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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
175
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Posted - 2016.09.21 14:26:37 -
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Geronimo McVain wrote:Toobo wrote:Think of it this way - what would you do if you were the leader of corp/alliance that owns hundreds of billions (or even trillions) of assets in space and in corp hangars. What would you do if a single high level traitor can lead your super cap and titan fleet to a certain death trap.
I don't like API thing eiher, but paranoia is easily understandable. Likr I said in previous post, in my corp anyone who has a role that can hurt the corp is a RL friend whom we can gank IRL if sh*ts go wrong.
Disclaimer: we never violenced anyone IRL because of in game stuff. Saying this just so we don't get reported lol. Tell me: do you really think that you can catch someone so high up by checking his API? Goons had to set up an elaborated computer trap to find the snitch director. To check what you can fly is okay. Where you get and give your money too. But what do you want with the emails? Do you really think a spy will communicate with the other corp over ingame mail?
No. I definitely do not think API help in catching such potential problems, and I personally do not like API request at all and think it doesn't offer level of security that a corp/alliance needs. Only thing it's good for is extremely basic stuff.
What I said was said to help casual applicants to corps/alliance understand that paranoia is necessary for these entities. I agree with you that API is not a serious solution. My point was just that paranoia is justified, but maybr API is not the best answer.
Toobo is a lucky talisman - use Toobo's referral for IWI and you too can be lucky. ;)
Programers/Designers Wanted
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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
855
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Posted - 2016.09.21 14:28:23 -
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OK seriously - trolling/insults aside:
There is no real danger in giving your API to people. Some of us are uncomfortable with the principle of the matter - but realistically it isn't like they can't find out 99% of the information from other sources with a little extra work if they care enough anyway. The only possible exception to this is your eve-mails... But #1 you probably shouldn't be discussing anything too private in game anyway - use out of game email to talk to your friends/family about personal subjects, #2 You can always *delete* your emails - I don't believe the API keeps archives if you delete them fully in game, they should vanish from the API within an hour or so at most, and #3 They could probably scrape half the eve-mails from the *other party's* API keys if they cared *enough* to put in the required effort.
So if you find a group you really want to join, and they require a full API key for some reason - rest assured, they probably won't even use it, and even if they do it isn't going to tell them anything they can't learn anyway.
That being said - there is also no ****ing reason that anybody other than the super-serious or "elite" groups in EVE ever actually *needs* your API key for any valid reason either. AWOXing doesn't exist anymore, and clean accounts for spies are trivial to create these days. So if you are like me and you really don't like giving out extra information of any sort - just don't. There are still plenty of very good groups out there that either won't ask for your API or won't notice if you never bother to give it to them. It just takes a little extra searching.
But complaining about the API requirement is silly - they can run their corp however they want, and it is our *choice* not to cooperate.
As for the OP's idea that they'll get jealous... Let them That is their own fault 
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Lacori
Forum Alts Anonymous
21
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Posted - 2016.09.21 14:34:36 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:As for the OP's idea that they'll get jealous... Let them  That is their own fault 
Yes. All of this.  |

Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
856
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Posted - 2016.09.21 14:35:24 -
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Lan Wang wrote:stealing your insults? ok poppet, tell ya what jump on your main account instead of acting big from a forum alt you are starting to look pathetic  Oooh, jump on my main eh? Yeah...never heard that one before... 
People like you are a large part of why I prefer using an obvious forum alt honestly - I love watching how much it bothers you, as if it makes any difference.
Even if I posted with my main the worst you could do would be an empty war-dec....but simply by posting on my forum alt I'm winning the psychological war by denying you even that.
Rest assured though my main (and most of my alts) have clean API keys and excellent combat records - I'm sure I could get through the recruitment process to join *your* corp (assuming it is recruiting). Wouldn't that be fun? Don't worry though, I'm not going to bother. Probably... 
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
412
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Posted - 2016.09.21 14:46:36 -
[95] - Quote
Dirty Forum Alt wrote:OK seriously - trolling/insults aside: There is no real danger in giving your API to people. Some of us are uncomfortable with the principle of the matter - but realistically it isn't like they can't find out 99% of the information from other sources with a little extra work if they care enough anyway. The only possible exception to this is your eve-mails... But #1 you probably shouldn't be discussing anything too private in game anyway - use out of game email to talk to your friends/family about personal subjects, #2 You can always *delete* your emails - I don't believe the API keeps archives if you delete them fully in game, they should vanish from the API within an hour or so at most, and #3 They could probably scrape half the eve-mails from the *other party's* API keys if they cared *enough* to put in the required effort. So if you find a group you really want to join, and they require a full API key for some reason - rest assured, they probably won't even use it, and even if they do it isn't going to tell them anything they can't learn anyway. That being said - there is also no ****ing reason that anybody other than the super-serious or "elite" groups in EVE ever actually *needs* your API key for any valid reason either. AWOXing doesn't exist anymore, and clean accounts for spies are trivial to create these days. So if you are like me and you really don't like giving out extra information of any sort - just don't. There are still plenty of very good groups out there that either won't ask for your API or won't notice if you never bother to give it to them. It just takes a little extra searching. But complaining about the API requirement is silly - they can run their corp however they want, and it is our *choice* not to cooperate. As for the OP's idea that they'll get jealous... Let them  That is their own fault  They might be able to piece together the details of what this character does, and they might figure out what the other two have been doing. They will have a little more trouble putting the other two with this one without an API key.
A signature :o
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14730
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Posted - 2016.09.21 14:46:48 -
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Lan Wang has a point, it's childish to get all holier than thou about api key privacy while hiding behind a forum posting alt. If you have nothing to hide, why not post with your main? |

Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
856
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Posted - 2016.09.21 14:52:30 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Lan Wang has a point, it's childish to get all holier than thou about api key privacy while hiding behind a forum posting alt. If you have nothing to hide, why not post with your main? Umm...Nobody read the parts where I've repeatedly said I don't even give out my API key except on my dedicated AWOXing alt - who isn't even active anymore?
*You Guys/Gals* are the people who claim to have nothing to hide. I've been openly hiding things from the beginning. That makes *the rest of you* the hypocrites for hiding things now - not me for continuing to do what I've been openly advocating the entire time.
See what I mean? 
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
856
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Posted - 2016.09.21 14:58:37 -
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Shallanna Yassavi wrote:They might be able to piece together the details of what this character does, and they might figure out what the other two have been doing. They will have a little more trouble putting the other two with this one without an API key. True, but it can still be done. Also that is information you get even with a basic blank key - the point being that checking all the boxes to make it a "full" key doesn't really add much.
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Lan Wang
C.Q.B Snuffed Out
3484
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Posted - 2016.09.21 15:10:16 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Lan Wang wrote:stealing your insults? ok poppet, tell ya what jump on your main account instead of acting big from a forum alt you are starting to look pathetic  Oooh, jump on my main eh? Yeah...never heard that one before...  People like you are a large part of why I prefer using an obvious forum alt honestly - I love watching how much it bothers you, as if it makes any difference. Even if I posted with my main the worst you could do would be an empty war-dec....but simply by posting on my forum alt I'm winning the psychological war by denying you even that. Rest assured though my main (and most of my alts) have clean API keys and excellent combat records - I'm sure I could get through the recruitment process to join *your* corp (assuming it is recruiting). Wouldn't that be fun? Don't worry though, I'm not going to bother. Probably... 
first off, people like me? yet "you" are the one who started insults, so "you" are the reason you hide behind alts
2nd, if its just an empty wardec then post on your main.
3rd, because we dont want to hand our api's to some random potty mouthed forum alt doesn't mean we have anything to hide.
4th, join my corp, do you think that would actually bother me?
get off your high horse forum alt you're starting to look stupid
Loyalist to Angel Cartel
Your killboard reads like a "how to get farmed 101" - Noah Reese
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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
856
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Posted - 2016.09.21 15:21:53 -
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Lan & Others - My initial post demanding your API keys was clearly sarcastic, not serious.
If anyone was dumb enough to actually send me their API key in response to it I'd have been shocked.
Since you started yelling at me over it - yes, I've been trolling you. It is a bad habit I know, but I couldn't resist 
However since the conversation is literally just going in circles now and your sarcasm detector seems to be broken, just figured I'd explicitly clue you in...
As for posting on my main - Go **** yourself. I don't give away free intel to anybody, and I really do enjoy watching how much it bothers you. Deal with it or get off the forums until my account expires. 3 more weeks to go.
edit: Oh - and "people like you" means people who get all bothered and upset by people posting on alts. I enjoy watching you squirm and cry. Yes, I'm probably a bad person. Oh well. 
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Aaron Kabashiz
New Corporate Order Explicit Associates
0
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Posted - 2016.09.21 15:25:46 -
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Lacori wrote:Aaron Kabashiz wrote:To OP, remeber that API can be deleted and made new. As soon as a Corp ask you for full API and you give it to them they will check. After check just delete it and create a new one, they will never know what you do after you gave it.
Hope I explained, not english speaker here. Clearly you don't have the same experience as I. Here is the exact corp mandate from a corp I joined (for about five minutes). I especially like the last one. Have fun, with whatever privacy we've left you with. This was a 30 man corp. When I logged, only 5 had been online within the last month. Only I was online, four of the five times I logged in. The one time I did log when someone else was on, there was only one other toon who had joined the day after me. I waved. He said nothing.
Jeez, sure I wouldn't join a corp like that, we just check for skills and if bought or not and other few things, just few days ago a guy joined and his char was bought, he told us in advance so no problem.
But we are a small indy corp, we don't need all that security :) |

Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
569
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Posted - 2016.09.21 15:46:24 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Elenahina wrote:Toobo wrote:Think of it this way - what would you do if you were the leader of corp/alliance that owns hundreds of billions (or even trillions) of assets in space and in corp hangars. What would you do if a single high level traitor can lead your super cap and titan fleet to a certain death trap.
I don't like API thing eiher, but paranoia is easily understandable. Likr I said in previous post, in my corp anyone who has a role that can hurt the corp is a RL friend whom we can gank IRL if sh*ts go wrong.
Disclaimer: we never violenced anyone IRL because of in game stuff. Saying this just so we don't get reported lol. Never trust anyone in Eve you can't kick in the nuts in real life. Some of the most trustworthy players I know in the game don't have any nuts to kick. They're awesome people though.
If you're talking about some castrated people that play Eve well then i guess so but let me say getting hooved in the front butt aint exactly the best feeling either. 
@lunettelulu7
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Lacori
Forum Alts Anonymous
21
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Posted - 2016.09.21 15:57:59 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote: 3 more weeks to go.
Naturally you're making me CEO, right? |

Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
856
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Posted - 2016.09.21 16:05:45 -
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Lacori wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote: 3 more weeks to go.
Naturally you're making me CEO, right? You never know - but the other member was actually here before you, so they have seniority... 
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Lacori
Forum Alts Anonymous
21
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Posted - 2016.09.21 17:02:30 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Lacori wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote: 3 more weeks to go.
Naturally you're making me CEO, right? You never know - but the other member was actually here before you, so they have seniority... 
Ah thanks, but I was kidding. Nah this fella's heading for the great Biomass in the sky, sadly. He's done his thing and now can't continue to preclude my main from corp access. Shame really, but such is the nature of the whole API thing.
I wish you luck in whatever you do after Eve. Hope you can still post as an Alpha  |

Lan Wang
C.Q.B Snuffed Out
3485
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Posted - 2016.09.21 17:05:23 -
[106] - Quote
Lacori wrote:Hope you can still post as an Alpha 
hope not...
Loyalist to Angel Cartel
Your killboard reads like a "how to get farmed 101" - Noah Reese
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18129
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Posted - 2016.09.21 17:26:07 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Lacori wrote:Hope you can still post as an Alpha  hope not...
Their shitposts will blot out the mods. |

Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
857
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Posted - 2016.09.21 17:33:08 -
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baltec1 wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Lacori wrote:Hope you can still post as an Alpha  hope not... Their shitposts will blot out the mods. Even if I can it won't be until November, so at least you'll get a month without me 
I dunno if I'll even come back to check in all honesty though - we'll see what other games/forums I find 
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
498
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Posted - 2016.09.21 18:05:42 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Nat Silverguard wrote:The pointlessness of crying about giving out full API keys Exactly - so send yours over 
i have no qualms in giving my full API out, but i didn't say i'll give it for free. 
Just Add Water
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Morgan Agrivar
Divine Bovine Security Services
527
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Posted - 2016.09.22 00:22:09 -
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I refuse to give a full API unless the person asking me gives me theirs to show trust between us. That is why I am not with any merc corporation or nullsec entity.
This would cure me of the fear...
CCP Explorer liked you forum post. Now my life is complete...
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Serene Repose
3025
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Posted - 2016.09.22 06:59:13 -
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Forgive them for they assuredly know not what they do...are...and are talking about. Blessed be the ones who talk anyway....
...three names leap to mind. I'm sure you've seen them enough. Digital nailbiting at its finest.
We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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Gneeznow
Ship spinners inc
173
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Posted - 2016.09.22 09:57:52 -
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Lacori wrote:Aaron Kabashiz wrote:To OP, remeber that API can be deleted and made new. As soon as a Corp ask you for full API and you give it to them they will check. After check just delete it and create a new one, they will never know what you do after you gave it.
Hope I explained, not english speaker here. Clearly you don't have the same experience as I. Here is the exact corp mandate from a corp I joined (for about five minutes). Quote:1) Full APIs will be disclosed to the Recruiter. Do not disclose your API to anyone other than corpmembers who bear the title 'Recruiter'. Any will suffice for this purpose.
2) By Full API, we mean FULL ACCOUNT APIs, with EVERY highlightable field CHECKED in EVERY CATEGORY for EVERY CHARACTER on the account. Your details will be checked and if a SINGLE field has not been checked, your application will be rejected.
3) We will then study your API for a period of no more than three days, assessing your skills, financial situation and communication and/or trades with other players. If you have gives ISK or created contracts with other players, we will need details about them also. Failure to divulge this information will result in your application being rejected.
4) If you run more than one account we will require the FULL ACCOUNT APIs on ALL of these accounts, to see how you interact with the characters on these accounts. If you fail to divulge this information and we subsequently discover that you are using multiple accounts, be it by a conversation, contract or direct trade, your corp membership will be IMMEDIATELY terminated. If you have roles at this point, the roles will be IMMEDIATELY terminated and you will be dismissed from the corp at the very earliest opportunity.
5) Your API credentials will be checked on a DAILY basis by a rota of moderators. We check every member and if we fail to get access to the API of any particular character your corp membership will be REVOKED INSTANTLY, without explanation.
6) We require your IP address so we can check for nefarious behaviour on systems that run outside of the game client, such as Mumble, Jabber, Teamspeak, Discord and other third-party voice communication software. If you are knowingly aware at any point that your IP address has changed, please inform us at the earliest opportunity.
7) We require details of ALL profiles used on forums pertaining to Eve Online, excluding your own personal social media accounts and forum profiles not affiliated with Eve Online.
8) Teamspeak is mandatory. We expect you to log in to it simultaneously when you run your Eve Online client. If you are found to be running your Eve client without running your TS client within five minutes of logging, one of our corp moderators will initiate a conversation with you. Similarly we ask that you do not run your TS client without running Eve also.
9) Fly safe and have fun :) We are always here to help I especially like the last one. Have fun, with whatever privacy we've left you with. This was a 30 man corp. When I logged, only 5 had been online within the last month. Only I was online, four of the five times I logged in. The one time I did log when someone else was on, there was only one other toon who had joined the day after me. I waved. He said nothing.
This is hilarious, name and shame please |

Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1228
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Posted - 2016.09.22 10:15:38 -
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Lacori wrote:Quote:1) Full APIs will be disclosed to the Recruiter. Do not disclose your API to anyone other than corpmembers who bear the title 'Recruiter'. Any will suffice for this purpose.
2) By Full API, we mean FULL ACCOUNT APIs, with EVERY highlightable field CHECKED in EVERY CATEGORY for EVERY CHARACTER on the account. Your details will be checked and if a SINGLE field has not been checked, your application will be rejected.
3) We will then study your API for a period of no more than three days, assessing your skills, financial situation and communication and/or trades with other players. If you have gives ISK or created contracts with other players, we will need details about them also. Failure to divulge this information will result in your application being rejected.
4) If you run more than one account we will require the FULL ACCOUNT APIs on ALL of these accounts, to see how you interact with the characters on these accounts. If you fail to divulge this information and we subsequently discover that you are using multiple accounts, be it by a conversation, contract or direct trade, your corp membership will be IMMEDIATELY terminated. If you have roles at this point, the roles will be IMMEDIATELY terminated and you will be dismissed from the corp at the very earliest opportunity.
5) Your API credentials will be checked on a DAILY basis by a rota of moderators. We check every member and if we fail to get access to the API of any particular character your corp membership will be REVOKED INSTANTLY, without explanation.
6) We require your IP address so we can check for nefarious behaviour on systems that run outside of the game client, such as Mumble, Jabber, Teamspeak, Discord and other third-party voice communication software. If you are knowingly aware at any point that your IP address has changed, please inform us at the earliest opportunity.
7) We require details of ALL profiles used on forums pertaining to Eve Online, excluding your own personal social media accounts and forum profiles not affiliated with Eve Online.
8) Teamspeak is mandatory. We expect you to log in to it simultaneously when you run your Eve Online client. If you are found to be running your Eve client without running your TS client within five minutes of logging, one of our corp moderators will initiate a conversation with you. Similarly we ask that you do not run your TS client without running Eve also.
9) Fly safe and have fun :) We are always here to help
Let's see. 1) Sure, whatever. 2) No ****. Though I would be tempted to leave a random field unchecked just to see if they actually pay attention. 3) How am I supposed to give you information on the random newbro I gave ISK to because I wanted to help a brother out? 4) No, **** off. 5) LOLOL. Remind me never to apply for that job. 6) No, **** off. 7) No, **** off. 8) And I ask that you **** off. 9) I will have fun. Without your corp.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
18060
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Posted - 2016.09.22 10:40:17 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:It's because it puts in a minimum level of effort to awox a corp. Like you say, if you're going to to it you'd probably just make another account and skill up an alt. Without an API key you just join with whatever old character and go awox crazy, but with API checks you have to create a new character, fund him without trading or transferring isk, then use him to awox. It's not a magic bullet, but used with other forms of security it means that someone who decides to awox you has to really want to do it.
And with the api it is a trivial matter to verify that the application is not an alpha
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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ACESsiggy
Pandemic Horde Inc.
60
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Posted - 2016.09.22 10:49:52 -
[115] - Quote
Soon they'll ask for social security numbers and credit card info lol=ƒÿÆ
GÇ£The open-minded see the truth in different things: the narrow-minded see only the differences.GÇ¥
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
18061
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Posted - 2016.09.22 10:55:10 -
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Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Lan & Others - My initial post demanding your API keys was clearly sarcastic, not serious. If anyone was dumb enough to actually send me their API key in response to it I'd have been shocked. Since you started yelling at me over it - yes, I've been trolling you. It is a bad habit I know, but I couldn't resist  However since the conversation is literally just going in circles now and your sarcasm detector seems to be broken, just figured I'd explicitly clue you in... As for posting on my main - Go **** yourself. I don't give away free intel to anybody, and I really do enjoy watching how much it bothers you. Deal with it or get off the forums until my account expires. 3 more weeks to go. edit: Oh - and "people like you" means people who get all bothered and upset by people posting on alts. I enjoy watching you squirm and cry. Yes, I'm probably a bad person. Oh well. 
Free Intel 
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
862
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Posted - 2016.09.22 12:04:41 -
[117] - Quote
Serene Repose wrote:Forgive them for they assuredly know not what they do...are...and are talking about. Blessed be the ones who talk anyway....
...three names leap to mind. I'm sure you've seen them enough. Digital nailbiting at its finest. 3 names eh?
Does that mean your character has a middle name we don't know about?
Because, once again, you feel the irresistible urge to submit a post that literally says *nothing at all* - just so you can pretend you are smart or relevant...while complaining about people doing exactly that.
You are still the biggest hypocrite in all of EVE.
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
862
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Posted - 2016.09.22 12:20:11 -
[118] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Dirty Forum Alt wrote:Lan & Others - My initial post demanding your API keys was clearly sarcastic, not serious. If anyone was dumb enough to actually send me their API key in response to it I'd have been shocked. Since you started yelling at me over it - yes, I've been trolling you. It is a bad habit I know, but I couldn't resist  However since the conversation is literally just going in circles now and your sarcasm detector seems to be broken, just figured I'd explicitly clue you in... As for posting on my main - Go **** yourself. I don't give away free intel to anybody, and I really do enjoy watching how much it bothers you. Deal with it or get off the forums until my account expires. 3 more weeks to go. edit: Oh - and "people like you" means people who get all bothered and upset by people posting on alts. I enjoy watching you squirm and cry. Yes, I'm probably a bad person. Oh well.  Free Intel  Lol, OK, maybe a little 
But to be fair it isn't very useful in finding out who I am... And you don't even know if it is true or not 
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
18064
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Posted - 2016.09.22 12:40:00 -
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I think you grossly overestimate how much people care. I have taken no trouble whatsoever to avoid antagonizing people with my opinions for a decade on these forums, and have never been troubled in turn. Quite the reverse.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Dirty Forum Alt
Forum Alts Anonymous
862
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Posted - 2016.09.22 13:10:36 -
[120] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:I think you grossly overestimate how much people care. I have taken no trouble whatsoever to avoid antagonizing people with my opinions for a decade on these forums, and have never been troubled in turn. Quite the reverse. So...your problem with me...is that I'm not offensive *enough* to people, and I post things to *stop* antagonizing them?
The dead swans lay in the stagnant pool.
They lay. They rotted. They turned
Around occasionally.
Bits of flesh dropped off them from
Time to time.
And sank into the pool's mire.
They also smelt a great deal.
Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings (Sussex)
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