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Serene Repose
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Posted - 2016.09.22 07:31:19 -
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Toobo wrote:I think Rorq bait will be a thing. Rorq gets tackled, cyno open, defence fleet jumps in, the attacker opens his own cyno, things can escalate quickly and it will be great. There are many cases where pvp fleet sits idle in a POS with titan ready to bridge while hunters are looking for good hot drop opportunities. Then someone will scream in the comms, "Yes! we got our Rorqual tackled! Enemy cyno open and caps dropping in! jump jump jump!!!"
Then there will be such a joy and people will cyno to Rorqual to get the contents they have been waiting for hours. Everyone will be happy :D think positive, this could be a fun change. You can't be serious! Actually play EVE! Where ever did you get such an idea?!
We must accommodate the idiocracy.
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3942
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Posted - 2016.09.22 15:38:15 -
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I think the OP's point is that to get boosts in the belt, someone has to be sitting at the computer, controlling the Rorq. That person has to be there, at the keyboard, continuously, to quickly respond to threats. For hours and hours. The problem is not "no security" its that having security makes for an extremely poor gameplay experience for the Rorq pilot. So, the Rorq pilots will not do it, and boosts are lost.
CCP: this is a valid issue. Having a game mechanic that requires someone sit at a keyboard doing nothing for hours on end is a poor mechanic.
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Zanar Skwigelf
Boa Innovations Brothers of Tangra
43
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Posted - 2016.09.22 15:51:28 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:I think the OP's point is that to get boosts in the belt, someone has to be sitting at the computer, controlling the Rorq. That person has to be there, at the keyboard, continuously, to quickly respond to threats. For hours and hours. The problem is not "no security" its that having security makes for an extremely poor gameplay experience for the Rorq pilot. So, the Rorq pilots will not do it, and boosts are lost.
CCP: this is a valid issue. Having a game mechanic that requires someone sit at a keyboard doing nothing for hours on end is a poor mechanic.
Who said the rorq won't be actively mining? |

Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3942
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Posted - 2016.09.22 16:06:07 -
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Zanar Skwigelf wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:I think the OP's point is that to get boosts in the belt, someone has to be sitting at the computer, controlling the Rorq. That person has to be there, at the keyboard, continuously, to quickly respond to threats. For hours and hours. The problem is not "no security" its that having security makes for an extremely poor gameplay experience for the Rorq pilot. So, the Rorq pilots will not do it, and boosts are lost.
CCP: this is a valid issue. Having a game mechanic that requires someone sit at a keyboard doing nothing for hours on end is a poor mechanic. Who said the rorq won't be actively mining? CCP?
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Zanar Skwigelf
Boa Innovations Brothers of Tangra
43
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Posted - 2016.09.22 17:25:08 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Zanar Skwigelf wrote:
Who said the rorq won't be actively mining?
CCP?
Where did they say that? I'm curious why they put capital mining drones on SISI if the rorq is only boosting. Also, is there something in the description that says miner iis can't be fit on the rorq? |

baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18155
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Posted - 2016.09.22 17:28:35 -
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Piugattuk wrote:You can use a drake in place of a Roc, to me it's for years people have said risk vs rewards well guess CCP has taken that advice and have added more risk for the more juicier rewards of fancy roids.
But they were also benevolent in that instead of only orcas and roc's you could use a battle cruiser, so thank CCP for being nice.
FC can I bring a drake? |

Arronicus
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Badfellas Inc.
1514
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Posted - 2016.09.22 17:29:14 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Zanar Skwigelf wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:I think the OP's point is that to get boosts in the belt, someone has to be sitting at the computer, controlling the Rorq. That person has to be there, at the keyboard, continuously, to quickly respond to threats. For hours and hours. The problem is not "no security" its that having security makes for an extremely poor gameplay experience for the Rorq pilot. So, the Rorq pilots will not do it, and boosts are lost.
CCP: this is a valid issue. Having a game mechanic that requires someone sit at a keyboard doing nothing for hours on end is a poor mechanic. Who said the rorq won't be actively mining? CCP?
There's been data on new capital sized mining drones in the client info lately. I think many of us are very much under the impression you'll be able to use them to mine with your roq. |

Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
449
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Posted - 2016.09.22 18:12:51 -
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Arronicus wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Zanar Skwigelf wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:I think the OP's point is that to get boosts in the belt, someone has to be sitting at the computer, controlling the Rorq. That person has to be there, at the keyboard, continuously, to quickly respond to threats. For hours and hours. The problem is not "no security" its that having security makes for an extremely poor gameplay experience for the Rorq pilot. So, the Rorq pilots will not do it, and boosts are lost.
CCP: this is a valid issue. Having a game mechanic that requires someone sit at a keyboard doing nothing for hours on end is a poor mechanic. Who said the rorq won't be actively mining? CCP? There's been data on new capital sized mining drones in the client info lately. I think many of us are very much under the impression you'll be able to use them to mine with your roq.
those drones will not have a yield that would outperform.. say.. a Capital Mining laser.. which shows just how detached and stupid, yes i said stupid ccp is for not giving the rorqual pilot a chance to finally mine...
its a capital industrial ship and look what they come up with it!!!!!... they have no idea what this ship should do.. they dont know!, all cause they've seen a few battle rorqs in the field.. thats why there's so much lacking in content for the rorqual now.
the rorqual should be the most powerful mining ship in the game.. not some lame booster only asset with funky little drones that are ripoffs from transformers that wont provide enough protection at all for her.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
18075
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Posted - 2016.09.22 19:06:05 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:I once again have to ask if I can call my activities to collect space resources from asteroids something other than mining because the OP is embarrassing everyone who thinks themselves a miner. So let me see, your Roq is no longer a totally safe thing to make you "boosted". OK, so. Everyone mining today without a Roq raise your hand. Bonus if you are doing it without any "boost". How oh how are so many of us surviving this clearly unfair disadvantage? Seriously, if this is going to drive you all out of Eve, awesome, be gone you lazy whiner miners!
I am going to try again to explain why Eve is special. It is complicated and mostly free form. Instead of the traditional machine based NPC AI driving it all, Eve makes you "compete" with other humans, which sometimes are clever and driven. They will learn to adapt and optimize no matter what changes may be thrown into the sandbox. If you don't like that then Eve is not for you. There is no "easy" setting in Eve. That is why it continues to keep people engaged.
So I might not always like changes in some mechanics but I adapt and realize that is why I like the challenge. To be honest its when I see changes that maybe put us closer to that "easy" setting that I worry. Not that I don't think there should be some places in Eve that can almost be "easy". That should be high sec, not null. Null should be insanely lucrative and very dangerous. So long as risk is partnered with reward and vis versa all is right in the 'verse".
The Roq should not be some sort of "win" gizmo for lazy miners.
Well well, look who's back!
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3942
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Posted - 2016.09.22 22:30:36 -
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Arronicus wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Zanar Skwigelf wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:I think the OP's point is that to get boosts in the belt, someone has to be sitting at the computer, controlling the Rorq. That person has to be there, at the keyboard, continuously, to quickly respond to threats. For hours and hours. The problem is not "no security" its that having security makes for an extremely poor gameplay experience for the Rorq pilot. So, the Rorq pilots will not do it, and boosts are lost.
CCP: this is a valid issue. Having a game mechanic that requires someone sit at a keyboard doing nothing for hours on end is a poor mechanic. Who said the rorq won't be actively mining? CCP? There's been data on new capital sized mining drones in the client info lately. I think many of us are very much under the impression you'll be able to use them to mine with your roq. At one time, a few months before Incarna, there was data for "establishments" in the client. Until its actually announced by CCP and scheduled for deployment, we cannot be sure. Unless they are very high yield drones, a Rorq will still be a poor miner, and not worth the effort. Adding strips, and still being an effective boost ship in a belt, will need more highs for strips. It would be nice if a Rorq was at least as effective a miner as a Hulk, and provided boosts on top of that.
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Hengle Teron
Order In Disorder Curatores Veritatis Alliance
60981
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Posted - 2016.09.23 11:53:24 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:People who complain abotu the Rorq never seem to mention the new miner boosting BC that will be an alternative.
As for boosts, I'll say it again to CCP: these whines are what happens when you put unbalanced stuff in the game and people get used to them as an entitlement. At this point they feel like you OWE them easy to protect, hyper effective off grid boosts....because that's what you gave them for years.
Tbh, even a command dessie / t1 BC can be alternative |

Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
189
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Posted - 2016.09.23 14:37:57 -
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Actually, I read the OP again I feel a bit sorry for him that he got shafted with the changes.
And I had some nice wins with gambling today, so I thought I would give him a small gift to make him feel better.
I have set up a free contract of 100 Carbons for the OP.
You can use Industrial Core on your Rorqual to compress them, and it will turn into a single unit of Diamond.
I wish you all the best.
love, Toobo.
Toobo is a lucky talisman - use Toobo's referral for IWI and you too can be lucky. ;)
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2555
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Posted - 2016.09.23 15:07:08 -
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Malcanis wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:I once again have to ask if I can call my activities to collect space resources from asteroids something other than mining because the OP is embarrassing everyone who thinks themselves a miner. So let me see, your Roq is no longer a totally safe thing to make you "boosted". OK, so. Everyone mining today without a Roq raise your hand. Bonus if you are doing it without any "boost". How oh how are so many of us surviving this clearly unfair disadvantage? Seriously, if this is going to drive you all out of Eve, awesome, be gone you lazy whiner miners!
I am going to try again to explain why Eve is special. It is complicated and mostly free form. Instead of the traditional machine based NPC AI driving it all, Eve makes you "compete" with other humans, which sometimes are clever and driven. They will learn to adapt and optimize no matter what changes may be thrown into the sandbox. If you don't like that then Eve is not for you. There is no "easy" setting in Eve. That is why it continues to keep people engaged.
So I might not always like changes in some mechanics but I adapt and realize that is why I like the challenge. To be honest its when I see changes that maybe put us closer to that "easy" setting that I worry. Not that I don't think there should be some places in Eve that can almost be "easy". That should be high sec, not null. Null should be insanely lucrative and very dangerous. So long as risk is partnered with reward and vis versa all is right in the 'verse".
The Roq should not be some sort of "win" gizmo for lazy miners. Well well, look who's back!
Never left, just been quietly enjoying the wonders of the "verse". :-) |

Zenboca
State War Academy Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2016.09.27 18:37:42 -
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Ares Splinter wrote:CCP now must listen the new with rorq on the grid so destroys in it for miners and forcing them to lose their BOOST and being dependent on other player to sit there with them and people have said stop in our corp way introduce this, we lose our mines not only that cheated as do my 80 hours with boost just to get to their gametime so kill them now total .. our mines have announced they stop eve if in carrying this out and then follow our pvp members and pve with we had a corp meeting about it and said we find a different game all together and play if not in coming up with a better solution for those the miners to mine 150 hours instead of the 70-80 hours they do now .. with boost we do not know what your plan is, but it sucks to all others who do not have a rorq. This is a MULTIPLAYER GAME... |

Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1254
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Posted - 2016.09.27 19:02:09 -
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baltec1 wrote:Piugattuk wrote:You can use a drake in place of a Roc, to me it's for years people have said risk vs rewards well guess CCP has taken that advice and have added more risk for the more juicier rewards of fancy roids.
But they were also benevolent in that instead of only orcas and roc's you could use a battle cruiser, so thank CCP for being nice. FC can I bring a drake?
FC what do?!
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
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PopeUrban
El Expedicion Flames of Exile
100
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Posted - 2016.09.28 02:24:51 -
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Off grid ship boosting is cancer, because ships can log out, making a boost rorq nearly impossible to lose ever. Its the same problem other forms of boosting had/have. It puts a player in a ship in the position of doing nothing interesting.
If you want off grid boosts, they should be coming from structures. Structures are a good balance between risk and reliability because they can be destroyed, but they can't be ganked. I'd be very surprised if the new industrial structures don't have mining efficiency fittings to create more long term risk and investment to encourage industrial entities to take ownership of and responsibility for the space they inhabit without constantly having to field a blingy gank target.
Heck, I wouldn't be suprised if they have "command burst" fittings that simply required the miners to check in at the structure every once in a while to get their buff restored. You could even monetize it as a station service. Set up a buff station near a popular ice belt, charge a fee for anyone not in your corp to get boosted. You make passive ISK, but on the flip side you pay in fuel and have to keep it defended through diplomacy or arms.
All the "alt-tab" fits will eventually be moved to one structure or another for good reasons. having someone switch on a module and then just sit there is not gameplay. I wouldn't be suprised if mining itself was given some kind of minigame eventually to make it a more active, engaging, and lucrative activity for people who want to actively mine versus click on lasers and go make a sandwich. |
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