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Jaggeh
Gallente
Furious Angels
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Posted - 2007.03.20 19:30:00 -
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you will want to steer clear of 0.0 until you can fly a battlecruiser or battleship with decent shield/armor skills, or you will not be able to make a lot of money out there.
It doesnt take long to get your learning skills up to a point which is acceptable, i had 2 friends start at the same time in january, one of them did his learning skills and now has 3.2m skillpoints and can do level 3 missions in a battleship. the other cant do level 2 missions in a battlecruiser and has 1.8m skillpoints.
Have you joined a playercorp already? a lot of your questions can be answered if you get into a decent sized(20+) playercorp with experienced players.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
Requiem of Hades
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.20 20:10:00 -
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Welcome to eVe. eVe is the best game ever. 
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Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
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I 100% agree with Avon.
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Presidente Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.20 20:25:00 -
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Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 20/03/2007 20:24:04
Welcome to EVE.
First of all:
be patient and learn by doing. After a while you get some +ah, I understand½ and things which seem complex in the beginning start to get into flesh and blood. After a year - I promise - you will feel like a taxi driver knowing his city like a frakking GPS.
Get tools like EVEMon and Quickfit. They are a must. With EVEMon you will learn to setup skill plans efficient with viewed schedules. Quickfit is a must to test ships and fittings.
Figure out what's essential to train to protect your ship and make it strong. Read always the forum for help, hints and setups. EVE need a learning process. You will find out what's your favourite ship. Try to understand the game mechanics.
And yes: an Assault Frig is a good first milestone. But don't learn just to fly the ship asap. You need overall good skills and ISK. EVE is awesome and has beaten my console games to death.
So say we all!
Presidente Gallente
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Reven Darklight
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.20 22:50:00 -
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first I'd like to say thanks for everybody who has given me such good tips and for the convos in game with more friendly chatting and tips.
ok stay clear of 0.0 unless I'm in a far bigger ship check and no problem this sounds like a good idea.
I've noticed that there are a lot of things to learn, I think I'm getting the basic grasp of things which is pretty cool, the whole PVP thing is still a little confusing, how does one shoot other players with out the cops coming?
I was told about faction ships but what i don't understand is, if Tech2 ships are better then faction ships why are faction ships so much more to get? and why does it take so many lps to get one? would it make more sence to make it possible to get one from lvl 1 missions so a n00b like me can have a stepping stone between tech1 and faction? Does this make sence at all. As i understand it there are faction ships for frig, cruiser and BS I though it would make sence to make these possible to get from lvl 1, lvl 2 and lvl3/4 missions. But since i have to wait til like lvl 3 missions to get a faction frig whats the point trying to get one?
Tell me does this make sence to anybody else or am I just been a n00b?
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.20 22:52:00 -
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Die as much as possible. Go low-sec, 0.0 etc.. The more you die at a younger the age the better. You'll learn about the dangers and how things work. Later on your loose alot more isk making the same mistakes.
Otherwise have fun, explore! 
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ScrambledEgg Zone
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Posted - 2007.03.20 23:30:00 -
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Edited by: ScrambledEgg Zone on 20/03/2007 23:27:12
 Originally by: Kaeten
Die as much as possible. Go low-sec, 0.0 etc.. The more you die at a younger the age the better. You'll learn about the dangers and how things work. Later on your loose alot more isk making the same mistakes.
Otherwise have fun, explore!
I agree. Lose your fear of death by dying a lot in frig based combat (it costs nothing), learn all the many, many ways you can and will die. your attitude and knowledge of pvp will out do any amount of ISK, ISK which when dumped into a big battleship will go bye bye as soon as you enter low sec because you don't know how to pvp, you won't be aware of the many ways you can be killed, and so have no idea how to attack/defend, and losing all that isk will set you back weeks or months and leave a horrible taste in your mouth and you will have had one, horrible PvP experience.
So my advice is play with frigates (don't go near battle cruisers or anything expensive yet, you will lose it 100%), they are VERY cheap and with enough skill points to fit them out can KILL battle cruisers piloted by players who rushed (if not on your own, a small group certainly will), and rip cruisers apart with impunity.
Then, when you have a feel for the PvP in eve, and have confidence and experience, then and only then should you start fighting with the costlier equipment and flying the bigger ships.
ISK only enhances your ability, it gives you none.
Have fun, and welcome to eve :)
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Humpalot
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Posted - 2007.03.20 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Helix Fluxx
I don't know what Privateers are like in that respect, but if you're that new, most people will want you to get some experience of the game before taking you on.
That is not entirely true. Certainly many corps will have minimum standards for new members to meet but likewise there are many corps out there that accept newbies with open arms. Indeed some even specialize in them (IIRC EVE University is one such that I hear many good things about...might give them a look).
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Trillian Mcmillan
Cry Me A River Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.20 23:55:00 -
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In respone to your faction ship question.
The vast majority of faction ships are status symbols. Some are great tough. Especially the faction battleships tend to get used alot, though this is in no small part due to the fact there are no t2 battleships.
If EVE ships were cars the relation between faction, t1 and t2 would be something like this:
T1 is your standard car. Its cheap(ish) and does the job its suppused to do. Almost everybody owns one. Kind of a like a Volkswagen. :)
T2 is your high quality, luxury car usually with a powerfull and exteremly gas hungry engine. Rich people and people who really want/need a good car tend to own these. This might be a Mercedes.
Faction is that rediciously overpriced Ferrari or perhaps a very well maintained oldtimer. Very few people own these as they cost an arm and a leg and generally they arent usefull or efficient for mundane day to day travel.
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Humpalot
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Posted - 2007.03.20 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Reven Darklight
I was told about faction ships but what i don't understand is, if Tech2 ships are better then faction ships why are faction ships so much more to get? and why does it take so many lps to get one? would it make more sence to make it possible to get one from lvl 1 missions so a n00b like me can have a stepping stone between tech1 and faction? Does this make sence at all. As i understand it there are faction ships for frig, cruiser and BS I though it would make sence to make these possible to get from lvl 1, lvl 2 and lvl3/4 missions. But since i have to wait til like lvl 3 missions to get a faction frig whats the point trying to get one?
Tell me does this make sence to anybody else or am I just been a n00b?
T2 > Faction > T1
So, for frigates and cruisers faction ships make little sense from a cost perspective. Some people collect them for the coolness value like a collector of rare cars does the same even though in almost every respect a 2006 Honda is probably a better car than a 1930 anything.
Where the flip happens is with battleships. There are no T2 battleships in the game (yet) so the best battleship you can get your hands on is a faction battleship. It is these that most people are grinding missions for (particularly the Raven Navy Issue). At somewhere around a billion ISK in value (or around 500k LP) they are not cheap or easy to get but if you want the very best battleship that is it for now.
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Reven Darklight
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.21 00:34:00 -
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Ok death at this early stage, is probable a better idea then death at a later stage, I think give the examples I can understand and even agree with it, of course seeing if i can survive and not die at all would be good too.
I was looking in the market at skills i can get and for something i don't exactly understand, i can train for Battle Cruisers, but I can't train for Cruisers yet, does this seem strange to anybody at all?
I think aiming for a faction frig would be really cool maybe if i get enough money together i can look at getting a faction frig to run these lvl 1 missions. Just wondering what is the caldari faction frig and what can it do? Is it a missile ship like my kessy or is it a gun ship? Is this Caldari navy faction ship better then a kessy or should i stick with the kessy?
And are there only 3 types of faction ships, frig cruiser and battleship and i guess there are only 3 for each of the races. Is this right or are there more out there that don't appear in the market because i noticed the faction ships don't appear there. How would i go about getting a faction frig and what is a caldari faction frig worth?
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Akutan
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Posted - 2007.03.21 01:04:00 -
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Hey! Just wanted to chime in and say thanks for this thread :D I'm new too, and while I'm Minmatar instead of Caldari a lot of the skill recommendations have helped me too. |
Takayoru
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.21 01:17:00 -
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Edited by: Takayoru on 21/03/2007 01:25:01
Edited by: Takayoru on 21/03/2007 01:17:32
I am a re-noob myself. I played for a while back in 2003-4. The 14 day trial got me back in. It's a lot easier for noobs nowadays, believe me. I'd like to put in my vote to aim for a Caracal as your first major ship upgrade. I'm doing L1 missions in one and it's superb. An afterburner for looting wrecks, a couple or three shield boosters/enhancers and a capacitor extender(?) as well as a PDU and a someting (I forget what it's called) to enhance your missle launchers and you can whack 30 rats in a mission without breaking a sweat. Right now I'm in the market for a run-on sentence repair unit...
P.S. As always, never buy someting that you can't afford to lose. Insurance is your friend for when you DO lose it. Good luck.
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Reven Darklight
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.21 01:39:00 -
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Akutan hi, welcome to my threat and I'm glad that my n00bieness is helping others who are new to the game.
well so far I'm running a kessy, with 4 standard launchers 2 have kinetic damage missiles and the other 2 have thermal damage missiles. I have a shield booster just a normal one and just a normal shield extender, and I'm running 2 of these low medules, my old corp said it was a good idea to run them, what they do is there are like 4 stat things, shields, cap, powercore, and something else they add a small percent too, because otherwise the 4 launchers take all my powercore.
There are still quiet a few skills i want to learn but as per advice from above I'm sticking to the intelligence and memory and the learning skills, after all i can fit the missiles and shield things and I am only doing lvl 1 missions so i should be ok to make the 20-60K odd per mission.
One problem i did come across is i got this one story line mission I think it is and i got an implant. +1 to will power, I haven't actually got the skills to use it yet, but how do the implants work?
are these missions worth doing? I had to trave a few jumps and get some veldspare or what ever its called do complete this mission. And are all story line missions like this am i going to have to mine every time i want to complete one of these missions. And how often do they pop up?
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Trillian Mcmillan
Cry Me A River Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.21 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Reven Darklight
And are there only 3 types of faction ships, frig cruiser and battleship and i guess there are only 3 for each of the races. Is this right or are there more out there that don't appear in the market because i noticed the faction ships don't appear there. How would i go about getting a faction frig and what is a caldari faction frig worth?
There are more than three per race per class, if you count pirate faction frigs. It is true they dont show on the market.
As a caldari pilot looking at faction frigs you will be interested in the Caldari Navy Hookbill(or was it hookbil) and the Worm (Guristas frig).
The Hookbill is similar to the Merlin. It uses a split weapon system and has a preety strong tank.
The Worm is built around the hull of the merlin but is acutally more like a kestrel. It gets bonuses to missiles and three missile hardpoints. I like the Worm and used to use it while i was still a somewhat young player. To fly this ship you will need both Cladari and Gallente frigate skill up to lvl 3.
Not sure what they cost anymore. I seem to remember Worms going for around 30-40mil and Hookbills going for 50-60mil. This might be wrong and even if i do remeber correctly it was a long time ago.
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Reven Darklight
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.21 02:10:00 -
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so it would be a good idea to consider getting one of these worms and training the frig skills for a gallente frig. I guess that means i could consider getting a gallente faction frig, is their navy frig any good? and is it a missile ship or should i just stick to caldari and forget the whole worm/gallente frig idea?
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Pardack
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.03.21 02:12:00 -
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Welcome to EVE.
May I point you to:
EVE-Online Mission Forum - Lots of good mission questions, answers and ideas
Ships and Modules Forum
Ships and Modules Forum (direct link to ship setups)
EVE-Online Resources Collection (lots of useful information about a lot of things)
Great resources, check em out.
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Trillian Mcmillan
Cry Me A River Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.21 02:19:00 -
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Not sure what the gallente navy frig is. But its a safe bet its built around blasters and/or drones, something you are most likely not skilled for at this point.
Is it worth getting the Worm?
Well... If you can afford its price tag... Why the hell not?
That said. The before mentioned Hawk is very similar to it, cheaper and just plain better. Only bad side is that it requiers far more training.
People said that T2 ships require a lot of skills to be used properly. And this is very true. However the same goes for faction ships.
Also... If you are going to use your faction/t2 frig for lvl1/2 missions the bare minimum skills will be more than enough. In fact, unless you put some stupid fitting on them, these ships will be quite an overkill for such missions with any amount of skillpoints.
Considering all of this... If you must fly lvl1/2 mission in a flashy ship (who wouldnt want to? :) ) i would suggest the Hawk over the Worm. It is cheaper, stronger and the skills you will have to train just to sit in it will be very usefull to you no (unlike the gallente frig lvl3 which you might never use for anything other than the worm).
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Pardack
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.03.21 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: Trillian Mcmillan
In respone to your faction ship question.
The vast majority of faction ships are status symbols. Some are great tough. Especially the faction battleships tend to get used alot, though this is in no small part due to the fact there are no t2 battleships.
If EVE ships were cars the relation between faction, t1 and t2 would be something like this:
T1 is your standard car. Its cheap(ish) and does the job its suppused to do. Almost everybody owns one. Kind of a like a Volkswagen. :)
T2 is your high quality, luxury car usually with a powerfull and exteremly gas hungry engine. Rich people and people who really want/need a good car tend to own these. This might be a Mercedes.
Faction is that rediciously overpriced Ferrari or perhaps a very well maintained oldtimer. Very few people own these as they cost an arm and a leg and generally they arent usefull or efficient for mundane day to day travel.
Best analogy for T1 -> Faction I've ever read.
Just missing the 'named' T1 items which are between T1 and T2. Generally, named are usually better in most respects than T1 (lower fitting, better stats). In a tight fit, T1 named are somewhat equal to T2 in stats (T2 usually have higher fitting costs but perform better with good skills).
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Reven Darklight
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.21 02:30:00 -
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i have a couple of more questions about rigs and missiles launchers.
I got really lucky, I think, and got an assult missiles launcher thinking this was really cool i tried fitting it to my kessy, hell no, it won't fit, so i guess whats the big deal with these things that they have so much more requirements then a standard launcher?
And rigs are these worth trying to get? I've seen a few prices for them and it seems they are worth 100s of times more then my little kessy and all fittings. Is this an accurate estimation of rigs, that they are for battleships and maybe tech2 other ships and not for frigs?
And if i should try for them on a frig what would be a good one for a kessy?
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Trillian Mcmillan
Cry Me A River Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.21 02:35:00 -
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The assault launcher is actually a cruiser size weapon. You cant fit it on a frig while maintaining a reasonable fitting.
Rigs are, indeed, too expensive to be mounted on t1 frigs. I suggest you forget about them until you have the skills for at least a full t2 fitted cruiser.... or their price drops a LOT.
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Humpalot
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Posted - 2007.03.21 03:18:00 -
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Honestly at around 25 million for a faction frigate I do not think that is your ideal progression.
For you I would go Kestrel > Caracal > Drake > Raven
Not only is the Caracal much cheaper than a Hawk (4.5 million or so) I think you would find it more useful at this point. Besides, you can fully insure that Caracal. You lose that Hawk and most of your money will go out the window.
That progression is all missile ships meaning you need not really train any gunnery skills. That said Caldari have some fine ships that use guns too so something to consider at some point for more options.
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Arialla
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Posted - 2007.03.21 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: hotgirl933
assualt frig should be youre first target
This is pretty bad advice and probably just trolling. You are better off completely ignoring it.
-- Arialla
Originally by: Robocop
Scammer: You probably don't think I'm a very nice guy, do ya?
Murphy: Buddy, I think you're slime.
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Arialla
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Posted - 2007.03.21 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: Reven Darklight
i have a couple of more questions about rigs and missiles launchers.
I got really lucky, I think, and got an assult missiles launcher thinking this was really cool i tried fitting it to my kessy, hell no, it won't fit, so i guess whats the big deal with these things that they have so much more requirements then a standard launcher?
You can do a lot more damage with assault launchers than with standard launchers. The drawback is range. Assault missiles have a very short range compared to standard missiles. They are situational and not used often. Stick with standard launchers till you get more experienced.
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And rigs are these worth trying to get? I've seen a few prices for them and it seems they are worth 100s of times more then my little kessy and all fittings. Is this an accurate estimation of rigs, that they are for battleships and maybe tech2 other ships and not for frigs?
And if i should try for them on a frig what would be a good one for a kessy?
Forget about rigs till you get into a battleship or a T2 ship. They cannot be removed and they are not covered by insurance. Yes, they are expensive.
If you are so inclined you can train Salvaging and salvage wrecks of ships you blew up and sell the salvaged materials for some more money. Rigs are manufactured from these salvaged materials. Salvaging is time consuming though and most people have 2 different ships, one for missioning and one for salvaging. Destroyers make good salvage ships, fast and a lot of high slots.
-- Arialla
Originally by: Robocop
Scammer: You probably don't think I'm a very nice guy, do ya?
Murphy: Buddy, I think you're slime.
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Reven Darklight
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.21 04:18:00 -
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ok assult frigs not the way to go, cruiser the way to go no problem I'll start getting cruiser points as soon as i finish learning skills.
Ok implants anybody wanna give me the lowdown on these things, I got a +1 willpower one from a story line mission, is a +1 any good or should i try and sell it or something?
Next question I'm getting lots of loot from my missions and some of its pretty useless to me, but nobody want to buy them on the market, what do i do with the useless crap other then trash it?
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ScrambledEgg Zone
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Posted - 2007.03.21 04:24:00 -
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Originally by: Reven Darklight
ok assult frigs not the way to go, cruiser the way to go no problem I'll start getting cruiser points as soon as i finish learning skills.
Ok implants anybody wanna give me the lowdown on these things, I got a +1 willpower one from a story line mission, is a +1 any good or should i try and sell it or something?
Next question I'm getting lots of loot from my missions and some of its pretty useless to me, but nobody want to buy them on the market, what do i do with the useless crap other then trash it?
ah, implants :) these are cool, they can save you days on training time, even the +1 implants. To use them (shown as the option 'plug in') you need at least level 1 cybernetics, which requires you have level III in science to train. all the +1 implants cost from like 30k (charisma) to about 700k (memory), i would strongy reccomend you learn cybernetics and plug them in, as in the long run they will save you weeks of training time :)
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SonOTassadar
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.03.21 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: Arialla
Originally by: hotgirl933
assualt frig should be youre first target
This is pretty bad advice and probably just trolling. You are better off completely ignoring it.
Everything hotgirl933 has said since I've noticed her [his] posts has been nothing but trolling. I really wish a mod would ban her [him].
Anyways. As someone else was saying: There are many corporations out there that will accept noobies. Some are big empire-like corporations with aspirations to greatness like mine, and some may be a small corporation full of people who are just like you that are just trying to figure out what on earth to do, kind of like the way my corporation used to be when it first formed.
There's a lot of good suggestions as to what to do here. The main question has already been answered: missiles are a good weapon. They serve some purposes better than others to turrets, and likewise turrets perform some things better than missiles do.
As for further information: I suggest you stick to the New Citizens Q&A forum, which is intended for people like you who have basic questions about things like missiles (and any other relatively simple questions; no offense, but it is a basic question that can be answered in a sentence or two, and really belongs there [people do reply to that forum, too!]). Figure out what you think you would enjoy doing, because I can tell you from experience -- missions do get boring. Set a small goal of aiming for a ship that suits your style, and ask around, either through the help channel or the forums or your corp mates on how to set it up properly and what skills to train to properly fly it. While I'm not a strong advocate of the belief that there is intelligence to be found on the general forums, one universal truth that everyone here seems to agree on is that there is a differing between being able to pilot a ship and flying a ship. So keep that in mind.
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Jaggeh
Gallente
Furious Angels
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Posted - 2007.03.21 14:09:00 -
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check the link in my sig, we are recruiting all walks of life and you might get some coherent help rather than 50 thousand different viewpoints all shouting that their way is better :)
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