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Rawmeat Mary
Celtic Anarchy
Complaints Department
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Posted - 2016.09.08 16:13:47 -
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Warleng Aurilen wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Warleng Aurilen wrote:No mate.
I lost a charon. and 2.7b in minerals today.
a whole fleet came to get me blown up and I needed to eject from charon preventing the loss of a billion in implants. Thank you... I needed a really good laugh... #1) It probably wasn't even a gank fleet #2) If you spam warp your pod will insta-warp as soon as your ship dies, there is no reason to eject, ever. #3) I still can't stop laughing... feast on my ignorance.... it's all good I know. Taken all good advise to heart and gonna lick the wounds for today. the important thing is having learned something today........ maybe tetris is more suitable. 
For Heaven's sake, get AROUND Uedama... Go through Kubinen instead. Yes it IS Lowsec. It is also SAFER (with a freighter) if you got a scout/webber.
Must we tell them everything?
'If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skins onto their clothing.
And if we're very, very lucky, they'll do it in that order.'
Yeah, we're like that.
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47 6f 64
Chilastra Syndicate
11
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Posted - 2016.09.08 16:20:47 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Let me guess:
1. No webbing alt
2. No scout
3. No check of zkill to see what recent activity there has been before travelling
4. Profitable amount of cargo
It's not the bumping mechanics that killed you if any of those are true.
Take more responsibility for your own safety to begin with and bumpers aren't a problem in the first place.
That aside, CCP have proposed a change in the bumping mechanics that they will eventually introduce, leaving gank losses of freighters even more the responsibility of lazy players.
Because, you know, bumping isn't just a stupid mechanic. That's like ramming a train with a car, I mean, I am pretty sure it's going to destroy someone's hull.
If I win please Evemail me.
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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
729
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Posted - 2016.09.08 16:27:02 -
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47 6f 64 wrote:Because, you know, bumping isn't just a stupid mechanic. That's like ramming a train with a car, I mean, I am pretty sure it's going to destroy someone's hull.
So are you saying that since it is so unrealistic already we should make it *even more* unrealistic by making ships just pass through each other like ghosts?
Or are you saying you want your ship to die as it crashes into all the other ships every time you undock from a busy station?
Should the collision pod you as well?
I mean that is the realistic way to do it...
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
542
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Posted - 2016.09.08 16:31:03 -
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Warleng Aurilen wrote:feast on my ignorance.... it's all good I know. Taken all good advise to heart and gonna lick the wounds for today. the important thing is having learned something today........ maybe tetris is more suitable.
People here are helpful, to people who want help.
Calling for a nerf because you died will get yourself made fun of. Saying how you died and asking how you could have prevented it will get you pages upon pages of very helpful advice. Ask how you can improve, don't suggest nerfs. |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
1186
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Posted - 2016.09.08 16:33:39 -
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Might I suggest that you do not fly around with more than 1 bil value in a freighter? This generally works well. If you have more than this, make multiple trips. And you can even hold more just dock up in an NPC station 2 Or 3 jumps from a choke point (Uedama or Niarja) And only carry smaller loads through the dangerous systems.
As for the implants, as stated, spam warp while your ship is being killed and you will warp away. By ejecting instead you have given the gankers a chance to stop killing you and steal the ship. That increases their prophet as they can one sell the freighter. It is better to have your ship shot out from under you than to eject and give it away.
Also, is your industrial location so set in stone that you must pass through Uedama to get to Jita? Perhaps you should look at the maps on Dotlan and find a home that is better suited and does not require such a trip?
And what about using a service like Red Frog. It may cost a little and they may split your load into 3 batches (they like that don't haul more than a bil rule too) But At least it's their freighter at risk, not yours.
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47 6f 64
Chilastra Syndicate
11
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Posted - 2016.09.08 16:34:47 -
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As not a LONG time EVE player, but a player that has come and go since 04', I think this is what is wrong with the EVE community and turns people off from the game. It's the response from the community. You are so focused on wanting to tell someone how superior you are because you know how NOT to lose a ship. You are completely losing sight of his gripe. If you will sit there and argue that BUMPING makes sense in any way, well, I'm not sure what to say. The mechanic of bumping is just dumb. Yes, it's been around a long time, it's an integral part of gameplay currently, not just in banking. But just the idea that I am going to ram my ship that is 1/100th the mass into this big ass ship to deviate it's course with 0 repercussions is just dumb.
Other forums, have the same toxic trolls. Have the same dicks in general. But EVE, the community just ***** on new people, the superiority complex is insane. I'm not the first person to say this nor will I be the last. Hell even mainstream articles about this issue have been published.
The community is unfortunately CCP's biggest hurdle on bringing in new subs.
If I win please Evemail me.
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47 6f 64
Chilastra Syndicate
11
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Posted - 2016.09.08 16:39:58 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:Warleng Aurilen wrote:feast on my ignorance.... it's all good I know. Taken all good advise to heart and gonna lick the wounds for today. the important thing is having learned something today........ maybe tetris is more suitable. People here are helpful, to people who want help. Calling for a nerf because you died will get yourself made fun of. Saying how you died and asking how you could have prevented it will get you pages upon pages of very helpful advice. Ask how you can improve, don't suggest nerfs.
This is my point in a nutshell in my previous post. I mean...the guy isn't wrong on the mechanic stupidity scale. Even CCP has said it's an issue they are going to look into. And the community jumps all over someone and makes fun of them.
If I win please Evemail me.
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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
729
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Posted - 2016.09.08 16:43:38 -
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47 6f 64 wrote:But just the idea that I am going to ram my ship that is 1/100th the mass into this big ass ship to deviate it's course with 0 repercussions is just dumb.
You still didn't answer my question about which direction you want bumping to head.
It is a serious question. If CCP agreed with you and wanted to change it - would you want to go less realistic or more realistic?
Other games *have* gone with (semi) realistic collision systems...but they have historically had much less player density (often single player for true collision effects).
Elite dangerous is the only MMO I can think of that has done it - with their station guns that just murder you if you clog the undock for too long.... And even there the stations can only handle a few people at a time or you get long docking/undocking waits - and you have to enforce strict docking/undocking windows with *guns*... And that is one of the (many) reasons that death in Elite "dangerous" is a nearly consequence-free inconvenience - not a loss of ship/assets like EVE is.
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
729
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Posted - 2016.09.08 16:45:23 -
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Also you seem to not want to admit it - but ships in EVE do have mass and momentum - and actual math does go into *how much* 1 ship can bump another. You may argue with the statistics they have assigned to some of the ships - but the values *do* exist and they *are* taken into account.
This is why people bump freighters with MWD machariels and not rookie ships.
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Rawmeat Mary
Celtic Anarchy
Complaints Department
142
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Posted - 2016.09.08 16:49:49 -
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Anyway, why do you feel the NEED to go sell in Jita? Use Amarr, Dodixie, Hek, Rens or other local smaller hubs.
Wherever you DON'T need to go through Uedama. Think about all hauling time and stress you will save.
You may net a little less profit, but all considered, you would have made quite a hefty lot of ISK, instead of say, losing these billions in ship and ore.
Edit: GREED was your undoing there, I think.
'If they take the ship, they'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skins onto their clothing.
And if we're very, very lucky, they'll do it in that order.'
Yeah, we're like that.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners
Test Alliance Please Ignore
14636
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Posted - 2016.09.08 16:50:34 -
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47 6f 64 wrote: You are so focused on wanting to tell someone how superior you are because you know how NOT to lose a ship.
Erm what?
EVE is a game with ships. One of the main points of a game with ships is to not lose a ship. We are all facing the same environment, and yes, the people who figure out ways to not lose ships are superior to those (in terms of the game) that can't figure otu how to not lose ships.
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You are completely losing sight of his gripe. If you will sit there and argue that BUMPING makes sense in any way, well, I'm not sure what to say. The mechanic of bumping is just dumb. Yes, it's been around a long time, it's an integral part of gameplay currently, not just in banking. But just the idea that I am going to ram my ship that is 1/100th the mass into this big ass ship to deviate it's course with 0 repercussions is just dumb.
We are playing a video game where machine guns work in space. Where lasers are visible in space. Where space ships using their own engines (ie no afterburner or MWD) fly slower than modern day 747 jumbo jets. Where every stitch of Armor has to be blown off before hull damage can occur. Where space has an up and a down and where spaceship instantly start to decelerate as soon as you turn a propulsion mod off etc etc etc.
In other words, it doesn't have to make sense to you. EVE is a game and bumping just 'is'.
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Other forums, have the same toxic trolls. Have the same dicks in general. But EVE, the community just ***** on new people, the superiority complex is insane. I'm not the first person to say this nor will I be the last. Hell even mainstream articles about this issue have been published.
The community is unfortunately CCP's biggest hurdle on bringing in new subs.
If people think in the same scattershot and nonsensical way you do, you are probably right. THIS is why I've always said that it's good that EVE turns off most people, because TBH most gamers are nuts.
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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
542
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Posted - 2016.09.08 16:52:48 -
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47 6f 64 wrote:People here are helpful, to people who want help.
Calling for a nerf because you died will get yourself made fun of. Saying how you died and asking how you could have prevented it will get you pages upon pages of very helpful advice. Ask how you can improve, don't suggest nerfs.
This is my point in a nutshell in my previous post. I mean...the guy isn't wrong on the mechanic stupidity scale. Even CCP has said it's an issue they are going to look into. And the community jumps all over someone and makes fun of them. [/quote]
I disagree that the mechanic needs to be changed. If you pay attention, you will never be bumped |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
2835
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Posted - 2016.09.08 16:55:15 -
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If I remember correctly an MWD will also inflate your mass ...
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
2790
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Posted - 2016.09.08 17:06:43 -
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It seams to me that the New Order of Highsec has basically reached the "wallhax" level of awesomeness in EVE, given that every few days another thread pops up about how they should nerf a specific tactic we use.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Warleng Aurilen
Quid Nos Facere Optimum
0
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Posted - 2016.09.08 17:09:35 -
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Rawmeat Mary wrote:Anyway, why do you feel the NEED to go sell in Jita? Use Amarr, Dodixie, Hek, Rens or other local smaller hubs.
Wherever you DON'T need to go through Uedama. Think about all hauling time and stress you will save.
You may net a little less profit, but all considered, you would have made quite a hefty lot of ISK, instead of say, losing these billions in ship and ore.
Edit: GREED was your undoing there, I think.
neh not greed I just invested a lot and needed a quick run to expand further.
Interesting replies so far .
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Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
389
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Posted - 2016.09.08 17:16:47 -
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This game universe has teeth and bites.
If you're not careful, it's going to bite painfully.
A signature :o
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Kitsune Rei
Tastes Like Purple
82
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Posted - 2016.09.08 17:28:18 -
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47 6f 64 wrote:Sonya Corvinus wrote:Warleng Aurilen wrote:feast on my ignorance.... it's all good I know. Taken all good advise to heart and gonna lick the wounds for today. the important thing is having learned something today........ maybe tetris is more suitable. People here are helpful, to people who want help. Calling for a nerf because you died will get yourself made fun of. Saying how you died and asking how you could have prevented it will get you pages upon pages of very helpful advice. Ask how you can improve, don't suggest nerfs. This is my point in a nutshell in my previous post. I mean...the guy isn't wrong on the mechanic stupidity scale. Even CCP has said it's an issue they are going to look into. And the community jumps all over someone and makes fun of them.
That isn't even remotely the problem. The problem is that he isn't the first to make these grievances known here. He is more likely the 2,801st to make this grievance known. Call it "my ship got blown up" or "bumping/bumpers suck" fatigue. This mechanic has existed since the game was released. The problem the OP and the 2,800 posters with identical complaints have is that there are some individuals that have found a way to turn that into content.
In the end, the disposition of the community in these matters should be seen less as combative and more as we're just tired of hearing this crap over and over again. Let that be known to the 2,802nd person that considers coming here to share their frustration with people that have already heard it. |
47 6f 64
Chilastra Syndicate
13
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Posted - 2016.09.08 17:42:21 -
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I mean, if you are going to say EVE has a wonderful community it just shows how self absorbed you are. I mean how many times have I seen a thread something like this
Heya guys, I just got EVE and it's really confusing. I have played WoW for the last 5 years and just wanted a change. I have tried looking for online resources and I don't understand X, could anyone help please?
And then you get overwhelmingly responses like these
Go kill yourself WoW flunky
-------> The door is that way, you are too stupid to understand how not to die
Carebear go back to WoW we don't want your WoW AIDS here
When an EVE player leaves EVE to go play WoW the intellect of both games just increased (about 50 of these responses)
Stop whining and go back to WoW
Hey man, join EVE university and we can help you out
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-ƒ-Ç-+-¦-+-¦-¦-¦-é-¦ -¦ dronelands -Å -+-+-¦-¦-¦-â -¦-¦-+, -¦-¦-¦ -+-ï -¦-¦-+-¦-¦-+ -ì-é-+ -+-¦ -Ç-+-¦-+-+-¦
Don't play EVE the game is trash it's pay to win now and they completely screwed up offgrid boosting
NOC about WoW
You are stupid for playing WoW
Man I could go on and on and on and on. I mean, I assume you have visited the forums or reddit at some point since you are posting here. This is the truth. The EVE community and narcissism is toxic to EVE.
If I win please Evemail me.
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Kitsune Rei
Tastes Like Purple
82
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Posted - 2016.09.08 17:44:14 -
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47 6f 64 wrote:I mean, if you are going to say EVE has a wonderful community it just shows how self absorbed you are. I mean how many times have I seen a thread something like this
Heya guys, I just got EVE and it's really confusing. I have played WoW for the last 5 years and just wanted a change. I have tried looking for online resources and I don't understand X, could anyone help please?
And then you get overwhelmingly responses like these
Go kill yourself WoW flunky
-------> The door is that way, you are too stupid to understand how not to die
Carebear go back to WoW we don't want your WoW AIDS here
When an EVE player leaves EVE to go play WoW the intellect of both games just increased (about 50 of these responses)
Stop whining and go back to WoW
Hey man, join EVE university and we can help you out
-Æ-ü-Å -¦-¦-ê-¦ -¦-¦-+-¦ -+-Ç-+-+-¦-¦-+-¦-¦-¦-é -+-¦-+
-ƒ-Ç-+-¦-+-¦-¦-¦-é-¦ -¦ dronelands -Å -+-+-¦-¦-¦-â -¦-¦-+, -¦-¦-¦ -+-ï -¦-¦-+-¦-¦-+ -ì-é-+ -+-¦ -Ç-+-¦-+-+-¦
Don't play EVE the game is trash it's pay to win now and they completely screwed up offgrid boosting
NOC about WoW
You are stupid for playing WoW
Man I could go on and on and on and on. I mean, I assume you have visited the forums or reddit at some point since you are posting here. This is the truth. The EVE community and narcissism is toxic to EVE.
LOL if you don't like the community, go back to the WoW community you 12 year old.
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ISD Max Trix
isd community communications liaisons
357
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Posted - 2016.09.08 17:47:20 -
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Quote: 17. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked.
As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread.
Closed,
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to Evemails.
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