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nync UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 21:23:00 - [1] Every poins of SMASH official annaouncement answered by MACTEP: a) Emperor. b) Mactep. a)"SMASH was invited by RED" B) Smash was not invited by RA...and RA never asked Smash to fight vs LV. Smash were working with GS, so we just have to nap with each other. a)" SMASH accepted the offer and were offered the system of 77s and full rights to the 10/10 plex in that system." B) RA never made such offers and would never accepted it. same way you can tell that someone offered you C-J6 and we agreed... a)2 days after this, RED alliance announces they want to buy a mothership from 1 of the pilots in SMASH who is a known empire pirate and scammer b) RA NEVER asked Smash to buy anything from them. Smash pilot scammed our friend\ally. And according to our information Peoke was directly involved in this scam. "And after Peoke informed RA that: '' Smash w'll reset standings towards our friends and towards RA. " nync HAD to reset standings towards Smash. a)TDE4-H, our home system. The raids increased untill within the last week we have had 4-5 diffrent raids a day, each raid containing an average of 10 RED pilots. b) At this time we had a week period for members to get rest from pos worfare and some pilots decided to visit Smash for some pvp fun... Decision to put tower in TDE and flash some dreads in local was made to divert attention and convince BOB that RA cap fleet is in geminate. a)RED's response to our trying to avoid them and let them fight BOB was to send raiding partys into geminate into TDE4-H B) check RA killboard and you'll see at least 9 BoB dreads and what real RA forces do... not small gangs... p.s. before talk about RA RA RA , you must imagine whats RA is? if you dont know anything about RA just shut up......Smash was not RA enemy...Was no friend........we just napped you guys... RA was ready to share plex for all allies...including Smash... RA did not asked Smash to do anything! RA did not promised Smash anything! RA dont post too much on eve-off.... And we dont like to explain everything for everybody....anyway wise people understood everything by own......stupid won't understand anything anyway... being stupid - is not curable... If Smash leadership prefers negotiations with everybody (include our allies and simple RA PvP pilots) except RA leadership , then cry on forums and flame RA ...So its your choice. Not our. So please stop posting Bullsit. - MACTEP RA FC. RA LEADER. - nync RA Diplomat. noob in training
Exortius Amarrus The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.16 21:26:00 - [2] Edited by: Exortius Amarrus on 16/03/2007 21:22:36 1st? edit: woot. ------------------------
Shinjuro Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.03.16 21:27:00 - [3] Lub RA
Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.03.16 21:31:00 - [4] Having dealt with RA, I've found them to be straightforward and honest. Having dealt with Smash, I've found them to be a bunch of posturing fools who run to the forums the first chance they get. Nyncs post would seem to put Smash in their place, but let's see how Smash reply. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Serkis Caldari The Funkalistic SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 21:35:00 - [5] Megalomania?
Engad Tanon Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.03.16 21:36:00 - [6] just kill each other
Major Stormer Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.03.16 21:37:00 - [7] Oh comon RA everyone knows you will do anything to screw anyone out of a complex, even allies. Originally by: Graalum Thats a caldari juggernaut torpedo fired by an ibis.
Icabelle The Funkalistic SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 21:45:00 - [8] Silly me, I mistook the frequent raids and putting a tower in our home system as an act of aggression when it was, according to you, an act of diversion.
Aries Acheron The Valour United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2007.03.16 21:46:00 - [9] Edited by: Aries Acheron on 16/03/2007 21:47:35 Isn't this a little late? It's been more than a week now, you know. That really hurts any credibility. You of course, didn't mention the offensive action of a POS dropped into SMASH's system either. Diversionary? That's insanely silly. ~~~ Action! Suspense! Jita! Eve Tribune
Izzy Pol Fear and Loathing in LoneTrek	Posted - 2007.03.16 21:47:00 - [10] You are a diplomat? That post conjured up images of knuckles dragging on the floor, not of diplomacy.
Zell Caldari The Black Raptors	Posted - 2007.03.16 21:53:00 - [11] "# Logging off inside a warp disrupt bubble (mobile warp disrupt or interdictor bubble) no longer triggers an emergency warp. " Bets it gonna really suck to be RA now..... A coward dies a thousand times, the brave die just once..
Peoke Caldari Rome SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 21:54:00 - [12] so putting up a tower in a neutrals home system, means that just because your red alliance your allowed to do it. and should i even bother posting logs persay where your own mouth proves otherwise seeing as we dont know much.
IcedBach Jr Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.16 21:55:00 - [13] why am I remembering my old friend OrcA right now Praeludium to success http://www.rampage-eternal.net/sigs/type2/IcedBach%20jr.png Now that's a long one. Though, I'm afraid the limit is indeed 400 pixels wide. -ReverendM
Ben Hump Minmatar The Kru	Posted - 2007.03.16 21:55:00 - [14] u sir fail at eve May contain traces of irony, period and enter do not belong on my keyboard "Yes Mister Tristan"
Zubenelgenubi Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.16 21:57:00 - [15] Quote: why am I remembering my old friend OrcA right now No idea. No idea.. Orc was the best diplo ever :P Sig removed. Please keep sigs to 400x120 pixels and 24000 bytes in size or less. -Kaemonn ([email protected])
Zubenelgenubi Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.16 21:57:00 - [16] Quote: why am I remembering my old friend OrcA right now No idea. No idea.. Orc was the best diplo ever :P Sig removed. Please keep sigs to 400x120 pixels and 24000 bytes in size or less. -Kaemonn ([email protected])
Kam SingDu'k Singularity. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:03:00 - [17] so you guys were prepared to share the plex with smash but they refused???? strange.
Kam SingDu'k Singularity. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:03:00 - [18] so you guys were prepared to share the plex with smash but they refused???? strange.
ElCholo Minmatar FarCry Inc Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:05:00 - [19] Originally by: Aries Acheron Edited by: Aries Acheron on 16/03/2007 21:47:35 Isn't this a little late? It's been more than a week now, you know. That really hurts any credibility. You of course, didn't mention the offensive action of a POS dropped into SMASH's system either. Diversionary? That's insanely silly. Enough of a diversion to net 9 dead bob dreads
ElCholo Minmatar FarCry Inc Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:05:00 - [20] Originally by: Aries Acheron Edited by: Aries Acheron on 16/03/2007 21:47:35 Isn't this a little late? It's been more than a week now, you know. That really hurts any credibility. You of course, didn't mention the offensive action of a POS dropped into SMASH's system either. Diversionary? That's insanely silly. Enough of a diversion to net 9 dead bob dreads
Blue Stratos Amarr BOOM - Gotcha	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:06:00 - [21] God RA u reach a new low Smash may be alot of things, liars they are not You are well know for hugging any 10/10 complex you come across and selling the ISK, hell, it's well known for russian ISK sellers on EBAY Second, you have a reputation for screwing anyone u don't like or decide u dont want to share with. You mite come on here and try and be big but face facts Without Goons n co, your nothing
Blue Stratos Amarr BOOM - Gotcha	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:06:00 - [22] God RA u reach a new low Smash may be alot of things, liars they are not You are well know for hugging any 10/10 complex you come across and selling the ISK, hell, it's well known for russian ISK sellers on EBAY Second, you have a reputation for screwing anyone u don't like or decide u dont want to share with. You mite come on here and try and be big but face facts Without Goons n co, your nothing
It WasntMe Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:07:00 - [23] Originally by: ElCholo Originally by: Aries Acheron Edited by: Aries Acheron on 16/03/2007 21:47:35 Isn't this a little late? It's been more than a week now, you know. That really hurts any credibility. You of course, didn't mention the offensive action of a POS dropped into SMASH's system either. Diversionary? That's insanely silly. Enough of a diversion to net 9 dead bob dreads question is, was it thx to the diversion or would it have hapend anyway o.0
Ima Loosah	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:07:00 - [24] I wanted to be RA, but when they saw that I was honest and did not like...shall we say, a certian strong drink distilled from potatos (X-X) and that I didnt use a modem to connect to the internet, they declined. We had a trial run together, invading Bob, and Bob retaliated-then the RA guys hid their heads, and Logoffski'd. My sole question is: What will RA DO when the patch wont let them escape via logoffski from a bubble anymore? I think the answer is... show up in more killboards. As victims.
It WasntMe Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:07:00 - [25] Originally by: ElCholo Originally by: Aries Acheron Edited by: Aries Acheron on 16/03/2007 21:47:35 Isn't this a little late? It's been more than a week now, you know. That really hurts any credibility. You of course, didn't mention the offensive action of a POS dropped into SMASH's system either. Diversionary? That's insanely silly. Enough of a diversion to net 9 dead bob dreads question is, was it thx to the diversion or would it have hapend anyway o.0
Ima Loosah	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:07:00 - [26] snip Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. - Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:12:00 - [27] First page! ...
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:12:00 - [28] Edited by: Razin on 16/03/2007 22:23:38 First page! Originally by: nync RA dont post too much on eve-off.... And we dont like to explain everything for everybody....anyway wise people understood everything by own......stupid won't understand anything anyway... being stupid - is not curable... First page already proving this point. Rather than apply objective reasoning people of very certain heritage will knee-jerk with zoological fervor when faced with conflicting stories involving an old time rival. Hundreds of years of history are not easily overcome. Go RA! ...
Helganstandt BloodBath 'N Beyond The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:18:00 - [29] Originally by: It WasntMe Originally by: ElCholo Originally by: Aries Acheron Edited by: Aries Acheron on 16/03/2007 21:47:35 Isn't this a little late? It's been more than a week now, you know. That really hurts any credibility. You of course, didn't mention the offensive action of a POS dropped into SMASH's system either. Diversionary? That's insanely silly. Enough of a diversion to net 9 dead bob dreads question is, was it thx to the diversion or would it have hapend anyway o.0 Knowing how intricate BoB's spy network is, along with their intelligence network, I think that's entirely plausible. When else has BoB lost that many caps before? Never.
Helganstandt BloodBath 'N Beyond The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:18:00 - [30] Originally by: It WasntMe Originally by: ElCholo Originally by: Aries Acheron Edited by: Aries Acheron on 16/03/2007 21:47:35 Isn't this a little late? It's been more than a week now, you know. That really hurts any credibility. You of course, didn't mention the offensive action of a POS dropped into SMASH's system either. Diversionary? That's insanely silly. Enough of a diversion to net 9 dead bob dreads question is, was it thx to the diversion or would it have hapend anyway o.0 Knowing how intricate BoB's spy network is, along with their intelligence network, I think that's entirely plausible. When else has BoB lost that many caps before? Never.
nync UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:26:00 - [31] Originally by: Aries Acheron Edited by: Aries Acheron on 16/03/2007 21:47:35 Isn't this a little late? It's been more than a week now, you know. That really hurts any credibility. You of course, didn't mention the offensive action of a POS dropped into SMASH's system either. Diversionary? That's insanely silly. It is late, I was busy enforsing diplomacy on 9 BOB dreads and MC shipyard. But we say '' better late, then never''. noob in training
Peoke Caldari Rome SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:28:00 - [32] im sure the first 9 bob dreads killed in over 2+ years of thier existence hurts them soooooo much
Marko Zhang Destructive Flatulence	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:29:00 - [33] posting in an official RA thread \o/ <3 RA
Pastora Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:31:00 - [34] Originally by: Peoke im sure the first 9 bob dreads killed in over 2+ years of thier existence hurts them soooooo much I'm sure it hurts them much better, than posting crap on forums, and going around and killing innocent citizens, instead of fighting BoB and their allies. _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants.
The Jok3r Hookers From Mars	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:31:00 - [35] Originally by: nync If Smash leadership prefers negotiations with everybody (include our allies and simple RA PvP pilots) except RA leadership This explains allot about the relationship you have with goons TY I might have told you more than I know... "Dont speak english... Ctrl Q Ctrl Q "
zykerx Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:32:00 - [36] Originally by: nync Originally by: Aries Acheron Edited by: Aries Acheron on 16/03/2007 21:47:35 Isn't this a little late? It's been more than a week now, you know. That really hurts any credibility. You of course, didn't mention the offensive action of a POS dropped into SMASH's system either. Diversionary? That's insanely silly. It is late, I was busy enforsing diplomacy on 9 BOB dreads and MC shipyard. But we say '' better late, then never''. yeah that was nicely done . "MY COMMENTS IN NO WAY REFLECT MY CORP OR ALLIANCE"
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:33:00 - [37] It's not too late to drop this nonsense and get back to the task at hand.. - WeComeInPeace Video
Peoke Caldari Rome SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:33:00 - [38] yah last time we left we had towers and cap ships in our home. and after we removed em they decide to say it was a diversion.
Xeliya Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:37:00 - [39] How was it a diversion when BoB was already attacking C3- . . .
zykerx Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:38:00 - [40] Originally by: Kyguard It's not too late to drop this nonsense and get back to the task at hand.. its almost never tolate, it yust depends on how stubern all the party's are . "MY COMMENTS IN NO WAY REFLECT MY CORP OR ALLIANCE"
Kirex Gallente Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:43:00 - [41] Quote: RA was ready to share plex for all allies Including the plexs in other peoples space? smash/goon firepower secured 77s, goon gave us the system. Then you guys came in, tell us we can only run the plex 1 week of the month, then you let us run 2 weeks, then you tell us you promised the complex to someone else? Come on...you guys didn't want to share. Click above for my killboard stats.
MACTEP Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:46:00 - [42] Originally by: Peoke yah last time we left we had towers and cap ships in our home. and after we removed em they decide to say it was a diversion. M8 when you ll see 40 RA dreads hiting poses in you home and 30+ L towers - ITS RA INVASION..........when you see 2-4 RA capitals and medium 1 tower its RA joke.....one corp came for fun for a week...
Murukan Minmatar Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:49:00 - [43] Originally by: Peoke yah last time we left we had towers and cap ships in our home. and after we removed em they decide to say it was a diversion. smack RA that's a good plan. Really you should just beg them to send their capital fleet to your home. You guys are a clownshoe alliance that finally after getting kicked around the galaxy got a home by taking on Ratel, lol ratel, tough guys there. Manlove by Zaphod Jones
The Beatnuts Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:49:00 - [44] Originally by: MACTEP Originally by: Peoke yah last time we left we had towers and cap ships in our home. and after we removed em they decide to say it was a diversion. M8 when you ll see 40 RA dreads hiting poses in you home and 30+ L towers - ITS RA INVASION..........when you see 2-4 RA capitals and medium 1 tower its RA joke.....one corp came for fun for a week... Common MACTEP, they felt cool for a sec... "OMG SOMEONE CARES ABOUT US!!!111" I love Nync for his unmodified and incredible for he is a person on who you can trust. I love MACTEP for the exact same reasons. So overall, it's a nice announcement :) ♥ joo.
TheArchJudge Gallente Delta team Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:51:00 - [45] Sorry nync, but i don't buy it. You say it was all a diversion, do you realy think BoB siege'ed that pos because they had knowledge of your cap fleet being in Germinate or because C3- had 30-some hostiles with most of them docked? The trap was a slap in the face for BoB and you've been congratulated, but don't try to hide your greed and diplomatic mess behind some dread killmails. But then again what do i know. (Just my personal opinion)
Tumbles Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:52:00 - [46] I think this is the point where we need to see RA and SMASH/RK hug and make up....there are bigger fish to fry! I for one am trying to keep the skillet nice and hot!
Aturayd Rome SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:53:00 - [47] it was nice for you to let us know about your 'diversion' before actually doing it. It really shows how smash was the stickler the whole time and RA was nonchalant about allies using the complex, but smash said screw you! ----------------------------------- about:blank
The Beatnuts Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:54:00 - [48] Originally by: TheArchJudge Sorry nync, but i don't buy it. You say it was all a diversion, do you realy think BoB siege'ed that pos because they had knowledge of your cap fleet being in Germinate or because C3- had 30-some hostiles with most of them docked? The trap was a slap in the face for BoB and you've been congratulated, but don't try to hide your greed and diplomatic mess behind some dread killmails. But then again what do i know. (Just my personal opinion) Where the heck did you come from? Is LV involved in this?
TheArchJudge Gallente Delta team Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:56:00 - [49] Originally by: The Beatnuts Originally by: TheArchJudge Sorry nync, but i don't buy it. You say it was all a diversion, do you realy think BoB siege'ed that pos because they had knowledge of your cap fleet being in Germinate or because C3- had 30-some hostiles with most of them docked? The trap was a slap in the face for BoB and you've been congratulated, but don't try to hide your greed and diplomatic mess behind some dread killmails. But then again what do i know. (Just my personal opinion) Where the heck did you come from? Is LV involved in this? Can't handle a personal opinion? Your smack is so blind.
Serkis Caldari The Funkalistic SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:56:00 - [50] Originally by: Kyguard It's not too late to drop this nonsense and get back to the task at hand.. Hey there old guy, hows it hanging? And what task was it that we have at hand again?
The Beatnuts Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.16 22:57:00 - [51] Originally by: TheArchJudge Originally by: The Beatnuts Originally by: TheArchJudge Sorry nync, but i don't buy it. You say it was all a diversion, do you realy think BoB siege'ed that pos because they had knowledge of your cap fleet being in Germinate or because C3- had 30-some hostiles with most of them docked? The trap was a slap in the face for BoB and you've been congratulated, but don't try to hide your greed and diplomatic mess behind some dread killmails. But then again what do i know. (Just my personal opinion) Where the heck did you come from? Is LV involved in this? Can't handle a personal opinion? Your smack is so blind. no, I just lost 1b to nync when he said on the two first pages we'll have a LV whining. so damn you.
zykerx Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.16 23:00:00 - [52] quote a)2 days after this, RED alliance announces they want to buy a mothership from 1 of the pilots in SMASH who is a known empire pirate and scammer b) RA NEVER asked Smash to buy anything from them. Smash pilot scammed our friend\ally. And according to our information Peoke was directly involved in this scam. end quote so your saying the ra guy sended 10 bil to peoke and peoke sayed thx and cu . "MY COMMENTS IN NO WAY REFLECT MY CORP OR ALLIANCE"
Cyrilmak Gallente Asa Dynasty	Posted - 2007.03.16 23:00:00 - [53] I dislike disagreeing with you ^^ but from a neutral seeing things unfold from the sidelines, the actions of Red seem quite logical. Smash does something that confuses and infuriates Red, Red responds the way Red does. I dunno. It just seems logical. I like both alliances by the way, so I'm not taking sides. I just think this picture emotes the way Red alliance reacts. "Smash has confused and infuriated RA. Prepare for Invasion!"
NebulousBlur Minmatar Unknown Shoe Corp. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 23:05:00 - [54] Edited by: NebulousBlur on 16/03/2007 23:07:04 I'm going to go ahead and say Please no more responses from Smash pilots. Let the diplomats sort it out. edit - and yes, I'm aware of the inherent hypocrisy of this statement.
Rochel Hakiri principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.16 23:10:00 - [55] Originally by: Tumbles I think this is the point where we need to see RA and SMASH/RK hug and make up....there are bigger fish to fry! I for one am trying to keep the skillet nice and hot! /me agree's, btw : OMG a RA thread, Ossum! (and im in it ) \O/
TheArchJudge Gallente Delta team Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.16 23:16:00 - [56] Originally by: The Beatnuts Originally by: TheArchJudge Where the heck did you come from? Is LV involved in this? Can't handle a personal opinion? Your smack is so blind. no, I just lost 1b to nync when he said on the two first pages we'll have a LV whining. so damn you. Don't feel bad, you won be a bet when you smacked my alliance tag 2 times in a row. Double or nothing for a 3rd time? Or you can always give a decent comment to my opinion ...
pershphanie Generals Of Destruction Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.16 23:18:00 - [57] I hope this post was meant to be funny. It's not even mildly believable. Originally by: nync a)" SMASH accepted the offer and were offered the system of 77s and full rights to the 10/10 plex in that system." B) RA never made such offers and would never accepted it. same way you can tell that someone offered you C-J6 and we agreed... Why would Smash take a system without an agreement? And dont you already have plenty of regions/plexes? Originally by: nync a)2 days after this, RED alliance announces they want to buy a mothership from 1 of the pilots in SMASH who is a known empire pirate and scammer b) RA NEVER asked Smash to buy anything from them. Smash pilot scammed our friend\ally. And according to our information Peoke was directly involved in this scam. Everyone has seen the chatlogs that say otherwise. In order for what you are saying to be true then all the chat logs where peoke warning RA that its not safe to buy the mothership without a go between are faked. Is that what you are claiming? Originally by: nync "And after Peoke informed RA that: '' Smash w'll reset standings towards our friends and towards RA. " nync HAD to reset standings towards Smash. That doesn't make much sense. Why would they do that? Care to give a reason why they set you to -10? Are they lying when they said that one of their members offered to pay you back? From what I can tell they firmly believe in the coalition. After all even after this incident they are still keeping all their long time enemies in the north at + standings just so they don't interfere with they coalitions goals. They are showing alot of restraint all things considered. So why would they be so dedicated to the coalition in every other way and then set you to -10 for no reason after helping you kill LV? Originally by: nync p.s. before talk about RA RA RA , you must imagine whats RA is? if you dont know anything about RA just shut up. RA dont post too much on eve-off.... And we dont like to explain everything for everybody....anyway wise people understood everything by own......stupid won't understand anything anyway... being stupid - is not curable... Maybe stupid is not curable, but being misinformed is curable. In order for your story here to be true a massive conspiracy of lying and faking chat logs would have to be taking place. Is that what is happen? Perhaps you'd like to elaborate.
Angry Dan Caldari Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.03.16 23:27:00 - [58] Having dealt with Emporer before, I'm less than inclined to believe the SMASH version of events. that doesn't mean I believe RA either. but I'm less inclined to believe SMASH than I am to believe RA. Right now, it's "he siad this, they said that, ra ra ra" forum posturing. Some actually proof and third party corroboration is in order. And has anyone here claiming that RA have done XYZ actually seen any irrefutable proof that they did these heinous acts? No? Didn't think so. Not so long ago, everyone said the world was flat. Just because everyone 'Lo the world is flat' didn't make it true out of sheer belief. If you can prove that RA are exploiters, that forward the info to CCP. So far, I've only seen one case where it has been proved beyond reasonable doubt that an alliances command team were deeply involved in cheating. Founder member of the Huzzah Federation. Remember, the grass is greener on our side of the fence Originally by: Butter Dog Good Sportsmanship > Winning.
Gaston LeTenoreaux Gallente The Knights of the New Republic Forces of Freedom	Posted - 2007.03.16 23:38:00 - [59] The first thing that came to my mind while reading the op was "RA SMASH!!" We now return to your regularly scheduled flame-fest.
pershphanie Generals Of Destruction Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.16 23:40:00 - [60] Originally by: Angry Dan And has anyone here claiming that RA have done XYZ actually seen any irrefutable proof that they did these heinous acts? No? Didn't think so. Actually yes, their are a ton of chat logs on the smash vs RA ordeal in the smash thread. I guess they could be fake, but I havent heard the RA members involved in those chats make any sort of forgery claims. but lets be honest here. What really happened doesn't matter. The truth is completely irrelevant. The coalition will set smash and roadkill to -10 and everyone will call them "bob pets, bob slaves, traitors, etc" because that is what is more convenient for them politically. It's just a matter of time. You think RA is more useful to your coalition then smash so you will take RA's side and pretend that it was smashs fault.
nync UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 23:42:00 - [61] Edited by: nync on 16/03/2007 23:43:57 Originally by: pershphanie I hope this post was meant to be funny. It's not even mildly believable. Originally by: nync a)" SMASH accepted the offer and were offered the system of 77s and full rights to the 10/10 plex in that system." B) RA never made such offers and would never accepted it. same way you can tell that someone offered you C-J6 and we agreed... Why would Smash take a system without an agreement? And dont you already have plenty of regions/plexes? Originally by: nync a)2 days after this, RED alliance announces they want to buy a mothership from 1 of the pilots in SMASH who is a known empire pirate and scammer b) RA NEVER asked Smash to buy anything from them. Smash pilot scammed our friend\ally. And according to our information Peoke was directly involved in this scam. Everyone has seen the chatlogs that say otherwise. In order for what you are saying to be true then all the chat logs where peoke warning RA that its not safe to buy the mothership without a go between are faked. Is that what you are claiming? Originally by: nync "And after Peoke informed RA that: '' Smash w'll reset standings towards our friends and towards RA. " nync HAD to reset standings towards Smash. That doesn't make much sense. Why would they do that? Care to give a reason why they set you to -10? Are they lying when they said that one of their members offered to pay you back? From what I can tell they firmly believe in the coalition. After all even after this incident they are still keeping all their long time enemies in the north at + standings just so they don't interfere with they coalitions goals. They are showing alot of restraint all things considered. So why would they be so dedicated to the coalition in every other way and then set you to -10 for no reason after helping you kill LV? Originally by: nync p.s. before talk about RA RA RA , you must imagine whats RA is? if you dont know anything about RA just shut up. RA dont post too much on eve-off.... And we dont like to explain everything for everybody....anyway wise people understood everything by own......stupid won't understand anything anyway... being stupid - is not curable... Maybe stupid is not curable, but being misinformed is curable. In order for your story here to be true a massive conspiracy of lying and faking chat logs would have to be taking place. Is that what is happen? Perhaps you'd like to elaborate. Let me help you. Take a look at the chat log you are referring too, copy paste into people&places -> search->, right click on character-> show info -> look at alliance he is in and been for a long time and find out he is not RA member. Maybe this simple action might help you understand that RA never wanted to buy mothership from Smash. Hope it helped. edit for spelling noob in training
Father Weebles North Face Force Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.16 23:57:00 - [62] I hope RA + allies get their **** packed in from BoB/Fix/LV/MC/Smash/Ratel "Welcome to EVE, where inflation is out of control."
pershphanie Generals Of Destruction Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.17 00:00:00 - [63] Originally by: nync Let me help you. Take a look at the chat log you are referring too, copy paste into people&places -> search->, right click on character-> show info -> look at alliance he is in and been for a long time and find out he is not RA member. Maybe this simple action might help you understand that RA never wanted to buy mothership from Smash. Hope it helped. edit for spelling ok. well lets say all that is true and UAxDeath has no association with RA. Then why are you attacking them?
John Blackthorn Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.17 00:11:00 - [64] Originally by: Father Weebles I hope RA + allies get their **** packed in from BoB/Fix/LV/MC/Smash/Ratel If you know anything about Smash and Roadkill you would know that we would never nap Ratel. And if you know the history behind both Smash and Roadkill alliances they both shoot BOB. -John
nync UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.17 00:12:00 - [65] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: nync Let me help you. Take a look at the chat log you are referring too, copy paste into people&places -> search->, right click on character-> show info -> look at alliance he is in and been for a long time and find out he is not RA member. Maybe this simple action might help you understand that RA never wanted to buy mothership from Smash. Hope it helped. edit for spelling ok. well lets say all that is true and UAxDeath has no association with RA. Then why are you attacking them? b) RA NEVER asked Smash to buy anything from them. Smash pilot scammed our friend\ally read , think, post. noob in training
ragewind Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.17 00:25:00 - [66] Edited by: ragewind on 17/03/2007 00:26:59 Originally by: Father Weebles I hope RA + allies get their ** packed in from BoB/Fix/LV/MC/Smash/Ratel as has been said this is one for the diplomats as a whole issue, but this is **ed up we are not bobits and for my understanding ratel are not involved in the bob war nether nor for that mater our ally roadkill. please stop making up fiction
Murukan Minmatar Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.03.17 00:33:00 - [67] Originally by: John Blackthorn Originally by: Father Weebles I hope RA + allies get their ** packed in from BoB/Fix/LV/MC/Smash/Ratel If you know anything about Smash and Roadkill you would know that we would never nap Ratel. And if you know the history behind both Smash and Roadkill alliances they both shoot BOB. -John everyone knows that Roadkill were like best buds with BoB back in their stain days Manlove by Zaphod Jones**
Ann Frost Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2007.03.17 00:36:00 - [68] Are RA recruiting?, lol CCP Suck
thoth foc Elcyion Lacar	Posted - 2007.03.17 00:40:00 - [69] Originally by: nync Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: nync Let me help you. Take a look at the chat log you are referring too, copy paste into people&places -> search->, right click on character-> show info -> look at alliance he is in and been for a long time and find out he is not RA member. Maybe this simple action might help you understand that RA never wanted to buy mothership from Smash. Hope it helped. edit for spelling ok. well lets say all that is true and UAxDeath has no association with RA. Then why are you attacking them? b) RA NEVER asked Smash to buy anything from them. Smash pilot scammed our friend\ally read , think, post. what, a week in the 10/10 you took off them? why get upset _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) xATUK (.5.) xDICE (BOB)
AlvynNevins Feral Tendency Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.17 00:45:00 - [70] Fighting versus RA together with Smashkill? No, never. Thanks Actually i "would" open fire on SMASHKill, RA/GS, BoB pilots (and many more) tho. We got lots of targets in the new drone regions already. Fight always outnumbered 5:1. Get many good battles. Found a few really nice friends. Why should we now run back into geminate? Posting not on behalf on my alliance since iam no diplomat or whatever.
wrathofflips Perkone	Posted - 2007.03.17 00:50:00 - [71] So it mean a POS drop to a NAP alliance was a gesture of friendship? You sir are a moron if you think people would believe your alibi. BTW, your post is a little bit too late if your purpose is sympathy from Eve community.
Sentar Manar Amarr NailorTech Industries Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.17 00:50:00 - [72] Look guys. We don't need to like each other but atleast while we are in this War we need to TOLORATE each other. This is exactly how BoB keeps winning. They just wait or sow division among their enemys and let them kill each other. Stop fighting each other. Kill Bob (along with the rest of us ) And then carry on as you would we don't need this to happen. Lets shake hands, make up and kill rearend. Then you can settle your own dispute. Not now though. :End Transmition:
Jonathan Peterbilt Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.03.17 00:51:00 - [73] Originally by: Zell "# Logging off inside a warp disrupt bubble (mobile warp disrupt or interdictor bubble) no longer triggers an emergency warp. " Bets it gonna really suck to be RA now..... Woot Woot
Dear John Private Veteran Penetration	Posted - 2007.03.17 00:54:00 - [74] Im beginning to think that either RA are BoB alts and want to break up the coalition by turning on their allies or they are looking for excuse to back out from the BoB war by creating conflict with SMASHKILL. I just dont get it why they would **** off the guerilla specialists in SMASHKILL when they need every hand on the BoB effort. Just look at the political map, how can RA attack BoB while defending from SMASHKILL? Not a chance!
Mutant UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.17 01:10:00 - [75] Edited by: Mutant on 17/03/2007 01:06:13 Originally by: Dear John Im beginning to think that either RA are BoB alts and want to break up the coalition by turning on their allies or they are looking for excuse to back out from the BoB war by creating conflict with SMASHKILL. I just dont get it why they would **** off the guerilla specialists in SMASHKILL when they need every hand on the BoB effort. Just look at the political map, how can RA attack BoB while defending from SMASHKILL? Not a chance! yep, SirMolle promised to us all complexes
pershphanie Generals Of Destruction Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.17 01:20:00 - [76] Originally by: nync Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: nync Let me help you. Take a look at the chat log you are referring too, copy paste into people&places -> search->, right click on character-> show info -> look at alliance he is in and been for a long time and find out he is not RA member. Maybe this simple action might help you understand that RA never wanted to buy mothership from Smash. Hope it helped. edit for spelling ok. well lets say all that is true and UAxDeath has no association with RA. Then why are you attacking them? b) RA NEVER asked Smash to buy anything from them. Smash pilot scammed our friend\ally read , think, post. Smash leadership advised the pilot to NOT do the deal because it might be a scam. They even offered their help with the deal to insure that they did not get scammed. The pilot completely disregarded the warnings given to them by smash leadership and did not take them up on the offer to mediate so they did not get scammed. What more do you expect from them? They cant force your friend not to be stupid. Every warning and offer for assistance was completely ignored. I don't see what more could have been done by them.
nync UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.17 01:36:00 - [77] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: nync Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: nync Let me help you. Take a look at the chat log you are referring too, copy paste into people&places -> search->, right click on character-> show info -> look at alliance he is in and been for a long time and find out he is not RA member. Maybe this simple action might help you understand that RA never wanted to buy mothership from Smash. Hope it helped. edit for spelling ok. well lets say all that is true and UAxDeath has no association with RA. Then why are you attacking them? b) RA NEVER asked Smash to buy anything from them. Smash pilot scammed our friend\ally read , think, post. Smash leadership advised the pilot to NOT do the deal because it might be a scam. They even offered their help with the deal to insure that they did not get scammed. The pilot completely disregarded the warnings given to them by smash leadership and did not take them up on the offer to mediate so they did not get scammed. What more do you expect from them? They cant force your friend not to be stupid. Every warning and offer for assistance was completely ignored. I don't see what more could have been done by them. He might be fast, stupid or whatever you say, he still is MY FRIEND. noob in training
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God X-PACT	Posted - 2007.03.17 01:38:00 - [78] Respect to RA, but seriously: You guys need someone with better english in the forums. Noy trying to make fun or something, but that was nearly unreadable. And I hope both sides can solve this... problem. All this for a complex? Never liked complexes anyway.
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.03.17 01:39:00 - [79] Originally by: nync He might be fast, stupid or whatever you say, he still is MY FRIEND. A sad story if ever there was one, indeed. Good to see RA is willing to let rash action dictate their diplomacy, makes our job all the easier. Keep it up. ;)
Jeff Anderson VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.17 02:00:00 - [80] From the front lines: I was in 77S beating up LV and killing LV POS's. We were making preperations to claim sov of the system when the word comes down that someone in SMASH had scammed RA and RA wanted smash out. We retreated but not without casualties as some RA allies apparently attacked some of our members on the way back to TDE. We had a ceasefire put in place so we didn't aggrivate the situation more. But then the RA raids started and in defence we confronted RA forces in geminate. This is when we started hearing about RA wanting the 10/10 in 77S to themselves and was the real reason why we were told to leave. We started setting up camps an in 1 camp we destroyed all but a couple of RA ships who tried to invade TDE. The next morning the RA pos was in TDE. To those of us on the front lines this is when the gloves came off. This symbol of RA within TDE was a defiant act and needed to be delt with. Since the destruction of that pos in TDE it appears that all is quiet and we are hopeful of a solution so we can all get back to what we were all doing in their first place, showing BoB how blobs are ment to work.
pershphanie Generals Of Destruction Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.17 02:11:00 - [81] Originally by: nync Smash leadership advised the pilot to NOT do the deal because it might be a scam. They even offered their help with the deal to insure that they did not get scammed. The pilot completely disregarded the warnings given to them by smash leadership and did not take them up on the offer to mediate so they did not get scammed. What more do you expect from them? They cant force your friend not to be stupid. Every warning and offer for assistance was completely ignored. I don't see what more could have been done by them. He might be fast, stupid or whatever you say, he still is MY FRIEND. Well ok. but that doesnt answer any questions. They advised your friends against doing the deal and they offered to assist to make sure no one got ripped off. Your friend chose to ignore all of that. That was his choice, smash cant force him not to do something. If smash leadership warned your friend not to make the deal, even offering to help make sure his isk was safe and he ignores what they say then how do you figure Smash is responsible?
Adam C 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.17 02:16:00 - [82] MACTEP please learn more english so you can join us on eve downtime teamspeak during 20th march Please!!! p.s bring Light Darkness, too! o/
Shadow Mancer Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.17 02:19:00 - [83] Originally by: nync Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: nync Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: nync Let me help you. Take a look at the chat log you are referring too, copy paste into people&places -> search->, right click on character-> show info -> look at alliance he is in and been for a long time and find out he is not RA member. Maybe this simple action might help you understand that RA never wanted to buy mothership from Smash. Hope it helped. edit for spelling ok. well lets say all that is true and UAxDeath has no association with RA. Then why are you attacking them? b) RA NEVER asked Smash to buy anything from them. Smash pilot scammed our friend\ally read , think, post. Smash leadership advised the pilot to NOT do the deal because it might be a scam. They even offered their help with the deal to insure that they did not get scammed. The pilot completely disregarded the warnings given to them by smash leadership and did not take them up on the offer to mediate so they did not get scammed. What more do you expect from them? They cant force your friend not to be stupid. Every warning and offer for assistance was completely ignored. I don't see what more could have been done by them. He might be fast, stupid or whatever you say, he still is MY FRIEND. I think u misunderstood Persephine's point, she didn't question your friendship, all she said was Smash tried to help and u guys didn't take it than came back and said SMASH scammed u for 10 bil isk. Sound to me like u didn't wanna share the plex with your allies and need an excuse to shoot smash. Shame on you. PS: what's with swearing in local and loging off? I'd really appreciate it if u dun swear in local (and yes I speak Russian)
Aerick Dawn Gallente Feral Tendency Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.17 02:26:00 - [84] Quote: BoB/Fix/LV/MC/Smash/Ratel I lol'd :) ______________________ If I'm in a fair fight, i've done something terribly wrong.
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.17 02:54:00 - [85] Originally by: Righteous Fury Originally by: nync He might be fast, stupid or whatever you say, he still is MY FRIEND. A sad story if ever there was one, indeed. Good to see RA is willing to let rash action dictate their diplomacy, makes our job all the easier. Keep it up. ;) Your job? wtf - WeComeInPeace Video
Mutant UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.17 02:58:00 - [86] Originally by: Shadow Mancer Originally by: nync Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: nync Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: nync Let me help you. Take a look at the chat log you are referring too, copy paste into people&places -> search->, right click on character-> show info -> look at alliance he is in and been for a long time and find out he is not RA member. Maybe this simple action might help you understand that RA never wanted to buy mothership from Smash. Hope it helped. edit for spelling ok. well lets say all that is true and UAxDeath has no association with RA. Then why are you attacking them? b) RA NEVER asked Smash to buy anything from them. Smash pilot scammed our friend\ally read , think, post. Smash leadership advised the pilot to NOT do the deal because it might be a scam. They even offered their help with the deal to insure that they did not get scammed. The pilot completely disregarded the warnings given to them by smash leadership and did not take them up on the offer to mediate so they did not get scammed. What more do you expect from them? They cant force your friend not to be stupid. Every warning and offer for assistance was completely ignored. I don't see what more could have been done by them. He might be fast, stupid or whatever you say, he still is MY FRIEND. I think u misunderstood Persephine's point, she didn't question your friendship, all she said was Smash tried to help and u guys didn't take it than came back and said SMASH scammed u for 10 bil isk. Sound to me like u didn't wanna share the plex with your allies and need an excuse to shoot smash. Shame on you. PS: what's with swearing in local and loging off? I'd really appreciate it if u dun swear in local (and yes I speak Russian) He informed us that the SMASH guaranteed this bargain. Who has told a lie? You trust Peoke, but we trust our friend too... WTB lie detector!
DirtyHarry Caldari Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.03.17 03:03:00 - [87] peacock told us that if anyone ever attacked smash RA would pwnerise them cause they were such good buddies, WHY U LIEZ ME PEOKE? Havocide - DirtyHarryF-E Homepage F-E Killboard
Kriz Lupin Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.17 03:22:00 - [88] Ra, killing bob is the thing we want to do? stop killing smash. Then you have 2 alliances on your side. Stop being idiots. We want to help you. We will fight you, stop this bs now.
Sextus Licinius Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.03.17 03:28:00 - [89] You guys should kiss and make up and bringing this issue on eve-o forums to be trolled, derailed and smaked by you-know-who is not a wise decision. These kind of problems should be resolved through diplomacy and whoever stole or scammed should be found, gutted, quartered and thrown out as food for the dogz. "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
pershphanie Generals Of Destruction Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.17 03:37:00 - [90] Originally by: Mutant He informed us that the SMASH guaranteed this bargain. Who has told a lie? You trust Peoke, but we trust our friend too... WTB lie detector! But there are chat logs that prove otherwise. I have yet to hear RA/UAxDeath say the chatlogs are fake. I'd think that is the first thing anyone would do if someone posted fake chat logs about them. Are you now claiming those chat logs are fake?
Lenaria Caldari Draconis Navitas Aeterna	Posted - 2007.03.17 03:49:00 - [91] Edited by: Lenaria on 17/03/2007 03:46:00 Originally by: pershphanie But there are chat logs that prove otherwise. I have yet to hear RA/UAxDeath say the chatlogs are fake. I'd think that is the first thing anyone would do if someone posted fake chat logs about them. Are you now claiming those chat logs are fake? They might be original as well but this doesn't mean anything as in later conversations everything could change and any agreement could be reached. There might be also misunderstanding on UAxDeath side. =============================================== LV are like little crying babies... Full story
Minigin Caldari Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.03.17 04:09:00 - [92] SMASH are not honest decent or upfront. RA should have known better than to try deal with them. I can see one reason why smash jumped on the forums immediately after this incident. They have already decided to they are going to fight RA. They just want popular support now. Evidence for this is that 5 threads have been posted from a SMASH/RK perspective and this is the first RA response. This shows unwillingness on behalf of smash to deal with this in-game. They donÆt want a solution they just want to get as much sympathy from all of the EVE community so that they can wage their crusade against RA. The fact that Poeke their emperor is so prominent in posting here only solidifies my belief that this is true. HeÆs not looking for an in-game solution he has already decided to fight them and now just wants approval and eventually assistance from you all. Open your eyes people. SMASH are not the straightforward people they are portraying themselves as, quite the opposite really.
Koronos Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.17 04:13:00 - [93] Edited by: Koronos on 17/03/2007 04:13:06 Originally by: Murukan everyone knows that Roadkill were like best buds with BoB back in their stain days Win. Originally by: pershphanie <snip> but lets be honest here. What really happened doesn't matter. The truth is completely irrelevant. The coalition will set smash and roadkill to -10 and everyone will call them "bob pets, bob slaves, traitors, etc" because that is what is more convenient for them politically.<snip> /me offers to go camp NOL for a bit if it helps anything. Originally by: Mutant He informed us that the SMASH guaranteed this bargain. Who has told a lie? You trust Peoke, but we trust our friend too... WTB lie detector! Language barrier, miscommunication by any chance? Naaaahhhhhhh, that's a completely silly idea. Koronos edit: my opinions are my noobish own, not my alliance's blah blah blah DIE IMPERIALIST PIGBOBs er, I mean, go smashkill.
pershphanie Generals Of Destruction Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.17 04:41:00 - [94] Originally by: Lenaria They might be original as well but this doesn't mean anything as in later conversations everything could change and any agreement could be reached. How so? Smash said it was not safe to make the deal without their leadership to be a go between. If if was my 10bill isk I'd insist on a gobetween from that point on. If there are additional circumstances why has no one mentioned them? Originally by: Lenaria There might be also misunderstanding on UAxDeath side. Nonono. Can't pull the no english bit here. I have spent many hours on TS having conversations with UAxDeath. He speaks perfect english. And if that is the case then how is that the fault of smash? I don't really know so I could be wrong here but it seems a lot like RA just wanted an excuse to backstab smash over a plex.
Minigin Caldari Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.03.17 05:00:00 - [95] Originally by: DirtyHarry peacock told us that if anyone ever attacked smash RA would pwnerise them cause they were such good buddies, WHY U LIEZ ME PEOKE? cos hes not honest and he likes to make smash look bigger and better than they actually are.
boogaboob Caldari BIG Advanced Assault Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.17 05:20:00 - [96] Really, RA and RK/SMASH should leave this to their diplomats ingame and stop arguing in this thread. All this is doing is giving certain malicious parties a chance to attempt to widen the rift. I hate seeing friends have a falling out Signatures done by me! Evemail me! Anyone? No? Aww...
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.17 05:38:00 - [97] Originally by: Minigin Originally by: DirtyHarry peacock told us that if anyone ever attacked smash RA would pwnerise them cause they were such good buddies, WHY U LIEZ ME PEOKE? cos hes not honest and he likes to make smash look bigger and better than they actually are. You must've missed the entire point of everything this topic involves. Crawl back, and meddle in things you know something about. This is clearly not one of them. --- I agree with those who say that this is an issue for the diplomats though. If this can't be solved through diplomacy, fine by me. But talking about things here are beyond pointless right now. Those who have their allegiance to party X, will side with it. And the other side will side with the other party. Pretty predictable stuff. Let's move along. // ORE MONGERS // Recruiting now.
Bienurdau Hywoaf Minmatar Matari Holo News Network	Posted - 2007.03.17 05:55:00 - [98] Originally by: nync Every poins of SMASH official annaouncement answered by MACTEP: a) Emperor. b) Mactep. a)"SMASH was invited by RED" B) Smash was not invited by RA...and RA never asked Smash to fight vs LV. Smash were working with GS, so we just have to nap with each other. a)" SMASH accepted the offer and were offered the system of 77s and full rights to the 10/10 plex in that system." B) RA never made such offers and would never accepted it. same way you can tell that someone offered you C-J6 and we agreed... a)2 days after this, RED alliance announces they want to buy a mothership from 1 of the pilots in SMASH who is a known empire pirate and scammer b) RA NEVER asked Smash to buy anything from them. Smash pilot scammed our friend\ally. And according to our information Peoke was directly involved in this scam. "And after Peoke informed RA that: '' Smash w'll reset standings towards our friends and towards RA. " nync HAD to reset standings towards Smash. a)TDE4-H, our home system. The raids increased untill within the last week we have had 4-5 diffrent raids a day, each raid containing an average of 10 RED pilots. b) At this time we had a week period for members to get rest from pos worfare and some pilots decided to visit Smash for some pvp fun... Decision to put tower in TDE and flash some dreads in local was made to divert attention and convince BOB that RA cap fleet is in geminate. a)RED's response to our trying to avoid them and let them fight BOB was to send raiding partys into geminate into TDE4-H B) check RA killboard and you'll see at least 9 BoB dreads and what real RA forces do... not small gangs... p.s. before talk about RA RA RA , you must imagine whats RA is? if you dont know anything about RA just shut up......Smash was not RA enemy...Was no friend........we just napped you guys... RA was ready to share plex for all allies...including Smash... RA did not asked Smash to do anything! RA did not promised Smash anything! RA dont post too much on eve-off.... And we dont like to explain everything for everybody....anyway wise people understood everything by own......stupid won't understand anything anyway... being stupid - is not curable... If Smash leadership prefers negotiations with everybody (include our allies and simple RA PvP pilots) except RA leadership , then cry on forums and flame RA ...So its your choice. Not our. So please stop posting Bullsit. - MACTEP RA FC. RA LEADER. - nync RA Diplomat. Seems the plan worked :), I also can understand why you didn't let SMASH into the plan of diversion against BoB, the more folks that know a plan the more likely its to get out..... I hope you guys can patch things up :) Idea: Treaties Idea: Jump Rigs
Gord Freeman Commerce Raiders Inc.	Posted - 2007.03.17 06:03:00 - [99] Here's my take: a) RA was advised by SMASH leadership the mom deal was shady, they chose to ignore the warning. b) SMASH kicked the offenders c) RA tried to hold SMASH accountable And now we have forum drama.
Admiral Feelgood Aionios Diadochi	Posted - 2007.03.17 06:36:00 - [100] Originally by: boogaboob Really, RA and RK/SMASH should leave this to their diplomats ingame and stop arguing in this thread. All this is doing is giving certain malicious parties a chance to attempt to widen the rift. I hate seeing friends have a falling out I disagree actually, and here's why. By posting these disagreements and diplomatic incidents along with each group's positions from their points of view it provides transparency and a feeling of openness which is very good for large groups like these. The division of which you speak can only be sown through deceit and misunderstandings. As long as each aspect of the coalition is approaching this with the same goal in mind, that is resolving the issue so as to be able to move forward, having the details open to the public reassures all parties directly and indirectly involved as to what exactly is going on and leaves significantly less room open for rumors and doubt to be spread. I'm not sure if this is quite the appropriate place for these things, but it's sufficiently public and sufficiently well visited that it does the trick better than any other I can think of. That said I do hope that with a combination of this sort of transparency and in game communication some form of resolution can be speedily brought about and standings restored to +ve.
Cartiff Darwin With Attitude	Posted - 2007.03.17 07:34:00 - [101] lol i wouldn't trust smash with a stone i found in my garden, let alone deal with them. Settle it ingame boys, eitherway, have fun ----------------------------------- "Uggs386 > omfg i like little boys" Originally by: Milivikal DeWrar GoonSwarm: powered by static electricty from polysci and law nerds rubbing stubble in thought.[/quot
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.17 07:50:00 - [102] Originally by: Minigin SMASH are not honest decent or upfront. RA should have known better than to try deal with them. I can see one reason why smash jumped on the forums immediately after this incident. They have already decided to they are going to fight RA. They just want popular support now. Evidence for this is that 5 threads have been posted from a SMASH/RK perspective and this is the first RA response. This shows unwillingness on behalf of smash to deal with this in-game. They donÆt want a solution they just want to get as much sympathy from all of the EVE community so that they can wage their crusade against RA. The fact that Poeke their emperor is so prominent in posting here only solidifies my belief that this is true. HeÆs not looking for an in-game solution he has already decided to fight them and now just wants approval and eventually assistance from you all. Open your eyes people. SMASH are not the straightforward people they are portraying themselves as, quite the opposite really. Dude. This was brewing for almost a month before it hit the forums. This is the second RA posted thread (the prior one by papa digger). This is only the 3rd smashkill thread, and one of those was related to GS, not RA. There is no crusade against RA. Finally, i think i've posted more in this thread than peoke has. What does that mean? Nothing. and BTW, i'll be in a gang with ratel once i've actioned this character and quit eve. That will be all.
zykerx Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.17 08:44:00 - [103] Originally by: Minigin SMASH are not honest decent or upfront. RA should have known better than to try deal with them. I can see one reason why smash jumped on the forums immediately after this incident. They have already decided to they are going to fight RA. They just want popular support now. Evidence for this is that 5 threads have been posted from a SMASH/RK perspective and this is the first RA response. This shows unwillingness on behalf of smash to deal with this in-game. They donÆt want a solution they just want to get as much sympathy from all of the EVE community so that they can wage their crusade against RA. The fact that Poeke their emperor is so prominent in posting here only solidifies my belief that this is true. HeÆs not looking for an in-game solution he has already decided to fight them and now just wants approval and eventually assistance from you all. Open your eyes people. SMASH are not the straightforward people they are portraying themselves as, quite the opposite really. dude if ya dont know anythingh then dont post smash tryed to solve this ingame for weeks but ra diddnt wanted to talk, smash even tryed to stay away from ra squads until they deployed the pos smash never wanted to fight ra, smash was assisting goons and wanted to stay dooing that . "MY COMMENTS IN NO WAY REFLECT MY CORP OR ALLIANCE"
Imode 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.03.17 10:16:00 - [104] Edited by: Imode on 17/03/2007 10:13:16 I had no idea there was such a thing as an 'RA Diplomat' ps. Besides the Tech II 1400 arty that is... _________________________________ Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24,000 bytes.Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip
Shadow Mancer Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.17 11:21:00 - [105] Originally by: Minigin cos hes not honest and he likes to make smash look bigger and better than they actually are. huh let's see: Smash: 900+ members, pvp based alliance, big capital fleet at hand, big fleet support always available and not so long ago together with RK we forced "almight" Astral wolves outta Geminate. Now let's see they are not very big are they? mr I- know- something- and- let-- me -post -on -the -forum
Shadow Mancer Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.17 11:26:00 - [106] Edited by: Shadow Mancer on 17/03/2007 11:23:46 typos
Shadow Mancer Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.17 11:27:00 - [107] Originally by: Mutant Wait up, I never said I only listen to Peoke than jump on bandwagon. I have been under Peoke's leadership before and my opinion on him will stay with me, but I do know who Peoke is. Now according to the chatlogs, it is true that Smash leaders tried to warn u guys but u didn't wanna listen. Pls stop fighting RK and SMASH let's be hippies again and be friends. Pretty please. Pity i'm not allowed to post in russian here (davaite, pomirimsia? Ia znaiu, po ruski pechtat na etom computere nemogu, kirilisi netu)
Shadow Mancer Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.17 11:33:00 - [108] Originally by: Zubenelgenubi Quote: why am I remembering my old friend OrcA right now Orc was the best diplo ever :P I think like other Russian diplomats in EVE Orc does initiate pew pew more often than he solves anything lol ... Maybe that's the way diplomacy is supposed to be, we just dun know it because we are all to soft to handle the truth... /me grabs Zube by the nuts "U want the truth? u can't handle the truth..." By the end of the sentence Zube faints due to an excessive amount of pain inflicted upon his pride...
Fubumaki Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.03.17 11:42:00 - [109] When you try to stab RA, aim for the face. I'm just preparing my impromptu remarks.
Orc A Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.17 11:54:00 - [110] Seems like the RA Diplo is into the whole Lyrical acrobacy trades... Good luck with that - it just might backfire one day. Originally by: End Yourself hey! we are BoB's lapdogs! not Oberon's or ASCN's!!!
Unbeliever Kresmoreen Pro Valde Justicia	Posted - 2007.03.17 12:09:00 - [111] Heres another peanut gallery take on this whole debacle: 1. Smash join, get PEW PEW, goons (your close allies) promise them some neat stuff. 2. One of your members fails to heed some good advice. After this, to save face, he tells you that they were all in on it (lie). 3. You attack them, you didnt particularly want to share that income. This makes Goon look like ****s, smash feel used, etcetera. 4. You 'divert' by attacking smash systems. Good excuse, but im sure you wanted to spank them regardless of the excuse. Then you post here, in broked english with a rather poor opinion of events and expect people to give you manhugs for it. No offence kids, but get a member fluent in both languages as a diplomat to get both sides and figure out wtf is the go. If you have one, fire him and get one that is competent. /rant.
Goberth Ludwig The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.03.17 12:55:00 - [112] Whatever happened, if RK and SMASH are willing to make peace like their members are claiming in this thread why are you lot still fighting? Nync, is RA interested in solving this or not? - Gob
Onchas Erivvia The Andromeda Directorate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.17 13:51:00 - [113] Originally by: Mutant He informed us that the SMASH guaranteed this bargain. Who has told a lie? You trust Peoke, but we trust our friend too... WTB lie detector! So you mean the chat logs posted in this very forum weren't enough to make you think, "huh, I wonder if we got that one right?" I think applying a bit of common sense will help you figure this one out. ------------------------------------------ 'Teh Onchinator' Personal Assistant to MrsPitman
Mutant UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.17 14:08:00 - [114] Edited by: Mutant on 17/03/2007 14:10:56 Originally by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen Heres another peanut gallery take on this whole debacle: 1. Smash join, get PEW PEW, goons (your close allies) promise them some neat stuff. 2. One of your members fails to heed some good advice. After this, to save face, he tells you that they were all in on it (lie). 3. You attack them, you didnt particularly want to share that income. This makes Goon look like ****s, smash feel used, etcetera. 4. You 'divert' by attacking smash systems. Good excuse, but im sure you wanted to spank them regardless of the excuse. Then you post here, in broked english with a rather poor opinion of events and expect people to give you manhugs for it. No offence kids, but get a member fluent in both languages as a diplomat to get both sides and figure out wtf is the go. If you have one, fire him and get one that is competent. /rant. We want nothing... After flamestrike week we presentation ours look for this events. 1) RA cap fleet fighting in other regions. (confirmed) 1) RA has no the territorial claims to RK/SMASH. (RA official notification) 2) RA has forbidden flights to Geminate. (RA inside order)
Mag's Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.17 14:21:00 - [115] Edited by: Mag''s on 17/03/2007 14:18:37 nvm
Colje Priory Of The Lemon R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.17 14:42:00 - [116] Originally by: Mutant Edited by: Mutant on 17/03/2007 14:10:56 Originally by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen Heres another peanut gallery take on this whole debacle: 1. Smash join, get PEW PEW, goons (your close allies) promise them some neat stuff. 2. One of your members fails to heed some good advice. After this, to save face, he tells you that they were all in on it (lie). 3. You attack them, you didnt particularly want to share that income. This makes Goon look like ****s, smash feel used, etcetera. 4. You 'divert' by attacking smash systems. Good excuse, but im sure you wanted to spank them regardless of the excuse. Then you post here, in broked english with a rather poor opinion of events and expect people to give you manhugs for it. No offence kids, but get a member fluent in both languages as a diplomat to get both sides and figure out wtf is the go. If you have one, fire him and get one that is competent. /rant. We want nothing... After flamestrike week we presentation ours look for this events. 1) RA cap fleet fighting in other regions. (confirmed) 1) RA has no the territorial claims to RK/SMASH. (RA official notification) 2) RA has forbidden flights to Geminate. (RA inside order) There's been a few RA gangs here and there...but nevermind that. Smash and RK isnt interested in an RA war, but if it comes to it....its just more pew pew targets. Fun ftw. We offerd peace, you dont want it.
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.03.17 14:46:00 - [117] If smash scammed you, good.
Sextus Licinius Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.03.17 16:20:00 - [118] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Whatever happened, if RK and SMASH are willing to make peace like their members are claiming in this thread why are you lot still fighting? Nync, is RA interested in solving this or not? - Gob I kinda wanna know the answer to this too, tbh i didn't understand much of what RA is saying with those a) and b) points, it looks like a) contradicts b) "He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man"
FireFox McProwler Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.03.17 18:14:00 - [119] Originally by: Gord Freeman Here's my take: a) RA was advised by SMASH leadership the mom deal was shady, they chose to ignore the warning. b) SMASH kicked the offenders c) RA tried to hold SMASH accountable And now we have forum drama. Sounds like a pile of excuses because they got burned.
Scared Mofo Minmatar Diamonds inc.	Posted - 2007.03.17 18:56:00 - [120] Originally by: Gord Freeman Here's my take: a) RA was advised by SMASH leadership the mom deal was shady, they chose to ignore the warning. b) SMASH kicked the offenders c) RA tried to hold SMASH accountable And now we have forum drama. IF this is true RA is very wrong and lack diplomacy and politics skills at a frightening level. I respect RA and everything they did and everything they are doing, but this would seem like their balls are bigger than their brains figuratively speaking.
fugazii Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.03.17 19:29:00 - [121] Originally by: Peoke im sure the first 9 bob dreads killed in over 2+ years of thier existence hurts them soooooo much rome wasnt built in a day.
Crypt Gallente Vogon Deconstruction Fleet Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.17 19:40:00 - [122] Originally by: Graalum Edited by: Graalum on 17/03/2007 08:05:21 Edited by: Graalum on 17/03/2007 08:05:06 Originally by: Father Weebles I hope RA + allies get their ** packed in from BoB/Fix/LV/MC/Smash/Ratel i'll be in a gang with ratel once i've actioned this character and quit eve. Same goes for the rest of that crew, except for maybe MC, and obviously smash (<3). That will be all. To be in Ratel you have to have balls, you have to have honor and you have to not be the slime of the earth. You also have to want to fight versus constantly running away from one. Sorry, but you won't ever be flying with Ratel. Quote:** It is a poor sort of man who is content to be spoon-fed knowledge that has been filtered through the canon of religious or political belief
Rooker Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.03.17 20:06:00 - [123] Quote: I can see one reason why smash jumped on the forums immediately after this incident. They have already decided to they are going to fight RA. They just want popular support now. Evidence for this is that 5 threads have been posted from a SMASH/RK perspective and this is the first RA response. SMASH didn't say a word about "the incident" on the forum for nearly 3 weeks. I heard about all this right after RA started making their threats and well before it became public knowledge. SMASH's side of the story hasn't changed by a single detail since it happened. They've done nothing but try to work it out peacefully. Goons have tried to work it out on SMASH's behalf. RA response to every attempt to sort it out peacefully is with lies, aggression and more aggression. Glad they're not my allies. -- Inertial Stabilizers and Nanofibers - The new Warp Core Stab. Carebears can PvP again \o/ --
Johnny ReeRee The ReeRee Brigade	Posted - 2007.03.17 20:22:00 - [124] With "friends" like RA, who needs BoB?
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.03.17 20:29:00 - [125] Originally by: Troubadour If smash scammed you, good. Shouldn't you being eating a bowl of willies instead of typing on this forums?
Djerin Obsidian Exploration Services	Posted - 2007.03.17 20:40:00 - [126] x for this thread to be closed. I doubt we'll read anything important here anymore. Originally by: Cipher7 Its like if the Imperial Star Destroyers flew past the X-Wing fighters and started flying circles around them, it would turn Star Wars into a slapstick comedy a-la Benny Hill instead
D75485 Underworld Zombies	Posted - 2007.03.17 21:17:00 - [127] sounds about right
Ledah Righteous Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.17 21:28:00 - [128] Originally by: Crypt To be in Ratel you have to have balls, you have to have honor and you have to not be the slime of the earth. You also have to want to fight versus constantly running away from one. Sorry, but you won't ever be flying with Ratel. Hi Crypt :) You mean having balls as running in pest from solo huginn? Yeah, big balls there Also you need big balls to log off carrier to save your pod, ummm what did I miss? Not representing my alliance in any way blah blah blah
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.17 21:45:00 - [129] Edited by: Graalum on 17/03/2007 21:55:35 Originally by: Crypt Originally by: Graalum Edited by: Graalum on 17/03/2007 08:05:21 Edited by: Graalum on 17/03/2007 08:05:06 Originally by: Father Weebles I hope RA + allies get their ** packed in from BoB/Fix/LV/MC/Smash/Ratel i'll be in a gang with ratel once i've actioned this character and quit eve. Same goes for the rest of that crew, except for maybe MC, and obviously smash (<3). That will be all. To be in Ratel you have to have balls, you have to have honor and you have to not be the slime of the earth. You also have to want to fight versus constantly running away from one.** Sorry, but you won't ever be flying with Ratel. Which is why ratel was hanging around with those 200-300 man gangs in k25 huh? Seems like we didn't run away from that, YOU did, with your collective tail between your legs, to hide in some backwater hellhole in the new regions. Balls my ass. Shouldn't you guys be leaving carriers in your pos shield so they can be stolen, or warping them to an RK pos where we can gank you? It's really disappointing and unfortunate that you got mixed in with such a lame crew, but to each his own I suppose. Btw, I thought you would be back for tde Yeah, ratel sure has balls indeed. Heh.
JackOfHearts Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.17 22:14:00 - [130] I once tried to anchor a pos in jita...
Crypt Vogon Deconstruction Fleet Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.17 22:35:00 - [131] Edited by: Crypt on 17/03/2007 22:32:39 Originally by: Ledah Righteous Originally by: Crypt To be in Ratel you have to have balls, you have to have honor and you have to not be the slime of the earth. You also have to want to fight versus constantly running away from one. Sorry, but you won't ever be flying with Ratel. Hi Crypt :) You mean having balls as running in pest from solo huginn? Yeah, big balls there Also you need big balls to log off carrier to save your pod, ummm what did I miss? Not representing my alliance in any way blah blah blah I'm not sure what you missed but I can't fly a carrier so I don't know what it is you are referring to. As for jumping at the gate when JB was sitting there and I warped in at 0 in a taranis...sorry but I was too busy to stop and play. When I did come back to play JB thought it was better to hide in the POS. You guys can spin this anyway you'd like but anytime the odds were even or close to even in Geminate it wasn't us that ran away. On a side note you didn't take TDE by force, for two months you tried and failed at it, nope you guys took it by spamming POSes. Nice tactic and it worked but it in no way points to your prowess in PVP. Sorry Ledah most of this if not all of it isn't directed at you...its directed more so at the morons that want to continue to toss crap our way. You guys won, you got TDE, now lets all give it a rest and settle any differences we have in space with guns blazing, if we can ever catch you that is. Quote: It is a poor sort of man who is content to be spoon-fed knowledge that has been filtered through the canon of religious or political belief
zykerx Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.17 22:48:00 - [132] NEWSFLASH. rk diddnt take tde rk did play around o2o . "MY COMMENTS IN NO WAY REFLECT MY CORP OR ALLIANCE"
Helina Malinos Caldari Euro Traders	Posted - 2007.03.17 23:34:00 - [133] snip Please desist from any derogatory or racist comments - Valorem
Minigin Caldari Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.03.18 00:19:00 - [134] Originally by: zykerx Originally by: Minigin SMASH are not honest decent or upfront. RA should have known better than to try deal with them. I can see one reason why smash jumped on the forums immediately after this incident. They have already decided to they are going to fight RA. They just want popular support now. Evidence for this is that 5 threads have been posted from a SMASH/RK perspective and this is the first RA response. This shows unwillingness on behalf of smash to deal with this in-game. They donÆt want a solution they just want to get as much sympathy from all of the EVE community so that they can wage their crusade against RA. The fact that Poeke their emperor is so prominent in posting here only solidifies my belief that this is true. HeÆs not looking for an in-game solution he has already decided to fight them and now just wants approval and eventually assistance from you all. Open your eyes people. SMASH are not the straightforward people they are portraying themselves as, quite the opposite really. dude if ya dont know anythingh then dont post smash tryed to solve this ingame for weeks but ra diddnt wanted to talk, smash even tryed to stay away from ra squads until they deployed the pos smash never wanted to fight ra, smash was assisting goons and wanted to stay dooing that so that explains the mass *****ing on the formus then...
Minigin Caldari Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.03.18 00:22:00 - [135] Originally by: Shadow Mancer Originally by: Minigin cos hes not honest and he likes to make smash look bigger and better than they actually are. huh let's see: Smash: 900+ members, pvp based alliance, big capital fleet at hand, big fleet support always available and not so long ago together with RK we forced "almight" Astral wolves outta Geminate. Now let's see they are not very big are they? mr I- know- something- and- let-- me -post -on -the -forum yes but smash has always had major organisational problems. the fact that it took you 5 months to remove us from geminate and in the end had to remove us using a nap with pure... doesnt say much to you. as for astral wolves being "almight" (i suspect you ment almighty) everyone knows that we are a new alliance with relativly few capitals. the fact that it took you so long to get us out is pretty sad.
Lord Guffy Minmatar Lame Duck Logistics	Posted - 2007.03.18 00:54:00 - [136] Edited by: Lord Guffy on 18/03/2007 00:51:29 To be honest, this whole thing is sadly predictable. I guess the bandwagoneers who leapt into bed with RA are finally seeing that RA is like without its clothes on... not pretty, is it? But yeah, you're fighting on the side of good vs evil... aren't you?
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.18 02:42:00 - [137] Originally by: Minigin Originally by: zykerx Originally by: Minigin SMASH are not honest decent or upfront. RA should have known better than to try deal with them. I can see one reason why smash jumped on the forums immediately after this incident. They have already decided to they are going to fight RA. They just want popular support now. Evidence for this is that 5 threads have been posted from a SMASH/RK perspective and this is the first RA response. This shows unwillingness on behalf of smash to deal with this in-game. They donÆt want a solution they just want to get as much sympathy from all of the EVE community so that they can wage their crusade against RA. The fact that Poeke their emperor is so prominent in posting here only solidifies my belief that this is true. HeÆs not looking for an in-game solution he has already decided to fight them and now just wants approval and eventually assistance from you all. Open your eyes people. SMASH are not the straightforward people they are portraying themselves as, quite the opposite really. dude if ya dont know anythingh then dont post smash tryed to solve this ingame for weeks but ra diddnt wanted to talk, smash even tryed to stay away from ra squads until they deployed the pos smash never wanted to fight ra, smash was assisting goons and wanted to stay dooing that The incident happened almost a month before this hit the forums. Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Shadow Mancer Originally by: Minigin cos hes not honest and he likes to make smash look bigger and better than they actually are. huh let's see: Smash: 900+ members, pvp based alliance, big capital fleet at hand, big fleet support always available and not so long ago together with RK we forced "almight" Astral wolves outta Geminate. Now let's see they are not very big are they? mr I- know- something- and- let-- me -post -on -the -forum yes but smash has always had major organisational problems. the fact that it took you 5 months to remove us from geminate and in the end had to remove us using a nap with pure... doesnt say much to you. as for astral wolves being "almight" (i suspect you ment almighty) everyone knows that we are a new alliance with relativly few capitals. the fact that it took you so long to get us out is pretty sad. We didn't put any effort on astral wolves until last, you were the smallest threat. If you recall, in the time period from when smashkill took over tde until you moved were moved out, E-r/pure/cdc/therestofthatcrew siege k25 for roughly a month, then e-r left/disbanded and ESA moved in, TSA moved to fdz, we spend like a month or more running ganksquads around. TSA, ESA, and CDC fell apart, pure took over vale. Hellhound dropped towers and started living there, pure put there towers into reinforced, we defended them, and then sat there for a week. A small group of rk moved to p-e and started camping and living in your area, a week later we started dropping your towers, killing 6 (?) of them in a week or so. Wolf agreed to moved out in exchange for + standings. Pure was set + as they went to fight bob. cliffs: we had better, more important and more dynamic targets than A-wolf all the other targets vaporize people start carebearing and a few dudes move up and base out of p-e, kill Wolf we start blowing up your towers, you (wolf) sue for peace and move out rk objective complete, hello boredom. :P
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.18 02:47:00 - [138] Originally by: Minigin yes but smash has always had major organisational problems. the fact that it took you 5 months to remove us from geminate and in the end had to remove us using a nap with pure... doesnt say much to you. as for astral wolves being "almight" (i suspect you ment almighty) everyone knows that we are a new alliance with relativly few capitals. the fact that it took you so long to get us out is pretty sad. Anyone can fly around in a region, in fact plenty of people do it. You guys just never were a threat. // ORE MONGERS // Recruiting now.
Chib Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.03.18 02:48:00 - [139] i personally think this whole situation is a damn shame ---------------------------------------------
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.18 02:54:00 - [140] Edited by: Graalum on 18/03/2007 02:53:21 Edited by: Graalum on 18/03/2007 02:51:20 Originally by: Crypt Edited by: Crypt on 17/03/2007 22:32:39 I'm not sure what you missed but I can't fly a carrier so I don't know what it is you are referring to. after we blew your pos in o-w, one of your carrier pilots logged on there (we had already put an rk tower there). Said carrier was ganked to great RK profit. I should add that the carrier pilot tried to log off to save his ship/pod. Too bad though, we got them both. Quote: You guys can spin this anyway you'd like but anytime the odds were even or close to even in Geminate it wasn't us that ran away. pull your head out of your ass. RK has a history of throwing gangs at much larger forces and coming out with victories. I've got several applications from ex-ratel though that complained about how when there were anything near even numbers, the ratel would hit the pos, often leaving gangmembers behind to die. Ratel has no honor, no credibility, no capability. Quote: On a side note you didn't take TDE by force, for two months you tried and failed at it, nope you guys took it by spamming POSes. Nice tactic and it worked but it in no way points to your prowess in PVP. Sorry Ledah most of this if not all of it isn't directed at you...its directed more so at the morons that want to continue to toss crap our way. War is about more the F1-F8. Too bad you apparently still haven't realized that. Quote: You guys won, you got TDE, now lets all give it a rest and settle any differences we have in space with guns blazing, if we can ever catch you that is. If i recall, it was a ratel troll that brought this up, not anyone from smashkill. Maybe you should go lecture your corpmate. I guess it's a habit though for ratel to project their own failings on us, you've been doing it for what, six months now?
Dahin Maza Nostra RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.18 03:10:00 - [141] Now who let lunas make an official RA post? Apart from that I have no real comment. I still remember the geminate days, and man oh man am I laughing right now. Anyway, have fun.
Minigin Caldari Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.03.18 07:21:00 - [142] Originally by: Graalum Edited by: Graalum on 18/03/2007 02:51:53 Originally by: Minigin Originally by: zykerx Originally by: Minigin SMASH are not honest decent or upfront. RA should have known better than to try deal with them. I can see one reason why smash jumped on the forums immve lutiin-game solution he has already decided to fight them and now just wants approval and eventually assistance from you all. Open your eyes people. SMASH are not the straightforward people they are portraying themselves as, quite the opposite really. dude if ya dont know anythingh then dont post smash tryed to solve this ingame for weeks but ra diddnt wanted to talk, smash even tryed to stay away from ra squads until they deployed the pos smash never wanted to fight ra, smash was assisting goons and wanted to stay dooing that The incident happened almost a month before this hit the forums. Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Shadow Mancer Originally by: Minigin cos hes not honest and he likes to make smash look bigger and better than they actually are. huh let's see: Smash: 900+ members, pvp based alliance, big capital fleet at hand, big fleet support always available and not so long ago together with RK we forced "almight" Astral wolves outta Geminate. Now let's see they are not very big are they? mr I- know- something- and- let-- me -post -on -the -forum yes but smash has always had major organisational problems. the fact that it took you 5 months to remove us from geminate and in the end had to remove us using a nap with pure... doesnt say much to you. as for astral wolves being "almight" (i suspect you ment almighty) everyone knows that we are a new alliance with relativly few capitals. the fact that it took you so long to get us out is pretty sad. We didn't put any effort on astral wolves until last, you were the smallest threat. If you recall, in the time period from when smashkill took over tde until you moved were moved out, E-r/pure/cdc/therestofthatcrew siege k25 for roughly a month, then e-r left/disbanded and ESA moved in, TSA moved to fdz, we spend like a month or more running ganksquads around. TSA, ESA, and CDC fell apart, pure took over vale. Hellhound dropped towers and started living there, pure put there towers into reinforced, we defended them, and then sat there for a week. A small group of rk moved to p-e and started camping and living in your area, a week later we started dropping your towers, killing 6 (?) of them in a week or so. Wolf agreed to moved out in exchange for + standings. Pure was set + as they went to fight bob. cliffs: we had better, more important and more dynamic targets than A-wolf all the other targets vaporize people start carebearing and a few dudes move up and base out of p-e, kill Wolf we start blowing up your towers, you (wolf) sue for peace and move out rk objective complete, hello boredom. :P to you and the other guy who posted under you. Since when where you in smash? i said that SMASH had organisational problems and are not to be trusted. this comes from my own experiance of them. If RK handnt been holding smash's hand how far do you think they would have got? I think RK is a fearsome alliance with a bad friend. SMASH are lucky to have you as their "friends" or "defenders" furthermore i think your numbers are way off on the pos killing. and again i think you missed the part where the 4 major fleet engagments we had rk and smash and hellhounds and deadspace where completely decimated. every time we held the field and killed more than we lost. so dont sit on your high horse telling us that you wtfpwnbbq'd us. thankyou Minigin
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.18 07:37:00 - [143] Originally by: Minigin and again i think you missed the part where the 4 major fleet engagments we had rk and smash and hellhounds and deadspace where completely decimated. every time we held the field and killed more than we lost. so dont sit on your high horse telling us that you wtfpwnbbq'd us. thankyou Minigin We missed it, because it only exists in your fantasy world. // ORE MONGERS // Recruiting now.
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.18 08:29:00 - [144] Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Graalum Edited by: Graalum on 18/03/2007 02:51:53 The incident happened almost a month before this hit the forums. Originally by: Minigin Originally by: Shadow Mancer Originally by: Minigin cos hes not honest and he likes to make smash look bigger and better than they actually are. huh let's see: Smash: 900+ members, pvp based alliance, big capital fleet at hand, big fleet support always available and not so long ago together with RK we forced "almight" Astral wolves outta Geminate. Now let's see they are not very big are they? mr I- know- something- and- let-- me -post -on -the -forum yes but smash has always had major organisational problems. the fact that it took you 5 months to remove us from geminate and in the end had to remove us using a nap with pure... doesnt say much to you. as for astral wolves being "almight" (i suspect you ment almighty) everyone knows that we are a new alliance with relativly few capitals. the fact that it took you so long to get us out is pretty sad. We didn't put any effort on astral wolves until last, you were the smallest threat. If you recall, in the time period from when smashkill took over tde until you moved were moved out, E-r/pure/cdc/therestofthatcrew siege k25 for roughly a month, then e-r left/disbanded and ESA moved in, TSA moved to fdz, we spend like a month or more running ganksquads around. TSA, ESA, and CDC fell apart, pure took over vale. Hellhound dropped towers and started living there, pure put there towers into reinforced, we defended them, and then sat there for a week. A small group of rk moved to p-e and started camping and living in your area, a week later we started dropping your towers, killing 6 (?) of them in a week or so. Wolf agreed to moved out in exchange for + standings. Pure was set + as they went to fight bob. cliffs: we had better, more important and more dynamic targets than A-wolf all the other targets vaporize people start carebearing and a few dudes move up and base out of p-e, kill Wolf we start blowing up your towers, you (wolf) sue for peace and move out rk objective complete, hello boredom. :P to you and the other guy who posted under you. Since when where you in smash? i said that SMASH had organisational problems and are not to be trusted. this comes from my own experiance of them. If RK handnt been holding smash's hand how far do you think they would have got? I think RK is a fearsome alliance with a bad friend. SMASH are lucky to have you as their "friends" or "defenders" furthermore i think your numbers are way off on the pos killing. and again i think you missed the part where the 4 major fleet engagments we had rk and smash and hellhounds and deadspace where completely decimated. every time we held the field and killed more than we lost. so dont sit on your high horse telling us that you wtfpwnbbq'd us. thankyou Minigin IRC there here 2 in hjo, 1 in 4d9, 1 in l-t, 2 in 9p4. secondly, a-w has never won a fleet engagement against smashkill. I have been in several and there have all been routs, baring one where the numbers and shiptypes were stacked in your favor, which occurred in q-t on the l-t gate. No offense, but you did get wtfbqq'd. Sorry, but its the painful truth. Maybe if your alliance posted your loses, your would have a better record of how the war went. Just my opinion. Oh, and FND has 90% efficiency against your corp by our KB.
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari mega mining corporation Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.03.18 09:15:00 - [145] No, SMASH/RK/HH/(whatever in that coalition) didn't destroy ANY AW POS in Geminate, I have it internally confirmed, but I'm not an official, so it's worth what is worth (our officials have better things to do than to come post in here). Our 2 small 9P POSes that were put into reinforced were shield boosted and saved. We've moved all of them as soon as the NAP was signed. I was around with my other caracter, I've participated in battles nad everyhing I could do. There were fights, some of them won, some of them lost, no need to go through the details and generate any other disputes. We are a little alliance and we did what we could and we got helped too from CdC, Pure. and others to whom I'd like to thank again. Our KB was up to date and it showed around 33% efficiency against SMASH and against RK and against Hell Hounds. Please, don't brag, just to make a statement and try to humiliate some honest and humble players. Yes, we were overwhelmed and we aren't denying it, but we didn't give up until the day of the NAP, which wasn't our choice. I'd prefer it in the "old times", when there were targets to shoot in the Vale/Geminate border, but there are higher purposes in the game right now and personally, I agree with them. You got the space that you wanted now, take care of it, let's give this a rest, this thread shouldn't be used to discuss this.
Xendie Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.03.18 09:28:00 - [146] funny stuff, is actually astral wolves saying that they have been fighting???? i have never ever seen a astral wolves member not log off or get insta popped when in space. that was the case during the whole time i was in F-E. astral wolves are experts at using ctrl+q, heck even better and faster then storm armada and e-u were. they would instantly dissapear as they always had a second client prepared to log in with . astral wolves should not talk anything about fighting at all because they do not know the meaning of the word. Originally by: "darth solo" bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari mega mining corporation Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.03.18 09:39:00 - [147] Originally by: Xendie funny stuff, is actually astral wolves saying that they have been fighting???? i have never ever seen a astral wolves member not log off or get insta popped when in space. that was the case during the whole time i was in F-E. astral wolves are experts at using ctrl+q, heck even better and faster then storm armada and e-u were. they would instantly dissapear as they always had a second client prepared to log in with . astral wolves should not talk anything about fighting at all because they do not know the meaning of the word. Check "The Forken Empire" KB, there should be some there if posted, hell I even took one on my own that's on our KB and not on the F-E KB, lol. Look for it if you want it. Just because you know some bits of facts, doesn't make you right in the whole. [url=http://wolf-killboard.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=38203] [/url]
Xendie Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.03.18 09:42:00 - [148] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Xendie funny stuff, is actually astral wolves saying that they have been fighting???? i have never ever seen a astral wolves member not log off or get insta popped when in space. that was the case during the whole time i was in F-E. astral wolves are experts at using ctrl+q, heck even better and faster then storm armada and e-u were. they would instantly dissapear as they always had a second client prepared to log in with . astral wolves should not talk anything about fighting at all because they do not know the meaning of the word. Check "The Forken Empire" KB, there should be some there if posted, hell I even took one on my own that's on our KB and not on the F-E KB, lol. Look for it if you want it. Just because you know some bits of facts, doesn't make you right in the whole. great pvp skills there -2 points best in your whole alliance perhaps? Originally by: "darth solo" bad men came, bad men didnt go home, bad men left containers.
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari mega mining corporation Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.03.18 09:49:00 - [149] Originally by: Xendie ... great pvp skills there -2 points best in your whole alliance perhaps? Well, I don't think anything matters to you except your points of view and your smackard ways of telling things. The point was that we fight and yes, I engaged a nanophoon in a hurricane on my own, so speaking about cowardly acts partly disconfirms it. Just keep on doing what you're doing it matters to the whole as much as my intervention in this thread. Fare well. [url=http://wolf-killboard.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=38203] [/url]
Saker tascarki Amarr Solstice Systems Development Concourse SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.18 10:18:00 - [150] On a side note.. SSDC would like to thank the astral wolves for the archon class carrier they left sitting in a pos with no guns on it, our pilot takes more care of it now then its old one did. I would personally like to thx mordek for the geddon that i still fly (called TA mordek)which was also at the pos along with a large tower plus mods and fuel in the corp hanger array. So in effect you lost two pos's in gem just in that little snafu.Got to love them wolves Best regards Saker
Draahk Chimera Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.18 12:43:00 - [151] Originally by: Chib i personally think this whole situation is a damn shame Same. Damn this sux.
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.18 13:54:00 - [152] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam No, SMASH/RK/HH/(whatever in that coalition) didn't destroy ANY AW POS in Geminate, I have it internally confirmed, but I'm not an official, so it's worth what is worth (our officials have better things to do than to come post in here). Our 2 small 9P POSes that were put into reinforced were shield boosted and saved. We've moved all of them as soon as the NAP was signed. I was around with my other caracter, I've participated in battles nad everyhing I could do. Thats odd, since i watched two of them explode myself. Quote: There were fights, some of them won, some of them lost, no need to go through the details and generate any other disputes. We are a little alliance and we did what we could and we got helped too from CdC, Pure. and others to whom I'd like to thank again. Our KB was up to date and it showed around 33% efficiency against SMASH and against RK and against Hell Hounds. At one point A-w had more members than either smash or rk. Also I checked your killboard a few times to find mails that had missed our KB, only to find that not only was that mail not posted, but neither were about 20 others from just that individual. Quote: Please, don't brag, just to make a statement and try to humiliate some honest and humble players. Yes, we were overwhelmed and we aren't denying it, but we didn't give up until the day of the NAP, which wasn't our choice. After we blew your first tower, i was scouting in 9-g and watched as you flew BS and hauler after BS and hauler to ls-jep and made the return trip in pods, over and over again. Quote: I'd prefer it in the "old times", when there were targets to shoot in the Vale/Geminate border, but there are higher purposes in the game right now and personally, I agree with them. You got the space that you wanted now, take care of it, let's give this a rest, this thread shouldn't be used to discuss this. Then why did you start posting in it?
Orc A Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.18 16:00:00 - [153] In responce to Astral Wolves/RK smach exchange: Astral wolves were there before us. A combined effort of the RK/Smash Coalition braught them and their LandLords - Pure, to the diplomacy table, where an agreement was reached that all saw worthwhile. Please refrainf rom using the terms "Kicked them out", "forced them out" and all other stuff like that. Pure/AW could have made it alot harder for us to take that piece of space - and non the less, it wasn't achieved by glorious fleets nor major POS sieges. @ RK Please stay respectful to our neighbors and friends. @ Rest (like ratel) If you wanna smack RK or smash, strart a new thread for it - better yet, just unplug your keyboard and take it ingame. you can play eve with no keyboard you know. Yours, Orcy. Originally by: End Yourself hey! we are BoB's lapdogs! not Oberon's or ASCN's!!!
Aturayd Rome SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.18 18:39:00 - [154] There is nothing of any value in this thread. Let it Die. Somebody click it closed. ----------------------------------- about:blank
Ledah Righteous Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.19 01:52:00 - [155] Originally by: Ledah Righteous Hi Crypt :) You mean having balls as running in pest from solo huginn? Yeah, big balls there Also you need big balls to log off carrier to save your pod, ummm what did I miss? Not representing my alliance in any way blah blah blah I'm not sure what you missed but I can't fly a carrier so I don't know what it is you are referring to. As for jumping at the gate when JB was sitting there and I warped in at 0 in a taranis...sorry but I was too busy to stop and play. When I did come back to play JB thought it was better to hide in the POS. You guys can spin this anyway you'd like but anytime the odds were even or close to even in Geminate it wasn't us that ran away. On a side note you didn't take TDE by force, for two months you tried and failed at it, nope you guys took it by spamming POSes. Nice tactic and it worked but it in no way points to your prowess in PVP. Sorry Ledah most of this if not all of it isn't directed at you...its directed more so at the morons that want to continue to toss crap our way. You guys won, you got TDE, now lets all give it a rest and settle any differences we have in space with guns blazing, if we can ever catch you that is. Sorry Crypt, this wasn't directed to you personally, but to your comment about Ratel. I have deep respect for you and other ex-RAGED members, I haven't seen you running from fights. I was referring to Ratel carrier who warped by mistake to one of our POSes and preferred to log off instead of fighting. I refer to few days ago when JB went solo in Ratel space after all the smack on forums, and no one showed up to fight, and Ratel tempest on the gate ran from him. That's all I saw from Ratel so far, so I don't see balls there.
patteSatan Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.03.19 07:52:00 - [156] Originally by: pershphanie blabbing as usual <br> ...you women are creepy, but amusing as hell.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.03.19 10:37:00 - [157] So what on earth does RA do with all those plexes? Sell ISK? Proud member of Cult of War and Amarr 4tw (Signature is below 23k, you stopid modz!)
Reservoir Dog Free Space Tech	Posted - 2007.03.19 11:23:00 - [158] Edited by: Reservoir Dog on 19/03/2007 11:21:20 Originally by: Imode I had no idea there was such a thing as an 'RA Diplomat' ps. Besides the Tech II 1400 arty that is... Original quote from RA member (rather old already) Quote: SephiriotH > contact our best dimplomat SephiriotH > t2 1400mm howitzer
MrTriggerHappy Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.19 15:15:00 - [159] It's nice to see that my fellow alliance members and Astral wolves managed to derail the thread I think this needs to be cleaned or click closed! -------------------------------- My Comments in no way reflect my corp or alliance
zykerx Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.19 16:06:00 - [160] lets all relax abit, drink some beer and get it solved and then back to the right enemie's yust give that guy that got scammed some beer, spacecake and a few exoticdancers so he can smile again . "MY COMMENTS IN NO WAY REFLECT MY CORP OR ALLIANCE"
TylerJames Team Americas Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.03.19 18:58:00 - [161] RA motto: "RA, coming to a plex near you"
Nightfall Assassin	Posted - 2007.04.04 00:26:00 - [162] YOU SUCKS
dralid Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.12 12:01:00 - [163] So whats the status of this, is RA still shooting Smash/Roadkill? -- Do YOU know, the Whirlwind? HERE
Arakk Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.12 13:06:00 - [164] Originally by: dralid So whats the status of this, is RA still shooting Smash/Roadkill? Yes, from time to time they and their residents send gangs into SmashKill space, theres usually no smack and it goes down "honorably" for both sides. Im just a 'soldier' so idk about any possible diplomacy being worked out higher up the ranks with red having a new leader and all. Unlike most things involving red, goons see whats really going on here and have turned the other cheek regarding this silly mess. the size of these gangs ranges in size, i dont think theres been a gang over 30 tho, i'd check the killboards for destroyed RA in geminate but its early and i have class. Their residents come more often than them. We stay out of their space, no reason to fuel the fire, especially when greater things are being fought for in the south. On one hand geminate is fairly quiet with all the action in the south so the occasional pvp fights add some fun to the region, but it would be nice to see this resolved and back to blue.
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.04.12 13:10:00 - [165] Originally by: TylerJames RA motto: "RA, coming to a plex near you" rofl -
Evengard Solar Dragons Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.13 01:08:00 - [166] Originally by: TylerJames RA motto: "RA, coming to a plex near you" Nice Plex! We take it! ___________________ Recon and Intercept
Nhoj Sllew Amarr Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.13 05:22:00 - [167] RA send stuff up when they are bored and we send stuff down when we're bored. has led to some really fun fights suprisingly, they don't even log off that much anymore. overall fun is being had by everyone i think, none of that pos BS just good ole pvp.
DaJokr Carebear Collective	Posted - 2007.04.20 22:39:00 - [168] Originally by: Nhoj Sllew RA send stuff up when they are bored and we send stuff down when we're bored. has led to some really fun fights suprisingly, they don't even log off that much anymore. overall fun is being had by everyone i think, none of that pos BS just good ole pvp. The pew pew is definitely nice, don't get me wrong here. But I personally am looking forward to having a "True Blue Geminite" with RK, SMASH and RA working together. There are more important things at hand. Look at past conflicts in real life history. ******, Napoleon, they failed due to there over extending themselves. RA, your fighting BoB on one side and RK/SMASH on the other. Maybe its time to focus attention on BoB. There may have been leadership problems in the past, I'm not sure there as I haven't been in SMASH for very long myself. I do however feel that there is a great deal that these 3 Alliances can accomplish with there allies to reach a common goal, rather then squabbling over an incident in the past. Let bi-gons be bi-gons. The past is history, lets make a new future for all of eve. My $0.02, and does not reflect the thoughts/opinions of my Corp/Alliance.

Ivan Kirilenkov Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.04.20 22:42:00 - [169] I know, it's friday night and we're all bored, but there's no reason to dig up old threads. forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website


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