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Deadude
Gallente
Simtech Productions
Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2007.03.19 11:17:00 -
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I lost a carrier few days back and i'm not even online. I did some research and found out that if someone shoot your rat wrecks it will trigger the 15 mn aggresion timer, Is this true?
The guys who killed me was waiting for me to log off and probe my carrier and killed it but my pod was kill 15mins later (its all in the killmail) and i log off from pos with no prior engagement of anykind. This shows that they exploit the game mechanics to get big kills. CCP should do something about it.I log in after dt to find myself in my clone stn  good fight
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Lord Matrix
PBA Corporation
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.03.19 11:20:00 -
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Petition your loss if you think exploiting was involved.
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2007.03.19 11:23:00 -
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sounds iffy. Unless popping your ship resets the 15min aggro logoff timer so its back to 15 mins, that shouldnt have happened.
Either they popped you fast enough to make it within 15 mins, or somehting weird is up.
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Heraku
Oerlikon Contraves Aerospace
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Posted - 2007.03.19 11:25:00 -
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Edited by: Heraku on 19/03/2007 11:28:06
If it's done the way you described, then its one of a lame kill and you should try to petition.
PS :
Please excuse the question, but how does one shoot you if you log out within the range of your POS shields please ?
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Deadude
Gallente
Simtech Productions
Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2007.03.19 11:26:00 -
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Edited by: Deadude on 19/03/2007 11:26:07
With 2 thanatos and 8 other ship, i guess they kill my carrier fast enough to probe my pod
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Braaage
Laborius Chapter
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Posted - 2007.03.19 11:28:00 -
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You log out in a POS, when you disconnect your ship goes into an emergency warp point (supposedly a safe spot).
It's about time CCP started issuing bans for people who exploit this.
Also since it's known to a lot of players why has there been no GM announcement posted about this (in game) as it's already been acknowledged as an exploit.
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Deadude
Gallente
Simtech Productions
Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2007.03.19 11:28:00 -
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As I understand your ship will warp 1 mil k away and dissapear , so i suspect my 15 min aggro timer was triggered and its still hanging in deep space whiich can be easily found with probes
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PredatorPT
New Dawn Corp
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Posted - 2007.03.19 11:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Heraku
Please excuse the question, but how does one shoot you if you log out within the range of your POS shields please ?
When you log out, your ship will always emergency warp out 1 million kilometers in a random direction, assuming it is not scrambled. Since the OP had been flagged because his wrecks were shot at, when his ship warped to the 1million km safespot it stayed there for 15 minutes.
I would rather have the game give an option to not initiate warp when logging out, it just seems stupid that an emergency warp would get you out of a perfectly safe forcefield to the cold empty space where you can be easily murdered.
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Druadan
Gallente
Aristotle Enterprises
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.19 11:34:00 -
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You should definitely petition the loss. Unreasonable way to lose a ship, for sure. People who have to resort to exploits like this to kill a ship should just accept that they suck and go play counterstrike with the rest of the bunny-hopping game-mechanic exploiting populace of computer gaming.
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Deadude
Gallente
Simtech Productions
Kith of Venal
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Posted - 2007.03.19 11:44:00 -
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Yeah i did petition abobut it and i will surely tell Triumvirate Alliance to play counter stike instead 
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Mymh Heretache
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Posted - 2007.03.19 11:50:00 -
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Edited by: Mymh Heretache on 19/03/2007 11:46:26
Was alot of posts about this several weeks ago, and was posted that you will get reinbursed by GM's if you report/petition it. Don't take my word for it tho as I havn't tried it, but that's the information given here.
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cassy3242342
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Posted - 2007.03.19 11:56:00 -
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ha ha ha ha **** :D
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Trev Kachanov
STK Scientific
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.03.19 11:57:00 -
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personally i'd askaninja ... he'd probably know
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boo3916
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.03.19 13:00:00 -
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lets set things straight before u flame tri,
u had aggression and have now lost 2 carriers to us, both times u logged off when aggressed, warping to a pos when aggressed and then logging off still means u have aggression timer, also post with the character that lost the carriers not your alt
u lost due to game mechanics, most people know tri and we would not stoop to such underhand tactics, if we did we would get many more kills
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maarud
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.19 13:05:00 -
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This is a exploit, petition it.
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Dekiri
Exanimo Inc
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.03.19 13:07:00 -
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Edited by: Dekiri on 19/03/2007 13:04:46
Normally i would start flaming here, but I do have to admit I have some sympathy for you. I mean if I had lost 2 carriers to someone within 4 days I would make up any excuse to save my face as well. You died TWICE due to your own inability to be careful enough. So while I can understand you making up any nonsense excuse I would really ask you to stop accusing us of cheating when you are just a very bad player.
I will of course be unable tomake you stop doing this, but I would really ask you to stick to the truth. Or learn the game mechanics properly=)
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jamesw
Rubra Libertas Militia
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Posted - 2007.03.19 13:11:00 -
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Anyone who fits Nanos on a carrier deserves a horrible death imo
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
Apocalyptica.
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Posted - 2007.03.19 13:37:00 -
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ANY act of hostility against you will set the timer to 15 mintues...
So everytime they fired a shot at your ship the timer (for you to dissapear) was reset to 15 minutes. When your carrier exploded you had another 15 minutes before vanishing - wether the pod will "emergency warp" away from this is unsure for me, but I don't think so... If they killed it 15 minutes later I don't know why - perhaps they had it scrambled and was hoping for you to log on again for a ransom 
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Spaced Skunk
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.03.19 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: boo3916
lets set things straight before u flame tri,
u had aggression and have now lost 2 carriers to us, both times u logged off when aggressed, warping to a pos when aggressed and then logging off still means u have aggression timer, also post with the character that lost the carriers not your alt
u lost due to game mechanics, most people know tri and we would not stoop to such underhand tactics, if we did we would get many more kills
flame ended
He didn't log off the first time boo, caught him in a belt. 
The second time I don't know what went on, I certainly hope the accusations are indeed false, because the tactic is lame and not what I have come to expect from my alliance.
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Miss KillSome
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Posted - 2007.03.19 15:52:00 -
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I dont think its hard to show a timer if u have aggression timer in top left corner of screen, CCP??
If u dont know how to code it, I'll do it for u, free of charge..
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Kareltje
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Posted - 2007.03.19 16:04:00 -
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I believe that shooting wrecks to keep aggro going is an exploit in theory. I've heard that the GM's can't see what caused your aggro, they can only see that you had aggro. That could do with a bit of change imho.
That said, you decided to play EvE on easy mode by NPC'ing in a carrier, so you deserve to die anyway.
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Cyrus Clarke
Port Royal Independent Kontractors
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.03.19 16:56:00 -
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In my experiences with Triumvirate, having fought beside and against them, they are nothing if not honorable. Ebil piwates for sure , but honorable ones. This doesn't sound like a tactic they would exploit.
You sure they didn't catch you in a belt and get a few shots in on you initiating the timer?
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Da Tosser
Enterprising Trolls With Flamethrowers
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Posted - 2007.03.19 17:15:00 -
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First off, were you watching local? Even if they shot your wrecks, you deserve to die. If you are tarded enough to not spend a couple extra secs popping your wrecks before continuing on to next belt, then its your fault. If you are so much of a loner that you cant get a friend to watch gate for you, it your fault. And since you have a POS present, why log off at all, might as well wait to they get board and resume. If this happened in low sec, get a clue and go to 0.0, its much safer imho.
Hell checking local, clearing your wrecks, and having ANY friends should have prevented this. You sir are a noob and I present you with a Gold Star.
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Moxprow
Gallente
Darkness Realized
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Posted - 2007.03.19 17:18:00 -
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Destroy your own wreaks when NPCing? Seems like such an obvious answer and yet we keep getting these threads. 
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Tyrrhena Maxus
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Posted - 2007.03.19 17:20:00 -
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lol
logging because your npc'ing and cbf running and hiding properly is lame. is it any surprise that someone found a way to kill you that is equally lame? i for one understand the frustration when your hunting and someone logs because they don't want to fight, though i guess if you needed to log to go to work or something it could be annoying.
if your logged out but your wrecks are still around and someone pop's one, will you appear back in space? or does this only work before you've logged off?
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Iuris Proeliator
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.03.19 17:20:00 -
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Can anyone please explain the logic of getting aggression from someone else... shooting your wreck?
The need to "Pop your wrecks" is wasteful, and unfair to pilots that have a heavy cost for ammo. Sure, you make enough Isk in a single rat kill to pay for it, but that's not the point. There's no reason I can imagine that someone shooting your wreck gets you aggro.
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Moxprow
Gallente
Darkness Realized
deadspace society
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Posted - 2007.03.19 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Iuris Proeliator
Can anyone please explain the logic of getting aggression from someone else... shooting your wreck?
The need to "Pop your wrecks" is wasteful, and unfair to pilots that have a heavy cost for ammo. Sure, you make enough Isk in a single rat kill to pay for it, but that's not the point. There's no reason I can imagine that someone shooting your wreck gets you aggro.
You're right it's not the point. But until it gets fixed there is an easy way to avoid it. If you're using a ship with any kind of drone bay it gets even easier. If you're going to leave wreaks around knowing it's an issue you deserve to get popped IMO.
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Da Tosser
Enterprising Trolls With Flamethrowers
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Posted - 2007.03.19 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Iuris Proeliator
Can anyone please explain the logic of getting aggression from someone else... shooting your wreck?
The need to "Pop your wrecks" is wasteful, and unfair to pilots that have a heavy cost for ammo. Sure, you make enough Isk in a single rat kill to pay for it, but that's not the point. There's no reason I can imagine that someone shooting your wreck gets you aggro.
They are 'your' wrecks, if I grab loot from them or salvage them, I get an aggression timer. As for ammo costs, get a single drone to go kill them, cheap and easy.
You must all be fat lazy sobs that expect everything on a platter. Don't like the mechanics, then quit and go back to an easier game. Maybe Penguin Club is more your skill level. Or if you don't wanna quit, don't complain for being too cheap/lazy too protect your investment.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.03.19 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 19/03/2007 17:48:13
Afaik logging, before the 15 min timer runs out, starts a new 15 minutes timer, no matter, if you haven't been shot the last 10 minutes before.
If they kill your carrier then, your POD warps out, but another 15 minute timer is started for the POD at that time.
After BoB killed ASCNs Titan, someone posted a link, where it is described.
So afaik 3 phases:
1) you get aggressed => 15 minute timer starts from zero (reset to zero with each new aggression)
2) You log off before the 15 mins are over => A new 15 minutes timer starts for your ship
3) Ship gets killed and POD warps off => Another 15 minute timer for the POD starts.
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The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.03.19 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Da Tosser
Originally by: Iuris Proeliator
Can anyone please explain the logic of getting aggression from someone else... shooting your wreck?
The need to "Pop your wrecks" is wasteful, and unfair to pilots that have a heavy cost for ammo. Sure, you make enough Isk in a single rat kill to pay for it, but that's not the point. There's no reason I can imagine that someone shooting your wreck gets you aggro.
They are 'your' wrecks, if I grab loot from them or salvage them, I get an aggression timer. As for ammo costs, get a single drone to go kill them, cheap and easy.
You must all be fat lazy sobs that expect everything on a platter. Don't like the mechanics, then quit and go back to an easier game. Maybe Penguin Club is more your skill level. Or if you don't wanna quit, don't complain for being too cheap/lazy too protect your investment.
So you're sitting there ratting happily in a dead system. Suddenly local jump to 10 or 15 and you think 'oh noes, ebil piwats no doubt!'. So in the 10-15 minutes you naturally have before the pirates decide to do anything, you jump to every belt and blow up all your wrecks, then warp to a pos/moon/whatever, and log out, safe in the knowledge that there is no possible way they can draw agro now.
Genius!
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