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Serendipity Lost Repo Industries 2206	Posted - 2016.09.01 16:13:48 - [61] - Quote For those not familiar with how this works..... There are only 2 actual people on here arguing both sides of the argument. You see deep immersion space fanatics get a little board sometimes, create their own personal troll threads and then argue with themselves.
Caco De'mon The Conference Elite CODE. 82	Posted - 2016.09.01 16:27:02 - [62] - Quote Serendipity Lost wrote: For those not familiar with how this works..... There are only 2 actual people on here arguing both sides of the argument. You see deep immersion space fanatics get a little board sometimes, create their own personal troll threads and then argue with themselves. Actually TBH, Serendipity is my main....there, I said it... *"See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2753	Posted - 2016.09.01 18:03:58 - [63] - Quote Khan Tzestu wrote: The time for waiting for someone else to do it for you is over. Take the fight to them, or be their you know what for the rest of your eve life. Not the regular "someone do something!". More like a "time for waiting that someone does something is over. Now someone do something!". the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Bing Bangboom DAMAG Safety Commission 504	Posted - 2016.09.01 18:09:30 - [64] - Quote If miners would just do as we tell them and follow the Code they would have many fewer issues with bumping and ganking. For FOUR years now (the New Order is 4 years old) we have consistently said the same thing. Following the Code will make you a better miner, a better player and yes, a better person. Miners who get ganked have chosen otherwise. This is the nature of free will. But choices have consequences and becoming a rapidly expanding ball of gas is the consequence of not follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct. You have to understand that all this debating, amazingly simultaneous, arguments that 1) CODE. is irrelevant and 2) CCP needs to massively change the game to stop us, is completely beside the point. We are going to do what we choose to do and all the changes that have occured, all the bannings that CCP has hit our members with and all the caterwauling that take place in the forums have ZERO impact on Code enforcement. We just keep on keepin' on and the ships explode and the miners wail and the forum alts posture. I destroyed four miners last night in an hour and a half of intermittent gameplay. It wasn't hard, it wasn't unusual for me and I've done it for four straight years. Because I believe that highsec mining ruins Eve. Argue with me all you want but I've never seen a demand of the miners that wouldn't and sadly enough, hasn't actually made the game safer, less interesting, and in my judgement, less popular. Highsec mining is literally killing Eve. There is no place for someone who will undock in an untanked ship, siddle up next to an ice block, start the lasers and then go do the laundry. Not while we are around anyway. If you disagree, GREAT! Do something about it. The fact that no one has been able to even slow us down will make your success shine all the brighter if you can figure something out. (Obligatory: YOU do something about it, not demand somebody else, like CCP, do it). People have tried in the past. Interestingly enough the list of names of people who have tried include players who later became great New Order members. Warning: close interaction with the miners is the fastest way to becoming an Agent of the New Order. If you breathe in the fumes of carebearism you might have a nasty reaction and become a witty, well spoken mass murderer. I really love these forums and have often lamented that more players don't come here to share their experiences. One thing I haven't found any lack of is threads planning, celebrating and demanding the end of CODE. They were here in 2013 and they are still popping up like mushrooms after a summer rain shower. Some of the savier vets know that talking about us IS victory for the New Order to the point of accusing us of trolling comments with fake rage against ourselves. The truth is we don't have to do anything of the sort. There will always be people who just can't believe that we can get away with doing what we do, so effectively and with so little actual resistance from the miners. They will be here next week, next month and next year with their demands for SOMEBODY to do SOMETHING. It won't happen then just like it hasn't happened before now. We will win. The result is inevitable. Highsec WILL be saved. Highsec is worth fighting for. By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com
Lady Ayeipsia Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 1172	Posted - 2016.09.01 19:16:36 - [65] - Quote There are over 1000 systems in hi sec. CODE has never patrolled them all. If you don't want to be bothered by CODE, move!
Elenahina agony unleashed Agony Empire 1115	Posted - 2016.09.01 19:50:08 - [66] - Quote Chopper Rollins wrote: I'm that guy that floats into every one of these threads and says- Get out of hisec. Simple, you can shoot anyone who looks at you funny, the rocks are better. If hisec griefers kept picking on rookies too much they'd be dealt with by some sort of game change like Fizzle sov. Please stop taking them at all seriously, if you fight them you're diving into the muddy little ditch they live in. Leave em to it and move to null. Like, in the next few weeks. Nullsec best sec. Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you. Also, iderno
Sonya Corvinus Grant Village 511	Posted - 2016.09.01 20:29:47 - [67] - Quote Elenahina wrote: Nullsec best sec. Sov null is nearly as safe as HS anymore. LS/WH is best sec
The Butthole Licker University of Caille Gallente Federation 46	Posted - 2016.09.01 20:38:17 - [68] - Quote Caco De'mon wrote: The Butthole Licker wrote: There are plenty of means to prevent getting ganked. But just because you where "dumb" enough to get ganked, does not mean the mechanics should not be in place to allow the dummy to retaliate. Retaliation needs a buff Please go on then...HOW do you suggest to retaliate? What mechanic needs a buff? Because in the past I was a ganker, and feel it is important aspect of EVE, I would undo a lot of the nerfs to ganking. That would be the first change, followed by the ones below: -5s cant dock in npc stations in high sec, but can dock in citadels in high sec at owner discretion -Tags can only be used to pay sec status up to -5, to increase sec status further you must kill rats -No criminal flag for destroying unoccupied ships floating in space This is where you cry about how this is a nerft to ganking, however these changes do not affect ganking in its current state at all.
Paranoid Loyd 9503	Posted - 2016.09.01 20:43:25 - [69] - Quote It is a considerable nerf to ganking although nothing another account can't circumvent. Ignoring that, how does this buff retaliation? "There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix Fix the Prospect!
The Butthole Licker University of Caille Gallente Federation 46	Posted - 2016.09.01 21:07:16 - [70] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: It is a considerable nerf to ganking although nothing another account can't circumvent. Ignoring that, how does this buff retaliation? Because gankers would have to rat their sec status up, likely in something other than a throw away gank ship, that ship is at risk for retaliation OR If they choose not to rat then they have to set up a citadel, the community can retaliate agaisnt citadels that harbor criminals. I mean CODE is so leet, they should have no problems defending citadels that they stage out of, and its business as usual for CODE Ganking stays the same
The Butthole Licker University of Caille Gallente Federation 46	Posted - 2016.09.01 21:08:18 - [71] - Quote ...****
Paranoid Loyd 9503	Posted - 2016.09.01 21:28:26 - [72] - Quote The Butthole Licker wrote: Because gankers would have to rat their sec status up, likely in something other than a throw away gank ship, that ship is at risk for retaliation May I point out CODE is mostly negative ten and don't care about their sec status? Ignoring that, it's as simple as having two accounts, one ratting and one ganking. As much as you'd like to believe gankers never leave highsec, if I needed to rat I wouldn't do it in highsec and assuming you do have the balls to follow me, I can cloak go afk and rat when you're not around. Considering I already have to use two or three accounts, it's not like I can't just have both have a scout and a ganker on the two different accounts and switch them as the sec status dictates. The Butthole Licker wrote: OR If they choose not to rat then they have to set up a citadel, the community can retaliate agaisnt citadels that harbor criminals. I mean CODE is so leet, they should have no problems defending citadels that they stage out of, and its business as usual for CODE Ganking stays the same You seem to think there is a necessity to dock, there isn't. It's a luxury that can easily be done without if necessary. So I ask again, how does this buff retaliation? The Butthole Licker wrote: Ganking stays the same You are quite delusional if you think this is a valid statement as your argument presents multiple changes to it. "There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix Fix the Prospect!
Chapo Muerte The Conference Elite CODE. 24	Posted - 2016.09.01 21:40:36 - [73] - Quote antiganking literally has 200+ members at any one time in their channel and roughly 5-10 players in uedama when there is a fleet up. so lets say 5% of antiganking will come and try to "anti" gank. Where as Code alliance as a whole will have 75% off alliance members and others in fleet at anyone time. If antiganking wont/cant/don't want to step up and do something other then complain on the forums nothing will ever change. just sayin
The Butthole Licker University of Caille Gallente Federation 46	Posted - 2016.09.01 21:40:51 - [74] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: The Butthole Licker wrote: Because gankers would have to rat their sec status up, likely in something other than a throw away gank ship, that ship is at risk for retaliation May I point out CODE is mostly negative ten and don't care about their sec status? Ignoring that, it's as simple as having two accounts, one ratting and one ganking. As much as you'd like to believe gankers never leave highsec, if I needed to rat I wouldn't do it in highsec and assuming you do have the balls to follow me, I can cloak go afk and rat when you're not around. Considering I already have to use two or three accounts, it's not like I can't just have both have a scout and a ganker on the two different accounts and switch them as the sec status dictates. The Butthole Licker wrote: OR If they choose not to rat then they have to set up a citadel, the community can retaliate agaisnt citadels that harbor criminals. I mean CODE is so leet, they should have no problems defending citadels that they stage out of, and its business as usual for CODE Ganking stays the same You seem to think there is a necessity to dock, there isn't. It's a luxury that can easily be done without if necessary. So I ask again, how does this buff retaliation? The Butthole Licker wrote: Ganking stays the same You are quite delusional if you think this is a valid statement as your argument presents multiple changes to it. Point being is it does not matter if you have scouts or a cloak, what matters is you are undocked in something other than a throw away gank ship, it is as simple as that. I realize it is not necessary to dock to suicide gank, what is your point?
The Butthole Licker University of Caille Gallente Federation 46	Posted - 2016.09.01 21:42:16 - [75] - Quote Chapo Muerte wrote: antiganking literally has 200+ members at any one time in their channel and roughly 5-10 players in uedama when there is a fleet up. so lets say 5% of antiganking will come and try to "anti" gank. Where as Code alliance as a whole will have 75% off alliance members and others in fleet at anyone time. If antiganking wont/cant/don't want to step up and do something other then complain on the forums nothing will ever change. just sayin Yall bring up preventive measures so oftern, nut there is another aspect to this that needs a buff. Post gank retaliation.
Paranoid Loyd 9503	Posted - 2016.09.01 21:52:59 - [76] - Quote The Butthole Licker wrote: Point being is it does not matter if you have scouts or a cloak, what matters is you are undocked in something other than a throw away gank ship, it is as simple as that. I realize it is not necessary to dock to suicide gank, what is your point? Ok, if you think having me in space cloaked is any different than being docked I have to question whether you actually play this game. My point in general is everything you are proposing does nothing to buff retaliation. The point I am trying to make about docking is your proposal to deny docking rights is nullified by the fact it is not necessary to dock to be able to gank. "There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix Fix the Prospect!
The Butthole Licker University of Caille Gallente Federation 46	Posted - 2016.09.01 21:55:39 - [77] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: The Butthole Licker wrote: Point being is it does not matter if you have scouts or a cloak, what matters is you are undocked in something other than a throw away gank ship, it is as simple as that. I realize it is not necessary to dock to suicide gank, what is your point? Ok, if you think having me in space cloaked is any different than being docked I have to question whether you actually play this game. My point in general is everything you are proposing does nothing to buff retaliation. The point I am trying to make about docking is your proposal to deny docking rights is nullified by the fact it is not necessary to dock to be able to gank. Like i said earlier, unoccupied ships floating in space should be vulnerable to attack without a criminal flag.
Sonya Corvinus Grant Village 511	Posted - 2016.09.01 22:00:19 - [78] - Quote The Butthole Licker wrote: Like i said earlier, unoccupied ships floating in space should be vulnerable to attack without a criminal flag. Normally I find the C&P forum goers annoying as it's typically just a circle jerk of HS gankers/wardeccers praising themselves, but I have to side with them on this. How would that change anything? I've never ganked and never will, but it's a valid playstyle and it's easier to avoid now than ever before. Do you even play this game, or are you trolling? I'm assuming trolling...
Paranoid Loyd 9503	Posted - 2016.09.01 22:03:16 - [79] - Quote The Butthole Licker wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: The Butthole Licker wrote: Point being is it does not matter if you have scouts or a cloak, what matters is you are undocked in something other than a throw away gank ship, it is as simple as that. I realize it is not necessary to dock to suicide gank, what is your point? Ok, if you think having me in space cloaked is any different than being docked I have to question whether you actually play this game. My point in general is everything you are proposing does nothing to buff retaliation. The point I am trying to make about docking is your proposal to deny docking rights is nullified by the fact it is not necessary to dock to be able to gank. Like i said earlier, unoccupied ships floating in space should be vulnerable to attack without a criminal flag. Yep you did say that, if you think you can probe out my 10 safe spots, guess which one I chose and then get there by the time my alt brings me a ship you are delusional. "There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix Fix the Prospect!
The Butthole Licker University of Caille Gallente Federation 46	Posted - 2016.09.01 22:06:15 - [80] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: The Butthole Licker wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: The Butthole Licker wrote: Point being is it does not matter if you have scouts or a cloak, what matters is you are undocked in something other than a throw away gank ship, it is as simple as that. I realize it is not necessary to dock to suicide gank, what is your point? Ok, if you think having me in space cloaked is any different than being docked I have to question whether you actually play this game. My point in general is everything you are proposing does nothing to buff retaliation. The point I am trying to make about docking is your proposal to deny docking rights is nullified by the fact it is not necessary to dock to be able to gank. Like i said earlier, unoccupied ships floating in space should be vulnerable to attack without a criminal flag. Yep you did say that, if you think you can probe out my 10 safe spots, guess which one I chose and then get there by the time my alt brings me a ship you are delusional. If I'm delusional than why are you so against the change? If it makes no difference than why not?
Paranoid Loyd 9503	Posted - 2016.09.01 22:09:19 - [81] - Quote I'm against the change because your reasoning is highly flawed and does not accomplish anything you claim it will. "There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix Fix the Prospect!
Caco De'mon The Conference Elite CODE. 86	Posted - 2016.09.01 22:10:44 - [82] - Quote The Butthole Licker wrote: Caco De'mon wrote: The Butthole Licker wrote: There are plenty of means to prevent getting ganked. But just because you where "dumb" enough to get ganked, does not mean the mechanics should not be in place to allow the dummy to retaliate. Retaliation needs a buff Please go on then...HOW do you suggest to retaliate? What mechanic needs a buff? Because in the past I was a ganker, and feel it is important aspect of EVE, I would undo a lot of the nerfs to ganking. That would be the first change, followed by the ones below: -5s cant dock in npc stations in high sec, but can dock in citadels in high sec at owner discretion -Tags can only be used to pay sec status up to -5, to increase sec status further you must kill rats -No criminal flag for destroying unoccupied ships floating in space This is where you cry about how this is a nerft to ganking, however these changes do not affect ganking in its current state at all. - not being allowed to dock in HS would do nothing...we'd just spend more time in warp-limbo while the scout found a target. - Tags only would effect your first point, maybe, and that point isn't practical anyways - irrelevant Nothing you suggested would make it any easier to "retaliate" against gankers. It would make our lives more inconvenient yes but that's about it. *"See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."
The Butthole Licker University of Caille Gallente Federation 46	Posted - 2016.09.01 22:18:52 - [83] - Quote Caco De'mon wrote: The Butthole Licker wrote: Caco De'mon wrote: The Butthole Licker wrote: There are plenty of means to prevent getting ganked. But just because you where "dumb" enough to get ganked, does not mean the mechanics should not be in place to allow the dummy to retaliate. Retaliation needs a buff Please go on then...HOW do you suggest to retaliate? What mechanic needs a buff? Because in the past I was a ganker, and feel it is important aspect of EVE, I would undo a lot of the nerfs to ganking. That would be the first change, followed by the ones below: -5s cant dock in npc stations in high sec, but can dock in citadels in high sec at owner discretion -Tags can only be used to pay sec status up to -5, to increase sec status further you must kill rats -No criminal flag for destroying unoccupied ships floating in space This is where you cry about how this is a nerft to ganking, however these changes do not affect ganking in its current state at all. - not being allowed to dock in HS would do nothing...we'd just spend more time in warp-limbo while the scout found a target. - Tags only would effect your first point, maybe, and that point isn't practical anyways - irrelevant Nothing you suggested would make it any easier to "retaliate" against gankers. It would make our lives more inconvenient yes but that's about it. Either the player base could go after your ratting ships or go after your citadels. You say these changes would only make things more inconvenient, but you and I both know that these changes would boost retaliation. If you were not concerned, your attitude would be to bring on the changes, but that is not your attitude is it? It really doesn't matter though, CCP will continue to nerf ganking just like they have for years unfortunately. Versus boosting the retaliation aspect of the game which would create more content, and balance things out. To be honest, I benefit from CODE, however, I doubt the EVE player base does. I'm more concerned about the player base.
Caco De'mon The Conference Elite CODE. 86	Posted - 2016.09.01 22:45:32 - [84] - Quote The Butthole Licker wrote: Either the player base could go after your ratting ships or go after your citadels. You say these changes would only make things more inconvenient, but you and I both know that these changes would boost retaliation. If you were not concerned, your attitude would be to bring on the changes, but that is not your attitude is it? But we don't care about being -10 so why rat? There would be zero increase in "retaliation" as we'd just dock in NPC stations in LS. BTW, if the miners are too lazy/terrified to attack us in HS then do you REALLY think they come to LS to get us? LOL....keep dreaming... I do want changes just to the pointless ones you are promoting... *"See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."
Caco De'mon The Conference Elite CODE. 86	Posted - 2016.09.01 23:14:27 - [85] - Quote The Butthole Licker wrote: ... BTW, the only true-way to make it harder for all criminals is to make a bounty system that actually works. For your retaliation based buff, the risk-reward equation needs to be fixed as there is very little reward for coming after me (for example) even with a 6 figure bounty. Change that and you change the whole 'cops and robbers' aspect of the game and THAT would be a good thing...bounty hunters would actually be a thing... *"See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."
The Butthole Licker University of Caille Gallente Federation 46	Posted - 2016.09.01 23:27:06 - [86] - Quote Caco De'mon wrote: The Butthole Licker wrote: Either the player base could go after your ratting ships or go after your citadels. You say these changes would only make things more inconvenient, but you and I both know that these changes would boost retaliation. If you were not concerned, your attitude would be to bring on the changes, but that is not your attitude is it? But we don't care about being -10 so why rat? There would be zero increase in "retaliation" as we'd just dock in NPC stations in LS. BTW, if the miners are too lazy/terrified to attack us in HS then do you REALLY think they come to LS to get us? LOL....keep dreaming... I do want changes just to the pointless ones you are promoting... You guys staging out of low sec would be fine too. At least there would be choke points to catch you guys at. Ideally faction police would be completely removed as well so yall could hang out on grid.
Caco De'mon The Conference Elite CODE. 87	Posted - 2016.09.01 23:52:23 - [87] - Quote The Butthole Licker wrote: You guys staging out of low sec would be fine too. At least there would be choke points to catch you guys at. Ideally faction police would be completely removed as well so yall could hang out on grid. Remember, "you guys" isn't just CODE but all "criminals"....you can't separate one from the other.... Also, no to the choke points idea. In my area of patrol, there are about 8 systems I could use to enter HS and you would need to watch each one of those....again, totally not cost effective and in the end, you just become gate campers... *"See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2754	Posted - 2016.09.01 23:53:07 - [88] - Quote The Butthole Licker wrote: Because gankers would have to rat their sec status up, likely in something other than a throw away gank ship, that ship is at risk for retaliation It is perfectly possible to rat in Lowsec with a ship which has even lower value than your regular 10mil ISK "throw away" gank catalyst. Also insured and I heavily doubt some carebear or anti-ganker will follow us into lowsec where they don't have NPC support to kill us. The Butthole Licker wrote: OR If they choose not to rat then they have to set up a citadel, the community can retaliate agaisnt citadels that harbor criminals. I mean CODE is so leet, they should have no problems defending citadels that they stage out of, and its business as usual for CODE Even if you somehow manage to get a fleet together or throw all your money at a merc. They get cheaper every day, and if I am not mistaken you need a full week to remove one of those. Another one will probably be up before the first one is removed and you will be back here crying about "throw away" citadels. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Sonya Corvinus Grant Village 511	Posted - 2016.09.02 00:09:48 - [89] - Quote Everyone from CODE in this thread, stop feeding the troll. You of all people should know this.
Paranoid Loyd 9504	Posted - 2016.09.02 00:32:47 - [90] - Quote Sonya Corvinus wrote: Everyone from CODE in this thread, stop feeding the troll. You of all people should know this. The problem is, people who do not know he is trolling will take the things that he says and try to use them. It needs to be replied to so it is obvious he is trolling/doesn't know wtf he is talking about. Once I feel this has been completed (at least to anyone trying to be objective) I stop replying. "There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix Fix the Prospect!

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