but maybe thats just the first gen clones/soldier, i have read the chronicles.
maybe i want to spend more $$ for a different body eh?
we get to walk around the barge mass effect style with our face showing so there must be some sort customization.
and am sorry, females can fight too :)
i dont care if its 200 pound Amazon women ..
but yes armor could look different for females.
Baneken wrote:Othar en'gilliath wrote:Yeah i know blah
But i've been reading every bit of info and all am seeing is 200 pound males !
So CCP Will there be female characters for dust?
Frankly for all we know dusk soldiers don't even have a gender as they are essentially modified clones bred for the battlefield. hence masculine traits should be prevalent as it makes more sense in that perspective.
you do have a point
a body made for combat and only combat.......maybe there's a original clone for none combat ..id hate to lose myself
man i cant wait to read the new novel now
*Quick edit* Dust bunnies are "ITS" :O lmao! |

Logan LaMort
Black Rebel Rifter Club
1156
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Posted - 2011.12.21 21:03:00 -
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According to this two year old WIP screenshot, yes. |

Abrazzar
387
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Posted - 2011.12.21 21:13:00 -
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They are most likely genderless meat golems.
For a single purpose soldier sex organs are superfluous anyway, so no need to waste resources on developing those assets. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |

Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate Not Usually Killing Everyone.
235
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Posted - 2011.12.21 21:24:00 -
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Female attributes would be better though for stealth, more light and limber. The Drake is a Lie |

Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
7
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Posted - 2011.12.21 21:33:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:Female attributes would be better though for stealth, more light and limber.
Yay, specially wearing heavy armor and a shield generator as without them the very backlash of their weapons could kill them...
Frankly, the meat golems make more sense. Maybe they can swtich between "battle clone" and a "civilian clone", though... |

Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate Not Usually Killing Everyone.
235
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Posted - 2011.12.21 21:37:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Xercodo wrote:Female attributes would be better though for stealth, more light and limber. Yay, specially wearing heavy armor and a shield generator as without them the very backlash of their weapons could kill them...  Frankly, the meat golems make more sense. Maybe they can swtich between "battle clone" and a "civilian clone", though...
If you're stealth then why are you wearing heavy armor in the first place? Isn't that counter intuitive tot he whole "light and agile" thing?
And who said the needed to be using a big AR? Couldn't they use a light carbine or SMG with a silenced pistol as back up? The Drake is a Lie |

Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
7
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Posted - 2011.12.21 22:00:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Xercodo wrote:Female attributes would be better though for stealth, more light and limber. Yay, specially wearing heavy armor and a shield generator as without them the very backlash of their weapons could kill them...  Frankly, the meat golems make more sense. Maybe they can swtich between "battle clone" and a "civilian clone", though... If you're stealth then why are you wearing heavy armor in the first place? Isn't that counter intuitive tot he whole "light and agile" thing? And who said the needed to be using a big AR? Couldn't they use a light carbine or SMG with a silenced pistol as back up?
Read the blog about the handheld weapons... even a pistol would melt your fillings w/o a shield. 
Quote:(...)The power of these guns would tear apart a modern day battlefield. In DUST 514 the only way your mercenary can survive the power of these weapons is due to the advanced shielding and armor of the dropsuits they wear. Without them, simply firing these weapons would severely injure or even kill you!
It's not like pew-pew. It's like OMFGWHOOSH!-OMFGWHOOSH!
The only difference that could make a difference between men and women could be that women consume less oxygen due to their lower ratio of muscular mass. But physically... well, here in my corner of world firefighters must meet very strong physical requirements, and guess what? the same tests that push off 90% of the male candidates, also push off 100% of the female candidates. Female candidates are asking to be given either a lead, or to diminish the physical requirements (but that's gonna be difficult, as there are like 90 candidates for each position and the physical test is key to filtering the best). |

gfldex
75
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Posted - 2011.12.21 22:02:00 -
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Skorpynekomimi wrote:Frankly, it could be a pair of midgets in that armour, and nobody would be any the wiser.
The midget would, they have twice the brain.
Merry crisis and a happy new fear! |

Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
7
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Posted - 2011.12.21 22:07:00 -
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BTW, just read the blog on dropsuits. If i was on FPS games, I would be planing to get a used PS3 to play that game. It's EVE on the ground...  |

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
663
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Posted - 2011.12.21 22:13:00 -
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Those are not dust clones though those are mind control bodies (which may be clones as well we dont know yet)
Dust clones are all copies of the same generic human super soldier ( think storm troopers) the only real difference is that minds are downloaded into the bodies and the infromorphic presence takes charge until the body expires or is no longer needed.
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Xercodo
Xovoni Directorate Not Usually Killing Everyone.
235
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Posted - 2011.12.21 22:21:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:BTW, just read the blog on dropsuits. If i was on FPS games, I would be planing to get a used PS3 to play that game. It's EVE on the ground... 
So did I, and considering the kind of technology in those suits i don't think it'd be too bad for a female to wear a slightly scaled back version of the assault suit with high CPU and low powergrid or something with a bit of the servo tech to make it into an exoskeleton that gives the wearer more speed and agility. The Drake is a Lie |

Systematic Oppression
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.12.21 23:18:00 -
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For those of you who think women can't be soldiers and particularly ground combat soldiers, I'd like to direct you to this historical example. Miss Pavlichenko She was one of the most successful snipers in history and by extension one of history's greatest soldiers. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
23
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Posted - 2011.12.21 23:30:00 -
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Systematic Oppression wrote:For those of you who think women can't be soldiers and particularly ground combat soldiers, I'd like to direct you to this historical example. Miss Pavlichenko She was one of the most successful snipers in history and by extension one of history's greatest soldiers.
Yes snipers are known to be a lttile 'limp wristed' all that playing with there 'scope' most likely. Hardley reinforces your idea females make good front line troops. They just aren't physically strong enough to carry the immense weight of equipment and perform to the physical abilties a man can achieve..
Sorry to break the bad news to you..
I'm sure it will not divert your path of 'feminism' failing to appreciate and aknowledge the beauty and varaiance between the sexes.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Bane Loppknow
Aliastra Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2011.12.21 23:34:00 -
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Based on what one of the characters in the novels does, I'd say they probably have two "bodies"
One is their normal avatar, unique and immortal, male or female.
The other is the stock combat clone, which is male, roided the **** out, expendable, and most importantly cheap.
Chillin in station? You're in your normal body. Dropping into combat? You're in a cheap combat clone. I certainly wouldn't waste my money on fancy things like making my clone match my face when it's just going to get shot up in 5 minutes.
Edit: Also, the whole "women can't go into combat" argument is stupid, on both sides. Fact is: Male body is built with more direct-combat capability, the better to fight off predators, or delay them while the female escapes with the offspring. It's our evolved role. Women are lighter on their feet, more difficult prey to catch. Their evolved role. Both of these roles can play out effectively in combat, but they're still different roles. Like comparing a Scorpion to an Abaddon. |

Jenshae Chiroptera
273
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Posted - 2011.12.21 23:36:00 -
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OP is clearly, just a misogynist that wants to see women being shot, injured and dying; over and over again.  Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |

Systematic Oppression
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.12.22 00:06:00 -
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It's great to see all the homophobes, misogynists and bigoted evospsych assholes come right out of the woodwork in these here forums. Snipers being "limp wristed"? Do you actually read the garbage you spew before you post or are you just a bad troll that thinks misogyny is funny. Yeah, in our natural un-augmented states, women have less overall muscle mass. Given that in most combat cases people aren't massacring each other with melee weapons now or in the eve universe I scarcely see the relevance. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
574
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Posted - 2011.12.22 00:06:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Systematic Oppression wrote:For those of you who think women can't be soldiers and particularly ground combat soldiers, I'd like to direct you to this historical example. Miss Pavlichenko She was one of the most successful snipers in history and by extension one of history's greatest soldiers. Yes snipers are known to be a lttile 'limp wristed' all that playing with there 'scope' most likely. Hardley reinforces your idea females make good front line troops. They just aren't physically strong enough to carry the immense weight of equipment and perform to the physical abilties a man can achieve.. Sorry to break the bad news to you.. I'm sure it will not divert your path of 'feminism' failing to appreciate and aknowledge the beauty and varaiance between the sexes.
Women make excellent pilots as well, consistently scoring higher than their male counter parts in many area's. So perhaps you'll see a woman piloting your drop ship, covering your ass while you off load, or perhaps driving everything from a scout car to a heavy tank... which means it would probably be a bad idea to make the obvious "women driver" wise cracks until you are safely back in the lobby after a match.  Revenge should not stop at the ship!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |

ninjaholic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2011.12.22 00:08:00 -
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In combat I want a brother watching my back, not a girlfriend watching my finely cloned arse.
Support Eve's own built-in Battle-Recorder! |

Atticus Fynch
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2011.12.22 00:13:00 -
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Systematic Oppression wrote:It's great to see all the homophobes, misogynists and bigoted evospsych assholes come right out of the woodwork in these here forums.
HiYa!!! 
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
574
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Posted - 2011.12.22 00:15:00 -
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ninjaholic wrote:In combat I want a brother watching my back, not a girlfriend watching my finely cloned arse.
So... you'd rather have a guy watching your ass?
No problem, it's a valid lifestyle choice. Revenge should not stop at the ship!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |

Jenshae Chiroptera
274
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Posted - 2011.12.22 00:17:00 -
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Systematic Oppression wrote:It's great to see all the homophobes, misogynists and bigoted evospsych assholes come right out of the woodwork in these here forums. Snipers being "limp wristed"? Do you actually read the garbage you spew before you post or are you just a bad troll that thinks misogyny is funny. Yeah, in our natural un-augmented states, women have less overall muscle mass. Given that in most combat cases people aren't massacring each other with melee weapons now or in the eve universe I scarcely see the relevance.
Okay, in the same vein.
(Why does there seem to be gender war going on lately?)
Anyway ... women generally have better eye sight and a better power to weight ratio and since they store energy about their body better, that also means they can eat less - all criteria that is at the top of the list for special forces. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |

Othar en'gilliath
OMNI Technologies Ethereal Dawn
17
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Posted - 2011.12.22 00:18:00 -
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you guys are funny as hell 
but my whole point is women can fight too.
teh big and burly women * i know a few female firefighters that actually have passed training.
However the whole 200 pound "IT" not male .....those soldiers are ITS ... they are not anatomically correct. and yeah that kinda makes sense
Why wasted all the biomass to make ..."Junk parts"
just as long as i can have a *original customized clone that be cool
Id like to have a console game that just as complex as eve dammit ...and pretty.
Space barbie dammit! i want my dust barbie too!
haters gonna hate |

Mr M
Agony Unleashed
52
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Posted - 2011.12.22 00:18:00 -
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Chick soldiers in thong armour.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
274
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Posted - 2011.12.22 00:22:00 -
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Although, if they are going to grow something for land based war, why use something as slow and squishy as a human form? Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
24
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Posted - 2011.12.22 00:22:00 -
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Systematic Oppression wrote:It's great to see all the homophobes, misogynists and bigoted evospsych assholes come right out of the woodwork in these here forums. Snipers being "limp wristed"? Do you actually read the garbage you spew before you post or are you just a bad troll that thinks misogyny is funny. Yeah, in our natural un-augmented states, women have less overall muscle mass. Given that in most combat cases people aren't massacring each other with melee weapons now or in the eve universe I scarcely see the relevance.
Not melee weapons no, but taking conastant kick from an automatic weapon, while carying enough that it would make an average man weak, plus satying highly mobile is no easy physical task.
Call me what you will, the facts of biology won't comply to your anger.
Woman sacrifice much of there physical abilties to be able to achieve the miracle of childbirth, a biological entity has a 'hard cap' on what it can achieve.
Interesting as pointed out with rangers piloting comment, females of the species (while being more deadly than the male obviously ) are also diffrent intellectually. They have a more 'broad spectrum' of awarness, and could see how that would be an advantage in 'tactical' combat situation, including naval technical staff.
And finally woman are diffent emotinally as well, 'hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" (see also earlier 'woman are more deadly ... etc.') , they either love you or hate you.
Perhaps you could come up with a nice title to stereotype my attitude with.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Othar en'gilliath
OMNI Technologies Ethereal Dawn
17
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Posted - 2011.12.22 00:23:00 -
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Mr M wrote:Chick soldiers in thong armour.
:/ i never understood this thats just game company going after us weak willed men
goddammit why are they so smart!
Anyway female Commander Shepard with her armor is ohhhh so much better :)
now stay on topic my twisted eve friends |

Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club Care Factor
41
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Posted - 2011.12.22 00:24:00 -
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I don't think we'll see any kind of females on the battleground.
The so called "soldiers" will just be stock clones created purely for the purpose of getting down there, getting killed and killing. After they are used, considering we, DEMIGODS (from humans perspective) just dropped an entire army for the equivalent of our 20 minute grind... Well, I think we leave them there to rot and the mind goes back to the rightfull owner.
Those are like pvp jump clones, stripped of everything unnecessary, hair, genitals, etc.
Remember, we are their lords and masters, we throw money beyond their recognition... You remember that future of eve vid? A couple mil for a top-of-the-line tank? 50 mil will get you an entire well equipped unit of soldiers, with guns, tanks, jets, choppers, etc.
Don't expect any more from the land clones - they are just meat. The equipment MAYBE we will salvage.
You will see boobs in stations - that I assure you ^^ "Have you had your morning coffee?" -> the Coffee Lovers Brewing Club is recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=363976#post363976 |

Othar en'gilliath
OMNI Technologies Ethereal Dawn
17
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Posted - 2011.12.22 00:27:00 -
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Dr Karsun wrote:I don't think we'll see any kind of females on the battleground.
The so called "soldiers" will just be stock clones created purely for the purpose of getting down there, getting killed and killing. After they are used, considering we, DEMIGODS (from humans perspective) just dropped an entire army for the equivalent of our 20 minute grind... Well, I think we leave them there to rot and the mind goes back to the rightfull owner.
Those are like pvp jump clones, stripped of everything unnecessary, hair, genitals, etc.
Remember, we are their lords and masters, we throw money beyond their recognition... You remember that future of eve vid? A couple mil for a top-of-the-line tank? 50 mil will get you an entire well equipped unit of soldiers, with guns, tanks, jets, choppers, etc.
Don't expect any more from the land clones - they are just meat. The equipment MAYBE we will salvage.
You will see boobs in stations - that I assure you ^^
yeah well my character ....my avatar for dust wants a female name and body!! a ....none meat bag one! dammit!
my role play is nevah going to come true!!
sad panda
quick edit* what your saying make 100% sense :)
one can wish though :/ |

ninjaholic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2011.12.22 00:48:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:So... you'd rather have a guy watching your ass?
Dood, you're in Narnia if that's what you read.
Support Eve's own built-in Battle-Recorder! |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
24
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Posted - 2011.12.22 00:53:00 -
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ninjaholic wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:So... you'd rather have a guy watching your ass? Dood, you're in Narnia if that's what you read.
Well you know people read what they want to read into things don't they 
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

ninjaholic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2011.12.22 01:12:00 -
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I'm sure this isn't the only case where what he says and what he does differs. Totally agreed Prof. Alphane.
I should have my avatar put a shirt on lest he overexcite himself and watch a brother's ass.
Support Eve's own built-in Battle-Recorder! |

Youwai
Perkone Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2011.12.22 01:21:00 -
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Othar en'gilliath wrote:Yeah i know blah
But i've been reading every bit of info and all am seeing is 200 pound ITS !
So CCP Will there be female characters for dust? attention ***** detected. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
579
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Posted - 2011.12.22 01:44:00 -
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ninjaholic wrote:I'm sure this isn't the only case where what he says and what he does differs. Totally agreed Prof. Alphane.
I should have my avatar put a shirt on lest he overexcite himself and watch a brother's ass.
Me thinks you protesteth too much.
(It was a joke you homophobic twit.)  Revenge should not stop at the ship!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
356
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Posted - 2011.12.22 01:45:00 -
[41] - Quote
you mean it took 2 yrs to render using the current WIS? Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
152
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Posted - 2011.12.22 01:53:00 -
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Looking through all the comments and not even one regarding how a Female Dustie will potentially have an advantage due to their smaller avatar profile on the battlefield. Advantages however small will be used in any competitive environment.
Hell, I'd roll a one legged midget if I thought it would give me an edge in Dust514.
Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
328
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Posted - 2011.12.22 01:58:00 -
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Systematic Oppression wrote:For those of you who think women can't be soldiers and particularly ground combat soldiers, I'd like to direct you to this historical example. Miss Pavlichenko She was one of the most successful snipers in history and by extension one of history's greatest soldiers.
She took down 36 other snipers. Not bad.
Too bad she did it for a crap cause, but then the snipers she took out were also doing what they were doing for a crap cause too.
Real life is kind of like 0.0.
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Fahad AlAmir
Sundholm Aerospace
7
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Posted - 2011.12.22 02:02:00 -
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Azahni Vah'nos wrote:Looking through all the comments and not even one regarding how a Female Dustie will potentially have an advantage due to their smaller avatar profile on the battlefield. Advantages however small will be used in any competitive environment.
Hell, I'd roll a one legged midget if I thought it would give me an edge in Dust514.
Not really. Halo: Reach lets you choose to use a male or female spartan, and the vast majority of people use the male model.
With the amount of gear soldiers will be wearing in Dust, they won't even need to change the hitboxes; it'll be a cosmetic change if anything. |

Nariya Kentaya
Celestial Ascension
94
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Posted - 2011.12.22 02:29:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya
Celestial Ascension
94
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Nariya Kentaya
Celestial Ascension
94
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Nariya Kentaya
Celestial Ascension
94
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Nariya Kentaya
Celestial Ascension
94
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Laila Kumaki
Nex quod Principatus SRS.
2
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Posted - 2011.12.22 02:44:00 -
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Combat armor comes in one model: human. There is no form-fitting sexy version designed to accent a woman's figure (and I think you'd find that female soldiers don't have the kind of figure that games tend to put forward as being what a woman looks like).
I'd be all for a gender option that doesn't change a damn thing in the game, if only to give the finger to ridiculous gender caricatures in games. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
582
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Posted - 2011.12.22 02:52:00 -
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Laila Kumaki wrote:Combat armor comes in one model: human. There is no form-fitting sexy version designed to accent a woman's figure (and I think you'd find that female soldiers don't have the kind of figure that games tend to put forward as being what a woman looks like).
I'd be all for a gender option that doesn't change a damn thing in the game, if only to give the finger to ridiculous gender caricatures in games.
This would likely be the case.
In powered battle armor the difference in mere human physical strength would probably be negligible at best. Revenge should not stop at the ship!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |

Velarra
Ghost Festival Naraka.
15
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Posted - 2011.12.22 02:56:00 -
[52] - Quote
Science fiction. Space. Planets.
Samus Aran ? |

Othar en'gilliath
OMNI Technologies Ethereal Dawn
18
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Posted - 2011.12.22 04:02:00 -
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Seems all the talk that females cant fight is silly
In the EVE uni ....We can make bodies like rabbits ...they can make a female bodies that powerful :P
At lest make the *shape* and *feel* of the body to suit there said persons mental gender personality, just so the user gets the right "feeling" and says
*This body fits nice* and not wtf this body feels weird!
Just game lore ideas .....apparently in the stories they tried to convince the women to not take part in the protect cause all they use is Default bob bodies but that didn't stop them
and it won not be long till the demand a EQUAL body model for themselves :)
i would do the same thing!
I for one dont like games that FORCE me to play a preferred gender.
some games i want to play a guy some other games a girl , it all depends how i want to role-play my character.
adds to immersion
Velarra wrote:Science fiction. Space. Planets.
Samus Aran ?
^ yes but screw the WII version! i just watched the movie instead .....samus character is sooo lacking .....it upsets me |

Captain Alcatraz
Douchingtons Shadow Cartel
49
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Posted - 2011.12.22 05:48:00 -
[54] - Quote
Othar en'gilliath wrote:Yeah i know blah
But i've been reading every bit of info and all am seeing is 200 pound ITS !
So CCP Will there be female characters for dust?
Females do war? |

Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
50
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Posted - 2011.12.22 05:55:00 -
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Systematic Oppression wrote:It's great to see all the homophobes, misogynists and bigoted evospsych assholes come right out of the woodwork in these here forums. Snipers being "limp wristed"? Do you actually read the garbage you spew before you post or are you just a bad troll that thinks misogyny is funny. Yeah, in our natural un-augmented states, women have less overall muscle mass. Given that in most combat cases people aren't massacring each other with melee weapons now or in the eve universe I scarcely see the relevance.
I'm not going to say women cant fight but physical strength has everything to do with modern combat, most women would struggle to carry the huge weight of all the crap a soldier has to carry for hour after hour in all sorts of conditions, many men couldn't cope either. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
582
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Posted - 2011.12.22 06:02:00 -
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Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Systematic Oppression wrote:It's great to see all the homophobes, misogynists and bigoted evospsych assholes come right out of the woodwork in these here forums. Snipers being "limp wristed"? Do you actually read the garbage you spew before you post or are you just a bad troll that thinks misogyny is funny. Yeah, in our natural un-augmented states, women have less overall muscle mass. Given that in most combat cases people aren't massacring each other with melee weapons now or in the eve universe I scarcely see the relevance. I'm not going to say women cant fight but physical strength has everything to do with modern combat, most women would struggle to carry the huge weight of all the crap a soldier has to carry for hour after hour in all sorts of conditions, many men couldn't cope either.
Queue the powered battle armor... again... Revenge should not stop at the ship!
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Nariya Kentaya
Celestial Ascension
94
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Posted - 2011.12.22 06:11:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Jhagiti Tyran wrote:Systematic Oppression wrote:It's great to see all the homophobes, misogynists and bigoted evospsych assholes come right out of the woodwork in these here forums. Snipers being "limp wristed"? Do you actually read the garbage you spew before you post or are you just a bad troll that thinks misogyny is funny. Yeah, in our natural un-augmented states, women have less overall muscle mass. Given that in most combat cases people aren't massacring each other with melee weapons now or in the eve universe I scarcely see the relevance. I'm not going to say women cant fight but physical strength has everything to do with modern combat, most women would struggle to carry the huge weight of all the crap a soldier has to carry for hour after hour in all sorts of conditions, many men couldn't cope either. Queue the powered battle armor... again... ^^this, and as i tried posting earlier except the damn code error thing.
i said some stuff about the israeli army's troop management a friend told me about. basically all fropnt line soldiers are men, because women generally have a harder time carrying heavy loads long distances, though ALL their support roles, pilots, artillery, everything is done by the women in the military in order to free as much space on the fornt lines as possible for the male soldiers.
BUT ON A DIFFERENT NOTE, women CAN be in combat, but generally its not in the same operational since as men, throughout history women have served with distinction as marksmen and assassins because of their generally smaller and lighter frame allowing them to maneuver into positions on the battlefield a man could never fit in or reach. and as far as pilots, a woman generally does better because of their smaller frame allowing them more room to maneuver in the cockpit.
Even considering close range melee combat, men are NOT always at an advantage assuming both parties are properly trained in combat, in direct strength v strngth a man WILL win, but a woman is generally more flexible and able to maneuver around their opponent more, and their smaller limbs allowing more directed and focused attacks into vital centers on a larger opponenets body, so long as the woman is trained in the appropriate form of combat, they can be quite lethal. (this last part i know from personal experience as 7 out of the 10 top students at a martial arts school i hang around are girls, 4 of thema re my friends, and i would be scared SHITLESS to fight them, even if i had a knife.) |

Logan LaMort
Black Rebel Rifter Club
1157
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Posted - 2011.12.22 06:21:00 -
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Apollo Gabriel wrote:you mean it took 2 yrs to render using the current WIS?
That's Unreal 3 tech, from 2009.
Anyway it doesn't make sense to use generic clone bodies with no gender. First of all the genetic manipulation involved seems rather pointless... and if you screw it up you make abnormal clone bodies.
Second of all, if you're going into combat, being in a body that feels completely unnatural surely would have detrimental effects to your performance.
Generic female/male bodies on tap, yeah that makes sense and seems like a good compromise. Hell, maybe the fiction on cloning is about to get a major update from when it was established eight years a go, and now we can produce low quality, yet fairly accurate clones on the go. Maybe we have custom clones on certain drop ships and it's just a case of logistics, who knows.
At the end of the day though, once you don that combat armour you won't be able to tell which gender is underneath there, not that different gender characters has ever been a huge deal in EVE.
At least in the social environment of Dust we will have different genders, because after all that's when you see your character in third person without combat armour, kinda like WIS. |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
29
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Posted - 2011.12.22 08:19:00 -
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Don't know if powered armour really works as an explanation for me, a suit that allowed you too lift an extra 500 lbs would still be better operated by someone basically stronger.
Don't know why we are argueing the point though this is 'science fiction' we are talking about which mix of the two is prferable to you is an entirely subjective thing.
My suggestion would be clones are grown neutered, and the extra potential cell growth saved in not having to produce reproductive organs is channeled into skeletal and muscular growth. Accounting for a levelling in the playing field.
I've no objections to seeing female avatars I just believe it's a slightly diffrent ballgame IRL.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Logan LaMort
Black Rebel Rifter Club
1157
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Posted - 2011.12.22 09:05:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Don't know if powered armour really works as an explanation for me, a suit that allowed you too lift an extra 500 lbs would still be better operated by someone basically stronger.
I disagree, the whole point of a powered exoskeleton is to give you that strength, it basically makes everything you pick up light as a feather. What you really need is endurance, to be able to keep on moving over and over again.
It's definitely not science fiction. |

Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
51
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Posted - 2011.12.22 09:13:00 -
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Logan LaMort wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Don't know if powered armour really works as an explanation for me, a suit that allowed you too lift an extra 500 lbs would still be better operated by someone basically stronger. I disagree, the whole point of a powered exoskeleton is to give you that strength, it basically makes everything you pick up light as a feather. What you really need is endurance, to be able to keep on moving over and over again. It's definitely not science fiction.
Exoskeletons don't even need any strength or endurance at all, there are versions that enable paraplegics to walk upright.
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
29
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Posted - 2011.12.22 10:38:00 -
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Logan LaMort wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Don't know if powered armour really works as an explanation for me, a suit that allowed you too lift an extra 500 lbs would still be better operated by someone basically stronger. I disagree, the whole point of a powered exoskeleton is to give you that strength, it basically makes everything you pick up light as a feather. What you really need is endurance, to be able to keep on moving over and over again. It's definitely not science fiction.
I'd disagree, to my mind the exoskelton is what allows allows you to carry the 1000lbs armour plating , and the 250lb rifle, doesn't nesacarily mean it's going to feel 'light as a feather' cos if it did they'd likely bolt more bits on to maximise it's potential.
Just my thoughts on the matter.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

Systematic Oppression
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.12.22 19:30:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:
I'd disagree, to my mind the exoskelton is what allows allows you to carry the 1000lbs armour plating , and the 250lb rifle, doesn't nesacarily mean it's going to feel 'light as a feather' cos if it did they'd likely bolt more bits on to maximise it's potential.
Just my thoughts on the matter.
Yes, but you've already established yourself as an idiot and bigot earlier in this thread so you're lack of understanding in regards to anything is understandable. |

Systematic Oppression
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.12.22 19:34:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Systematic Oppression wrote:For those of you who think women can't be soldiers and particularly ground combat soldiers, I'd like to direct you to this historical example. Miss Pavlichenko She was one of the most successful snipers in history and by extension one of history's greatest soldiers. She took down 36 other snipers. Not bad. Too bad she did it for a crap cause, but then the snipers she took out were also doing what they were doing for a crap cause too. Real life is kind of like 0.0.
If you consider the early Soviet Union a "crap cause" I don't really know what to tell you. People (read: Idiots) like to say it's because of the US that we're not all speaking German right now. The truth of the matter is that if anyone saved us from the Germans it was the Soviets. ( Although, to be honest, it was really a team effort and deciding on MVP really waters down the significance of all party's contributions.) |

Fidelium Mortis
Quantum Cats Syndicate
4
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Posted - 2011.12.22 20:41:00 -
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Captain Alcatraz wrote:Othar en'gilliath wrote:Yeah i know blah
But i've been reading every bit of info and all am seeing is 200 pound ITS !
So CCP Will there be female characters for dust? Females do war?
It's called PMS. Open acts of hostility every 4-5 weeks.
With all the cloning being done in the EVE universe, it's a wonder that everyone isn't a genederless meat popsicle. ICRS - Intergalactic Certified Rocket Surgeon |

Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
31
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Posted - 2011.12.22 22:53:00 -
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Systematic Oppression wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:
I'd disagree, to my mind the exoskelton is what allows allows you to carry the 1000lbs armour plating , and the 250lb rifle, doesn't nesacarily mean it's going to feel 'light as a feather' cos if it did they'd likely bolt more bits on to maximise it's potential.
Just my thoughts on the matter.
Yes, but you've already established yourself as an idiot and bigot earlier in this thread so you're lack of understanding in regards to anything is understandable.
Perhaps you should read my posts more clearly before labeling me.
Please feel free to quotes what you feel are 'idiotic' and 'bigoted' comments perhaps I could give you some insight into there context. So far we have discussed many thing's including 'roles where woman would be more valuable the men' ' The physical and psychological diffrence between the sexes' ' Our theories on how power armor really works' (well OK I might give you that one , that is a little idiotic).
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |

fuer0n
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2011.12.22 23:48:00 -
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Leonova Klystra
Disingenuous Duality
2
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Posted - 2011.12.22 23:55:00 -
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All the pro arguments seem to want more creativeness when it comes to their character. Most con arguments on this thread are about it being unrealistic. Personally, I'm siding with the creativeness party. Realism isn't important in a universe like eve. Let's not forget that artillery, a weapon used in our current age, is used more now than railguns, a much more advanced and powerful piece of technology. Rustbuckets can defeat heavily plated beasts, despite the heavy ships having advanced weaponry (rustbuckets being minnie and heavy plates being Amarr/Gallente). There's so much more unrealistic things about this game too. Honestly, it's more realistic to have women-warriors than artillery beating railguns. |

Izziee
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2011.12.23 00:48:00 -
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Baneken wrote:Othar en'gilliath wrote:Yeah i know blah
But i've been reading every bit of info and all am seeing is 200 pound males !
So CCP Will there be female characters for dust?
Frankly for all we know dusk soldiers don't even have a gender as they are essentially modified clones bred for the battlefield. hence masculine traits should be prevalent as it makes more sense in that perspective.
I would think that if that were the case, then female traits would be better, more agile, less to hit etc. Its guns, not MMA. |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
354

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Posted - 2011.12.23 09:53:00 -
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Moved from General Discussion. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Othar en'gilliath
OMNI Technologies Ethereal Dawn
24
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Posted - 2011.12.23 18:55:00 -
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This blog It says a lot the soldiers being pro-type and basic as-well for "testing" (they all look alike as-well based on the stories on Dust514 site)
i want the darn book already :/ |

Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
40
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Posted - 2011.12.23 20:46:00 -
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I know this will sound odd, but this thread made me realize and remember I have a visual fetish for female bodybuilders <--- just girls in bikinis with huge muscles
I mean, you all talking about women killing, sniping, stealth assassinating people, arty loading , yeah, women are gorgeous and "classical" shape is bollocks. All women are gorgeous and beautiful even if you can't stand their physiques, trust me, out there, every woman has a guy (or another woman) waiting for her, and I really believe it's kinda strange to not allow females, at least in concept.
Odd about the gender choice in the game, in a future setting it's kinda meaningless and purely cosmetic
Let's see how CCP reacts. Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |

ninjaholic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2012.01.06 14:37:00 -
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@Fidelium Mortis YOU'RE a genderless meat popsicle!
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stoicfaux
637
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Posted - 2012.01.06 16:43:00 -
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No point in using a female avatar/meat clone if you can't tea bag the corpse of your enemy.
You can tell me what is and isn't true when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Barakkus
1478
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Posted - 2012.01.06 17:26:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:They just aren't physically strong enough to carry the immense weight of equipment and perform to the physical abilties a man can achieve..
Please video tape telling that to this woman. http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |

stoicfaux
637
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Posted - 2012.01.06 18:22:00 -
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Barakkus wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:They just aren't physically strong enough to carry the immense weight of equipment and perform to the physical abilties a man can achieve.. Please video tape telling that to this woman.
Bad example. Anyone with the willpower to achieve that level of body sculpting would be an officer and would have several enlisted types to carry her pursegear.
You can tell me what is and isn't true when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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