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Jain Za
Jewel Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Jain Za on 21/03/2007 16:08:22
Edited by: Jain Za on 21/03/2007 16:00:53
Some of you will have read the thread Loki Elis starts about what happened to our corporation some months ago :: if not click original thread
We logged on to find a mail from a "hacker" who had broken into an account with the character "Nicodemus Novasun" on it. Now this "hacker" proceded to destroy the hangar arrays at all 3 of our POS's including any ships he had not stolen and about 8 months of fuel.
He also stole all our blueprints that we're not locked down - our blueprints were restricted to a few people - the character in question had been with us since the beginning. On top of this the "hacker" then went into Akkio and announced what he had done and said he wanted to give people bookmarks to the POS locations so other people could go finish them off.
Thanks to alot of hard work and help from friends we managed to get the POS's online, but it was only a temporary fix. It has all but killed the corp with many people leaving or not logging on anymore. We estimate about 17b in lost assets - we we're left with about 800m in the corp wallet and not much else.
As you can imagine we were all pretty crushed by this, but theres more.
When i was out scanning in the system i picked up some haulers & badgers on the scanner in what appeared to be a safespot about 3,000,000 kilometers from one of our POS.
I picked up a hauler, moved some characters who could fly badgers to the system and proceded to move the items back to the POS - i also noticed 3 secure containers that looked like they had been jettisoned. Two of them didnt have a password and were full or missiles from out POS defense and the other was passworded.
I did a quick show info to confirm that these were dropped by Nico's character.
They were not.
Exhibit A
Exhibit B
Now most of you will know that only the portrait of the person who jettisoned the container is show when you click "show info"; we have tested it - believe me. So Operion was there, and jettisoned those cans.
Now i feel i should explain one or two things right about here. Operion is the alt of a character called Selmada, he might be the main now. He and Nico are real life friends. Apparently Nico has left the game altogether or is on "holiday". What seems obvious is that he gave Operion the password to the account - who then proceeded to royally f**k over his corp of 6-7 months pretending to be a hacker.
why? i hear you ask.
Simple, he needed the money for his carrier, skills and fittings.
Exhibit C
He bought the carrier just before he stole all the stuff, and im guessing he didnt fancy earning all the money for the rest of the stuff by ratting like he says he did for the carrier.
So thats the motive and link to the hacked account covered.
Now, amongst the things he stole were alot of blueprints - amongst the originals we had was the scorpion. I believe we researched it to 10 ME - but i cant remember exactly. The point is, Operion would have no need for blueprints and yet...
Exhibit D
Why am i posting this? i dont see any realistic way to get back what he took - CCP wont do anything because a) they dont care b) there too busy c) they encourage this type of thing. We petitioned it but were told to contact them on the hacked account - yea, clever people those gm's.
Its strange when someone youve spoken to many times on TS does something like this - hes
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Daelin Blackleaf
No Joy Corp
Pride - Honor - Duty
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:01:00 -
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Edited by: Daelin Blackleaf on 21/03/2007 16:03:41
Prepare to have your thread nerfed. Post links not images.
That said I feel your pain. Corp thieves are the lowest of the low, they do add a certain spice to the game, but they can also utterly crush a corporation and ruin the game for a number of players. There are not enough security tools in place to stop the higher ups from taking corp property.
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Jain Za
Jewel Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:03:00 -
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Edited by: Jain Za on 21/03/2007 16:01:20
Id hope that the community would make his life a little harder, KOS's and that kind of thing - as i say if someone can fraps taking his carrier down we'll give a reward of 100m.
:: edited to stop ISD ganking the images.
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Wendat Huron
Lupus Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:08:00 -
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Offer a standing bounty on him, 10M for every time he gets killed dead, indefinatelly.
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Benco97
Gallente
Multiverse Corporation
The Core Collective
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:09:00 -
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That's pretty harsh, I hope you guys make it ok.
"MY GOD KEEP THIS AWAY FROM BENCO97!!!!!" - Constantine Arcanum |
Daelin Blackleaf
No Joy Corp
Pride - Honor - Duty
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:09:00 -
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Edited by: Daelin Blackleaf on 21/03/2007 16:06:45
I'm sure there are groups out there who would happily do so for a reward. Try posting in crime and punishment, someone there will likely negotiate a price with you.
[EDIT my spelling sucks today]
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Vicarrah
Minmatar
Minmatar Undergroun Freedom Force
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:10:00 -
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now he's trying to leave the corp and we are checking it every day and just giving him a query role so he cant leave with either character.
this is against the rules and he can petition you for doing it.
if he wants to leave a corp, there is no way you can legally stop him doing it, you just have to followin him with wardecs wherever he goes.
Vicarrah
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Jaymine
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:11:00 -
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Edited by: Jaymine on 21/03/2007 16:12:24
Well, not that I agree with corp theft but, robbing a corp blind is not breaking any rules within EVE. However, you are greifing him by changing his roles everyday and not allowing him to leave the corp, which is a petitionable offense. 
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Jain Za
Jewel Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:13:00 -
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to be honest, i give up with it - he can leave for me - ive said what i needed to say, i dont want him in the corp, we cant move forward with a piece of crap like that floating about.
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Ilea Celentay
Veiled Justice
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:16:00 -
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Nice to see you have found out who the guy really was.
Just goes to show, somepeople will do anything...
You do however have to let him leave the corp; its harrasment if you keep giving him his roles back 
But, as has been said, post in C&P about the nice 100m reward for his carrie and it will be done by someone
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Humpalot
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jaymine
Well, not that I agree with corp theft but, robbing a corp blind is not breaking any rules within EVE.
No but account sharing is against the rules and from the OP it sounds like one of their members shared his account with someone else who robbed the corp blind.
Not sure even in this case if CCP should reimburse due to a hacked account (probably not if your own corp member willingly gave over his PW to a "friend").
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Jaymine
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Humpalot
Originally by: Jaymine
Well, not that I agree with corp theft but, robbing a corp blind is not breaking any rules within EVE.
No but account sharing is against the rules and from the OP it sounds like one of their members shared his account with someone else who robbed the corp blind.
Not sure even in this case if CCP should reimburse due to a hacked account (probably not if your own corp member willingly gave over his PW to a "friend").
True but I see no way to prove that he shared his account, the original owner could have just decided to rob the corp and use this as an excuse, much like "hacker" excuse
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Jain Za
Jewel Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:21:00 -
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Well.
We didnt know that stopping someone leaving was against the rules - and now we do, we will stop. He's officially free to go do the same to someone else, i hope he's familiar with Dante's work.
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Wyehr
Shadow Of The Light
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:28:00 -
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If you are sure about the account sharing and can convince a GM to check, you won't have to worry about seeing him log on ever again.
(Hint, hint)
[ 2007.03.18 18:45:59 ] (notify) Typhoon belonging to Gandolf self-destructs. |
Jain Za
Jewel Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:29:00 -
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Quote:
Saltire > i have a corp member of yours applying to join me, can you give me a reference, he says your vice ceo
Jain Za > yep - sure
Saltire > <url=showinfo:1374//652737351>Operion</url> is the guy, u work much with him?
Jain Za > http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=494774&page=1
Jain Za > unless your taking the **** :)
Saltire > yeah i was, hes a rl mate and i knew about the scam 3 months ago!
Saltire > lol
Jain Za > ahh good for you.
at least i wasnt wrong.
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Jain Za
Jewel Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Wyehr
If you are sure about the account sharing and can convince a GM to check, you won't have to worry about seeing him log on ever again.
(Hint, hint)
if i had even the slightest faith that someone thing would get done, id petition it.
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Saltire
System-Lords
E N I G M A
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:33:00 -
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WELL DONE OPERION!! YOU ROCK, cant believe after our convo at work 3 months ago that you n niko would do it. Bet your glad you took my advice eh, 17 bil!!
look forward to seeing you in corp chat at weekend!
SALTIRE : the most loved, feared and respected pvper and pirate in eve history. |
Jain Za
Jewel Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Saltire
WELL DONE OPERION!! YOU ROCK, cant believe after our convo at work 3 months ago that you n niko would do it. Bet your glad you took my advice eh, 17 bil!!
look forward to seeing you in corp chat at weekend!
ahh thats nice :)
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MaDeX
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:55:00 -
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Best of luck to you guys ;(
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.03.21 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Saltire
WELL DONE OPERION!! YOU ROCK, cant believe after our convo at work 3 months ago that you n niko would do it. Bet your glad you took my advice eh, 17 bil!!
look forward to seeing you in corp chat at weekend!
If CCP finds evidence of account sharing, aren't you going to get bansticked?
I hope so.
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Kevin Grifth
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Posted - 2007.03.21 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Marquis Dean
Originally by: Saltire
WELL DONE OPERION!! YOU ROCK, cant believe after our convo at work 3 months ago that you n niko would do it. Bet your glad you took my advice eh, 17 bil!!
look forward to seeing you in corp chat at weekend!
If CCP finds evidence of account sharing, aren't you going to get bansticked?
I hope so.
I'm not QUITE certain, but I think the guy is joking..... Erm.... I think....
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Operion
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Posted - 2007.03.21 17:06:00 -
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Well, Seems you guys guessed it! But no matter ... Some of you in Jewel didnt desrerve to get the hose, but some of you were screwing other members over and running the corp into the ground before it really took off anyway... You dont promise people things you cant deliver and pay them slave wage for their work. There were plenty of times ore was going at corp prices for 50% of market value and members didnt know the differnece cause they didnt check...
And doing it for the money? Sure, the money helps... But I didnt need it... I had all the money I needed all along... the way Eve is set up, it not only allows for this type of event to occur, but activley encourages it.
17 Bil? oh now that is nowhere near what i got... but then again, I havent sold any of the blueprints... and realisticly... I didnt pop the corp hangers... That wasnt me. I'm guessing thats where all the $$ was... I think I ended up with about 3 bil in assets ... Now kindly let me leave this Corp ... i'm going to drop my roles one more time... if they dont stay gone... that's at least 3 times they have been reinstated... that's griefing and CCP WILL do something about that.
If nothing else, this might teach you to be a little more carefull who you trust.
-Operion
** There is no honor aumungst thieves... only an understanding **
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Raekone
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Posted - 2007.03.21 17:07:00 -
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Sorry for your loss.
On the subject of petitions and CCP undoing corp thefts... I would be royally p'd off if I decided to rip my corp off and CCP stepped in somehow and took it back from me, as it was a consious decision on my part to do so, and not in conflict with current game mechanics in any way - on the contrary, the fact that methods like lockdown and hangar rights exist means that it's perfectly legal to do it no matter how many billion you head off with.
But it stills sucks though, happened to my old corp once so I know exactly how you feel.
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.03.21 17:07:00 -
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Haven't you heard? CCP only bans 6 yr old little girls' accounts.
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.03.21 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kevin Grifth
Originally by: Marquis Dean
Originally by: Saltire
WELL DONE OPERION!! YOU ROCK, cant believe after our convo at work 3 months ago that you n niko would do it. Bet your glad you took my advice eh, 17 bil!!
look forward to seeing you in corp chat at weekend!
If CCP finds evidence of account sharing, aren't you going to get bansticked?
I hope so.
I'm not QUITE certain, but I think the guy is joking..... Erm.... I think....
I was under the impression that this is the guy that was given the account details. I might be wrong.
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Revolution Rising
Minmatar
Venture Research and Resources
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Posted - 2007.03.21 17:10:00 -
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Can you make it so that a bpo can only be removed from the corp locker by starting a job on the bpo ? and then when it goes back into the locker - it is again not removable.
I'm just starting a new corp, we have 4 members, some of which will probably want access. This kind of thing scares hell out of me ;)
Sorry for your loss - I find these kinds of people really despicable, but it is a valid move on their part. I would like better tools to deal with it however.
RR.
CEO Venture Research and Resources.
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Fafnir Drake
Gallente
Boob Heads
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Posted - 2007.03.21 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Operion
Well, Seems you guys guessed it! But no matter ... Some of you in Jewel didnt desrerve to get the hose, but some of you were screwing other members over and running the corp into the ground before it really took off anyway... You dont promise people things you cant deliver and pay them slave wage for their work. There were plenty of times ore was going at corp prices for 50% of market value and members didnt know the differnece cause they didnt check...
And doing it for the money? Sure, the money helps... But I didnt need it... I had all the money I needed all along... the way Eve is set up, it not only allows for this type of event to occur, but activley encourages it.
17 Bil? oh now that is nowhere near what i got... but then again, I havent sold any of the blueprints... and realisticly... I didnt pop the corp hangers... That wasnt me. I'm guessing thats where all the $$ was... I think I ended up with about 3 bil in assets ... Now kindly let me leave this Corp ... i'm going to drop my roles one more time... if they dont stay gone... that's at least 3 times they have been reinstated... that's griefing and CCP WILL do something about that.
If nothing else, this might teach you to be a little more carefull who you trust.
-Operion
** There is no honor aumungst thieves... only an understanding **
Stuff the 'holier than thou" bull. Let me see if I get you logic:
"Some corp mates are imo being screwed over. Hm, I think I'll screw the entire corp, including the innocents. But of COURSE it was all a noble plan to teach them valuble morals."
Stow it. Personally I hope CPP looks at this very closely. People like you are the type I will go out of my way to give an ulcer.
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jam6549
Amarr
Iron Hammer Academy
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Posted - 2007.03.21 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Saltire
WELL DONE OPERION!! YOU ROCK, cant believe after our convo at work 3 months ago that you n niko would do it. Bet your glad you took my advice eh, 17 bil!!
look forward to seeing you in corp chat at weekend!
noob 
sorry for ur loss guys. makes u love the game, don't it?
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.03.21 17:25:00 -
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I really dislike when people destroy the work of many people and months in such a shaby way.
Now you should hire mercs so that they kill his carrier, shouldn't be too hard to find some capable people for that.
Either your corp gets destroyed by this incident or it will move closer together to archieve bigger goals. It often happened that the best groups were forged together in the fire of turmoil and at the brink of destruction - if you survive you will have a good future.
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Dark Flare
Caldari
Corpus PCG
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Posted - 2007.03.21 17:36:00 -
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Hope you get back on your feet Jewel Enterprises.
Makes you wonder about the sort of person he is in RL if he's willing to screw over so many people's work.
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