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Oliver Delorean Undiscovered Dimension 51	Posted - 2016.09.18 06:58:20 - [1] - Quote Killboards need to go! Why? It seriously hurts the game! People don't look for interesting fights anymore... 95% of the pvp is based on the "green killboard" Hold the pod!! What type of sh++t is this? Seriously! Get rid of all that: Look at my green killboard mentality and the game will be a lot better once again.
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1017	Posted - 2016.09.18 07:06:47 - [2] - Quote Interpretation: No one pvp's the way I want them to and they don't let me win. Take your whinge elsewhere, many people like killboards and like the epeen factor they provide. So unless you can post data that shows that killboards 'seriously hurts the game', then your opinion has no more validity than someone who claims killboards are great. As for hold the pod: that's time for you to unplug implants. Only give them a 10K pod. Edit: and lol complaining about others not taking risks. 2700 kills to 420 losses. That's a good sign of being conservative. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Legion 18065	Posted - 2016.09.18 07:13:11 - [3] - Quote The cowards who avoid PvP now are the same cowards that avoided PvP before killmails existed.
Oliver Delorean Undiscovered Dimension 51	Posted - 2016.09.18 07:14:15 - [4] - Quote Won't let me win? WTF are you talking about? I don't care about winning! I want to fight! Unplug the implants? What? Why? I loose em anyway... I'm not whining, I posted here so I can argue with your type! Keep coming! Explain me why else the keyboard is so important to you.
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1017	Posted - 2016.09.18 07:16:06 - [5] - Quote Oliver Delorean wrote: Won't let me win? WTF are you talking about? I don't care about winning! I want to fight! Unplug the implants? What? Why? I loose em anyway... I'm not whining, I posted here so I can argue with your type! Keep coming! Explain me why else the keyboard is so important to you. Well you certainly seem to care about not losing. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2885	Posted - 2016.09.18 07:21:20 - [6] - Quote Record of accomplishments and failures? The history of New Eden? Every game has a highscore list. Also I think the game would be long dead without it (btw, people would have found a way to create those even without API as long as killmails exists). I'm my own NPC alt.
General Guardian The Guardian Knights AXIOS. 132	Posted - 2016.09.18 07:28:34 - [7] - Quote A killboard is like a record of good memories. One players killboard can tell an entire story. Countless times my corp has had moments where we post some of our most idiotic losses or funniest kills in chat and told the story and had a good laugh. It's not just about epeen, but it's a history of your eve career. Where you were and what you did since you began. I definitely wouldn't play eve without the killboard.
Oliver Delorean Undiscovered Dimension 51	Posted - 2016.09.18 07:31:43 - [8] - Quote Why do you need that record of accomplishment? You are not going to engage if there is little risk of getting that red line on your killboard. Iv done both... I held the pod and iv been the pod that is being held. It's exactly what's going on right now in new eden, pvp is one big killboard show-up.
Vincent Pelletier Pelletier Imports and Exports 38	Posted - 2016.09.18 07:34:21 - [9] - Quote We had killboards long before the api so that right there is not a solution in and of itself, if there even needs to be a solution. I will agree that killboards might/will keep people from "just having a fight" then again so does ship cost and bragging rights amongst your corp/fiends so I don't really see how it would be magically solved by removing the KB. Then... I look at your killboard and i see you use the Svipul a lot while you're preaching about "why do people love their green killboard so much", so there's that. And how is being podded somehow a bad thing and caused by these magical killboards.
baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Legion 18067	Posted - 2016.09.18 07:35:59 - [10] - Quote Oliver Delorean wrote: Why do you need that record of accomplishment? You are not going to engage if there is little risk of getting that red line on your killboard. Iv done both... I held the pod and iv been the pod that is being held. It's exactly what's going on right now in new eden, pvp is one big killboard show-up. I come from a time without any KB, people would pull off an impressive dunk but because there was no record of it all that happened was thread after thread of **** flinging as people denied fights even happened.
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2885	Posted - 2016.09.18 07:38:30 - [11] - Quote Oliver Delorean wrote: Why do you need that record of accomplishment? You are not going to engage if there is little risk of getting that red line on your killboard. This is an unrelated insinuation ... do you even read the answers? I'm my own NPC alt.
Vincent Pelletier Pelletier Imports and Exports 38	Posted - 2016.09.18 07:41:29 - [12] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Oliver Delorean wrote: Why do you need that record of accomplishment? You are not going to engage if there is little risk of getting that red line on your killboard. Iv done both... I held the pod and iv been the pod that is being held. It's exactly what's going on right now in new eden, pvp is one big killboard show-up. I come from a time without any KB, people would pull off an impressive dunk but because there was no record of it all that happened was thread after thread of **** flinging as people denied fights even happened. KB existed in 2006.
baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Legion 18067	Posted - 2016.09.18 07:43:48 - [13] - Quote Vincent Pelletier wrote: baltec1 wrote: Oliver Delorean wrote: Why do you need that record of accomplishment? You are not going to engage if there is little risk of getting that red line on your killboard. Iv done both... I held the pod and iv been the pod that is being held. It's exactly what's going on right now in new eden, pvp is one big killboard show-up. I come from a time without any KB, people would pull off an impressive dunk but because there was no record of it all that happened was thread after thread of **** flinging as people denied fights even happened. KB existed in 2006. This is not my first baltec. Also, KB before API were rather easy to fake.
Vincent Pelletier Pelletier Imports and Exports 38	Posted - 2016.09.18 07:47:45 - [14] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Vincent Pelletier wrote: baltec1 wrote: Oliver Delorean wrote: Why do you need that record of accomplishment? You are not going to engage if there is little risk of getting that red line on your killboard. Iv done both... I held the pod and iv been the pod that is being held. It's exactly what's going on right now in new eden, pvp is one big killboard show-up. I come from a time without any KB, people would pull off an impressive dunk but because there was no record of it all that happened was thread after thread of **** flinging as people denied fights even happened. KB existed in 2006. This is not my first baltec. Also, KB before API were rather easy to fake. Yeah we didn't have kb in 2004 :)
Oliver Delorean Undiscovered Dimension 51	Posted - 2016.09.18 08:41:03 - [15] - Quote Vincent Pelletier wrote: We had killboards long before the api so that right there is not a solution in and of itself, if there even needs to be a solution. I will agree that killboards might/will keep people from "just having a fight" then again so does ship cost and bragging rights amongst your corp/fiends so I don't really see how it would be magically solved by removing the KB. Then... I look at your killboard and i see you use the Svipul a lot while you're preaching about "why do people love their green killboard so much", so there's that. And how is being podded somehow a bad thing and caused by these magical killboards. Being podded is not caused by killboard - u get it all wrong. "Hold the pod" so everyone can whore on the killmail is. Eve mentality is: f the fight! Let's get those killmails! This is also caused by the killboards.
baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Legion 18068	Posted - 2016.09.18 08:44:33 - [16] - Quote Oliver Delorean wrote: Vincent Pelletier wrote: We had killboards long before the api so that right there is not a solution in and of itself, if there even needs to be a solution. I will agree that killboards might/will keep people from "just having a fight" then again so does ship cost and bragging rights amongst your corp/fiends so I don't really see how it would be magically solved by removing the KB. Then... I look at your killboard and i see you use the Svipul a lot while you're preaching about "why do people love their green killboard so much", so there's that. And how is being podded somehow a bad thing and caused by these magical killboards. Being podded is not caused by killboard - u get it all wrong. "Hold the pod" so everyone can whore on the killmail is. Eve mentality is: f the fight! Let's get those killmails! This is also caused by the killboards. 9 times out of 10 someone pops the pod anyway.
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 2837	Posted - 2016.09.18 09:20:14 - [17] - Quote Keeping score is part of every game. Think about it. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Mike Adoulin Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters 1868	Posted - 2016.09.18 09:33:11 - [18] - Quote baltec1 wrote: The cowards who avoid PvP now are the same cowards that avoided PvP before killmails existed. ^^ Pretty much this....wouldn't change anything. Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg. Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Xert Trassien Sisterhood of Wig Wearers 33	Posted - 2016.09.18 09:42:11 - [19] - Quote Having played ALOT of games over the years the 1 thing i notice is a killboard of some sort with pretty much every game. They may not be called killboards but they show stats of kills losses etc. Hell even racing games have stats showing how many wins losses etc. Maybe just maybe you need to learn how to play card games on your computer ?? Oh wait they have stats on win/loss ratio to :) And yes my killboard sucks but is just a gank alt anyways...
Trader20 Hedion University Amarr Empire 147	Posted - 2016.09.18 09:45:31 - [20] - Quote The only reason I undock is to killmail snipe, so no?
Geronimo McVain The Scope Gallente Federation 206	Posted - 2016.09.18 09:58:11 - [21] - Quote The question should be more: Does the killboard API have to be so explicit? Do you REALLY need to know the fitting? Do you REALLY need the cargo? Do you REALLY need the name of the looser, in the killboard api that is, if you did it, you know him. Take a look at all these killmail-shame-threads on reddit. "Look at this looser he": had the wrong modules too much cargo shouldn't die in this ship shouldn't have been there been afk etc. time, Ship, system, Corp and the name of the winner, not the looser, should be enough. If you want to talk about your losses you can always post your own killmail.
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1570	Posted - 2016.09.18 10:28:45 - [22] - Quote Geronimo McVain wrote: ... Take a look at all these killmail-shame-threads on reddit. "Look at this looser he": had the wrong modules too much cargo shouldn't die in this ship shouldn't have been there Many, many people use the internet to appease their egotistical need to point out where someone else is wrong. For a brief crystal shining moment the angst of the human condition is all heaped upon another as spectacle. Human sacrifice, bullfighting, combat bloodsports and the Eucharist all serve the same need. This is not what killboards are for though and those threads are garbage. I use killboard as an album of happy memories and as intel. Leave em alone. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
TigerXtrm KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1678	Posted - 2016.09.18 10:35:21 - [23] - Quote Come join Goonies. We don't care about killboards. We don't even HAVE a killboard My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums
baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Legion 18073	Posted - 2016.09.18 10:55:38 - [24] - Quote TigerXtrm wrote: Come join Goonies. We don't care about killboards. We don't even HAVE a killboard Back in my day the goon KB was the single most hated thing in the swarm.
The R00k Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2016.09.18 11:08:46 - [25] - Quote well i don't agree i think kill mails should be delayed by 24 hours and not show involved parties besides who dealt the final blow. Why??? because I fly with 3 killboards ready to check potential targets for how they fight.
Major Xadi Mercenary Logistics Ltd. 64	Posted - 2016.09.18 11:22:49 - [26] - Quote baltec1 wrote: The cowards who avoid PvP now are the same cowards that avoided PvP before killmails existed. Aw, c'mon now. Surely CCP has retained the subscriptions of some new cowards by now. But kinda on topic, I'd like to see the losses to pve removed. For instance, my losses to burners show up, and I'm thinking the KB should only record action between players.
baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Legion 18074	Posted - 2016.09.18 11:38:27 - [27] - Quote Major Xadi wrote: baltec1 wrote: The cowards who avoid PvP now are the same cowards that avoided PvP before killmails existed. Aw, c'mon now. Surely CCP has retained the subscriptions of some new cowards by now. But kinda on topic, I'd like to see the losses to pve removed. For instance, my losses to burners show up, and I'm thinking the KB should only record action between players. It didn't record that Red Alliance nyx loss to anom rats
Oliver Delorean Undiscovered Dimension 54	Posted - 2016.09.18 12:46:29 - [28] - Quote Iv been to goons, providence, spectre-fleet, mordus angels, now doing solo yolo, not belonging to any bigger group.... Iv played the game for 5-6 years now and all that time doing PvP. What I see is that people don't want to have fights that involve risk. Holding the kill till everyone is on the killmail, hold the pod - its everywhere! Why is that? Don't tell me its not cuz of people want to have that green line on the killboard. Main issue is: People don't want to have that red line and this holds back many interesting engagements. Do you agree? I think for CCP it would be smarter to find out the way where people find out the risk in the game itself, not letting people to use out of game tools (killboard) to find out the risk of the engagement.
Cara Forelli Better Off Red 2070	Posted - 2016.09.18 15:09:47 - [29] - Quote Geronimo McVain wrote: Do you REALLY need to know the fitting? Do you REALLY need the cargo? Do you REALLY need the name of the looser, in the killboard api that is, if you did it, you know him. Take a look at all these killmail-shame-threads on reddit. "Look at this looser he": had the wrong modules too much cargo shouldn't die in this ship shouldn't have been there been afk etc. Don't be a loser then. Want to talk? Join my channel in game: *House Forelli* Titan's Lament
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2885	Posted - 2016.09.18 15:25:59 - [30] - Quote Oliver Delorean wrote: Main issue is: People don't want to have that red line and this holds back many interesting engagements. Do you agree? I think for CCP it would be smarter to find out the way where people find out the risk in the game itself, not letting people to use out of game tools (killboard) to find out the risk of the engagement. Do you really believe people are willing to lose a fight and feed you with easy kills just because there is no public record of their dump move? On a personal note, I will always engage if I see a realistic chance of winning the fight, let's say 70%. Otherwise if I know I will lose, I will not engage, would be stupid otherwise. I'm my own NPC alt.
Geronimo McVain EVE University Ivy League 206	Posted - 2016.09.18 15:35:10 - [31] - Quote Cara Forelli wrote: Geronimo McVain wrote: Do you REALLY need to know the fitting? Do you REALLY need the cargo? Do you REALLY need the name of the looser, in the killboard api that is, if you did it, you know him. Take a look at all these killmail-shame-threads on reddit. "Look at this looser he": had the wrong modules too much cargo shouldn't die in this ship shouldn't have been there been afk etc. Don't be a loser then. So you just pick the fights that you WILL win instead the fights you MIGHT win -> exactly what the OP said.
Cara Forelli Better Off Red 2071	Posted - 2016.09.18 15:37:40 - [32] - Quote Geronimo McVain wrote: Cara Forelli wrote: Geronimo McVain wrote: Do you REALLY need to know the fitting? Do you REALLY need the cargo? Do you REALLY need the name of the looser, in the killboard api that is, if you did it, you know him. Take a look at all these killmail-shame-threads on reddit. "Look at this looser he": had the wrong modules too much cargo shouldn't die in this ship shouldn't have been there been afk etc. Don't be a loser then. So you just pick the fights that you WILL win instead the fights you MIGHT win -> exactly what the OP said. Nope. See most recent loss. I pick fights that are fun. But I have the attitude of a winner, so I'm never a loser. Want to talk? Join my channel in game: *House Forelli* Titan's Lament
Oliver Delorean Undiscovered Dimension 54	Posted - 2016.09.18 15:37:57 - [33] - Quote Tipa Riot wrote: Oliver Delorean wrote: Main issue is: People don't want to have that red line and this holds back many interesting engagements. Do you agree? I think for CCP it would be smarter to find out the way where people find out the risk in the game itself, not letting people to use out of game tools (killboard) to find out the risk of the engagement. Do you really believe people are willing to lose a fight and feed you with easy kills just because there is no public record of their dump move? On a personal note, I will always engage if I see a realistic chance of winning the fight, let's say 70%. Otherwise if I know I will lose, I will not engage, would be stupid otherwise. Look I have limited game time and I do take fights that I know I will most likely loose, otherwise I will fly around for hours before I find that one pilot with balls who's willing to take 50/50 chance.
Sky Marshal Core Industry. Circle-Of-Two 137	Posted - 2016.09.18 15:53:19 - [34] - Quote I do agree that killboards or any statistics in any game will hurt the said game in many ways if they are made public. Some players will be so focused on them that the ambiance in the game can become really terrible (Heroes of Newerth, etc.), some will cheat to satisfy their moro... I mean e-peen feeling (Counterstrike, etc.), many won't take any risks to get a bad history and so exclude themself from a large part of a game, etc. The real problem is that if you don't take care of your stats, someone will take care of them for you. You could be a willing player who want to do pvp even solo, but you can be refused by a corp/guild because you tried by yourself and get bad marks... In the case of EVE, I wonder if we would have more players who would leave high-sec systems and join null ones, if they had a way to hide their score. I was one of them and when API didn't exist, sometimes I didn't post my losses as I was reluctant to get bad marks. With time it didn't matter anymore and it become impossible anyway... but if I joined the game today, I wouldn't even try to go outside high-sec systems. So I think that if a player has the option to anonymise his lossmails, we would probably get more fights and more willing players to do pvp, even for the sake to fight a lost battle. But everything should have a cost and so if you anonymise your losses, your name won't be in the killmail too. In all cases, the name of the corporation/alliance should remain as killboards are an interresting intelligence tool. Yes, I know that I will never see that happen.
Geronimo McVain EVE University Ivy League 206	Posted - 2016.09.18 16:56:42 - [35] - Quote the thing is: What will change if your killboard that the corp can look up just shows your wins? You don't have any -> no pvp corp for you You have some wins but more looses (which the corp doesn't see)-> you can get into a PvP corp but maybe no l33t corp You have lots of wins and only minor losses -> l33t corp for you You have lots of wins and considerable losses because you are willing to take risks -> you can still get into a l33t corp In the end most losses don't hurt vets in any way, they've got the money for replacement but the hit on the killboard hurts much more so they don't pick tight fight to look as a superior fighter. The problem is: if they take risks they are still superior fighters but they will fall behind risk averse players on the killboard. IMHO CCP should look up the API information anyway: email should get out -> I really don't like the Orwell like scrutiny of the private e-mails. Thankfully E-Uni doesn't. market info should get out -> it's really bad that sides like central can extract more infos from the game as the ingame price check. Either make the ingame pricecheck galaxy wide or take the api infos out.
Christopher Mabata Sentinel Incorporium 425	Posted - 2016.09.18 17:14:58 - [36] - Quote Going with what someone else said killboards aren't just about keeping it green or red, its about the story and legacy of the pilot. Anytime i link the killmail where our Black Ops pilot shot someone who he thought was in corp (Wasn't) and got CONCORDED while i was the sole person in the fleet who thought to get on the kill our comms go from talking to howling laughter, given this killmail is years old now but still. GÖú Small Gang PVP, Large Fleet PVP, Black Ops, Incursions, Trade, and Industry GÖú 70% Lethal / 30% Super-Snuggly / 110% No idea what im doing GÖú This Message Brought to you by a sweet and sour bittervet
Big Lynx 7307	Posted - 2016.09.18 18:23:13 - [37] - Quote Killboards are like Bikinis. They show a lot but no the most important things...
Darth Terona Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 294	Posted - 2016.09.18 19:46:00 - [38] - Quote Op. Consider changing what you fly solo Things like Vagabonds and cyclones attract a lot of heat. Which means you will be fighting blobs a lot. Good news for you though, those ships are good at fighting blobs.
Vincent Pelletier Pelletier Imports and Exports 38	Posted - 2016.09.18 20:21:57 - [39] - Quote Oliver Delorean wrote: Look I have limited game time and I do take fights that I know I will most likely loose, otherwise I will fly around for hours before I find that one pilot with balls who's willing to take 50/50 chance. So all this is is just a "waah, people play differently from me" which makes it no different from any carebear who creates a whine thread about being killed and how "unfair" that is. And again, you fly a Svipul. Clearly you're not interested in 50/50 chance fights.
oiukhp Muvila School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 89	Posted - 2016.09.18 21:29:00 - [40] - Quote Oliver Delorean wrote: Killboards need to go! Why? It seriously hurts the game! People don't look for interesting fights anymore... 95% of the pvp is based on the "green killboard" Hold the pod!! What type of sh++t is this? Seriously! Get rid of all that: Look at my green killboard mentality and the game will be a lot better once again. Its probably is the biggest single problem in the game. KMs have been the source of some of the worst gameplay around. It really seems that Eve Pvp has really become "KM grind Online" at times.
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2887	Posted - 2016.09.18 21:46:49 - [41] - Quote Oliver Delorean wrote: Tipa Riot wrote: Oliver Delorean wrote: Main issue is: People don't want to have that red line and this holds back many interesting engagements. Do you agree? I think for CCP it would be smarter to find out the way where people find out the risk in the game itself, not letting people to use out of game tools (killboard) to find out the risk of the engagement. Do you really believe people are willing to lose a fight and feed you with easy kills just because there is no public record of their dump move? On a personal note, I will always engage if I see a realistic chance of winning the fight, let's say 70%. Otherwise if I know I will lose, I will not engage, would be stupid otherwise. Look I have limited game time and I do take fights that I know I will most likely loose, otherwise I will fly around for hours before I find that one pilot with balls who's willing to take 50/50 chance. Then make yourself an attractive target to shoot at ... like flying suspect in highsec running the Amarr event sides for example. 2 of 3 encounters engaged me today. First a Navy Vexor, I killed then a Gnosis coming for help that killed me, and finally in another site with new ship a Confessor where I had to bail with low shields. I'm my own NPC alt.
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14711	Posted - 2016.09.18 22:03:22 - [42] - Quote General Guardian wrote: A killboard is like a record of good memories. One players killboard can tell an entire story. Countless times my corp has had moments where we post some of our most idiotic losses or funniest kills in chat and told the story and had a good laugh. It's not just about epeen, but it's a history of your eve career. Where you were and what you did since you began. I definitely wouldn't play eve without the killboard. Same. In the last few days I've killed a couple Stratioses (Stratii, whatever) that came into my sights, using nothing more than my ratting ships. Their killmails are monuments to the law of Jenn, ie "though shalt not come between Jenn and a Shekel lest thy forfeit your life!" I also have my kill mail (loss mail) from when I decided to autopilot my Jump Freighter to jita while drunk.....and war decced.... Without killmails to help memorialize those kinds of events, I don't think I would be playing EVE.
oiukhp Muvila School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 89	Posted - 2016.09.18 22:12:49 - [43] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: General Guardian wrote: A killboard is like a record of good memories. One players killboard can tell an entire story. Countless times my corp has had moments where we post some of our most idiotic losses or funniest kills in chat and told the story and had a good laugh. It's not just about epeen, but it's a history of your eve career. Where you were and what you did since you began. I definitely wouldn't play eve without the killboard. Same. In the last few days I've killed a couple Stratioses (Stratii, whatever) that came into my sights, using nothing more than my ratting ships. Their killmails are monuments to the law of Jenn, ie "though shalt not come between Jenn and a Shekel lest thy forfeit your life!" I also have my kill mail (loss mail) from when I decided to autopilot my Jump Freighter to jita while drunk.....and war decced.... Without killmails to help memorialize those kinds of events, I don't think I would be playing EVE. I don't need KMs to remember the best times in this game. And if fact, many of the best battles I've been in don't even show up anymore. KMs are more of a distraction than a benefit.
Cara Forelli Better Off Red 2072	Posted - 2016.09.18 22:45:39 - [44] - Quote oiukhp Muvila wrote: I don't need KMs to remember the best times in this game. Killmails are for sharing memories. oiukhp Muvila wrote: KMs are more of a distraction than a benefit. Sounds like a personal problem. Want to talk? Join my channel in game: *House Forelli* Titan's Lament
Lafee Lafee Industries 0	Posted - 2016.09.18 23:51:04 - [45] - Quote Im fast as f**k boy!! Kill mail is kill mail. Mail is mail. I want my mail. You will not take my mail.
Oliver Delorean Undiscovered Dimension 57	Posted - 2016.09.19 00:30:18 - [46] - Quote oiukhp Muvila wrote: Its probably is the biggest single problem in the game. KMs have been the source of some of the worst gameplay around. It really seems that Eve Pvp has really become "KM grind Online" at times. Exactly! Vincent Pelletier wrote: And again, you fly a svipul. Clearly you're not interested in 50/50 chance fights. I don't know what you have against svipuls, but this fight was against another svipul and I lost it! No whining and it was good fight.
Cien Banchiere Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution 107	Posted - 2016.09.19 01:12:03 - [47] - Quote Good thing none of us use them to benchmark corp/alliance progress, get intel on enemy fleets, find potential targets, or use it as a historical point of reference. I mean, who'd want useful info?
Oliver Delorean Undiscovered Dimension 58	Posted - 2016.09.19 02:23:51 - [48] - Quote Cien Banchiere wrote: Good thing none of us use them to benchmark corp/alliance progress, get intel on enemy fleets, find potential targets, or use it as a historical point of reference. I mean, who'd want useful info? There you go... We should play more the game and find out the risk of engagement based on the situation in the game! Not seeking through the killboards. I'm not against benchmarking and stuff you mentioned but like it was said before: EvE online pvp has become "KM grind online"
baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Legion 18083	Posted - 2016.09.19 04:54:02 - [49] - Quote Oliver Delorean wrote: Cien Banchiere wrote: Good thing none of us use them to benchmark corp/alliance progress, get intel on enemy fleets, find potential targets, or use it as a historical point of reference. I mean, who'd want useful info? There you go... We should play more the game and find out the risk of engagement based on the situation in the game! Not seeking through the killboards. I'm not against benchmarking and stuff you mentioned but like it was said before: EvE online pvp has become "KM grind online" No it hasn't. The same people who you say wont engage because "oh no red KB" are the very same people who won't engage because of other made up reasons such as "oh no my implants".
Geronimo McVain EVE University Ivy League 207	Posted - 2016.09.19 05:57:56 - [50] - Quote There is a big difference between Killmail, for you and only for you, and a killboard open for all. There is nothing wrong with the killmail IMHO but with open Killboards. But Even in Killmails you don't need the fitting, cargo (but maybe your loot) or the name of the victim.
oiukhp Muvila School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 99	Posted - 2016.09.19 08:56:51 - [51] - Quote Oliver Delorean wrote: Cien Banchiere wrote: Good thing none of us use them to benchmark corp/alliance progress, get intel on enemy fleets, find potential targets, or use it as a historical point of reference. I mean, who'd want useful info? There you go... We should play more the game and find out the risk of engagement based on the situation in the game! Not seeking through the killboards. I'm not against benchmarking and stuff you mentioned but like it was said before: EvE online pvp has become "KM grind online" Yeah, Pirates little helper does take away a lot of the fear of the unknown at times. Its all in the name of a green KB though.
Avaelica Kuershin Paper Cats 283	Posted - 2016.09.19 09:17:13 - [52] - Quote IMO, the only problem is my KB doesn't show my sillier losses to NPCs. Otherwise, it's a good reminder of interesting times.
oiukhp Muvila School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 105	Posted - 2016.09.19 10:55:19 - [53] - Quote Avaelica Kuershin wrote: IMO, the only problem is my KB doesn't show my sillier losses to NPCs. Otherwise, it's a good reminder of interesting times. It would be great for an un-exportable personal record, but in its current form it supplies so much intel, and completely influences how and if Pvp even takes place. As well, many complain about orgs that frequently place limits when members can fly bling due to the concern for green KBs. That effects those in and outside the org since less bling is flying around than could be.
Hilti Enaka State War Academy Caldari State 116	Posted - 2016.09.19 11:32:30 - [54] - Quote Oliver Delorean wrote: Killboards need to go! Why? It seriously hurts the game! People don't look for interesting fights anymore... 95% of the pvp is based on the "green killboard" Hold the pod!! What type of sh++t is this? Seriously! Get rid of all that: Look at my green killboard mentality and the game will be a lot better once again. Completely agree - they are serving the wrong purpose and i heard the other day "you fail because your KB is red"..... I'd prefer to have badges and some sort of incentives to pvp because KB's teach us nothing but K/D ratio.
Merchant Rova Pathway to the Next 25	Posted - 2016.09.19 13:24:27 - [55] - Quote someone is salty.... P-NXT is recruiting
Lady Ayeipsia Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 1195	Posted - 2016.09.19 13:29:12 - [56] - Quote Hilti Enaka wrote: Oliver Delorean wrote: Killboards need to go! Why? It seriously hurts the game! People don't look for interesting fights anymore... 95% of the pvp is based on the "green killboard" Hold the pod!! What type of sh++t is this? Seriously! Get rid of all that: Look at my green killboard mentality and the game will be a lot better once again. Completely agree - they are serving the wrong purpose and i heard the other day "you fail because your KB is red"..... I'd prefer to have badges and some sort of incentives to pvp because KB's teach us nothing but K/D ratio. Why care if your killboard is Red? Sounds like you are letting the opinion of others dictate how you play. Why?
Zanar Skwigelf Boa Innovations Brothers of Tangra 40	Posted - 2016.09.19 13:33:38 - [57] - Quote It seems like OP has a problem with holding the pod instead of killboards. As for killboarda, they are an incredibly useful tool for learning what equipment to build in null. Without them I'd have no idea what to build beyond super obvious stuff.
Oliver Delorean Undiscovered Dimension 60	Posted - 2016.09.19 13:58:41 - [58] - Quote Hold the pod is very good example how important it is for some people to get that green line! Clearly shooting the pod isn't so interesting that everyone would like to get involved with that.... Once again: The time iv played the game, 5 years 90% PvP, it feels for me that killbord stats are holding back a quite big group of people from getting involved with risky fights. The main idea for this forum topic is to improve the game. Not whining over my losses and wins.
Yarosara Ruil 619	Posted - 2016.09.19 14:04:10 - [59] - Quote I'd PvP a lot more if with each loss I didn't get the name of my killer chiseled down on my character sheet for all eternity. Or have several sites on the internet keeping track of everything I lose. Why should everyone know that a guy named hurgmurflUr killed me in Delve on the 2nd of May? Why should my character be forever associated with a guy named hurgmurflUr? Why is hurgmurflUr on my character sheet? And why should my losses by target of the scrutiny of every single EVE player that decides to look up my information? Losing a ship is something I can move on from and learn from it. But hurgmurflUr's taste for character naming will forever haunt my nightmares.
Lady Ayeipsia Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 1195	Posted - 2016.09.19 14:29:40 - [60] - Quote Oliver Delorean wrote: Hold the pod is very good example how important it is for some people to get that green line! Clearly shooting the pod isn't so interesting that everyone would like to get involved with that.... Once again: The time iv played the game, 5 years 90% PvP, it feels for me that killbord stats are holding back a quite big group of people from getting involved with risky fights. The main idea for this forum topic is to improve the game. Not whining over my losses and wins. But is this truly what is holding back people or is it just one excuzebthey have thrown up to avoid risk of change. I have never heard some one say on Comms... I'd like to PvP but I'm afraid my poor killboard stats will embarrass me. Nor have I heard anyone say... My poor killboard stats will prevent me from joining X. Generally, I Have only heard two groups care about killboard and those tend to be risk adverse people using it as an excuse (and if you eliminate killboard they will find another excuse) and wanna-bes who don't really get how killboards work who get way too excited about a green killboard without realizing all it takes is to sneak onto one capital kill to get a green killboard for months. Rather the best way to encourage PvP is to reduce costs. Eliminate the biggest risk. Now I am not advocating a reduction in manufacturing costs. Those seem fine. Rather the OP and others who want more PvP people should spend time running and funding free PvP events. Take an open fleet through null and give out free frigs before hand. Help reimburse a spectre fleet or bomber's bar op. Join RvB and host a free frigate FFA. See if you can do a PvP course for eve uni where you offer free ships. Find a way to reduce the cost risk and you will find people will try PvP.
Lady Ayeipsia Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 1196	Posted - 2016.09.19 14:33:58 - [61] - Quote As for holding the pod, don't assume it is just for the green killboard. Rather it is so people get on a kill. After all, that is what people want with PvP... Good fights and getting kills. Holding a pod so people can get on it is just an extension of the latter. People joined a fleet for kills, holding the pod gives them one more chance for a kill. That's not quite the same as a green killboard. Even if there was no killboard and only a ticket saying... You assisted in killing X ships, people would still hold the pod.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 7906	Posted - 2016.09.19 14:36:47 - [62] - Quote Yarosara Ruil wrote: I'd PvP a lot more if with each loss I didn't get the name of my killer chiseled down on my character sheet for all eternity. Or have several sites on the internet keeping track of everything I lose. Why should everyone know that a guy named hurgmurflUr killed me in Delve on the 2nd of May? Why should my character be forever associated with a guy named hurgmurflUr? Why is hurgmurflUr on my character sheet? And why should my losses by target of the scrutiny of every single EVE player that decides to look up my information? Losing a ship is something I can move on from and learn from it. But hurgmurflUr's taste for character naming will forever haunt my nightmares. Well now that's just terrible. If we remove names from KMs, it might save you the horror of having someone with an awful name recorded as having killed you, but it would also rob you of the privilege and honour of having my name listed as someone who's killed you. You'd be throwing the baby out with the bathwater. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Lady Ayeipsia Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 1196	Posted - 2016.09.19 14:54:56 - [63] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Yarosara Ruil wrote: I'd PvP a lot more if with each loss I didn't get the name of my killer chiseled down on my character sheet for all eternity. Or have several sites on the internet keeping track of everything I lose. Why should everyone know that a guy named hurgmurflUr killed me in Delve on the 2nd of May? Why should my character be forever associated with a guy named hurgmurflUr? Why is hurgmurflUr on my character sheet? And why should my losses by target of the scrutiny of every single EVE player that decides to look up my information? Losing a ship is something I can move on from and learn from it. But hurgmurflUr's taste for character naming will forever haunt my nightmares. Well now that's just terrible. If we remove names from KMs, it might save you the horror of having someone with an awful name recorded as having killed you, but it would also rob you of the privilege and honour of having my name listed as someone who's killed you. You'd be throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Having been killed by Remiel, I have to say it is quite the honor.
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 2322	Posted - 2016.09.19 17:10:25 - [64] - Quote If you don't care about killboards, why are you so butthurt about people holding pods? "Help, I'm bored with missions!" http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Tristan Valentina Moira. Villore Accords 61	Posted - 2016.09.19 17:32:23 - [65] - Quote As someone with a super red Killboard I say it needs to stay. It is my pride that I have flown so many ships to there end.
ISD Max Trix isd community communications liaisons 372	Posted - 2016.09.19 18:13:31 - [66] - Quote Forum Rules of Conduct wrote: 3. Ranting is prohibited. A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents. # Thread Closed. ISD Max Trix Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department *I do not respond to Evemails.*

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