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General Apocalypse Amarr The Merchant Marines	Posted - 2007.03.21 00:53:00 - [1] Edited by: General Apocalypse on 21/03/2007 00:50:28 Ok so i'd at the cross rowed between this 2 monsters. I tried to fit a Vindi but his CPU problems make baby jesus cry . Not even a full reck of best named t1 ion and he needs a Co-Processor II to fill his last low PG is also a prob. Maybe it's my mistake to try and fit a active tank but hell. Anyhow i tild more and more for the mach . Faster cheaper more vesatile Almost NOS proof and a sweet dmg . Here's my posibile Mach fit . Advice is very apreciated. BTW my skill are decent but not uber If someone can provide a Vindi setup as versatile and cheap as this baby it't woud be great Machariel 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I [60xEMP L] 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I [60xEMP L] 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I [60xEMP L] 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I [60xEMP L] 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I [60xEMP L] 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I [60xEMP L] Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Warp Disruptor II Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I [4xCap Booster 800] Large Armor Repairer II Centus X-Type Armor Explosive Hardener Centus X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener Centus X-Type Armor Thermic Hardener Internal Force Field Array I Counterbalanced Weapon Mounts I Counterbalanced Weapon Mounts I Rigs : Ancillary Current Router I \ Auxiliary Nano Pump I \ Targeting System Subcontroller I \ Hammerhead I Hammerhead I Hammerhead I Hammerhead I Hammerhead I 9301 shield, 10.94/s, E/T/K/Ex=11/29/46/64 10434 armor, E/T/K/Ex=74/79/76/72 4582.03125 cap, +11.44/s, -112.316/s 1267.0 m/s 332.9 DPS
Zekk Pacus Caldari StateCorp	Posted - 2007.03.21 01:03:00 - [2] If you can't use t2, don't fly faction.
General Apocalypse Amarr The Merchant Marines	Posted - 2007.03.21 01:22:00 - [3] Originally by: Zekk Pacus If you can't use t2, don't fly faction. Give me a break will ya . I know that t2 fit woud kick ass and i'm also trainig for it. Fit those banys whit t2 and let the mach as versatile as he is now pls. The vindi seems even more vulnerable when it's constarined whit t2 guns . However t2 electrons sound just meh While the dmg modifier is still under t1 ions . And besides in a age when NOS domix and othe ships tank like hell it seems to me that the double nos and injector will save you and help you overcome certain wepon fire . Ex: Megapulse abaddon even if he has 1 web on you. I indend to use it for a lot of solo work btw.
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.21 01:25:00 - [4] This setup is better tbh. And i prefer better tank over better speed on the Machariel. High-Slot: 6x Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II 1x Dark Blood Large EMP Smartbomb 1x Tairei's Modified Heavy Nosferatu (33km range) Med-Slot: 1x Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner 1x Domination Warp Disruptor 1x Domination Stasis Webifier 1x Tairei's Modified Heavy Capacitor Booster 1x Tuvan's Modified Sensor Booster Low-Slot: 2x Tairei's Modified Large Armor Repairer 1x Corpus X-Type Armor Explosive Hardener 1x Corpus X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener 1x Corpus X-Type Armor Thermic Hardener 1x Damage Control II 1x Hakim's Modified Gyrostabilizer Rig-Slots (350 Calibration Points In Total): 1: Semiconductor Memory Cell II (150 Calibration Cost) Gives 20% more Cap in total 2: Auxiliary Nano Pump II (150 Calibration Cost) Gives 20% more armor repair bonus 3: Anti-Explosive Pump I (50 Calibration Cost) Gives 30% more explosive resistance And ofc, 3x heavy / 1x heavy & 5x medium drones Armor: 10868.75 HP. Armor Resist: EM: 74.5% / Explosive: 78.1% / Kinetic: 76.52% / Thermal: 79.65%. Total Capacitor: 7650. Max Cap Regen: 20.29 per sec / Max Cap Needed: 115.342 per sec. Velocity: 523.253 m/s. DPS: 702 DPS on a Charon with Hail L, and that's only with t1 drones. Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Zekk Pacus Caldari StateCorp	Posted - 2007.03.21 01:28:00 - [5] Originally by: General Apocalypse Originally by: Zekk Pacus If you can't use t2, don't fly faction. Give me a break will ya . I know that t2 fit woud kick ass and i'm also trainig for it. Fit those banys whit t2 and let the mach as versatile as he is now pls. The vindi seems even more vulnerable when it's constarined whit t2 guns . However t2 electrons sound just meh While the dmg modifier is still under t1 ions . And besides in a age when NOS domix and othe ships tank like hell it seems to me that the double nos and injector will save you and help you overcome certain wepon fire . Ex: Megapulse abaddon even if he has 1 web on you. I indend to use it for a lot of solo work btw. Honestly, unless you can use t2 gear and use it well, it's just not worth the extra price of a faction BS over, say, a Tempest (in this case). Unless you've got more ISK than you know what to do with, in which case I'd have to ask where you got it and if you'd mind sharing that source...
General Apocalypse Amarr The Merchant Marines	Posted - 2007.03.21 01:30:00 - [6] Edited by: General Apocalypse on 21/03/2007 01:28:46 Originally by: NightmareX This setup is better tbh. And i prefer better tank over better speed on the Machariel. High-Slot: 6x Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II 1x Dark Blood Large EMP Smartbomb 1x Tairei's Modified Heavy Nosferatu (33km range) Med-Slot: 1x Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner 1x Domination Warp Disruptor 1x Domination Stasis Webifier 1x Tairei's Modified Heavy Capacitor Booster 1x Tuvan's Modified Sensor Booster Low-Slot: 2x Tairei's Modified Large Armor Repairer 1x Corpus X-Type Armor Explosive Hardener 1x Corpus X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener 1x Corpus X-Type Armor Thermic Hardener 1x Damage Control II 1x Hakim's Modified Gyrostabilizer Rig-Slots (350 Calibration Points In Total): 1: Semiconductor Memory Cell II (150 Calibration Cost) Gives 20% more Cap in total 2: Auxiliary Nano Pump II (150 Calibration Cost) Gives 20% more armor repair bonus 3: Anti-Explosive Pump I (50 Calibration Cost) Gives 30% more explosive resistance And ofc, 3x heavy / 1x heavy & 5x medium drones Armor: 10868.75 HP. Armor Resist: EM: 74.5% / Explosive: 78.1% / Kinetic: 76.52% / Thermal: 79.65%. Total Capacitor: 7650. Max Cap Regen: 20.29 per sec / Max Cap Needed: 115.342 per sec. Velocity: 523.253 m/s. DPS: 702 DPS on a Charon with Hail L, and that's only with t1 drones. WoW Nice set up . Personaly i'm looking for something that's close range since most combat evolvs around a gate . Also double web is nice to have agains pesky vagas and slepnirs. Do you think you coud adapt that setup to be at something around 700 M - 1 B pls
General Apocalypse Amarr The Merchant Marines	Posted - 2007.03.21 01:32:00 - [7] Originally by: Zekk Pacus Originally by: General Apocalypse Originally by: Zekk Pacus If you can't use t2, don't fly faction. Give me a break will ya . I know that t2 fit woud kick ass and i'm also trainig for it. Fit those banys whit t2 and let the mach as versatile as he is now pls. The vindi seems even more vulnerable when it's constarined whit t2 guns . However t2 electrons sound just meh While the dmg modifier is still under t1 ions . And besides in a age when NOS domix and othe ships tank like hell it seems to me that the double nos and injector will save you and help you overcome certain wepon fire . Ex: Megapulse abaddon even if he has 1 web on you. I indend to use it for a lot of solo work btw. Honestly, unless you can use t2 gear and use it well, it's just not worth the extra price of a faction BS over, say, a Tempest (in this case). Unless you've got more ISK than you know what to do with, in which case I'd have to ask where you got it and if you'd mind sharing that source... Tha mach evolves somewere around 350-500 M atm so it's a nice cheap ship And isk comes from t2 loot
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.21 01:36:00 - [8] Edited by: NightmareX on 21/03/2007 01:33:34 Originally by: General Apocalypse WoW Nice set up . Personaly i'm looking for something that's close range since most combat evolvs around a gate . Also double web is nice to have agains pesky vagas and slepnirs. Do you think you coud adapt that setup to be at something around 700 M - 1 B pls Well i don't have the setup i just wrote in this setup, but i have some of it, and if you want to see the setup i have right now on my Machariel, then look HERE But the setup i have now have costed me like 900 mill - 1 bill isk so far, and that's without the last officer Large Armor Repairer, the officer Sensor Booster and the Gyrostabilizer + the Rigs. Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE The Foundation.	Posted - 2007.03.21 01:45:00 - [9] Originally by: NightmareX This setup is better tbh. And i prefer better tank over better speed on the Machariel. High-Slot: 6x Dual 650mm Repeating Artillery II 1x Dark Blood Large EMP Smartbomb 1x Tairei's Modified Heavy Nosferatu (33km range) Med-Slot: 1x Core X-Type 100MN Afterburner 1x Domination Warp Disruptor 1x Domination Stasis Webifier 1x Tairei's Modified Heavy Capacitor Booster 1x Tuvan's Modified Sensor Booster Low-Slot: 2x Tairei's Modified Large Armor Repairer 1x Corpus X-Type Armor Explosive Hardener 1x Corpus X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener 1x Corpus X-Type Armor Thermic Hardener 1x Damage Control II 1x Hakim's Modified Gyrostabilizer Rig-Slots (350 Calibration Points In Total): 1: Semiconductor Memory Cell II (150 Calibration Cost) Gives 20% more Cap in total 2: Auxiliary Nano Pump II (150 Calibration Cost) Gives 20% more armor repair bonus 3: Anti-Explosive Pump I (50 Calibration Cost) Gives 30% more explosive resistance And ofc, 3x heavy / 1x heavy & 5x medium drones Armor: 10868.75 HP. Armor Resist: EM: 74.5% / Explosive: 78.1% / Kinetic: 76.52% / Thermal: 79.65%. Total Capacitor: 7650. Max Cap Regen: 20.29 per sec / Max Cap Needed: 115.342 per sec. Velocity: 523.253 m/s. DPS: 702 DPS on a Charon with Hail L, and that's only with t1 drones. that got to hurt.. but could it change 1 of the cap rig s for a falloff rig? AC bennefit soooo much from it. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.21 01:51:00 - [10] Originally by: Kagura Nikon that got to hurt.. but could it change 1 of the cap rig s for a falloff rig? AC bennefit soooo much from it. If you want falloff, just use Barrage L, then you get 30km falloff with maxed falloff skill, like i have, and then you have 5.4km optimal range, so in other hand, you can hit at 40-42km with Barrage L ammo Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.21 05:37:00 - [11] Edited by: NightmareX on 21/03/2007 05:43:45 Oh btw, since this topic is about Vindicator to, then i'm gonna give you a good setup to the Vindicator, even when i'm not any expert with that ship, and i don't have this ship either. High-Slot: 7x Electron Blaster Cannon II 1x Tairei's Modified Heavy Nosferatu Med-Slot: 1x Gist X-Type 100MN MicroWarpDrive 1x Domination Warp Disruptor 1x Domination Stasis Webifier 1x Tairei's Modified Heavy Capacitor Booster 1x Tuvan's Modified Sensor Booster Low-Slot: 2x Setele's Modified Large Armor Repairer 1x Corpus X-Type Armor Explosive Hardener 1x Corpus X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener 1x Corpus X-Type Armor Thermic Hardener 1x Damage Control II 1x Brynn's Modified Magnetic Field Stabilizer This setup only fit for me if i use a -3% to cpu usage on turrets implant, and i only have 0.15 CPU left and 86.28 powergrid left on this setup And this is the rigs i would use on this ship. Rig-Slots (350 Calibration Points In Total): 1: Semiconductor Memory Cell II (150 Calibration Cost) Gives 20% more Cap in total 2: Auxiliary Nano Pump II (150 Calibration Cost) Gives 20% more armor repair bonus 3: Anti-EM Pump I (50 Calibration Cost) Gives 30% more EM resistance And the drones is up to you to choose Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.21 06:04:00 - [12] Might is say DONT FLY FACTION UNLESS T2 FITTED. As for which is better i'd put my money on the mach,but trust me it will be very,very close. __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space.
General Apocalypse Amarr The Merchant Marines	Posted - 2007.03.21 08:31:00 - [13] Thx Nightmare X you've been realy helpfull . And for those of you who say don't fly factio whidout t2 . You can shove that in your .... T2 offers only 10% extra dps per gun and the lovely t2 ammo wich atm is kinda fubar. Whiout t2 it won't be a OMGFKINGHAX0R ship but it will still kick ass. Anyone that wanna help the Vindicator
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.21 08:47:00 - [14] Originally by: General Apocalypse Thx Nightmare X you've been realy helpfull . And for those of you who say don't fly factio whidout t2 . You can shove that in your .... T2 offers only 10% extra dps per gun and the lovely t2 ammo wich atm is kinda fubar. Whiout t2 it won't be a OMGFKINGHAX0R ship but it will still kick ass. Anyone that wanna help the Vindicator No problem, i'm always happy to help out with setups and that. But yeah, if you go for t1 weapons on a faction ship, then at least go for faction / officer guns on the ship. Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.21 09:03:00 - [15] Originally by: NightmareX 3: Anti-EM Pump I (50 Calibration Cost) Gives 30% more EM resistance Extra EM resistance on armor? ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.21 09:08:00 - [16] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: NightmareX 3: Anti-EM Pump I (50 Calibration Cost) Gives 30% more EM resistance Extra EM resistance on armor? Yes, i only had 66% EM resist on armor on the Vindicator on the setup longer up, so i just added that rig to get it up to what the other resists are Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Akane Miyamoto Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.21 09:13:00 - [17] High-Slot: 7x Electron Blaster Cannon II 1x Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I Med-Slot: 1x Core X-Type 100MN MicroWarpDrive 1x Domination Warp Disruptor 2x Domination Stasis Webifier 1x Ahremen's Modified Heavy Capacitor Booster Low-Slot: 2x Vizan's Modified Large Armor Repairer 1x Internal Force Field Array 1x Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 1x Corpum A-Type Energized Reactive Membrane 2x Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer You're gonna need a -5% CPU implant for that. But I'm gonna laugh if you can't afford one with that fit included :p Resists are around 70% for each. As for rigs, I'd go for: 1x Ancillary Current Router I 1x Hybrid Burst Aerator I 1x Free slot with 50 calibration power left :\ Alternatively you could use armor rep amount rigs along with resists/armor amount rigs.. Or just plain cap recharge rigs. With maxed skills you can get around 1170 DPS by using 5 Ogre IIs as drones.. It's not perfect but it's a decent fit.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.21 09:52:00 - [18] Originally by: General Apocalypse Thx Nightmare X you've been realy helpfull . And for those of you who say don't fly factio whidout t2 . You can shove that in your .... T2 offers only 10% extra dps per gun and the lovely t2 ammo wich atm is kinda fubar. Whiout t2 it won't be a OMGFKINGHAX0R ship but it will still kick ass. Anyone that wanna help the Vindicator 10% extra dps PER GUN?Dont know about the dps math but according to that if you went t2 you would get 60% more dps? As for t2 ammo,people still use it and yes the extra dps is worth it,atleast for shortrange guns,the sniper weapons are iffy. __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space.
Akane Miyamoto Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.21 11:12:00 - [19] Originally by: goodby4u As for t2 ammo,people still use it and yes the extra dps is worth it,atleast for shortrange guns,the sniper weapons are iffy. Void L and Javelin L <3 for DPS
50freefly Caldari Purify Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.03.21 11:20:00 - [20] Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: General Apocalypse Thx Nightmare X you've been realy helpfull . And for those of you who say don't fly factio whidout t2 . You can shove that in your .... T2 offers only 10% extra dps per gun and the lovely t2 ammo wich atm is kinda fubar. Whiout t2 it won't be a OMGFKINGHAX0R ship but it will still kick ass. Anyone that wanna help the Vindicator 10% extra dps PER GUN?Dont know about the dps math but according to that if you went t2 you would get 60% more dps? As for t2 ammo,people still use it and yes the extra dps is worth it,atleast for shortrange guns,the sniper weapons are iffy. No, that's not how the math works hehe. 10 percent extra per gun = 10 percent extra Originally by: Eight Ace For reasons that have been lost in the mists of time all caldari ships are designed by two people. One does the left hand side and the other does the right. And they never meet.
smallgreenblur Minmatar Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2007.03.21 11:26:00 - [21] maelstrom > macharial 1040 dps ftw sgb
Elliott Manchild omen. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.03.21 11:30:00 - [22] My vind setup atm is: 7x Electron Blaster Cannon II 1x cloak of some sort I can't remeber which it is. 1x Gist X-Type 100MN MicroWarpDrive 1x Domination Warp Disruptor 1x Domination Stasis Webifier 1x Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster 1x selynee's Heavy Cap booster 2x Core X-Type large armor rep (use these instead of centus because of the 400 cap instead of 450) 1x Damage Control II 2x Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 2x Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer Rigs 1x EXP res rig 2x Armor rep amount Your sig is too big, maximum size is 24000 bytes. Email us at [email protected] if you have any questions. - Devil Leave me be you evil mods =[
Suzy Creamcheesz	Posted - 2007.03.21 12:02:00 - [23] Originally by: goodby4u Originally by: General Apocalypse Thx Nightmare X you've been realy helpfull . And for those of you who say don't fly factio whidout t2 . You can shove that in your .... T2 offers only 10% extra dps per gun and the lovely t2 ammo wich atm is kinda fubar. Whiout t2 it won't be a OMGFKINGHAX0R ship but it will still kick ass. Anyone that wanna help the Vindicator 10% extra dps PER GUN?Dont know about the dps math but according to that if you went t2 you would get 60% more dps? As for t2 ammo,people still use it and yes the extra dps is worth it,atleast for shortrange guns,the sniper weapons are iffy. indeed. its not just the extra 10%, thats just the guns extra base damage. you also have to figure in the specialisation bonus (most people have to lvl 4, which gives another 8%) and then t2 ammo which is either same as t1 damage but with extra range, or about 20% more damage depending on which ammo you use. Overall it comes out to like 50-60% more than t1 damage because of how the bonuses are multiplied.
wierchas noobhunter The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.21 12:03:00 - [24] Originally by: Elliott Manchild My vind setup atm is: 7x Electron Blaster Cannon II 1x cloak of some sort I can't remeber which it is. 1x Gist X-Type 100MN MicroWarpDrive 1x Domination Warp Disruptor 1x Domination Stasis Webifier 1x Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster 1x selynee's Heavy Cap booster 2x Core X-Type large armor rep (use these instead of centus because of the 400 cap instead of 450) 1x Damage Control II 2x Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 2x Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer Rigs 1x EXP res rig 2x Armor rep amount Signature removed - Please email us to find out why - Jacques([email protected])
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE The Foundation.	Posted - 2007.03.21 12:37:00 - [25] Originally by: smallgreenblur maelstrom > macharial 1040 dps ftw sgb you can get even more than that with Ogres II T2 ammo and 4 gyro (1200 if I remember correctly). But machariel unboubtly has its advantages ( MUCH MUCH better speed and the possibility of fielding funny stuff in mids. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
smallgreenblur Minmatar Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2007.03.21 12:46:00 - [26] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: smallgreenblur maelstrom > macharial 1040 dps ftw sgb you can get even more than that with Ogres II T2 ammo and 4 gyro (1200 if I remember correctly). But machariel unboubtly has its advantages ( MUCH MUCH better speed and the possibility of fielding funny stuff in mids. Hail got nerfed a few months back when all T2 ammo was balanced. Max dps with all t2, 4 gyros and no drones is 945, plus whatever you get from 4 OgreIIs. Personally I favour 3 sentries and a few lights, they may not do the dps of ogre IIs but I don't have to wait for them to fly 20ks every time I swap targets. sgb
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.21 20:44:00 - [27] Oh by the way, if there is a Machariel vs Vindicator fight, i would say a Machariel will win Just pwned both a Vindicator and a Navy Mega with my Machariel on sisi yesterday Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
General Apocalypse Amarr The Merchant Marines Miners With Attitude	Posted - 2007.03.21 23:36:00 - [28] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 21/03/2007 20:50:13 Oh by the way, if there is a Machariel vs Vindicator fight, i would say a Machariel will win I just had some very nice fights on sisi against both a Vindicator and a Navy Mega in my Machariel some few days ago Yarr for Mach . BTW For al those who sustain the Maelstrom I had a some fight fights whit that thing and thb it sucks his 1000 dps coudn't save him from a poor neutron mega Originally by: Verone The day I go Anti-Pirate is the day satan shall be ice skating to work.
General Apocalypse Amarr The Merchant Marines Miners With Attitude	Posted - 2007.03.21 23:37:00 - [29] And Nightmare it's Mach vs the world Originally by: Verone The day I go Anti-Pirate is the day satan shall be ice skating to work.
Benglada Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.21 23:44:00 - [30] whats with the navy mega hate. --------------------------- Originally by: Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends. Sig nerfz0r - maximum allowed siz0r is 24000 bytz0r. - Devil ([email protected]) Sig By Ortos

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