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Neph Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate 525	Posted - 2016.09.27 13:03:06 - [1] - Quote Quote: LISUDEH GÇô The Office of Press for the Emperor Family has been left speechless in the last few moments, as confirmation has just arrived that Sanmatar Maleatu Shakor has crossed the Amarr-Matari border under Republic Fleet escort, and is currently en route to the Imperial capital of Dam-Torsad. An unprecedented and completely unexpected turn of events, the confirmation of the SanmatarGÇÖs crossing from Heimatar into the Imperial region of Devoid via the Ammatar Mandate has left both the Amarr and Matari media in a state of utter confusion, as analysts on both sides of the border attempt to theorize on the outcome of what could become the first face to face meeting of the Amarr and Matari heads of state since the formation of the Minmatar Republic. While the Empire traditionally offers an invitation for the Matari head of state to attend events of interstellar significance that are hosted within Imperial borders as a courtesy, this astonishing turn of events marks the first time ever that the leader of the Minmatar Republic will have accepted an invitation of this nature, and will also be the first time in the history of the Republic that the Matari head of state has set foot on Amarr Prime. It is reported at this stage that after almost twenty minutes of confusion at the Ammatar Border, a Republic Fleet convoy of approximately thirty vessels, including a Tempest Tribal Issue carrying Sanmatar Shakor, was granted passage through three Ammatar systems in Derelik before being met in the system of Lisudeh by an Imperial Guard escort. In what appears to be the extension of an olive branch from the Imperial Armed Forces to the Republic Military, the Republic Fleet convoy was permitted to cross the border into Amarr sovereign space, and Sanmatar Shakor is currently under joint Imperial Guard and Republic Fleet escort to the Imperial Capital. I am absolutely shocked and delighted; maybe peace and reason do prevail! ~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~ "Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka
Merchant Rova Pathway to the Next 40	Posted - 2016.09.27 13:05:36 - [2] - Quote This is great news!. Hopefully cooler heads prevail today. P-NXT is recruiting.
Neph Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate 526	Posted - 2016.09.27 13:15:04 - [3] - Quote Unless there's some game, which is doubtful from the small size of the Sanmatar's escort, this means the four powers of New Eden will be in the same room in person, in peace. I don't know what happens next, but that alone will be monumental. ~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~ "Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1368	Posted - 2016.09.27 13:16:55 - [4] - Quote Well that's nice to hear, hope all goes well.
Felise Selunix Keyholder Investment Group 152	Posted - 2016.09.27 13:23:36 - [5] - Quote This is in line with some noises that I've heard coming out of the Sanmatar's office through the clan grapevine. Lots of hush hush meetings between senior diplomats, the Council, and the Sanmatar. With that in mind, I was expecting some sort of diplomatic gesture, but something like this was unexpected. I'm impressed, cautiously optimistic, and suddenly without plans for the rest of the day.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2324	Posted - 2016.09.27 13:30:58 - [6] - Quote Now let's just hope Ronin doesn't decide this constitutes treason. A TTI takes a lot less than 4200 Tornados.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1368	Posted - 2016.09.27 13:41:50 - [7] - Quote Ya, let's hope that. I think the situations changed drastic enough that if his plan was such a thing as attacking the festivities he would keep in mind our Sanmatar is left wide open for retaliation. Fighting the slaver religion is one thing, causing the death of our own leader is another totally different matter...
Cain Aloga Aloga Industries Peoples United Republic Empire 214	Posted - 2016.09.27 13:42:50 - [8] - Quote This gesture by the Sanmatar must not be taken likely. As a Brutor tribesmen and a republic citizen, and I fully support the Sanmatar. As the CEO of Aloga industries, I can only hope that this marks the start of normalized relations, allowing for a larger focus on internal projects within the Republic to improve standard of living and general Matari welfare. While our warriors fight for our people's freedom, we in turn should fight for our people's prosperity.
Samira Kernher 2788	Posted - 2016.09.27 13:43:39 - [9] - Quote If there was ever a sign of how pointless the militia wars are, this is it. This is the second time Amarr has allowed an enemy state to freely enter our space with a fleet of warships, and the first time it is our primary opponent. An interesting development, in any case. Likely only done because Her Ladyship is the only one of the potential heirs who is not pure Amarr. Still rather odd to see Shakor offering a show of support to a woman who's House engages in some of the worst treatment of slaves in the Empire.
Mitara Newelle PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 458	Posted - 2016.09.27 13:49:51 - [10] - Quote Offering a show of support may be overreaching, Ms Kernher. We shall have to wait and see. I have mixed feelings about this very, very unexpected news. Lady Mitara Newelle of House Sarum, Holder of the Mekhios province of Damnidios Para'nashu, Champion of House Sarum, Sworn Upholder of the Faith, Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade Admiral of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Utari Onzo Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance 1356	Posted - 2016.09.27 14:04:10 - [11] - Quote We'll have to see if he uses the occassion to exchange any pleasantries, or instead uses it as a platform to complain about something in a display of terrible ill manners. I hope for the former, because he could say the hypothetical latter at home without needing to take a trip. "Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1594	Posted - 2016.09.27 14:36:29 - [12] - Quote Maybe he is just being polite. The Sanmatar is known for being very polite and level-headed. Almost never see him throw chairs at anyone even once. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Skyweir Kinnison Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 275	Posted - 2016.09.27 14:52:41 - [13] - Quote This is a momentous development. I hope it is the result of careful diplomacy and good faith. What an opportunity for peace presents itself! Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1596	Posted - 2016.09.27 14:54:03 - [14] - Quote Now, if the Tribal Council sent Keitan Yun instead... A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Ashlar Vellum Esquire Armaments 315	Posted - 2016.09.27 15:08:02 - [15] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: If there was ever a sign of how pointless the militia wars are, this is it. This is the second time Amarr has allowed an enemy state to freely enter our space with a fleet of warships, and the first time it is our primary opponent. An interesting development, in any case. Likely only done because Her Ladyship is the only one of the potential heirs who is not pure Amarr. Still rather odd to see Shakor offering a show of support to a woman who's House supports some of the worst treatment of slaves in the Empire. How would you like to see this situation handled, militia attacking the escort fleet and refusing to acknowledge the official Empire invitation?
Jaret Victorian Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 526	Posted - 2016.09.27 15:14:16 - [16] - Quote This is going to be a great day or this is going to be a massive headache. Either way, considering how our kind likes to shoot things for fun, I encourage the not indifferent parties to keep their logistics on stand by. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Follow us on GalNet!
Matar Ronin 1833	Posted - 2016.09.27 15:19:09 - [17] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Now let's just hope Ronin doesn't decide this constitutes treason. A TTI takes a lot less than 4200 Tornados. Little bees like you have little vision, and require even less understanding and actual useful knowledge. Because YOU stand for nothing, YOU fall for anything, Including your own trumped up, fact free, baseless delusions and the myriad of dark rabbit holes they have carried you down. #MAGA Matari Against Goon Asskissers! Pity the fools who follow the lost. GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ " We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2326	Posted - 2016.09.27 15:21:24 - [18] - Quote Matar Ronin wrote: blah blah blah blah Not emptyquoting.
Utari Onzo Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance 1357	Posted - 2016.09.27 15:24:03 - [19] - Quote To get back on track firmly, Mr Ronin how do you feel about this new development? "Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Merchant Rova Pathway to the Next 41	Posted - 2016.09.27 15:25:26 - [20] - Quote Mr. Ronin, could you please not kill the new Empress? P-NXT is recruiting.
Matar Ronin 1834	Posted - 2016.09.27 15:29:16 - [21] - Quote Merchant Rova wrote: Mr. Ronin, could you please not kill the new Empress? Sir the assassination scam was proposed by the goon, ask her, it is her delusion, not mine. GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ " We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Jason Galente Hole Riders Spaceship Samurai 751	Posted - 2016.09.27 15:36:21 - [22] - Quote 30 ships? That's it? It's.. quite shocking that nobody took advantage of the window of time between when the fleet left and when they met up with the Imperial Guard. Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Utari Onzo Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance 1358	Posted - 2016.09.27 15:44:07 - [23] - Quote Jason Galente wrote: 30 ships? That's it? It's.. quite shocking that nobody took advantage of the window of time between when the fleet left and when they met up with the Imperial Guard. Because us 'cultists' might not be so stupid as to attack someone who got an official invitation, whether it was expected they'd use it or not. As for other parties, dunno. "Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Matar Ronin 1834	Posted - 2016.09.27 15:45:52 - [24] - Quote Jason Galente wrote: 30 ships? That's it? It's.. quite shocking that nobody took advantage of the window of time between when the fleet left and when they met up with the Imperial Guard. 30 Minmatar ships are quite enough to handle anything the spineless slavery cultists might have thrown at them. The slavery cultists are most bold when their target is unarmed, not when they can strike back. Imagine if you can Catpiiss Trash-Murky going anyplace without an enormous protection fleet while holed up in a capital coffin, err I mean ship. GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ " We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Jason Galente Hole Riders Spaceship Samurai 751	Posted - 2016.09.27 15:49:35 - [25] - Quote Utari Onzo wrote: Jason Galente wrote: 30 ships? That's it? It's.. quite shocking that nobody took advantage of the window of time between when the fleet left and when they met up with the Imperial Guard. Because us 'cultists' might not be so stupid as to attack someone who got an official invitation, whether it was expected they'd use it or not. As for other parties, dunno. Not just the Amarr/loyalists, quite a large number of organizations/people would want any of the four heads of state dead. Don't be so sensitive fam. Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Samira Kernher 2794	Posted - 2016.09.27 16:04:30 - [26] - Quote Ashlar Vellum wrote: How would you like to see this situation handled, militia attacking the escort fleet and refusing to acknowledge the official Empire invitation? ... uh, what? No. We extended an invitation. It was accepted. It's our duty to provide the utmost hospitality to our guest. My point was that the war is a war in name only. Even our leaders are ignoring it. We should just end it already.
Ashlar Vellum Esquire Armaments 316	Posted - 2016.09.27 16:30:26 - [27] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: Ashlar Vellum wrote: How would you like to see this situation handled, militia attacking the escort fleet and refusing to acknowledge the official Empire invitation? ... uh, what? No. We extended an invitation. It was accepted. It's our duty to provide the utmost hospitality to our guest. My point was that the war is a war in name only. Even our leaders are ignoring it. We should just end it already. For the first time an invitation was accepted, for the first time. Also being courteous and open to discussion does not equal of ignoring it.
Mitara Newelle PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 459	Posted - 2016.09.27 16:33:01 - [28] - Quote Merchant Rova wrote: Mr. Ronin, could you please not kill the new Empress? As if he could. Lady Mitara Newelle of House Sarum, Holder of the Mekhios province of Damnidios Para'nashu, Champion of House Sarum, Sworn Upholder of the Faith, Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade Admiral of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate 1925	Posted - 2016.09.27 16:33:42 - [29] - Quote The Matari are maturing or that's only Shakor. Akrasjel Lanate Founder and CEO of Naquatech Conglomerate Executor of Naquatech Syndicate Citizen of Solitude
Synthetic Cultist Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik 547	Posted - 2016.09.27 16:39:48 - [30] - Quote Jason Galente wrote: 30 ships? That's it? It's.. quite shocking that nobody took advantage of the window of time between when the fleet left and when they met up with the Imperial Guard. In Polite Society, it is considered Somewhat Rude to invite Someone to a Social Function, in order to Assassinate them. Also, Unsporting. Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol. It is Written.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 6431	Posted - 2016.09.27 16:43:41 - [31] - Quote Akrasjel Lanate wrote: The Matari are maturing or that's only Shakor. Or that Tempest is just a bomb with fins on it. For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Utari Onzo Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance 1362	Posted - 2016.09.27 16:57:36 - [32] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Akrasjel Lanate wrote: The Matari are maturing or that's only Shakor. Or that Tempest is just a bomb with fins on it. Well if it's using nuclear ammunition then technically you could say it already is by design..... Oh God. "Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Jason Galente Hole Riders Spaceship Samurai 751	Posted - 2016.09.27 17:09:06 - [33] - Quote Having all four major heads of state together like this is reckless. Is anybody else concerned that a Drifter successful strike could theoretically cripple most known space?.. Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Teinyhr Ourumur 682	Posted - 2016.09.27 17:16:14 - [34] - Quote Jason Galente wrote: Having all four major heads of state together like this is reckless. Is anybody else concerned that a Drifter successful strike could theoretically cripple most known space?.. You are certainly aware that "head of state" is mostly a ceremonial position, and that they simply cannot actually run entire nations single handedly? The nations will be as much as crippled as the Empire was after assassination of Jamyl - in a state of shock and disbelief, but everything didn't just grind to a halt. So no, I am not concerned about Drifters crippling the known space.
Anabella Rella Gradient 2265	Posted - 2016.09.27 17:19:08 - [35] - Quote Wow, we can't even enjoy a moment of hope in a dark universe without lobbing snark bombs and being general asshats to one another. And people wonder why I have such a low opinion of humanity in general and capsuleers in particular. Regardless of what some of you might think we Matari are a peaceful people and good neighbors who respect diplomacy and the rule of law. Yes, we may sometimes act more out of passion than you might wish but, given our history, I think our actions are overall quite understandable. Look, the imperials extended a diplomatic courtesy to the head of the Republic and he accepted. Let's just leave it at that until we know all the facts, shall we? When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Utari Onzo Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance 1362	Posted - 2016.09.27 17:24:29 - [36] - Quote Jason Galente wrote: Utari Onzo wrote: Jason Galente wrote: 30 ships? That's it? It's.. quite shocking that nobody took advantage of the window of time between when the fleet left and when they met up with the Imperial Guard. Because us 'cultists' might not be so stupid as to attack someone who got an official invitation, whether it was expected they'd use it or not. As for other parties, dunno. I never called you 'cultists' Not just the Amarr/loyalists, quite a large number of organizations/people would want any of the four heads of state dead. Don't be so sensitive fam. My reply was more intended to be a barbed retort to Matar Ronin, whom often uses the words 'slaver cultists' to describe us. Any offence to yourself was unintended, and a bonus. Don't be so sensitive 'fam'. Just kidding. Anabella Rella wrote: Wow, we can't even enjoy a moment of hope in a dark universe without lobbing snark bombs and being general asshats to one another. And people wonder why I have such a low opinion of humanity in general and capsuleers in particular. Regardless of what some of you might think we Matari are a peaceful people and good neighbors who respect diplomacy and the rule of law. Yes, we may sometimes act more out of passion than you might wish but, given our history, I think our actions are overall quite understandable. Look, the imperials extended a diplomatic courtesy to the head of the Republic and he accepted. Let's just leave it at that until we know all the facts, shall we? Personally I'm more interested in what the man is wearing. I'm a big fan of suits, and I'm rather curious what, exactly, a Sanmatar of the Republic might wear to a formal outing. Top and tails? Morning dress? Black tie? Number One full military dress? The options! "Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Matar Ronin 1835	Posted - 2016.09.27 17:27:46 - [37] - Quote Hope springs eternal. As long as we don't give in to hating the opponents, and just focus hate on the deplorable inhumane actions they inflict on other human beings, the option of peace and reconciliation exists. Evil is something to pity, not to imitate. GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ " We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2328	Posted - 2016.09.27 17:42:16 - [38] - Quote Utari Onzo wrote: Personally I'm more interested in what the man is wearing. I'm a big fan of suits, and I'm rather curious what, exactly, a Sanmatar of the Republic might wear to a formal outing. Top and tails? Morning dress? Black tie? Number One full military dress? The options! I'm kind of hoping for full-on ceremonial robes, but I can understand if they're a little worried about him whacking someone with the Khumaak. And no, that's not a threat of violence, the man's blind! That makes some people nervous.
Felise Selunix Keyholder Investment Group 152	Posted - 2016.09.27 18:28:29 - [39] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Utari Onzo wrote: Personally I'm more interested in what the man is wearing. I'm a big fan of suits, and I'm rather curious what, exactly, a Sanmatar of the Republic might wear to a formal outing. Top and tails? Morning dress? Black tie? Number One full military dress? The options! I'm kind of hoping for full-on ceremonial robes, but I can understand if they're a little worried about him whacking someone with the Khumaak. And no, that's not a threat of violence, the man's blind! That makes some people nervous. I've heard that it would be something traditionally Brutor in style, but with a bit of the admiralty uniform running through, from a clan member who runs a clothier in the capital that's supposedly frequented by the Sanmatar. And yes, I did hear that a Khumaak would be involved though I hear it would be much too ornate and expensive for that kind of action. I'm really interested in the first address that he makes after coming back from the coronation. This definitely signals a new diplomatic strategy and he'll have to back it up with some sort of new rationale. Exciting times, family. Exciting times.
Merchant Rova Pathway to the Next 42	Posted - 2016.09.27 18:33:47 - [40] - Quote Mr. Ronin, you seem like a fun party guest. P-NXT is recruiting.
Matar Ronin 1837	Posted - 2016.09.27 19:01:17 - [41] - Quote Mitara Newelle wrote: Merchant Rova wrote: Mr. Ronin, could you please not kill the new Empress? As if he could. As if you could protect her any better than the one she is replacing. GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ " We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2334	Posted - 2016.09.27 19:41:22 - [42] - Quote Matar Ronin wrote: Mitara Newelle wrote: Merchant Rova wrote: Mr. Ronin, could you please not kill the new Empress? As if he could. As if you could protect her any better than the one she is replacing. You know that only makes sense if you're claiming credit for killing the last one, right? Honestly, Ronin, this whole routine where you respond to accurate statements with puffed-up chest and bluster doesn't help you. Not one little bit.
Matar Ronin 1837	Posted - 2016.09.27 19:50:39 - [43] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Matar Ronin wrote: Mitara Newelle wrote: Merchant Rova wrote: Mr. Ronin, could you please not kill the new Empress? As if he could. As if you could protect her any better than the one she is replacing. You know that only makes sense if you're claiming credit for killing the last one, right? Honestly, Ronin, this whole routine where you respond to accurate statements with puffed-up chest and bluster doesn't help you. Not one little bit. That only makes sense to a senseless troll. You are dismissed, get a life. GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ " We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Ninavask Alexylva Paradox 112	Posted - 2016.09.27 20:28:10 - [44] - Quote I read the report of Sanmatar traveling to Amarr Prime and now all I can imagine is the worst possible scenarios of the heads of state of the Amarr Empire and Minmatar Republic both being dead by the end of the day. That is how little faith I have in the galaxy as a whole these days. Dr. Ninavask Revan Colonist Alexylva Paradox *The views above are the opinions and beliefs of Dr. Ninavask and do in no way reflect on his employeers or associates at the time of posting.*
Felise Selunix Keyholder Investment Group 155	Posted - 2016.09.27 20:46:20 - [45] - Quote Ninavask wrote: I read the report of Sanmatar traveling to Amarr Prime and now all I can imagine is the worst possible scenarios of the heads of state of the Amarr Empire and Minmatar Republic both being dead by the end of the day. That is how little faith I have in the galaxy as a whole these days. My mind flashed on the same thought when I first heard about it. I think after what's already happened, it would be impossible for it not to cross one's mind.
Felise Selunix Keyholder Investment Group 155	Posted - 2016.09.27 20:47:09 - [46] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Now, if the Tribal Council sent Keitan Yun instead... Ha! I missed this earlier. Can you imagine? I'm glad that the diplomatic corps has grown a bit more subtle since then...
Tyrel Toov Non-Hostile Target 796	Posted - 2016.09.27 20:49:27 - [47] - Quote Matar Ronin wrote: Arrendis wrote: Matar Ronin wrote: Mitara Newelle wrote: Merchant Rova wrote: Mr. Ronin, could you please not kill the new Empress? As if he could. As if you could protect her any better than the one she is replacing. You know that only makes sense if you're claiming credit for killing the last one, right? Honestly, Ronin, this whole routine where you respond to accurate statements with puffed-up chest and bluster doesn't help you. Not one little bit. That only makes sense to a senseless troll. You are dismissed, get a life. Ronin, on behalf of the Minmatar Republic please disengage this conversation before it spoils whatever positive image we have in the cluster. Please? I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Felise Selunix Keyholder Investment Group 155	Posted - 2016.09.27 20:55:42 - [48] - Quote Tyrel Toov wrote: Ronin, on behalf of the Minmatar Republic please disengage this conversation before it spoils whatever positive image we have in the cluster. Please? I wouldn't worry too much, he's doing a lot of broadcasting, but there don't seem to be a lot of serious listeners, unless their tuning in for high comedy. Ronin look, we can all see that you like Arrendis, but you'd probably make a better impression without the troll routine. I don't think she's going for it.
Cain Aloga Aloga Industries Peoples United Republic Empire 216	Posted - 2016.09.27 21:49:24 - [49] - Quote Felise Selunix wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Now, if the Tribal Council sent Keitan Yun instead... Ha! I missed this earlier. Can you imagine? I'm glad that the diplomatic corps has grown a bit more subtle since then... It would appear that Former Ambassador Yun was indeed in attendance. While our warriors fight for our people's freedom, we in turn should fight for our people's prosperity.
Utari Onzo Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance 1371	Posted - 2016.09.27 21:50:19 - [50] - Quote Can I just say it's nice to be pleasantly surprised? Because I have been. Seems the Sanmatar did indeed turn out in traditional dress just as Felise described. And he did, in fact, exchange some pleasantries with our new Empress. So, how about talking business? "Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Samira Kernher 2797	Posted - 2016.09.27 21:53:39 - [51] - Quote Shakor is stretching his guest rights far by bringing the man that started the Empyrean War.
Cain Aloga Aloga Industries Peoples United Republic Empire 218	Posted - 2016.09.27 22:05:12 - [52] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: Shakor is stretching his guest rights far by bringing the man that started the Empyrean War. Yet he does not break them? While our warriors fight for our people's freedom, we in turn should fight for our people's prosperity.
Felise Selunix Keyholder Investment Group 157	Posted - 2016.09.27 22:09:12 - [53] - Quote Cain Aloga wrote: Felise Selunix wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Now, if the Tribal Council sent Keitan Yun instead... Ha! I missed this earlier. Can you imagine? I'm glad that the diplomatic corps has grown a bit more subtle since then... It would appear that Former Ambassador Yun was indeed in attendance. spit take They definitely kept that surprise under wraps, though I imagine for good reason. The media firestorm would have been uncontrollable had anyone known beforehand. It's a little odd because I had heard that the Tribal Council was looking to make Yun much less visible even within Republic diplomatic circles. Interesting.
Cain Aloga Aloga Industries Peoples United Republic Empire 218	Posted - 2016.09.27 22:12:14 - [54] - Quote Felise Selunix wrote: Cain Aloga wrote: Felise Selunix wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Now, if the Tribal Council sent Keitan Yun instead... Ha! I missed this earlier. Can you imagine? I'm glad that the diplomatic corps has grown a bit more subtle since then... It would appear that Former Ambassador Yun was indeed in attendance. spit take They definitely kept that surprise under wraps, though I imagine for good reason. The media firestorm would have been uncontrollable had anyone known beforehand. It's a little odd because I had heard that the Tribal Council was looking to make Yun much less visible even within Republic diplomatic circles. Interesting. Perhaps it is as Samira Of Clan Fjorkir says. The end of the Pendulum wars draws near? While our warriors fight for our people's freedom, we in turn should fight for our people's prosperity.
Samira Kernher 2798	Posted - 2016.09.27 22:17:01 - [55] - Quote Cain Aloga wrote: Samira Kernher wrote: Shakor is stretching his guest rights far by bringing the man that started the Empyrean War. Yet he does not break them? He was given an invitation. He deserves all the hospitality that entails. But maybe next time he should consider not springing these sorts of things on people. Then again, I suppose shock surprises have defined his reign.
Felise Selunix Keyholder Investment Group 157	Posted - 2016.09.27 22:26:28 - [56] - Quote Cain Aloga wrote: Felise Selunix wrote: Cain Aloga wrote: Felise Selunix wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Now, if the Tribal Council sent Keitan Yun instead... Ha! I missed this earlier. Can you imagine? I'm glad that the diplomatic corps has grown a bit more subtle since then... It would appear that Former Ambassador Yun was indeed in attendance. spit take They definitely kept that surprise under wraps, though I imagine for good reason. The media firestorm would have been uncontrollable had anyone known beforehand. It's a little odd because I had heard that the Tribal Council was looking to make Yun much less visible even within Republic diplomatic circles. Interesting. Perhaps it is as Samira Of Clan Fjorkir says. The end of the Pendulum wars draws near? Here, here. I'll raise a glass to that. It's like we say in my clan, 'Even dust storms eventually need a nap.' This could be the beginning of new and exciting economic landscape, though I'll be waiting to hear more from the Sanmatar before getting too excited.
Felise Selunix Keyholder Investment Group 159	Posted - 2016.09.27 22:30:50 - [57] - Quote Utari Onzo wrote: Can I just say it's nice to be pleasantly surprised? Because I have been. Seems the Sanmatar did indeed turn out in traditional dress just as Felise described. And he did, in fact, exchange some pleasantries with our new Empress. So, how about talking business? I was as surprised by the Sanmatar's clothing as anyone as that particular cousin is known to...exaggerate her insider knowledge, but I guess this time she was straight on. A day of surprises indeed. It's been a banner day for diplomacy, hasn't it? Hopefully some substantive high level talks are in the offing. In any event, it's a good start.
Cain Aloga Aloga Industries Peoples United Republic Empire 219	Posted - 2016.09.27 22:34:23 - [58] - Quote Felise Selunix wrote: Here, here. I'll raise a glass to that. It's like we say in my clan, 'Even dust storms eventually need a nap.' This could be the beginning of new and exciting economic landscape, though I'll be waiting to hear more from the Sanmatar before getting too excited. "even the fiercest of storms gives way to the calm sky" These are indeed interesting times. While our warriors fight for our people's freedom, we in turn should fight for our people's prosperity.
Tyrel Toov Non-Hostile Target 798	Posted - 2016.09.28 00:45:25 - [59] - Quote Cain Aloga wrote: Felise Selunix wrote: Here, here. I'll raise a glass to that. It's like we say in my clan, 'Even dust storms eventually need a nap.' This could be the beginning of new and exciting economic landscape, though I'll be waiting to hear more from the Sanmatar before getting too excited. "even the fiercest of storms gives way to the calm sky" These are indeed interesting times. "Can we stop shooting each other for a minute? I wanna finish my drink" one can hope that the useless battle will end. I'm all for a good fight, and one for a cause is better, but chasing each other's tails with live ammo gets costly and pointless quick. I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Slayer Liberator Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 114	Posted - 2016.09.28 00:56:23 - [60] - Quote Jason Galente wrote: Having all four major heads of state together like this is reckless. Is anybody else concerned that a Drifter successful strike could theoretically cripple most known space?.. I thought Roden had a soft clone
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1600	Posted - 2016.09.28 01:33:40 - [61] - Quote Felise Selunix wrote: Cain Aloga wrote: Felise Selunix wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Now, if the Tribal Council sent Keitan Yun instead... Ha! I missed this earlier. Can you imagine? I'm glad that the diplomatic corps has grown a bit more subtle since then... It would appear that Former Ambassador Yun was indeed in attendance. spit take They definitely kept that surprise under wraps, though I imagine for good reason. The media firestorm would have been uncontrollable had anyone known beforehand. It's a little odd because I had heard that the Tribal Council was looking to make Yun much less visible even within Republic diplomatic circles. Interesting. At least Yun knew to hold his tongue this time. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2344	Posted - 2016.09.28 02:51:39 - [62] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: At least Yun knew to hold his tongue this time. Perhaps that was the point: to demonstrate how to actually conduct diplomacy.
Ayallah Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 567	Posted - 2016.09.28 04:23:57 - [63] - Quote Many words about what he might have done, what he wore, and who he brought with him. Very few about what they may have spoken about. "Though dissuaded, I came. Though perilous, I served. Though beset, I persevered. Though denied, I believed." - The Scriptures, Prophet Kuria 12:18
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1600	Posted - 2016.09.28 04:29:50 - [64] - Quote Ayallah wrote: Many words about what he might have done, what he wore, and who he brought with him. Very few about what they may have spoken about. It is up to the Sanmatar and the Tribal Council to decide whether to reveal what was spoken about. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2345	Posted - 2016.09.28 05:02:44 - [65] - Quote Indeed, a little speculation on possible courses of action, and then we stick to discussing the facts, rather than conjuring up wild stories. When he convenes the Council, he will tell us what he will tell us.
Valerie Valate Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik 1667	Posted - 2016.09.28 05:09:42 - [66] - Quote Ayallah wrote: Many words about what he might have done, what he wore, and who he brought with him. Very few about what they may have spoken about. Probably about how young people today are all into "dank memes" and don't respect their elders like they used to. You know, relatively trivial things, due to the whole awkwardness of having to talk to people who in the normal scheme of things you make big long speeches denouncing. Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2345	Posted - 2016.09.28 05:12:32 - [67] - Quote Or perhaps it is because we do respect the Sanmatar that we await his words, rather than trying to put our own in his mouth.
Valerie Valate Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik 1667	Posted - 2016.09.28 05:39:27 - [68] - Quote Well, the occasion was one in which it is more likely to exchange pleasantries, rather than submit long Written lists of demands. Though, what was it ? A half-hour conversation ? There's a lot that would have been said there, beyond just pleasantries. And I am extrapolating from my own experience at social occasions, whereby a Templar for example, who normally denounces me as a "heretic", actually asked me to dance with him. Gosh ! Also, I want to see pictures of the Empress's outfit. I'm sure Synthia would like to as well. Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 2376	Posted - 2016.09.28 05:40:23 - [69] - Quote Tyrel Toov wrote: Matar Ronin wrote: Arrendis wrote: Matar Ronin wrote: As if you could protect her any better than the one she is replacing. You know that only makes sense if you're claiming credit for killing the last one, right? Honestly, Ronin, this whole routine where you respond to accurate statements with puffed-up chest and bluster doesn't help you. Not one little bit. That only makes sense to a senseless troll. You are dismissed, get a life. Ronin, on behalf of the Minmatar Republic please disengage this conversation before it spoils whatever positive image we have in the cluster. Please? I did try to warn him.... Oh, well. About the primary news-- it's intriguing, and hopeful, and a little worrisome. (Though I think a Drifter strike on the site is unlikely, unlikely to actually cripple anybody, and guaranteed to unite the great powers against them). (It would also suggest some bizarre things about the Drifters. An advanced civilization with a weird grudge against heads of state?) (Not that they aren't already a little bizarre.) Anyhow, I could see this going anywhere from a negotiated end to the "Pendulum War" to a diplomatic fireball, particularly if-- do I understand correctly that there's at least one really notorious, controversial person traveling with the Sanmatar?
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1601	Posted - 2016.09.28 05:45:54 - [70] - Quote Valerie Valate wrote: Well, the occasion was one in which it is more likely to exchange pleasantries, rather than submit long Written lists of demands. Though, what was it ? A half-hour conversation ? There's a lot that would have been said there, beyond just pleasantries. And I am extrapolating from my own experience at social occasions, whereby a Templar for example, who normally denounces me as a "heretic", actually asked me to dance with him. Gosh ! Also, I want to see pictures of the Empress's outfit. I'm sure Synthia would like to as well. So you are asking us to gossip-monger about that half-hour conversation? No. That will be disrespectful. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2847	Posted - 2016.09.29 05:28:50 - [71] - Quote Pity he survived the trip. After everything I heard this person did to the Amarr Empire I don't understand why they let him go away without detaining and putting him under trial. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Utari Onzo Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance 1400	Posted - 2016.09.29 05:34:10 - [72] - Quote Because, Ms Kim, he had the rights and protections of an honoured guest. Rights and protections due to him and his party by virtue of him having been invited. We don't backstab people that we invite along to parties in good faith. "Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2389	Posted - 2016.09.29 05:41:43 - [73] - Quote For the record, there's been no news of his return to Republic space. He might be staying for the duration of the celebrations.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2847	Posted - 2016.09.29 06:13:22 - [74] - Quote Utari Onzo wrote: Because, Ms Kim, he had the rights and protections of an honoured guest. Rights and protections due to him and his party by virtue of him having been invited. We don't backstab people that we invite along to parties in good faith. Why would you give honors to a honorless person?... Why would you invite him to the party and not for imprisonment?... I understand when you give your word even to honorless person, you have still to follow it. But why give this word at all?... Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Utari Onzo Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance 1401	Posted - 2016.09.29 06:38:07 - [75] - Quote Because the Empress and the Emperor Family chose to extend the invitation, Ms Kim, and it is not for us to argue with them. The Minmatar Republic's head of state has been invited to coronations as a matter of course since the signing of the Yulai treaty that created CONCORD, and this time they chose to accept. I would personally not second guess my Empress' choice of guest. "Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Yarosara Ruil 631	Posted - 2016.09.29 06:46:28 - [76] - Quote Even I know that hurting guests is a crummy thing to do. Specially when they were actually invited.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2847	Posted - 2016.09.29 06:47:57 - [77] - Quote Utari Onzo wrote: Because the Empress and the Emperor Family chose to extend the invitation, Ms Kim, and it is not for us to argue with them. The Minmatar Republic's head of state has been invited to coronations as a matter of course since the signing of the Yulai treaty that created CONCORD, and this time they chose to accept. I would personally not second guess my Empress' choice of guest. I was just trying to understand, Mr. Onzo, but I understand your way of reasoning and I won't pry further if you put it this way. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Utari Onzo Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance 1401	Posted - 2016.09.29 06:57:58 - [78] - Quote I can perfectly relate your surprise Ms Kim, as it's one shared by the Amarr. We've all grown accustomed to the idea that the Sanmatar gets his invitation, sent as a curtousy to a fellow head of state, and that he'd then refuse to attend. It's just this time he chose to come along (and had a good time by all accounts) and well.. If we gave our word, even if expecting it to be flatly refused, we're honour bound to follow it regardless when it's called upon. Outside of that I can't really debate further because I don't know any more of the details. However, I will speculate from Her Majesty's promises of more foreign trade that it's likely the Empire is seeking a d+¬tente with the Republic and the Sanmatar's acceptance of his invitation is a first step towards a more mutually beneficial relationship. I think any business minded Caldari would look favourably on a deal like that, and it's no different for a business minded Tash-Murkonite like myself. More trade is good. "Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Jason Galente Hole Riders Spaceship Samurai 758	Posted - 2016.09.29 07:18:38 - [79] - Quote I'll drink to that, Utari. Hell, maybe the empires aren't so hopeless after all if they can cut this **** out. I doubt it, but hell, I'll be optimistic for once. Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Jason Galente Hole Riders Spaceship Samurai 758	Posted - 2016.09.29 07:20:39 - [80] - Quote Ayallah wrote: Many words about what he might have done, what he wore, and who he brought with him. Very few about what they may have spoken about. Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people. Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2847	Posted - 2016.09.29 07:41:57 - [81] - Quote Utari Onzo wrote: I can perfectly relate your surprise Ms Kim, as it's one shared by the Amarr. We've all grown accustomed to the idea that the Sanmatar gets his invitation, sent as a curtousy to a fellow head of state, and that he'd then refuse to attend. It's just this time he chose to come along (and had a good time by all accounts) and well.. If we gave our word, even if expecting it to be flatly refused, we're honour bound to follow it regardless when it's called upon. Outside of that I can't really debate further because I don't know any more of the details. However, I will speculate from Her Majesty's promises of more foreign trade that it's likely the Empire is seeking a d+¬tente with the Republic and the Sanmatar's acceptance of his invitation is a first step towards a more mutually beneficial relationship. I think any business minded Caldari would look favourably on a deal like that, and it's no different for a business minded Tash-Murkonite like myself. More trade is good. I agree that the more trade is good. But the criminals shall not be left without punishment, and making business deals with criminals is... counterproductive. From my point of view, peoples like Shakor shall be detained, and if I am correct about Empire laws, enslaved. When the Republic gets lawful representative, then I would understand dealing with them. Though I myself would recommend to any State aligned corporations to stay away from any dealings with minmatars. They are too unstable and unreliable to make deals with. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Jason Galente Hole Riders Spaceship Samurai 760	Posted - 2016.09.29 07:43:46 - [82] - Quote Ok kim. Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Matar Ronin 1877	Posted - 2016.09.29 07:52:01 - [83] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Utari Onzo wrote: I can perfectly relate your surprise Ms Kim, as it's one shared by the Amarr. We've all grown accustomed to the idea that the Sanmatar gets his invitation, sent as a curtousy to a fellow head of state, and that he'd then refuse to attend. It's just this time he chose to come along (and had a good time by all accounts) and well.. If we gave our word, even if expecting it to be flatly refused, we're honour bound to follow it regardless when it's called upon. Outside of that I can't really debate further because I don't know any more of the details. However, I will speculate from Her Majesty's promises of more foreign trade that it's likely the Empire is seeking a d+¬tente with the Republic and the Sanmatar's acceptance of his invitation is a first step towards a more mutually beneficial relationship. I think any business minded Caldari would look favourably on a deal like that, and it's no different for a business minded Tash-Murkonite like myself. More trade is good. I agree that the more trade is good. But the criminals shall not be left without punishment, and making business deals with criminals is... counterproductive. From my point of view, peoples like Shakor shall be detained, and if I am correct about Empire laws, enslaved. When the Republic gets lawful representative, then I would understand dealing with them. Though I myself would recommend to any State aligned corporations to stay away from any dealings with minmatars. They are too unstable and unreliable to make deals with. Fortunately no one even in the state is going to listen to a rogue low level militia capsuleer. They hire your type to do the dirty work their important state representatives can't be bothered with. It seems like everyone in New Eden knows you are "special" except you. Oneday I hope you get the psychiatric help you so desperately need. Until then you can perform your role as a blunt instrument of violence that goes home alone because no other human beings can stand you. GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ " We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2848	Posted - 2016.09.29 09:01:09 - [84] - Quote Matar Ronin wrote: Fortunately no one even in the state is going to listen to a rogue low level militia capsuleer. They hire your type to do the dirty work their important state representatives can't be bothered with. It seems like everyone in New Eden knows you are "special" except you. Oneday I hope you get the psychiatric help you so desperately need. Until then you can perform your role as a blunt instrument of violence that goes home alone because no other human beings can stand you. This amount of lies and propaganda is a quite vivid example, why peace between the Republic and the State (of course with our allies - the Empire) doesn't look possible at all... well, while peoples like Matar Ronin are alive, of course. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Tyrel Toov Non-Hostile Target 806	Posted - 2016.09.29 18:44:47 - [85] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Matar Ronin wrote: Fortunately no one even in the state is going to listen to a rogue low level militia capsuleer. They hire your type to do the dirty work their important state representatives can't be bothered with. It seems like everyone in New Eden knows you are "special" except you. Oneday I hope you get the psychiatric help you so desperately need. Until then you can perform your role as a blunt instrument of violence that goes home alone because no other human beings can stand you. This amount of lies and propaganda is a quite vivid example, why peace between the Republic and the State (of course with our allies - the Empire) doesn't look possible at all... well, while peoples like Matar Ronin are alive, of course. It's a good thing that you don't speak for the State or the Empire. Also, from my perspective, you fall into the same group of loudmouth fools that he does. Cut it out already and save what's left of your dignity... both of you. I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources 179	Posted - 2016.09.30 20:18:30 - [86] - Quote Hopefully one day Shakor will explain what this move was supposed to achieve. If anyone has the obligation to release tensions between the two empires it's the Amarr. If Catiz wants to come and visit Matar and kiss the ground I'm sure she's welcome to do that without invitation. Doing the first step just shows how far Shakor stands above this pompous institution of an Empress - and nobody call Catiz Tash-Murkon's invitation or all the former invitations to those conceited ceremonies a first step, the hard part to accept was no doubt on Shakor's side. However, is it appropriate and politically smart for a leader to offer a hand to the villain who murdered and kidnapped his people, holds them in slavery and puts them under drugs, continues to do so and shows no serious sign of regret? Even more confusing is why he brought the man with him who slapped - just well-deservedly and, in regard of the whole history, slightly - in the kidnapper's face. How does that look like? "Now, Keitan, be good and say 'Excuse me! I won't do that again.' to the Lady!" Not to mention how much Shakor's visit smells of begging for a piece of the economic cake everybody expects to emerge from Tash-Murkon's reign. I'm not a hardliner for the Minmatar cause and would agree to every kind of informal and bilateral cooperation between the empires - on the right level. There are many people, corporations and communities in the Amarr Empire to easily work with if they haven't been brainwashed or even killed by the Amarr's theocratic, old reactionary and diehard institutions. But the head of the Republic in Dam-Torsad is just a level too high and places an unfortunate symbol of weakness rather than greatness of mind. These are my thoughts, perhaps Shakor's go deeper and are much more refined. Right now I can't see them, but future will show.
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1386	Posted - 2016.09.30 20:25:55 - [87] - Quote He did it for a reason, let's wait and see where it goes.....
Utari Onzo Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance 1412	Posted - 2016.09.30 21:19:26 - [88] - Quote As a believer in the principles of the Pax Amarria, I for one would welcome bilateral talks to work towards a common ground in both economic and political relations. I am also, however, quite realistic of what giving the real demand here would cost to both of our states. A gradual work towards reform, progress and reconcilliation is the only sensible option for both parties. There's too many old stakes and old minds still involved on both sides for it to be otherwise, and neither party would cope with an immediate implementation of what I know you are asking for. The example of the Emancipation Decree before should be a lesson to take onboard. "Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2413	Posted - 2016.09.30 21:36:16 - [89] - Quote Kolmogorow wrote: If Catiz wants to come and visit Matar and kiss the ground I'm sure she's welcome to do that without invitation. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say 'huh, maybe Amarr warships showing up in Matari space uninvited isn't the best way to encourage peaceful relations.' I mean, you know, they've done that before. It didn't go so well for us. Still a little in the way of hard feelings from that one. Quote: Doing the first step just shows how far Shakor stands above this pompous institution of an Empress - and nobody call Catiz Tash-Murkon's invitation or all the former invitations to those conceited ceremonies a first step, the hard part to accept was no doubt on Shakor's side. You know, not that I don't love me some Shakor, but... dumping on the new Empress for having not made more of an effort on behalf of the Empire before she was Empress... it's a little premature. Quote: Even more confusing is why he brought the man with him who slapped - just well-deservedly and, in regard of the whole history, slightly - in the kidnapper's face. How does that look like? "Now, Keitan, be good and say 'Excuse me! I won't do that again.' to the Lady!" Not to mention how much Shakor's visit smells of begging for a piece of the economic cake everybody expects to emerge from Tash-Murkon's reign. Or 'don't make me let him slap you again'.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 6449	Posted - 2016.09.30 22:04:46 - [90] - Quote Empress Catiz is still the Empress and, therefore, it is her place to speak to put former Imperial policy in the context of her current Administration's goals. She now has the opportunity to act in continuation, amendment or a break away from previous Imperial policy - but blaming her on the day of her coronation as personally to blame for the acts of former Imperial heads smacks of victimhood. Let her at least get her feed under her first. As for Shakor and Yun - if I'm not mistaken, the two of them have been politically aligned since well before the Elder Fleet raid. If Keitan Yun accompanies Malateau Shakor on a diplomatic mission then that says that Shakor stands behind Yun's diplomatic record. The fact that Yun didn't fling crap around the place during this mission also says that Yun acts at Shakor's orders and that the Sanmatar is, perhaps, cautiously optimistic that there is something to be won by diplomacy at this point. It will make any future comments made by Yun all the more credible as a statement of Republic policy, no? For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2415	Posted - 2016.09.30 22:08:55 - [91] - Quote Let's hope so, at least. Getting things back on track diplomatically would be a very welcome development.
Felise Selunix Keyholder Investment Group 168	Posted - 2016.09.30 23:30:00 - [92] - Quote I really think that the real meat of this this move diplomatically will really become clearer in the coming weeks. If I had to guess, this gesture was the loud noise designed to draw attention, and that the diplomatic moves that we'll see in the coming weeks will say more about the actual diplomatic direction that Shakor has in mind. Regardless, it definitely seems like a move that signals a change in the current relationship with Amarr--and the wider Cluster--that I think offers more options for action and effectiveness in international developments. Kolmogorow wrote: However, is it appropriate and politically smart for a leader to offer a hand to the villain who murdered and kidnapped his people, holds them in slavery and puts them under drugs, continues to do so and shows no serious sign of regret? The way I see it, those are excellent reasons to extend a hand. With Arrendis' point about visiting the sins of her predecessors upon Catiz, it is because this entity holds a great deal of power over the political change that that we (and the Sanmatar by extension) want to see. Whether we like it or not, Catiz will have a great deal of power over the institution of slavery and its future within the Empire. Given that, I think it's to our advantage to be in some kind of conversation with the source of that power. It reminds me of a situation that my aunt is involved in in Sinq Liaison. She's a part of the regional business association and regularly hosts parties, events and such with the members. Many of these members are the same wholesalers, distributors, and manufacturers who wouldn't hesitate to use every trick in the book to rip her off. Yet there she is, laughing away over cocktails and hors d'erves with these creeps. I asked her why she puts up with it sometime back and she said, 'because they're the game that I need play.' Now I'm not sure that Shakor's reasons are as adversarial as my aunt's, but I think the general principle is the same. Kolmogorow wrote: Even more confusing is why he brought the man with him who slapped - just well-deservedly and, in regard of the whole history, slightly - in the kidnapper's face. How does that look like? "Now, Keitan, be good and say 'Excuse me! I won't do that again.' to the Lady!" Not to mention how much Shakor's visit smells of begging for a piece of the economic cake everybody expects to emerge from Tash-Murkon's reign. This makes me think that this move was a message directed at the international community, rather than just toward the Empire. Remember, the heads of each state and several important internationals were in attendance, and so the Coronation was as much of an international event as it was a rite of the Empire. I think the Sanmatar saw this as a chance to make a statement about the Republic's international ambitions and that Yun's accompaniment was a part of that. One of the major criticisms that I've heard of the Republic is that there's a perception that there is a lack of control from the top, especially among military and diplomatic personnel. Colelie is often used as an example of action being taken without widespread approval or coordination. I think that the charge is somewhat inaccurate, but I think it persists. I see the Sanmatar's choice of companions as a statement that even hardline voices are behind him. It's a way of saying 'I'm making a bold diplomatic move, and I have the power to make it stick' and I think that message was direct to the entire Cluster. The fact that Yun was pretty silent during and after the event speaks volumes. Just my .02 isk, though. I think you've got a good point about the move being too bold, but you know Shakor, when he's ready to move, he doesn't mess around. :)
Tyrel Toov Non-Hostile Target 821	Posted - 2016.09.30 23:45:22 - [93] - Quote Boils down to two outcomes, neither of which we have enough information to confirm or deny: either things will get more peaceful, or we start servicing the artillery. Could end up being both. I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources 180	Posted - 2016.10.01 00:17:02 - [94] - Quote I'm sorry if I was unclear in some points but, of course, I don't blame the new Empress for not having made an effort yet to improve relations. The point is that Shakor accepted an invitation which isn't only an invitation to a coronation ceremony by the private person Catiz Tash-Murkon. It's the invitation of the whole Amarr Empires' representative. Nobody of the former ones made a serious step to end the dark history between the empires - with the appreciated but much too small exception of Empress Jamyl's I. Decree of Emancipation (Utari Onzo mentioned it). Now, Shakor takes part to celebrate this questionable tradition, and I can't see a sign that Catiz will break it, given her thoughts about the Reclaiming and the fact that her inaugural speech didn't mention anything about conciliation and intercultural relations beyond economy and trade - as if that would be new - but a lot about the growth of her armed forces. Maybe, as Arrendis speculates, Shakor took Yun with him for quite the opposite reason than I was assuming. Maybe. Anyway, as others already said, it's all speculation. We have to wait for the next steps to understand Shakor's motivation.

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