You should consider that if mass of people stopped mining because of this, mineral prices will eventually go up enough that you can earn reasonable ISK in comparatively similar hours spent on mining.

Also, if lots of people decide not to risk Rorq on belt and go on mining without the boosts, if you dare to mine with Rorq and have organisational skill and resources to secure the boost for your miners, you will have incredible advantage over people mining without boosts.

The changes kill easy/safe boost for miners, but any significant decrease in supply will be compensated for the miners when the market price adjusts. And for those who cna secure the on grid boost will reap great rewards and make more from mining than they do now.

I won't get into the issue of what Rorq should be or not as a ship balance issue, but from market perspective the changes will reward you greatly if you can adapt to it.

i also wonder what sort of isk/hr you guys are making mining, 80 hours at 12mil/hr is near a bil isk, your miners only make 12mil an hour?

Since no one else says it.... Can I have all your members stuff? I mean you are threatening to quit a game over a much needed booster change, one that should make your PvP group much happier.

I've heard that fully trained and boosted hulk mining in 0.0 gives above 250mil/hour
My alt has little above 23 seconds of cycle time on ICE mining (Covetor + T2 equipment + rorq bonuses). Harvesting Krystallos (1.25mil pu in Jita) it gives 3600/23*1.25=195mil/hour And i'm not talking about 'all V' skills and T2 barge here.....

So yes, guy talking about 80 hours of mining WITH rorq to pay for PLEX ......

Maybe hes real issue is his corps ore buyback program

miner boosting BC

CCP now must listen
the new with rorq on the grid so destroys in it for miners and forcing them to lose their BOOST and being dependent on other player to sit there with them and people have said stop in our corp way introduce this, we lose our mines not only that cheated as do my 80 hours with boost just to get to their gametime so kill them now total ..
our mines have announced they stop eve if in carrying this out and then follow our pvp members and pve with we had a corp meeting about it and said we find a different game all together and play if not in coming up with a better solution for those the miners to mine 150 hours instead of the 70-80 hours they do now .. with boost
we do not know what your plan is, but it sucks to all others who do not have a rorq.

CCP now must listen

People who complain abotu the Rorq never seem to mention the new miner boosting BC that will be an alternative.

As for boosts, I'll say it again to CCP: these whines are what happens when you put unbalanced stuff in the game and people get used to them as an entitlement. At this point they feel like you OWE them easy to protect, hyper effective off grid boosts....because that's what you gave them for years.

I think Rorq bait will be a thing. Rorq gets tackled, cyno open, defence fleet jumps in, the attacker opens his own cyno, things can escalate quickly and it will be great. There are many cases where pvp fleet sits idle in a POS with titan ready to bridge while hunters are looking for good hot drop opportunities. Then someone will scream in the comms, "Yes! we got our Rorqual tackled! Enemy cyno open and caps dropping in! jump jump jump!!!"

Then there will be such a joy and people will cyno to Rorqual to get the contents they have been waiting for hours. Everyone will be happy :D think positive, this could be a fun change.

I think the OP's point is that to get boosts in the belt, someone has to be sitting at the computer, controlling the Rorq. That person has to be there, at the keyboard, continuously, to quickly respond to threats. For hours and hours. The problem is not "no security" its that having security makes for an extremely poor gameplay experience for the Rorq pilot. So, the Rorq pilots will not do it, and boosts are lost.

CCP: this is a valid issue. Having a game mechanic that requires someone sit at a keyboard doing nothing for hours on end is a poor mechanic.

Who said the rorq won't be actively mining?

CCP?

You can use a drake in place of a Roc, to me it's for years people have said risk vs rewards well guess CCP has taken that advice and have added more risk for the more juicier rewards of fancy roids.

But they were also benevolent in that instead of only orcas and roc's you could use a battle cruiser, so thank CCP for being nice.

CCP?

There's been data on new capital sized mining drones in the client info lately. I think many of us are very much under the impression you'll be able to use them to mine with your roq.

I once again have to ask if I can call my activities to collect space resources from asteroids something other than mining because the OP is embarrassing everyone who thinks themselves a miner. So let me see, your Roq is no longer a totally safe thing to make you "boosted". OK, so. Everyone mining today without a Roq raise your hand. Bonus if you are doing it without any "boost". How oh how are so many of us surviving this clearly unfair disadvantage? Seriously, if this is going to drive you all out of Eve, awesome, be gone you lazy whiner miners!

I am going to try again to explain why Eve is special. It is complicated and mostly free form. Instead of the traditional machine based NPC AI driving it all, Eve makes you "compete" with other humans, which sometimes are clever and driven. They will learn to adapt and optimize no matter what changes may be thrown into the sandbox. If you don't like that then Eve is not for you. There is no "easy" setting in Eve. That is why it continues to keep people engaged.

So I might not always like changes in some mechanics but I adapt and realize that is why I like the challenge. To be honest its when I see changes that maybe put us closer to that "easy" setting that I worry. Not that I don't think there should be some places in Eve that can almost be "easy". That should be high sec, not null. Null should be insanely lucrative and very dangerous. So long as risk is partnered with reward and vis versa all is right in the 'verse".

The Roq should not be some sort of "win" gizmo for lazy miners.

There's been data on new capital sized mining drones in the client info lately. I think many of us are very much under the impression you'll be able to use them to mine with your roq.

People who complain abotu the Rorq never seem to mention the new miner boosting BC that will be an alternative.

As for boosts, I'll say it again to CCP: these whines are what happens when you put unbalanced stuff in the game and people get used to them as an entitlement. At this point they feel like you OWE them easy to protect, hyper effective off grid boosts....because that's what you gave them for years.

Well well, look who's back!

CCP now must listen
the new with rorq on the grid so destroys in it for miners and forcing them to lose their BOOST and being dependent on other player to sit there with them and people have said stop in our corp way introduce this, we lose our mines not only that cheated as do my 80 hours with boost just to get to their gametime so kill them now total ..
our mines have announced they stop eve if in carrying this out and then follow our pvp members and pve with we had a corp meeting about it and said we find a different game all together and play if not in coming up with a better solution for those the miners to mine 150 hours instead of the 70-80 hours they do now .. with boost
we do not know what your plan is, but it sucks to all others who do not have a rorq.

FC can I bring a drake?