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Liliane Woodhead
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Posted - 2007.03.19 07:08:00 -
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Originally by: Shadow Lightbringer Another thought about this, after comparing this to when I go to the post office or Fedex to ship a package. .....
Ouch ... Eve isn't real life. Ever seen Fedex/Post-Office employee's stealing like eve players do ?.
Originally by: Shadow Lightbringer
That is my idea anyways. Feel free to tear it apart. 
:) Mate, please don't make such reverse-engeneering-brain-gymnastics . CCP, just fix it -> reward payed on success, else back to the Contract maker.
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Michelle Yeats
Caldari Promethean Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.20 01:42:00 -
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Quote: CCP, just fix it -> reward payed on success, else back to the Contract maker.
Agreed. This issue isn't about work aroundĘs, game mechanics, or the OP's mental state. (I'd like to see anyone lose a large amount of isk and feel happy about it) It is a simply a bug. The collateral protects the contract issuer from whoever accepts the contract from keeping the item. If the mission is not completed, the reward should return to the contract issuer, not disappear.
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." --Albert Einstein
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Tareen Kashaar
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.03.20 02:44:00 -
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So... have any of you people actually taken the time and effort to bugreport this? I mean... it's quite clearly a bug. Have you? Huh? I didn't think so.
So don't expect CCP to fix it.
If you want a bug fixed, bugreport it, simple as that. Whining on forums only leads to more whining on forums. --- WTS: Forum Signatures, 30mil a piece. Evemail me!
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centaur I
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Posted - 2007.03.20 03:07:00 -
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i was told by the GM's it is NOT a bug, but how the courier contract system works. So you cant report it as a bug. They said on a failed courier contract you get the collateral but you do not get the reward back. This means the your reward money is just LOST on a failed contract. The system is screwed up. It needs to be fixed the way we all know it should work. A REWARD is paid for a sucessful contract, otherwise your REWARD is returned. CCP are you reading this? Comments?
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Tareen Kashaar
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.03.20 03:15:00 -
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Edited by: Tareen Kashaar on 20/03/2007 03:12:56
Originally by: centaur I i was told by the GM's it is NOT a bug, but how the courier contract system works. So you cant report it as a bug. They said on a failed courier contract you get the collateral but you do not get the reward back. This means the your reward money is just LOST on a failed contract. The system is screwed up. It needs to be fixed the way we all know it should work. A REWARD is paid for a sucessful contract, otherwise your REWARD is returned. CCP are you reading this? Comments?
Of course it's a bug. To quote my own bugreport:
Quote: - Reward is the pay that the issuer grants the courier in exchange for the effort of transporting his items. - Collateral is an amount of money equal to the value of the package, that is demanded to make sure the courier doesn't just take the package and leaves, grinning happily.
Naturally, the issuer's reward money (like the courier's collateral money) is put in escrow at the creation of the contract to make sure he is able to pay up when the contract is fulfilled, as it should be. This should, however, be *returned* to the issuer if the contract is failed - because it is failed. Currently, this is not the case: The only money returned to the issuer is the collateral.
A bit confusing maybe, (maybe confusing to the GM too, but that is not the issue of discussion here) but clearly a bug. Reported with screenshot evidence. --- WTS: Forum Signatures, 30mil a piece. Evemail me!
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BluOrange
Gallente New Fnord Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.20 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Shadow Lightbringer I can see the OP's point here, you should get your reward back.
But I guess I don't see why you set a low collateral and high reward. You should always set the collateral to what the item is worth and then set the reward to what you intend to pay the pilot for his service.
So, if the service is worth more than the replacement cost of the item (not that uncommon, really), you'd set the reward to more than the collateral.
The OP is confusing the issue when he says CCP is stealing the money. I suspect it's the confusing way the problem is being expressed that's causing the GMs to reject the petition.
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centaur I
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Posted - 2007.03.20 03:40:00 -
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okay, maybe "stealing" is the wrong word although it feels like it....but the fact remains the reward money is "disappearing". Nice post Tareen.
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Tareen Kashaar
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.03.20 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: centaur I okay, maybe "stealing" is the wrong word although it feels like it....but the fact remains the reward money is "disappearing". Nice post Tareen.
Yeah, I had to laugh at that one too when I first read it in this thread... what would CCP do with your isk anyway? It's not like the isk go to any players, they're just taken out of the game :P --- WTS: Forum Signatures, 30mil a piece. Evemail me!
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Joebarchuck
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Posted - 2007.03.20 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: The Pointless Consider it a penalty for not training Industrial and doing the stupid job himself.
Some Eve players are true assh....
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Code Monkey

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Posted - 2007.03.20 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: centaur I i recently lost alot of isk due to a failed courier contract with a big reward and low collateral. the GM's tell me that if a contract like this fails you are entitled to the collateral but you do not get the reward money back. this is an outrage. they are taking our reward money on failed contracts and most do not even realize this. ...
There was a bug in contracts which caused reward money for failed courier contracts not to be returned. This has been fixed in the Rev 1.4 patch and affected characters will be reimbursed.
We apologize for the misunderstanding on part of the GM in question. This is a bug and has been corrected. Nothing nefarious going on though..  |
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Tareen Kashaar
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.03.20 16:46:00 -
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Thanks for the clarification, much appreciated :) --- WTS: Forum Signatures, 30mil a piece. Evemail me!
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The Pointless
Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd
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Posted - 2007.03.20 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Joebarchuck
Some Eve players are true assh....
Yeah, I was kind of having a bad weekend, having got involved in multiple arguements with a spoilt 15-year-old brat who's parents buy him everything and my brother ruining some practice sketches I'd made (He thought they were rubbish - he's an idiot), and the OP's comments of "CCP are taking our ISK" only served to shorten my fuse further. 
Sorry.
Although my beleifs on the whole Collateral/Reward thing still stand. Some peeps do set insane collaterals for goods that aren't even worth the value of the items and the reward combined, as I recently found out after a job went down the toilet. 
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centaur I
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Posted - 2007.03.20 19:06:00 -
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the missing money has returned with the 1.4 patch. thank you! i just wish the GM's would have informed me of this in the petition. |

The Pointless
Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd
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Posted - 2007.03.20 19:09:00 -
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Edited by: The Pointless on 20/03/2007 19:06:14
Originally by: centaur I the missing money has returned with the 1.4 patch. thank you! i just wish the GM's would have informed me of this in the petition.
And if he did that, he or she would then have had to inform everyone else who had made petitions on the same issue. The petitions that he or she caught, that is.
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Misanth
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Posted - 2007.03.20 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kirja this does sound wrong. so u got my support. it shouldnt be the way you described it.
Agree.
Reward is payed upon completion. It's not a "2nd collateral". Simple as that. It's a bonus for the courier if he does a good job. You've already paid a fee to ccp/concord/whatever + the courier for setting up the mission.
Can't honestly see any reason for a GM to not reinburse this.
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Robacz
Essence Trade Essence Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.20 23:52:00 -
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First, thanks CCP for returning me my lost ISK. 
Originally by: The Pointless
It becomes my business when I'm forced to fail the contract, since the goods no longer belong to you.
You are supposed to deliver it, not lose it. If you can't deliver, don't claim the mission. Simple as that, what is inside is NOT your business.
Originally by: The Pointless
Yeah, for the new kids who scraped up the collateral from mining, and have no idea how risky that low-sec system in their route is...
Heh, you have no idea what you are talking about. Most of my missions are highsec. Last one had collateral 600M so I guess the person who made it wasnt "new kid".
BTW, delivery date is very close to 100%, including lowsec missions.
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.03.21 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: Code Monkey
Originally by: centaur I i recently lost alot of isk due to a failed courier contract with a big reward and low collateral. the GM's tell me that if a contract like this fails you are entitled to the collateral but you do not get the reward money back. this is an outrage. they are taking our reward money on failed contracts and most do not even realize this. ...
There was a bug in contracts which caused reward money for failed courier contracts not to be returned. This has been fixed in the Rev 1.4 patch and affected characters will be reimbursed.
We apologize for the misunderstanding on part of the GM in question. This is a bug and has been corrected. Nothing nefarious going on though.. 
Thank you, will there be some record of the reimbursement in the journal or something? With wildly fluctuating wallets some of us may not notice said reimbursement.
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The Pointless
Gallente Lacks a Point Ltd
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Posted - 2007.03.21 00:30:00 -
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Edited by: The Pointless on 21/03/2007 00:26:30 Robacz, shut up and read my 2nd previous post in this thread...
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BluOrange
Gallente New Fnord Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.21 04:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jex Jast
Originally by: Code Monkey
Originally by: centaur I i recently lost alot of isk due to a failed courier contract with a big reward and low collateral. the GM's tell me that if a contract like this fails you are entitled to the collateral but you do not get the reward money back. this is an outrage. they are taking our reward money on failed contracts and most do not even realize this. ...
There was a bug in contracts which caused reward money for failed courier contracts not to be returned. This has been fixed in the Rev 1.4 patch and affected characters will be reimbursed.
We apologize for the misunderstanding on part of the GM in question. This is a bug and has been corrected. Nothing nefarious going on though.. 
Thank you, will there be some record of the reimbursement in the journal or something? With wildly fluctuating wallets some of us may not notice said reimbursement.
Check your evemail. I received one from the ISCC informing me that 0 isk had been reimbursed to me as part of the fix for this bug. (The funny thing is that it was the correct amount.)
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Kai Lae
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.03.21 06:11:00 -
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Originally by: centaur I the missing money has returned with the 1.4 patch. thank you! i just wish the GM's would have informed me of this in the petition.
God help us from GM's that don't actually know how to do their job. Unfortunately, this is more common than it should be, and is damn hard to fix, since the assumption is that the GM is correct.
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