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Reven Darklight
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.20 04:17:00 -
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Hi, so as the subject goes I'm new to eve, only a couple of days old, loving it so far.
I'm on a trial acct but will probable make it a full acct when it starts getting close to the 14 days.
So I'm playing Caldari they seem pretty cool and from advice from my new corp am flying a kessy(?) with missile launchers. I was told that the kessy gets bonuses for using particular missiles so i stocked up a little on those, what i could afford anyway.
So far I'm running little missions for some faction, navy I think. I was doing will until i came to a Worlds collide mission, ouch i got to the second room and was just shot to pieces, I escaped and decided that mission was a little too hard.
So anyway I guess I wanted to ask, are missiles a good idea to stay with? I wanted to work on getting good skills before trying to get a bigger ship, mostely because I can't afford anything bigger and I though i could keep running the low lvl missions until i could afford something better.
I'm at work at the moment so i can't remember exactly what skills i do have but i think i can use standard missile launchers and rockets i think. I think heavy missiles are next, are these good and could i put them on my little kessy? Or do i need a bigger ship?
Any other advice people can offer to a newly started player would be really good as well.
Thanks 
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hotgirl933
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Posted - 2007.03.20 04:20:00 -
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assualt frig should be youre first target
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Finlander09
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Posted - 2007.03.20 04:26:00 -
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Use correct armor or shield hardeners to rats. Different faction rats make different damage to u and what u shoud use, u can ask from in game. People have em in BIO usually.
example -> Sansha makes Thermal and EM damage only. need Thermal and EM hardeners.
Another thing is, u shoud use correct missiles to rats also. Sansha loves to get EM missiles and thermal drones :)
Different faction = different damage 99% of cases.
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Humpalot
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Posted - 2007.03.20 04:28:00 -
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Missiles are just fine. Indeed they are probably the most used weapon system in EVE. The Caldari Raven battleship is considered the best missioning ship in EVE bar none (and it is a missile ship).
Takes a bit to get your bearings in EVE and learn how to best approach missions and such. Your corpmates will be a great resource for help as are these forums.
Enjoy!
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Reven Darklight
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.20 04:39:00 -
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Cool some answers, ok I'm at work and while they are happy or at least ready to turn a blind eye to my web surfing I think I'll quickly be out of a job if i tried to install eve at work which is a bit of a bummer but oh well a few more hours then i can go home and see how my skills are going and stuff.
ok assult frig, this sounds like a pretty cool ship, now i noticed there are like 5 caldari frigs are there that many assult frigs are there? and which one would be better if I stick with missiles?
Ok armor and shield things, which one is better for my kessy? and since it looks like I'm going to be flying caldari ships which one should i work on that will make me harder to kill. I can't exactly remember but i think they were pith rats(?) what kinda of missiles should i use against them
Missions seem like a pretty easy way for a n00b like to me get some money together, and the time to learn skills, what sort of skills should i be working on early in the game? Ship skills so i can get a big ship or missile skills so i can shoot stuff better.
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Humpalot
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Posted - 2007.03.20 04:47:00 -
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If you go for Assault Frigates I'd go for the Hawk (there are two Caldari Assault Frigs...Harpy and Hawk).
As a Caldari pilot you will want to focus on shield tanks and skip armor tanking.
As for training I would focus on building up your missile skills, learning skills and fitting skills before worrying about flying a bigger ship.
Just my 0.02 ISK
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Ryysa
North Face Force
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.20 04:51:00 -
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You are still early into your training.
It depends what you want to do in eve.
If you want to do stuff like running missions and shooting npc's, caldari is by far the best race for that.
If you want to do more pvp, then i'd advise looking at either gallente or caldari (amarr is also viable if they boost it a bit).
However, this from a powergaming perspective, if you think that your focus in the game will not be 100% competitive pvp, then caldari are just fine (and they have a few really nice pvp ships).
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Koryvarn
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Posted - 2007.03.20 04:55:00 -
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Reven,
A good guide for tanking:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=319967
A caldari beginners guide:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=490450
Anyway, for skills, do the learning tree first.
Instant Recall 1
Analytical Mind 1
Learning 1
Then repeat for level 2 / 3
Get yourself some useful skills - electronics lvl 2/3, engineering lvl 2/3, mechanics / engineering skills depending on how you want to tank, the basic missle skills that you're missing. Get the navigation skills, ie, afterburner, evasive manourvering, Fuel conservation, Warp Drive Operation.
Keep on training the short ones first so you get a decent bonus early on.
Then when you're comfortably doing lvl 1 missions, do the the learning skills mentioned above to lvl 4. Make sure you set a long skill for when you go to bed / work so you dont miss out on training time.
I'd also reccomend downloading EVE Monitor... it has all the skills listed, great for playing around with skills, seeing what they do etc. And it optimizes the learning for you, so you make the most of your training time.
By the time the learning skills hit 4, you should know a bit more about what you're doing... hopefully the 2 above links should also help a bit too
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Reven Darklight
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.20 05:19:00 -
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ok shield stuff, missile skills and learning skills before a bigger ship check, no problem, and I want a Hawk sweet gives me something to aim for, I'll look it up tonight when i get on line and see how much it'll cost, maybe I can get it after a few more missions.
As for what i want to do, mostly I'm not really sure yet, pvp has some interest i guess, mission running seems cool, I tried a little mining and it was pretty boring, I could put on a movie and just click a few buttons every now and then I guess but not really what i want to do.
I'm not really sure how PVP works yet, people in my corp just advised me not to start shooting people yet something about the police coming and killing me, so not really sure how to pvp yet with out getting taken out by the cops.
I'm still a little hazy on the whole stat thing not sure what they are used for, so i tried for a pretty balanced approach to it. The guide to getting a +1 sounds pretty cool, so maybe i should try and do that. The tanking guide will take a bit of reading so I'll do that now and see what i think
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Ravelin Eb
Minmatar
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.20 05:45:00 -
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Forget Assault ships for the time being, Its far more important to train learning skills and your basic support skills. (most lvl 1 lvl 2 skills). before training for Tech2 ships like AF's, dont run before you can walk, take things in eve 1 step at a time and you will do fine.
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Reven Darklight
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.20 06:00:00 -
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Ok, AF's which i guess are Assult Frigs are Tech2? are there any other types of ships which are tech2, what does that make normal ships like my kessy?
Does Tech2 just mean more expensive or are they better? whats so special about being a Tech2 ship, since i finish work in like 5 minutes I guess I'll go home and check this stuff out
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Koryvarn
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Posted - 2007.03.20 06:48:00 -
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AF's (and T2 ships) are your "high end" ships. They're improved versions of your standard T1 ships. They require a lot of skills to fly, and even more skills to fly well. I wouldn't bother with them until you have a couple of million skill points.
Basically, set your short team goal on all the basic skills to lvl 2-3 and a cruiser. Since you're Caldari, this would probably be a Caracal for you. It will cost you about 10 million with fittings, insurance, etc, so start saving.
Find a NPC corp you want to work for, and run missions for that same corp. By the time you can afford a cruiser, you should be ready for lvl 2 missions.
Oh, and never fly something you can't afford to loose. And always insure your ship :P
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Alski
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.20 06:50:00 -
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 Originally by: Reven Darklight
Ok, AF's which i guess are Assult Frigs are Tech2? are there any other types of ships which are tech2, what does that make normal ships like my kessy?
Does Tech2 just mean more expensive or are they better? whats so special about being a Tech2 ship, since i finish work in like 5 minutes I guess I'll go home and check this stuff out
Yeah assault frigs are Tech 2, your kessy is Tech 1, the big differances between them are that Tech 2 ships are very superiour ships to there T1 counterparts, but also require a lot more skills and are a lot more expensive.
Ignore the prices on T2 goods listed in the item database on this website, pritty much all T2 stuff is very expensive, so you might be better off aiming for a T1 cruiser for now esp. as it will take about a week or 2 of dedicated skill training to reach assault frigates, and also because T1 ships are insureable for pritty much the full cost of the ship, whereas T2 ships are not - in other words it hurts your wallet to lose a T2 ship 
My advise would be to get some shield skills to toughen up your kessey, it'll certainley do the job for now once you got a good fitting on it, and don't forget to keep moveing when in missions, standing still makes you an easyer target (you'll get hit for more damage)
Once you've found how to fly and fit your kessy well go for a cruiser, the Caracal is an awesome ship for low level missions, and will be cheeper than an assault frigate, esp. if you lose it.
Oh yeah and welcome to Eve 
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Cybarite
Gallente
Aristotle Enterprises
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2007.03.20 07:23:00 -
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yeah forget the tech two stuff for now, it's a pain and it's really not all that great, better, but not really worth it IMO. One thing you really want to do though, that I don't think has been mentioned, is train up SALVAGING, the little bits and pieces you salvage go for alot of money and if you get into rigging you can really enhance your ship's abilities without going for that expensive T2 equipment.
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Reven Darklight
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.20 08:06:00 -
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yeah wow those AFs are really expensive, I think i'm going to have to go with the majority here and pass on it and stick with the basic skills. Those cruiser ships look pretty cool think I might go for those in a little while.
Ok on to some sad news, due to lack of members my corp has more or less disbanded, now these guys seem pretty cool, they did give me a go and a little money to kick me off, but i guess since the disband I'm looking for a new corp.
The CEO of my old corp is headed to some corp called privateers corp alliance or something anyway does anybody know them I'm thinking of joining them, when i looked them up they seem pretty big not really sure if they'd take me on
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Prophet Jurah
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:12:00 -
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Edited by: Prophet Jurah on 20/03/2007 15:11:48
You don't need to fight on worlds collide. Once you know what to do it's one of the most easy missions. Just run as fast as you can to the cartel gate and then run to the next gate. You only need to fight the ones that attack you when you enter the third room. You'll want to stick with missles for now and attack from outside the range of the enemy. The kestrel can one shot 2 NPCs at once in lv 1 missions. You should save up and get yourself a caracal and heavy missles once you think you're ready for lv2 missions. If you have any questions feel free to ask me ingame.
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Prophet Jurah
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:12:00 -
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Edited by: Prophet Jurah on 20/03/2007 15:11:48
You don't need to fight on worlds collide. Once you know what to do it's one of the most easy missions. Just run as fast as you can to the cartel gate and then run to the next gate. You only need to fight the ones that attack you when you enter the third room. You'll want to stick with missles for now and attack from outside the range of the enemy. The kestrel can one shot 2 NPCs at once in lv 1 missions. You should save up and get yourself a caracal and heavy missles once you think you're ready for lv2 missions. If you have any questions feel free to ask me ingame.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Prophet Jurah
You don't need to fight on worlds collide. Once you know what to do it's one of the most easy missions. Just run as fast as you can to the cartel gate and then run to the next gate. You only need to fight the ones that attack you when you enter the third room.
Where's the fun in that? :)
And to the new guy, welcome to EVE!
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Prophet Jurah
You don't need to fight on worlds collide. Once you know what to do it's one of the most easy missions. Just run as fast as you can to the cartel gate and then run to the next gate. You only need to fight the ones that attack you when you enter the third room.
Where's the fun in that? :)
And to the new guy, welcome to EVE!
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Prophet Jurah
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:16:00 -
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Edited by: Prophet Jurah on 20/03/2007 15:15:32
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Prophet Jurah
You don't need to fight on worlds collide. Once you know what to do it's one of the most easy missions. Just run as fast as you can to the cartel gate and then run to the next gate. You only need to fight the ones that attack you when you enter the third room.
Where's the fun in that? :)
And to the new guy, welcome to EVE!
The fun is not dying....
Edit: You don't want to join privateers. Apart from fighting like cowards and not being able to cut it in low sec and 0.0 with the real PvPers they're also not a good corp for a newbie. They constantly have most of eve at war with them and you'll just die alot. You should learn the game more and get some sp and a good ship before you join a PvP corp.
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Prophet Jurah
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:16:00 -
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Edited by: Prophet Jurah on 20/03/2007 15:15:32
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Prophet Jurah
You don't need to fight on worlds collide. Once you know what to do it's one of the most easy missions. Just run as fast as you can to the cartel gate and then run to the next gate. You only need to fight the ones that attack you when you enter the third room.
Where's the fun in that? :)
And to the new guy, welcome to EVE!
The fun is not dying....
Edit: You don't want to join privateers. Apart from fighting like cowards and not being able to cut it in low sec and 0.0 with the real PvPers they're also not a good corp for a newbie. They constantly have most of eve at war with them and you'll just die alot. You should learn the game more and get some sp and a good ship before you join a PvP corp.
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Helix Fluxx
Caldari
Contempo Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Prophet Jurah
Edited by: Prophet Jurah on 20/03/2007 15:11:48
You don't need to fight on worlds collide. Once you know what to do it's one of the most easy missions. Just run as fast as you can to the cartel gate and then run to the next gate. You only need to fight the ones that attack you when you enter the third room. You'll want to stick with missles for now and attack from outside the range of the enemy. The kestrel can one shot 2 NPCs at once in lv 1 missions. You should save up and get yourself a caracal and heavy missles once you think you're ready for lv2 missions. If you have any questions feel free to ask me ingame.
With a few warpouts, When Worlds Collide is doable with a fight, in a Kessie. Running through the second room I've never been able to do, so I don't know how not dying by running through it is possible.
Originally by: Reven Darklight
yeah wow those AFs are really expensive, I think i'm going to have to go with the majority here and pass on it and stick with the basic skills. Those cruiser ships look pretty cool think I might go for those in a little while.
Ok on to some sad news, due to lack of members my corp has more or less disbanded, now these guys seem pretty cool, they did give me a go and a little money to kick me off, but i guess since the disband I'm looking for a new corp.
The CEO of my old corp is headed to some corp called privateers corp alliance or something anyway does anybody know them I'm thinking of joining them, when i looked them up they seem pretty big not really sure if they'd take me on
Reven, there's enough threads on here about the Privateers. Go read, then form your own opinion. Also before joining any large corp or alliance, most of them will require you to have a certain number of Skillpoints, or be able to do certain things with your ships, as a bare minimum. I don't know what Privateers are like in that respect, but if you're that new, most people will want you to get some experience of the game before taking you on.
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Gobblock
AWE Corporation
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Reven Darklight
yeah wow those AFs are really expensive, I think i'm going to have to go with the majority here and pass on it and stick with the basic skills. Those cruiser ships look pretty cool think I might go for those in a little while.
Ok on to some sad news, due to lack of members my corp has more or less disbanded, now these guys seem pretty cool, they did give me a go and a little money to kick me off, but i guess since the disband I'm looking for a new corp.
The CEO of my old corp is headed to some corp called privateers corp alliance or something anyway does anybody know them I'm thinking of joining them, when i looked them up they seem pretty big not really sure if they'd take me on
Sounds like you could use a bit of direction in eve.
Convo or evemail me sometime.
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Helix Fluxx
Caldari
Contempo Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Prophet Jurah
Edited by: Prophet Jurah on 20/03/2007 15:11:48
You don't need to fight on worlds collide. Once you know what to do it's one of the most easy missions. Just run as fast as you can to the cartel gate and then run to the next gate. You only need to fight the ones that attack you when you enter the third room. You'll want to stick with missles for now and attack from outside the range of the enemy. The kestrel can one shot 2 NPCs at once in lv 1 missions. You should save up and get yourself a caracal and heavy missles once you think you're ready for lv2 missions. If you have any questions feel free to ask me ingame.
With a few warpouts, When Worlds Collide is doable with a fight, in a Kessie. Running through the second room I've never been able to do, so I don't know how not dying by running through it is possible.
Originally by: Reven Darklight
yeah wow those AFs are really expensive, I think i'm going to have to go with the majority here and pass on it and stick with the basic skills. Those cruiser ships look pretty cool think I might go for those in a little while.
Ok on to some sad news, due to lack of members my corp has more or less disbanded, now these guys seem pretty cool, they did give me a go and a little money to kick me off, but i guess since the disband I'm looking for a new corp.
The CEO of my old corp is headed to some corp called privateers corp alliance or something anyway does anybody know them I'm thinking of joining them, when i looked them up they seem pretty big not really sure if they'd take me on
Reven, there's enough threads on here about the Privateers. Go read, then form your own opinion. Also before joining any large corp or alliance, most of them will require you to have a certain number of Skillpoints, or be able to do certain things with your ships, as a bare minimum. I don't know what Privateers are like in that respect, but if you're that new, most people will want you to get some experience of the game before taking you on.
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Gobblock
AWE Corporation
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Reven Darklight
yeah wow those AFs are really expensive, I think i'm going to have to go with the majority here and pass on it and stick with the basic skills. Those cruiser ships look pretty cool think I might go for those in a little while.
Ok on to some sad news, due to lack of members my corp has more or less disbanded, now these guys seem pretty cool, they did give me a go and a little money to kick me off, but i guess since the disband I'm looking for a new corp.
The CEO of my old corp is headed to some corp called privateers corp alliance or something anyway does anybody know them I'm thinking of joining them, when i looked them up they seem pretty big not really sure if they'd take me on
Sounds like you could use a bit of direction in eve.
Convo or evemail me sometime.
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Stakhanov
Shih Yang Tong
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:35:00 -
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If the privateer corp does accept you , it might be a good idea to join actually. You're going to lose a lot of frigates , but make millions in loot. It's going to be a wild ride 
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Stakhanov
Shih Yang Tong
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:35:00 -
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If the privateer corp does accept you , it might be a good idea to join actually. You're going to lose a lot of frigates , but make millions in loot. It's going to be a wild ride
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Phandrome
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:38:00 -
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Edited by: Phandrome on 20/03/2007 15:41:52
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Phandrome
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Posted - 2007.03.20 15:38:00 -
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Edited by: Phandrome on 20/03/2007 15:41:52
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Reven Darklight
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.20 19:19:00 -
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Morning all I want to say thanks for the welcome.
As for that worlds collide thing, i was headed towards the gate in the second room but was just totally owned, rat things there start at close range and while i was firing missiles as fast as possible shields and then armor just vanished, its pretty harsh mission really for a n00b. but i guess more experienced or better skilled characters would have better moduals then 4 standed launchers and a civilian shield booster.
well I'm downloading the new patch and ready to start playing, I was chatting with my CEO last night and he decided against privateers in the end, some australian (we're both australians) in 0.0, anzacs I think it was.
I'm not overly sure about this 0.0 thing since I'm only in a frig and they say there are BS(?) rats. I think i should stay in Empire, i think it was called, until at least cruiser, I'm not sure though could i take out a BS with a cruiser
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